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It was closest thing to TOS in terms of raw basedness.
It was superior to TOS in many respects. Especially when it comes to horniness.
>a man and his dog
>half-naked women
Basedest Trek ever.
It's pathetic that all NuTrek are M-rated and they don't have the balls to do something like that.
>Magnify, Mr. Sulu.
sniff
Her fake breasts are actually decent compared to most.
How did they get away with it?
hhnnnggg
Does the Enterprise have such hard water that the shower heads start getting chalky?
Tripp is the best character in Trek. Based 22nd century Florida man.
I didn't know that the Teletubbies were on ENT...
I sort of wish they did more weird stuff like that in Enterprise. Also, that clip is very Farscape-esque.
>Also, that clip is very Farscape-esque.
Yep. That scene did feel somewhat Australian.
I like T’Pol’s fake booba.
I like Porthos.
>le heckin pupper
ENT was the first NuTrek.
Didn't Data sing a song to a cat?
Cats are based. Dogs are Reddit-tier.
dammit Lovecraft you're supposed to be dead.
Say his name.
I’ve never understood this cat vs dog, can’t a guy like both?
I have two dogs, my kids have two cats. I like them both. All of them think sleeping on the bed with me is the best shit in the world for some reason. The dogs go ape shit when I get a shotgun out cause that means innawoods hunting time, cats love that fricking laser pointer the hexagon window in the kitchen with lots of sun.
Pets are great, anyone who doesn't like animals is immediately sus
You're alright, Anon.
probably the most based post on the board right now
>Data sing a song to a cat
“Felis Catus” is your taxonomic nomenclature:
An endothermic quadruped, carnivorous by nature.
Your visual, olfactory, and auditory senses
Contribute to your hunting skills and natural defenses.
I find myself intrigued by your subvocal oscillations,
A singular development of cat communications
That obviates your basic hedonistic predilection
For rhythmic stroking of your fur to demonstrate affection.
A tail is quite essential for your acrobatic talents:
You would not be so agile if you lacked its counterbalance;
And when not being utilized to aid in locomotion,
It often serves to illustrate the state of your emotion.
Oh Spot, the complex levels of behavior you display,
Connote a fairly well-developed cognitive array;
And though you are not sentient, Spot, and do not comprehend,
I nonetheless consider you a true and valued friend.
Toaster poetry.
>And though you are not sentient, Spot
But Spot was sentient, she just wouldn't be considered sapient.
DS9 was the first NuTrek.
It was always TNG. TNG is actually the worst Trek and the movies prove it.
the movies were shit because stewart kept thinking he was supposed to be an action hero.
Patrick Stewart is a terrible actor and the only reason he got a pass was his diction.
>its another porthos eats cheese joke
Post it.
Is there proof they were fake?
Vulcan breasts are naturally perky.
vulcan boob muscles and tendons are used to a much higher gravity than us earthlings. would make sense vulcan boobs are perkier in just 1G
you could easily crack a fricking egg on those things
in a TOS uniform they were heaven though
Yes.
agree
>Was it really as bad as they say?
no, it was kino
I liked it as a kid, but I'd only ever seen Voyager.
VOY is great and I’m tired of pretending otherwise.
>first female captain
>is a psycho
Explain.
It’s kino (and also realistic)
>first female captain
>is a psycho
Is that a bad thing?
Not at all.
Is this the /trek/ thread? Cartroon editions should be illegal.
Pretty much yes. troony janny deleted a thread with more posts and posters.
Damning.
No, take that lefty troony shitshow elsewhere. This is a thread about Enterprise.
Has some of the best one off's in ST. Carbon Creek is kino af.
Deserved seven seasons.
It’s a crime it got cancelled just when it started to get good.
Yes.
only if you don't have faith of the heart
>thinly veiled 9/11 metaphor
Star Trek was always political.
nah. Discussing philosophy and ethics is not political unlessw you make it so.
Particularly, ST was never woke
>ST was never woke
b-b-but there was a brief, non-sexual interracial kiss once in the 1960's! That means you have to accept every other character is gay and everybody has early 21st century progressive political views that definitely will never go out of style
Posting in this thread while holding my kitten.
Comfy.
No. But I remember autists hating everything about it, there was one argument on the imdb forums about how baseball caps should be considered archaic by the 2150's.
The NASA-esque aesthetic is what makes it great.
Archer should have fricked T'Pol
Mmm, Vulcan hatefricking
it's a goddamn masterpiece compared to the slop that Star Trek is now. When it came out it was seen as just okay and became pretty good as it went along.
It's cancellation was tragic.
it probably ended at the right time. Not sure what else they could have done story-wise and the ratings tanked by the last season
The ratings were pretty consistent, just low. Then when viacom got split up, no one wanted to try to figure out who got production rights, as doing so would’ve been pointless anyway, as a show changing networks/timeslots always takes a sizable ratings hit.
It's unironically the 2nd best Trek behind DS9, it's not even close.
No, it was worse.
Cringe, dude. Delete your post.
TNG > DS9 > TOS > Enterprise > Voyager
I don't consider the other shows canon
What other shows?
TOS > TNG > DS9
I'll watch Voyager and Enterprise someday.
>/trek/ has another homosexual cartoon OP
cringe
Tell me about it.
That’s what you get for letting /trek/ die. They’re sneaky hyenas.
The sad thing is the cartoon is the first watchable Trek property since OP
I refuse to watch
I don't blame you but the most recent episode brought back some of the DS9 cast and it's just entirely in good humour, joking like an insider rather than attacking and mocking nerds. It has a warm feeling.
don't care, still not watching
Why do you, the nutrek shill, never seem to understand that there’s more to Star Trek than “h-hey remember th-this??”
I don't post in /trek/, it became a cesspit years ago. I watch an episode of old Trek every night so I'm never out of touch with what Star Trek is. It's obviously not DS9 or anything but it's fun and the characters are good and develop. It's a comedy, were you expecting Citizen Kane?
methinks the “lady” doth protest too much
>It's a comedy, were you expecting Citizen Kane?
he was probably expecting Star Trek
From a cartoon comedy? That's pretty moronic.
>shows has been labelled Star Trek
>b-but it's a cartoon!!
I'm glad you get it
You’re defending a shitty cartoon that betrays its branding.
>LD troon out of its containment general
filtered
Except it's not watchable and it's not Star Trek
>that poster count
They have no shame
>16 posters (me included)
>100 posters
Truly shameless.
What do we have here?
Enjoy being banned for false reports, this isn't a /general/ and cartoon posts don't belong on Cinemaphile they belong on Wrong board. Keep staying mad that this thread is more popular than your troon general.
troony janny deleted a non-troon thread even though it had more posters and posts. It’s ogre
>Enjoy being banned for false reports
You have to go back.
I was here before you newbie, mods ban you if you false report.
You have to go back.
You have to go back, I've been here since 2008 and I know what I'm talking about. Just because you haven't experienced getting banned for false reports, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
You have to go back.
Bot, filtered.
You have to go back.
>dude I’ve been here SO LONG man, but I for some reason don’t know that Cinemaphile moderation is random, inept, and meaningless
it really is true. you never stop being a newbie.
No shit the moderation is random and inept, but if you've been here long enough you will eventually get banned for something you usually don't get banned for. I was talking to someone who said it's never happened to them, or maybe you didn't know that because you're fricking moronic.
the main takeaway is you really just shouldn't care what the mods do, at all, beyond making fun of them of course. though the other newbie is likely lying about never being banned.
>already down to meta posts and crying about what Star Trek is not
You're not here to post about Enterprise at all...
I'm mad my boy Porthos never got a love interest.
Beagles have only one passion in life: food
Cheese.
and barking for more cheese
And sleeping.
And dreaming about cheese.
Seeing archer going fresh faced and optimistic into the unknown but slowly losing his sanity over the seasons as the setbacks and crazy dangers mount up was the highlight for me. The man can't catch a break.
Also he had way better chemistry with tpol than the lieutenant although i can kinda understand why they ultimately didn' develop that further
>i can kinda understand why they ultimately didn' develop that further
Black the first episode establishes that they’re partially mindmelded, so plastic b***h going for another guy is low key establishment that archer is gay.
TOS was written by men who had served in actual combat and an actor who could actually act the role of a competent leader
ENT was the network trying to crawl back to those TOS days, so while Archer had chemistry with T'Pol, no commander worth the rank would ever frick someone under his command. That is a major nono. And Archer did it well, he made his calls decisively and could adapt when he made a bad call or things went sideways on him, just like Kirk.
I know this will be heresy here, but TNG... I did not like Picard. Too wishy-washy, too much a diplomat, and the constant fricking speeches on WHO WE ARE became formulaic. Troi was emblematic of this watered-down crap, unless Roddenberry was being a sly devil and showing how complacent the Federation had become, thinking itself safe from all threats.
I would have loved to have seen a Riker in command show, but seeing how he cucked out with the nutrek shit, I think we dodged a bullet.
I liked DS9, even tho most don't consider it trek, it shows how hard being in command is, how you will make judgment calls that will question your ethics because victory in war is all that counts when facing an enemy that considers your defeat to be your death. Plus, someone on the writing staff understood spook shit (intel stuff) well with the Cardassian/Garak stories. In DS9's favor, it did a great job of shoving the utopianist's faces into a pile of shit, and torturing an Irishman, which is always great.
Roddenberry was still alive when TNG was airing so his influence had Picard constantly giving lofty speeches since that was Roddenberry's thing. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but it does get a bit formulaic and at times left the audience with zero debate over whether the proper thing was done because, well, Picard explained the moral of the story. TOS was like that, as well. It wasn't until he died that Star Trek could become less about ideals and more about how people with wildly different personalities react to dilemmas.
>I would have loved to have seen a Riker
In watching TNG again, I've learned to hate Riker. His command authority is just him speaking loudly and gruffly, sometimes cutting his own captain off, just to put himself out there. He had no actual ideas of his own, and yelled at the junior officers he depended on. Beyond that, his only other real character arc was hitting on anything female, and fricking up with Troi. I think he was just a bad officer who worked his way up through knowing the right people, and knew how to put on a good show.
Riker just ends up existing to be the Watson. A character that is there to ask questions so the audience can have something explained to them. When you think about it Riker comes across as unsuited for the position with the amount of questions he ends up asking. You get people making comparisons to Riker with Kirk but, that only works if you take a particular pop culture caricature of Kirk that is not truly reflective of Kirk.
>asking questions means you're unfit for command
oof
The amount and type of questions Riker asks makes him come across as moronic in the setting.
when there isn't someone to ask the obvious questions, people forget the obvious.
Riker isn't there to be a yes-man to Picard and Picard doesn't want that, either. Riker asks questions from a different perspective that Picard might not have considered. It's called dialogue.
Riker was there to make Picard feel good about his decisions. Troi was there to keep Picard in one piece, and keep Riker in line.
We are talking about Riker challenging Picard. We are talking about Riker asking questions, be that to La Forge or Data or whoever, for things he does not know about. For example, when they come across a Dyson Sphere: Riker does not know the concept and so Picard has to explain it to him, all that is done for the benefit of the audience.
>We are talking about Riker challenging Picard.
*We are not
>Riker isn't there to be a yes-man to Picard
Too bad Chakotay was exactly this to Janeway 99% of the time, fricking irritating.
There were multiple times Chakotay argued with Janeway, there was even a time she confined him to quarters.
The only time he stuck out is in Equinox and Scorpion.
Janeway was a shit captain. Chakotay never told her to gfh enough. And without a starfleet around, being confined to quarters shouldn't have been enforced.
>A character that is there to ask questions
He asked questions because it was beyond his ability to understand anything, and he had to look like he understood everything. He even promoted LCDR Shelby instead of Worf and Data, both of whom knew more than him, and saved his ass on multiple occasions. That episode was proof of how bad management gets promoted... which is also how Riker got promoted.
A lot of people argue that they should never have done a prequel, yet really a Star Trek prequel made sense at that point when you consider:
>TNG
About 2 decades have gone by since TOS and you want to bring Star Trek back. You are doing stuff with the TOS characters in film and so you avoid that era. Perhaps more than that, you also want to introduce new aesthetics, in-universe technology and factions. So the obvious solution is to jump forward, say 100-something years, with a sequel.
>DS9
You have been told to do another show. At this point you have already done 2 shows based on starships - 1 still having films and 1 still airing. With this in mind you shakeup the formula by setting it on a spacestation - it is the frontier exploration of TOS but on a frontier town.
>VOY
You are in a similar situation back when coming up with DS9. You have already had 2 spaceship shows, and by this point you have already done the shakeup of a spacestation idea. In addition to that, any show set in the TNG/DS9 era has to deal with 1) the Alpha/Beta Quadrants arguably becoming tiring, 2) DS9 ties your hands with its geopolitical storyline. To avoid this (and to avoid any issues that could come from jumping forward 20 to 100 years in respect to other projects) set the show in a different part of the galaxy, make the story not so much an exploration but an odyssey.
>ENT
From a creative standpoint there is not necessarily a lack of ideas but rather your hands are tied when dealing with the TNG/DS9/VOY era and beyond. Firstly, you have similar issues as pointed out in VOY (time period becoming tiring, storyline); secondly; if you jump forward 100 years that may limit what you can do in whatever Riker or Worf or DS9 sequel you may want to do after this project. You have also already shaken things up with the spacestation idea, and the different part of the galaxy idea. So if you cannot stay in the same era and you cannot jump forward where does that leave you? Prequel.
The biggest problem with enterprise is how they baked in massive amounts of invulnerable plot armor. First by making it a prequel, then naming the ship “enterprise” (which wasn’t even a name of reverence in TOS), then by establishing they have time travelers cleaning up all their whoopsies.
They could’ve made a show about how hard it was to get the federation off the ground, by having humans make hard, self-sacrificing decisions, that establish they will go above and beyond for even potential allies (read: multiple “maiden voyages” that end in disaster, but also establish humanity’s worth on the interstellar scale) but instead they decided to just remake TNG episodes.
Enterprise was generally disliked for a lot of its run because it was seen as more of the same with the only noticeable difference being the characters are horny all the time. A show about the beginning of the Federation would have been interesting, but it also would have required really sticking to the lore, which writers hate doing.
There wasn’t much lore about early federation. Which should’ve given them some freedom. Instead they just cut off their legs in desperate attempt to appeal to trekkies.
the Enterprise crew feels the most like me and my personality, it was written in the 2000s and you can tell. None of the characters use the pseudo-lofty dialogue in the TNG era and they all kinda just sound like regular guys
Are you a boomer?
no I'm 22
Leave this place while you still can.
>the enterprise crew feels more like a bunch of morons, like me
Yes, most people saw what they were going for there
r00d
Name a trait.
Nondescript.
skipped this gays episode the other day. he should've been killed off and replaced with someone that doesn't suck
>muh freighters
he was clearly left over from early brainstorming about how rickety and wonky the nx-01 was going to be.
and then they just made it a slight remix of the galaxy class and called it a day, and forgot to retool his character.
of course they were targeting bush voters, who felt black people should be seen (as little as possible) and not heart.
If they were going to do anything they should have developed Malcolm and Hoshi more. They both had somewhat of characterisation but, they never fully developed them. Better they worked on developing partially developed characters as opposed to just making another partially developed. In the case of Reed they should have developed his friendship with Trip, and/or had episodes (even if just the B plot) that were focused around him and Hoshi.
>they never fully developed them.
the episode where they tried to develop hoshi was quite possibly the worst episode of enterprise, short of the holodeck one. so its not surprising they didn't try to do that again.
i think they developed them fine. hoshi didnt belong in space and reeds sense of duty kept him from getting the family he desperately wanted.
the problem was they stretched storylines too far and people got bored. they should have been done with the xindi in season 3 and moved on to founding the federation and setting up TOS
>astronaut/xenolinguist doesn't belong in space
literally the dumbest shit ever written.
she belongs in san fransisco studying all the data they collect. she sucks at space shit. she gets depressed about a slug dying and has a complete breakdown when she sees some dead aliens.
Sounds like she had the same fricked up trauma that Picard did, but no Troi to help her.
she just doesnt belong in space. shes only there because archer was in a rush to leave and needed a linguist he was familiar with.
>sweet spot
>boomer
>climbing
>not pinkskin
I miss old Star Trek.
he better outlive Takei, for fricks sake.
Frick that's sad.
He outlived his queen.
It's been a long road gettin' from there to here
Whilst Star Trek fatigue and creative decisions of the show itself most likely did contribute to its lack of success, a big reason why the show struggled in viewership was its airing on UPN. Poor scheduling and lack of promotion by UPN, and the wider lack of reach UPN had as a broadcaster.
>[franchise] fatigue
Not a real concept. Seated in the idea that it’s impossible to have made something bad, it’s the audience’s fault, in fact, they’re just tired of how good everything is!
The reality is voyager sucked, ds9’s ending sucked (and was generally built around the idea the federation had to actually suck, as the writers couldn’t figure out any other way to write it), and given the chance to make Star Trek, but actually gritty/scrappy, they chose to just rehash tng/ds9/voy scripts, except all the characters are morons under the command of Scott bakula doing his best dubya impersonation.
A house divided against itself cannot stand.
its why people who hate star trek can't make successful star trek shows.
/trek/ hivemind strikes again.
That doll that they used for Porthos was terrible.
It’s fine.
I seen it in person a few years ago it's rough. I also seen the grand nagus's staff and it's badly chipped after years.
Tell us stories, anon.
Thinking now, 2012 is more than a few years, it's been a decade. I was at that big convention in London in 2012, all the Captains were present, they had a load of other actors too. Met a lot of them. There was also a big display of props from the show and uniforms.
>Memorable moments that I had include:
>Chatting with Casey Biggs who was really cool and totally unrepentant about Damar. He signed my autograph with "For Cardassia"
>Chatting with Mark Alaimo and us both stopping to admire a Seven of Nine Cosplayer who was fine.
>Annoying an already exasperated Andrew Robinson with talk about his role in Stallone's Cobra, who humored me and had a laugh to himself about a sperg who could have asked anything but instead asks about a dumb Stallone movie.
>Briefly getting a single sentence out of John Delancie who is traumatized by a constant flow of autistic bronies and looks deeply uncomfortable with each encounter.
>Witnessing Shatner walk about like he owns the whole convention.
>See Cirroc Lofton ignore the conventions money making scheme and go around taking free photos with attendees and just casually shooting the shit with them.
>See JG Hertzler walk past me and see how fricking massive he is.
>Have Avery Brookes straiten up my hoodie for the photo shoot so I look good, his photo was the best and he seemed genuinely happy to be there. Later he took to a piano and started playing jazz or something.
It was a great weekend.
>Chatting with Casey Biggs who was really cool and totally unrepentant about Damar. He signed my autograph with "For Cardassia"
Holy based.
I don't get the hate for that episode.
>Meeting new civilisation
>Different and clashing beliefs between that civilisation and Starfleet - i.e. how the aliens don't bother to check the genetic profile of Porthos (and how this makes Archer angry); and how the aliens are angry that Porthos urinated on one of their trees (and how Archer does not see the big deal).
>Despite his anger Archer rises above it by the end, and does the bullshit ceremony in order to respect their culture and keep good relations.
Don't get me wrong, not the greatest episode of Star Trek or even Enterprise, but, at its core it has the tenets of what makes Star Trek Stark Trek.
It was awful and the ship was absolutely hideous.
I've been banned (3 days) multiple times for it.
Haha! Sucker!
It'll happen to you one day.
Oh, I don’t think so.
Oh, but it will, anon, it will
And in your smug hubris, you will be unable to even cope with it. Why I expect you will unplug your router for 1 minute all to come back and post janny clean it up postings, never realizing that if you had simply not false reported for so long the situation and your overreaction would have been avoided?
But what do I know, I am but a simple tailor.
No. The Xindi arc was kino.
no people the marketing people were stupid and said it was going to be something new and groundbreaking but it was just more star trek which disappointed people somehow
this was when /trek/ died for me
i thought the concept of a more astronaut pioneer time startrek would have been good but it turned out to just be unused voyager scripts and stupid stuff like "aksually picard didn't meet the borg or the ferengi first, archer did!"
also had plenty of boring as dirt characters like trip, malcolm, travis..
prequal anything is a mistake
Maybe we’re better off without /trek/.
ENT was okay but they needed to wrap up the time travel shit earlier
I didn't like the time travel plot but the xindi arc was good
i didnt like the time travel stuff either until i rewatched first contact. the star trek universe needed a timeline cleansing and ENT did exactly that.
The Xindi arc was the Year of Hell from Voyager done decent.
year of hell had such potential
My dad's favourite, I think it was a great loss to cancel it, I can't believe that this million dollar lasershow that is STD gets multiple seasons and even Picard gets 3 but this one which probably had in a season the budget of two episodes of those, gets cancelled.
To end with a botched TNG episode, killing Trip and having T'Misc act as undecisive b***h (frick who wrote that).
Wonder why that never got more than 2 episodes, maybe they were afraid that because of the timetravel involved it would look like too much committment for something that gets erased?
>having T'Misc act as undecisive b***h
wdym? don't remember that, but I try to forget that episode
after everything they go through, they have sex and she is like "oh I just wanted to see what it was like with a human is not like I love you" (in a nutshell).
Why?
I didn't watch the whole second season and the third season, not sure if I should, I liked the idea of a light hearted optimistic crew that could find the fun in the TNG routine, but it feels they only tried that at the beginning and that Seth pushed his most famous friends in just for the first seasons.
>Wonder why that never got more than 2 episodes, maybe they were afraid that because of the timetravel involved it would look like too much committment for something that gets erased?
Voyager should have been the idea year of hell from the outset. Despite being far away from home in completely unexplored, and often hostile territory, Voyager has the same sort of cruise ship feel TNG had. For all intents and purposes Voyager basically resets each episode. Any problems, damage, loss etc. quickly forgotten. Perhaps it makes it comfy for the audience but, it is such a wasted potential for the odyssey premise.
it would have been difficult to stretch the red/chakotay part. but i think it would have been cool if things just kept getting worse all season and the ended with the year of hell story to reset for next season. kind of a waste to put it in the middle.
Xindi Arc was kino with probably my favourite Star Trek character barring Dukat, Degra. It’s a shame he croaks but he had a nice arc before that point.
It also stretched Archer to the limit and I think that was evident in Damage. I like how it collides with T’Pol’s own demons in that one beautiful scene when she confronts him, spergs out and Archer shows genuine concern for her, demonstrating how far they’d come.
Frick I love ENT S3.
No. It was pretty good overall.
This is actually earned unlike every Picard's blowing shit up in the movies they do....every movie.
Not like you can do it now, can't have monster of the week stuff, gotta have universe ending threats at every moment and short seasons and written by people who hate Star trek
orville viewership was solid despite seth mcfarlane being quite possibly the worst leading man ever. imagine if they didn't hobble the show with a literal charisma vacuum and didn't need to have an inconsistent tone for fear of being slapped with copyright infringement.
Quo vadis, /trek/?
This is the secret "Actually discuss trek" thread.
It wasted both its good premises, the temporal cold war could have been interesting if time travel was actually a focus of the show and exploring the alpha quadrant pre-federation was interesting and added context for TOS. Like why everyone distrusts Vulcans and why humans were important in forming the Federation.
Instead the time travel stuff didnt have any well established rules and was just waved around whenever the show needed a shadowy threat like twice a season. Imagine time travel to other trek eras and points in history, trying to keep the time line in order and also balancing interests, espinoage and politicing in ENT, could have been good.
>why everyone distrusts Vulcans
they almost got there with
>guys we're not spying on you its a monastery spying is illogical and we're super logical so of course we're not spying on you, also lying is illogical so you can totally tr- uh, archer, what are you doing that's illogical
but then, ya know, kinda forgot about having decent writing. also humans important because they'll always call bullshit, even when its from their greatest allies.
you can't study language without having conversations.
>Like why everyone distrusts Vulcans
I wish they would've played this up more. That's why the Federation had a hard time getting up and going. Hell, the "cooperation" on Earth could easily be blamed on them.
When it came out I was disappointed we got a prequel. I was really interested in better and newer ship designs. I didn't like the show for years. Now I do like it though.
'no'
could bang the hot af Vulcan, doesn't because he won't compromise his command authority
willing to go to war with aliens over them disrespecting his dog
a best friend who wore a cowboy hat and bangs Vulcan for him
still gets to have sexy bath time with both Vulcan, the Asian chick, and his best friend, because why not?
Outfoxes Andorian's secret agent, becomes best friends with him, go on operations together
Single handily forms the Federation, then leaves never explains why
Was Archer the Chad Captain all along? You goddamn well know he was
Gigachad is real and his name is Jonathan Archer.
Picard is English, its why he always quotes Shakespeare
>never watched TNG
It and TNG are my two fav treks, sooooooo no
No.
had the hots for this one
Same, she has been the only actress to spark yellow fever in me. I would have bred an entire peninsula of HAPAs with her.
Same here. I really wish they gave her more attention on the show
what's that scar on her
She's underrated for sure. The amount of pressure she was under as the sole language expert pre-universal translator is admirable.
The decontamination chamber is my favorite part of Enterprise. It's so obviously sex sells I love it. Like today SJWs wouldn't allow this shit to air.
I liked that it showed how dangerous and experimental space travel was for the early ships. Things like atmospheric contamination and the hull plating developments in the delphic expanse come to mind.
>married a white guy
every time
Whether from the East or the land of the free
Every Asian woman wants the BWC
Enterprise was doomed to fail for several reasons:
1. Trek fatigue: Star Trek Next Gen, with then simultaneous Deep Space Nine, with then simultaneous Voyager
2. Scott Bakula was still too recognized from Quantum Leap, making him at that time a bad casting choice.
3. Fans were immediately resistant to anything different that came too close to rewriting Trek history or tradition. (The show came straight out of the gate with a folk opening theme and red Klingon blood.)
Now that enough time has passed, and now that the new shows have shamelessly fricked with canon and changed a lot of shit, people are much more receptive to Enterprise, and discovering that it was a very good show. I think if Paramount had simply given the franchise a cool-off period and then released Enterprise, it would have lasted more than four seasons and there wouldn’t have been such a long wait for the newer (albeit terribly disappointing) shows.
>Now that enough time has passed, and now that the new shows have shamelessly fricked with canon and changed a lot of shit, people are much more receptive to Enterprise, and discovering that it was a very good show. I think if Paramount had simply given the franchise a cool-off period and then released Enterprise, it would have lasted more than four seasons and there wouldn’t have been such a long wait for the newer (albeit terribly disappointing) shows.
If you want to improve Enterprises chances of getting more than 4 seasons you need it to be on a different network to UPN. UPN did not have great reach and poorly scheduled Enterprise. On top of that you had the CBS and Time Warner merger that killed UPN (and with it Enterprise).
Oh, man. I had forgotten all about that. Yeah, none of that helped, AT ALL.
none of that should have mattered. they should have known that 3 more seasons of ENT would pay for itself quickly enough. nobody is rewatching any of the UPN CW garbage that followed ENT.
No show has ever survived a network switch.
Rumor has it that SciFi wanted to take on ENT, it would have had a lower budget, though. They had recently picked up Stargate SG-1 which had five seasons on Showtime, and then five more on SciFi, which proves that some shows can indeed survive a network change.
going from premium to basic is workable, somewhat, as basic automatically has more viewers. going from UPN to basic cable would've been lateral, audiencewise, and still lost most of the audience, even more if there was clearly a budget cut.
hell, most people saw the massive budgetary difference between the stargate movie and series and automatically (and correctly) dismissed it as complete garbage
Stargate the show was 100x better than the movie. Stay mad, Emmerich.
bruh sg-1 was star trek for morons
No
american idol
last man standing
futurama
scrubs
it happens all the time. usually around the time ENT ended, 4-5 seasons then 2-3 somewhere else.
bruh you listed reality tv and three sitcoms. one that was animated and during fox's "we hate good shows" period.
Brooklyn 99
Buffy the vampire slayer
JAG
>sitcom
>upn = wb
>shoestring budget procedural
the only one you listed that didn't take a ratings hit was futurama, because fox was intentionally fricking up its ratings, and none of the ones you listed were barely holding onto a million viewers, the way enterprise was.
if UPN=CW ENT doesnt change networks
>nobody is rewatching any of the UPN CW garbage that followed ENT.
That is hindsight. Besides, even without the merger you still need UPN to be better in its secluding and promotion of the the show. There is also apparently something about a UPN network executive that had it out for Enterprise since S1.
its not hindsight. there are multiple trek cons every year around the world. anything they produce will be profitable in the long run. it was dumb not to give it 7 seasons and tell the full story the set out to.
until nutrek, most trekkies generally agreed that enterprise was, at best, boring.
ent is still on cable today. thats not at all surprising and thats why they should have done 7 seasons. it doesnt matter if it wasnt appreciated or profitable at the time, it was always going to be profitable years later.
>ent is cheap programming
wow i'm shocked
>it was always going to be profitable years later.
Network executives don't think in those timeframes. They won't be in the job 10 to 20 years later, having retired or moved elsewhere. They need results now.
Enterprise was already decreasing in viewership numbers - it was most likely going to be a downward trend if UPN remained or if it went to a new home. A big part of the reason it even got a fourth season was to try and reach 100 episodes (the number desired for syndication). If you want Enterprise to get seven seasons you need to have it handled better from the outset, either by UPN itself or on a different network.
>Trek fatigue
see
Should Cardies have tails?
Who says they don’t? Have we ever seen more of them than from the neck up? They could have tiny vestigial tails they keep tucked. I imagine this would be a closely-guarded, shameful secret.
Never reply to tripgays.
first and second season sucked
i really liked the xindy 3rd season and 4th was pretty good as well
and compared to kurtzman's trek its a fricking masterpiece
first and second seasons have some gems in them (Carbon Creek) but yeah they're mixed quailty overall
I like ENT more than TOS and VOY. Fight me.
would another 3 seasons of Enterprise (ignoring These Are The Voyages) work nowadays? Just fast forward 20 years or so and Archer can be president/admiral
Kurtzman has to STAY AWAY from it though
No. It doesn't matter of Kurtzman is involved or not. All the current crop of tv writers have monkeypox. All of them. There's no way to write an acceptable Star Trek show today. Wait another 50 years maybe.
Was it the writers strike? After that they just started hiring people fresh out of college to replace expierenced writers? I cannot believe the guy who wrote Batman and Robin with the rubber nipples writes Picard.
The Guild Strike saw a lot of seasoned writers fired who would grandfather in the new talents and filter out the hopeless. Now that that’s gone, not only is there the ever-present nepotism problem limiting talent, but also an often unreasonable diversity quota, which not only further limits talent, but also presents an intimidation factor (“if I tell them their idea is bad I might get fired for being sexist/racist”).
See
Star Trek will probably be the first all AI generated series.
but Bakula will be gone in 50 years
I seem to remember for the last season they stopped undressing for the decon chamber and there weren't any more of these scenes.
I cannot say if true but, it is not as if they stopped with fanservice these
I think are from S3 (or maybe 4).
Can I just post Star Trek art made by Japanese people? Is that cool?
Why did they even make Picard French?
>English actor.
>Reserved.
>Tea drinking.
>Fan of Shakespeare & Gilbert and Sullivan.
Picard is the most English Frenchman ever. They may as well just have made him English.
in the Star Trek universe the English won the Hundred Years War
More like the 300 years’ war.
In that case England would probably become more Frenchified than France becoming Anglicised. England in that period was a backwater relative to the stronger France. A big reason why the war lasted as long as it did was due to England being united compared to what was a often disunified France.
What am I looking at?
Gen X trekkers thought the theme song was about religion and wrote off the whole show, but watching it again as a clear headed adult made me realize it's pretty good, except for the time travel shit.
>Gen X trekkers thought the theme song was about religion
true actually
but back then the heretical US evangelicals were almost on par with the current troony degeneracy, regarding the levels of meming and annoyance
false, we correctly surmised the theme song was nucountry, and never listened to it past the first syllable the vocalist drawls out.
it's the best star trek show, not even meming
just watched the risa episode where the two clowns are troony spotting at the bar. kinda based ngl. when we get bioscanners for real....hehehe
Can we get a real /trek/ thread next?
The general is up.
No, as mods are actively policing /trek/ to protect nutrek shilling
Hahahahahaha
Get rekd
sure, if you ignore the middle part of that transition. not sure why anyone would, other than crippling mental moronation of course.
>tripgay is tired of being targeted
>doesn't just drop the trip
tripgay logic
It’s called integrity, dumb b***h.
>i have integrity!
>i drop my trip when it suits me though
lol, tripgays
I've been getting banned a lot so I have been dropping my trip. I get banned less when I'm Anon.
bump