Episode 1
>Underdog
>considered to have a weak fruit
>finds interesting way to beat his enemies
Now
>the weak fruit is actually really strong
>can bend reality around him at will
>literal god powers
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Episode 1. >Underdog. >considered to have a weak fruit. >finds interesting way to beat his enemies. Now
Who cares, there will be a reboot anyway
cant fricking wait for this !
nothing was original about how he beat Ener
>muh I'm made of rubber so I'm the only guy who can defeat you
Not really a reboot. Just better writing since they don't have insert fillers.
It's kind of annoying they're rebooting the parts everyone already likes instead of just making better versions of the more polarizing arcs.
interesting ways to beat opponents stopped after Enel, the game plan after that was just hit person really hard.
the last good "creative solution" was crocodile. enel was a flat shonen fight, despite there being no reason for it to be.
>I ring the bell so I win
>aw shit I gotta go to the moon now
Skypeia was a massive waste of time.
ADVENTURE
and getting the money to repair their ship after fricking up to get to aforementioned adventure
That's all anime heros. Taking mediocre abilities and lack of fundamentals and then being creative and using street smarts to win. Notice how Luffy NEVER trains?
>being creative
Are we talking about the same One Piece here? The most creative Luffy has ever gotten is getting Crocodile's sand wet, which was like 800 chapters ago.
Well I was using that term loosely. Luffy relies A LOT on just being resilient and not giving up. Kind of like Gohan
He trains by jobbing to his opponents 2-3 times before beating them
The Saiyan race and its consequences on Japanese society.
I hate you never see him training tbh.
You got like 1/4 of Wano being a training arc
to have a weak fruit
Stupid meme. The fruit gave him invulnerability to blunt attacks. He was unchallenged for all of pre-time skip until he fought Crocodile. Defeated Enel. Develops Gears 2 and 3 in one train ride.
interesting way to beat his enemies
The one time he soaked his hand with water to hit Crocodile?
to have a weak fruit
>Stupid meme.
I think OP just means it's not a Logia type fruit, but I agree. He's literally invulnerable to all forms of conventional weaponry.
he's only invulnerable to ball based weapons.
>He's literally invulnerable to all forms of conventional weaponry.
He's weak to swords.
>day 1
Op is a fetus living inside his mum's belly
>now
Op is a puss still living in his mum's flat
Consistency is the key
It ended at Water Seven. Time skip is just peak of Soul being stripped away into nothing.
Thriller Bark is the great plebfilter
imagine the fricking smell of her rank ghost vageene
first of all, the manga was supposed to be short, then it got picked up and he started to make a lot of money, then he realized if he kept doing it and stretched it out, he could make even more money. So this is where we are. At least he foreshadowed this well before the timeskip. The schizo OP theorists are probably right about Oda turning this into his favorite anime, The Lost City of Gold
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I've heard he likes Lupins the 3rd and I can see a lot of stuff from Lupin in One Piece
But really OP probably takes inspiration from a hundred different anime/manga
he was really young when he wrote it so he was basically just aping the shit he liked. There's nothing wrong with it and I would imagine he probably won't do "Atlantis is le One Piece" and frick off into the night. Although it is possible that the world used to be "One Piece" and he really is just going to pull that out of his ass. but he's gonna do it in style. Aside from the absurdly drawn out arcs and DBZ leveling up, I love the characters and the adventures, I just wish there was more of that and less of punchy man saving the day with his punchy powers for 800/1200 episodes.
It's funny that Lupin the 3rd comes from "Monkey Punch" but Lupins name is also often translated as Rupan, similar to Luffy/Ruffy
I was watching a Lupin part 1 episode a few months ago and there was a character named Jimbei introduced in an episode, and in that same episode they use the phrase "king of the pirate", though they were referring to vikings
Either way manga artists are very often transparent in citing works that they were inspired by, always talking about shit they like in authors comments..One Piece is such a gigantic series though they it probably has a lot more "homages" than your average manga
>people take inspirations from their favorite works
stop the presses. also, do we really need a one hour long video essay on a mundane topic that could be covered in less then 30 minutes?
first off all, I'm not saying that. Everyone does that, I do that. Secondly, the video I linked just shows the parallels to the Esteben anime, which Oda has said was the one he watched many times growing up and is said to be his favorite. but like the other anon said, there are other parallels to other shows and ideas as well. I think he's at the point that he's good enough to put a twist on the concept. I'm hoping it's not the obvious but even if it is, I don't actually care about the One Piece at all, I like the show for what it is. Dumb fun.
So what is the One PIece?
Hard mode: No friendship, no adventure to get to the one piece
It's a One-Piece worn by the now king of the world. One so ugly and embarrassing they erased all knowledge of it and the only surviving picture of them in it is on Laugh Tale
It's fruit, that erases all other fruits, Attack on Titan mode
It blows up reverse mountain, making the world into "one piece" while also creating the All Blue and freeing Laboon.
No it doesn't. Because that's not funny. Fine theory until "Roger laughed" but now it doesn't hold up. I've got no doubt the Redline will be destroyed but whatever the One Piece is it's clearly a joke
>the final grand treasure just blows up a mountain
>this isn't funny
Humor is subjective
Gol D. Roger's spare underwear
A massive chest filled with gold coins and rare gems.
Was this amount of violence even necessary? Krillen just gets healed 5 minutes later anyway its straight up torture porn
a minute or so before they were scoffing at his form change.
>hah, he's bigger now, that must mean he traded speed for strength!
>skewers qball instantly
yeah, he deserved that.
giddy-up ride'em cowboy yeehaw
>A show that drags it's feet for over 1000 episodes
>Literally DBZ tier four episodes fights
>Endless flashbacks
>Still haven't resolved major plot points
Frick oda, frick One Pice and frick the moronic fans who pretend this isn't a slow ass hot garbage that even if reduced to 250 episodes would still have too much useless fluff thrown in to keep the series going.
for me, its the water punching episode before enies lobby
Every story
>enter a new island
>island is ruled by a powerful villain who has enslaved the good people
>Luffy jobs against the villain, but somehow doesn't die
>enslaved good guy motivates Luffy by telling a sad flashback of how the villain killed the island's champion 10 years ago
>Luffy challenges the villain again, uses the same tactics and somehow wins
>they have a banquet
>cut to people's reaction when they hear Luffy has defeated another unbeatable guy
>repeat for 1000 episodes
true, it never really gets old.
I mean, the tragic flashback sequence are pretty fun. It's just that the rest of the arc is pretty lackluster, because Oda doesn't do anything interesting with the crew.
Most of the Strawhats never interact or get paired up, and their only role is either gags or fighting.
The advantage of long form story telling is that he's been able to build up and solidify his characters but you're right. He could have done all the character building by just cutting down on the DBZ shounen fight episodes. I liked the Wano arc a lot, but my god was that drawn out to the point of almost torture. When the good guy finally did win, it felt pretty good. There's a high I get out of one piece, it's like a drug. but I feel like I'm most attracted to some of the stuff he adds in, seemingly, as asides. Like the coolest parts always seem to be with Robin at the end of an arc that pushes the overall narrative or when the other characters get their spotlight.
Robin is non-character, she never talks with anyone and when she does say something it is ignored. Her entire role is just exposition.
She drinks tea, reads the newspaper, and is nice to Chopper and Sanji. Her only role is the ship's archeologist but she does have some pretty cool fight scenes along the way.
I still enjoy it.
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OP definitely cheats a bit with its setting..Not as difficult to extend a series indefinitely when you can just sail to the next island and have it be worlds apart from the last island. It's very smart from a production standpoint since whenever they want they can just add a new island and get a year or two of extra content off it, though from what I've seen of One Piece it still does a good enough job of making each new island feel significant enough to where it still feels canon and like things are actually progressing, even if it sometimes feels slow
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apart
It's always fricking "nice island is actually cruel until luffy instawins"
This really only applies to Wano but good job outing yourself as a moronic speedreader.
I swear one piss fans are moronic. This is the same plot for every arc since alvida. Its so funny because the plot never advances outside of infodumps inbetween arcs. It really takes a low iq to enjoy one piece.
you forgot
>damsel with big breasts in distress
>Episode 1
to have a weak fruit
interesting way to beat his enemies
He literally doesn't lose a single fight until arguably either Smoker and then Crocodile
Doesn't he lose against Buggy?
And he certainly loses against Arlong
>And he certainly loses against Arlong
No he fricking doesn't
I dislike how jobberized Buggy became after his first appearance. He actually did pretty well against Luffy, and he has a fun power. I hope has one more good non-meme showing before the end.
Stupid question, but why does Wano even have a shogun and not a king?
I realize it's supposed to be Japan flavor and Japans think shogun = king, but the rest of the world has kings.
Does Wano have an emperor who is kept out of power, and that's why they have shogun?
nta, I recently finished it and I don't remember them ever explaining. I also don't think Japanese people think Shogun = King. Shogun is the highest military office. I don't recall anyone mentioning an emperor which is definitely a bit weird. That or I missed it.
I've never read as far as that in OP, but if they are a country at war/warlike it would make sense. A shogun is a wartime leader.
How is it warlike?
It has a lot of samurai for some reason, but there is no mention of Sengoku Jidai-like time.
But Monosoke's grandfather was the shogun decades before Kaido showed up.
Why did you respond to my post if you didn't read it at all? I pretty clearly said I haven't read that far, and offered a possible explanation. Come on man.
How it's presented seems like Kaido would be Emperor and Orochi is Shogun, though I guess after the arc there is no emperor role, just Momo as Shogun. Wano is closed off from the WG so they don't operate the same as other countries.
it's not part of the world government
hence no government approved king
>hope has one more good non-meme showing before the end.
Buggy will become King
My hope/theory is that there’s going to be an eventual scramble for the one piece/confrontation between the four new emporers, bb kills shanks, and that prompts buggy to go into full drive and hold off bb with cross guild while luffy escapes for the laughtale.
Dude that's already happening. Shanks and Buggy have both declared that they're now after One Piece and we already knew Blackbeard was.
Yeah, its like what episode 1400?
One Piece power creep is nothing to complain about. Naruto went from chucking ninja stars around to being a God like glowing moron in a third as many episodes as it took Luffy to go full moron.
https://onepace.net/
only true way to watch the show, because Toei ruins the show by stretching every chapter into 10 episodes
nice, I might pick this up as I'm gonna go on hiatus from the anime for a some years. I fricking stopped in like 2014 or something when he was fighting Doflamingo and he had the samurai guy tagging along with him. Fast forward nearly 10 years later and they're still with those fricking guys hahaha. I'm gonna miss the Wano crew though.
I heard that this egghead arc is supposed to be the last one? It seemed to me like they would have to go back through the entire grand line again to pick up all the ancient weapons and people they need for Armageddon or w/e the hell is gonna happen. Unless he just stretches this next arc out for 10 years again.
Could've given another strawhat some sort of a "weaker" fruit and let them defeat the non-boss guys in creative ways. And I mean way before, pre-timeskip maybe.
I'm at Skypeia and have to physically force my eyeballs open to keep watching. Is it worth continuing? I didn't even love the previous arcs that much.
>watching
that's a mistake
If you're not feeling it by the time you get to the timeskip, you probably won't ever feel it
that's funny, because the skip neuters everything built up to that point.
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I liked it but it only really took off an Enies Lobby, those three arcs where they basically fight the entire navy are really good.
I forgot to add that the Skypeia arc has one of the best villain / fights in the series imo. brutal fricking build up to it though. get the One Pace link the other anon posted and just watch that.
Skypeia is extremely difficult to get through. I thought I was just over the show, but G-8 drew me back in instantly. I have no clue how people can call it one of the best arcs. Shitty side characters, the worst villain in the show, and way too much buildup for literally no payoff.
it was a golden era compared to Long Ring Long Land arc which could have been covered in its entirety with 3 episodes and which appears to be filler if not for the fact that is was actually in the mango.
More than half of the anime run time for Long Ring Long Land is filler, that's why it feels so long
Because you're a brainlet that doesn't understand how good or important Skypiea is for the overall series.
Well you go ahead and enjoy it. I’m sure it’s worth your time.
If you have to watch the anime, watch One Pace instead. The manga is just better tho
Skypiea is one of the most boring arcs followed by 2 short but ultra boring mini-arcs (Long Ring Long Land and Foxy).
If you didn't like Alabasta probably you won't like One Piece because most arcs are a copy-paste of Alabasta.
If you keep watching, after these boring arcs it comes Water 7 and Enies Lobby which many people praise as the best arcs in the series (I personally prefer Alabasta).
As many people alredy said, either read the manga or watch One Pace, because it's painful how they stretch 1 chaoter of 16 or 20 pages into a 25 minute episode.
This is your brain on watching dubbed one piece in the background when you play fortnite
Dude I've been watching both subbed and dubbed episodes since 2005, I read the manga.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. Am dI have no fricking idea what kind of site Fortnite is, but I don't watch piracy sites, I just watch current episodes on Crunchyroll and Netflix (Dub).
As someone who felt the same as you and kept going anyway I can safely say just drop it. Everyone will tell you that Water 7/Ennies Lobby (1 arc across 2 locations) is amazing but they're wrong and you definitely won't like it much if you weren't feeling the rest of what came before.
I watched until a bit into Thriller Bark and that's when I finally gave up because I was being stupid and really wanted to like One Piece since I really liked what I watched as a kid but I just can't stomach it as an adult. And I DID switch to the One Pace version after Skypeia.
Can't comment on the manga as I only read a tiny bit of it and don't plan on ever picking it up after hating the anime.
The anime is so bad they're remaking it even though it's still ongoing
>>Can't comment on the manga
No shit, you keep posting the same copypasta tier basic b***h animeonly opinions and it shows
Well yeah this is Cinemaphile, not Cinemaphile. That was the first post I made in this thread and of course it's basic, all I said was I don't like OP and he probably won't either if he didn't like what he watched so far.
yeah it's tough to say sit through 3 more of, arguably, the worst arcs to get to stuff they might not even get your dick hard when you do get there. I liked One Piece from the first episode. So I was hooked all the way through it. Skypeia is snapshot into the future because that shit drags out for a long time and then it only feels longer and longer during some of the bigger arcs.
>i'm 13 and what is character/plot development
I genuinely hate Luffy as a character, his stupid empty bug-like expression pisses me off.
He's kind of the Platonic ideal of the perfect shounenslop protagonist. Dumb as a rock so he gets into wacky situations, strong as the plot demands so he can either job or asspull, completely lacking any strong character motivations beyond what a child would think, and is basically asexual. In a just society he would have been slaughtered at birth.
it's not high art, it can't possibly hold the expectations of it. It's dumb fun for children and that's the charm of it. Super serious adult shit is often dour, dark, perverse, and just flat out anti-fun. You can point me to the nearest fun show that is intellectually potent but I'm gonna go on a limb and doubt such a thing really exists. Existential navel gazing is just not my thing.
I wonder how they're going to adapt the live action season 2? They have Loguetown, the reverse mountain, the whale, whisky peak, then the hugely consequential little garden. I guess they could do Loguetown and reverse mountain in one episode, one episode for whisky peak or maybe even cram whisky peak into 25 minutes and then frick off to Little Garden for 2 episodes and then try to wrap up Chopper's arc in 4 episodes. Idk how they can fit the whale in any of this and yet that is a pretty big deal for Brook's character.
You can only adapt so much. Anime is just a big commercial for the manga anyway. It's not like it's a unique piece of media. It's like the Harry Potter films, they are just made to sell the books that go more in depth and are the source materials that tell the story
it would work out pretty well i think if they did 9 or 10 episodes for season 2. 10 would give them an aftermath episode and lead into Arabasta. but they're gonna have to basically cram the loguetown/reverse mountain/the whale into a single episode and cut whisky peak down to like 15 minutes to do Little Garden and Chopper arc any justice. I'm only thinking about the highlights. idk how you can skip those major beats.
I dread to see CGI Chopper
you think it will be CGI? I figured they would stuff a midget in a cute suit to save on money and then CGI his transformations. That's gonna hurt the budget if they go full CGI.
Nobody ever once said in this entire series that the Gomu Gomu no Mi was a weak fruit.
Also I am tired of people acting like Gear 5 was an asspull. If anyone "earned" that power it was Luffy.
>Also I am tired of people acting like Gear 5 was an asspull. If anyone "earned" that power it was Luffy.
I can't really comment on the coherency of the actual reveal, but I think the main point that irks people is that it just feels cliche/derivative of all its contemporaries but came across worse since it happened so late in the game.
I assume they're gonna do a gear 6 since the fruit is ultimately a human/human type fruit. So he's gotta turn into a human as the peak. I'm thinking twirly moustache, monocle, top hat, cane, and a posh british accent. the cane is a gun and he just shoots the villain.
Such is life when a fighting shounen runs too long. Eventually the main character becomes a god that can destroy universes
>2nd Gear, pushes the blood through his veins, quickening his speed and reaction time. Does DBZ teleports that they don't have to draw because he's moving so fast!
>3rd Gear, inflates individual limbs to crush enemies with overwhelming might
>4th Gear Bounceman inflates all of his muscles. Gains the ability to compress his limbs into himself and releasing it is like releasing a spring under pressure
>4th Gear Snakeman... uhhh, now just has this ability to make his punches turn 90degrees multiple times mid-punch, which is super unpredictable!
>5th Gear, Slapstick cartoon god powers
I guess you gotta hand it to Oda for keeping us surprised. Every Luffy powerup has been different.
Luffy already used Culverin against Doflamingo. Snakeman really was more about getting one over on opponents who are predicting and evading his attacks, I don't think it really has practical use outside of the Katakuri fight.
Oda himself said that he chose rubber because it was a goofy power, nowhere in the story has it been implied that it's been a weak fruit. It was even good enough for Burgess to consider stealing
Luffy was literally a weak ass child, you dumb frick. Some fruits (mostly Logias) have immediate payoffs but others depend on the user's practice and creativity.
>nowhere in the story has it been implied that it's been a weak fruit
Logias are directly and unequivocally characterized as strong enough that the downside (no swimming) doesn't matter. Being made out of rubber is characterized as equal to or lesser than no longer being able to swim. then zoans are regarded as jokes. this is implicit.
>this is implicit
>IT'S REAL BECAUSE IT JUST IS ALRIGHT?
>inflates individual limbs
He's inflating his bones and he has done both arms at once.
>weak fruit
When is that literally ever implied.
>episode 1
>posts a panel from approx chapter 1040
The time is irrelevant since it is merely a conformation that the audience assumption of it being a weak fruit is a similarly held view by others that don't know its true nature.
That's from Wano you fricking moron.
its implied by neither shanks or any of his crew really being interested in it, that it was worth more to sell than to eat.
Clearly shit changed after the romance dawn arc, he had to start scheming ways to drag this shit out. I'm not sure why he had to go bananas and turn it into the ultimatest rare fruit with god powers but he did need a mechanism to keep the world government on his ass. Ultimately he goes around solving everyone's major problems, some of which is caused by the world government itself. Without a sufficient reason to keep tabs on him, it wouldn't have the tension to carry it very far. even if it does feel like an asspull, he did foreshadow it a bit.
>Clearly shit changed after the romance dawn arc
Romance Dawn is 1 chapter, no shit he had to come up with more ideas to make a series
>he did need a mechanism to keep the world government on his ass.
By "his" you mean "luffy," right? How about the fact he keeps killing/deposing all the world government puppets? That he keeps humiliating the world government? How is that not enough?
yeah but there could have been dissent in the ranks, obviously the navy leadership is half way out the door on backing the World Govt. Some are openly hostile like Garp. You need a reason to make the head honchos interested in Luffy. This way it was the one thing they were most afraid of (for whatever reason). I'm not saying you're wrong, it could have worked, but eventually the world government was on the short list for the end game anyway.
He got a new bounty after almost every major arc, what do you think that meant?
Hint: it's not his power level
I don't care if Cinemaphile won't let you discuss anything other than little girl anime, frick off and never come back.
Nobody thought his fruit was weak, pay better attention.
The fact luffy was the only one who'd eat it implied it was weak.
From your own argument Shanks intended to sell it which means at least 1 other person wanted it
yeah, scrubs.
>Implies
Nobody said anything about the fruit before this page when he eats it. I'll post the next page when they talk about it and tell me when they call it weak. They said swimming is important for a pirate, not a single mention of it being weak. It wasn't eaten yet because they stole it, ignoring the explanation we have now and going at face value on these pages they were strong enough and wanted to do something with it.
Shanks also doesn't want any devil fruit crutches in his crew
yep, you see, not being able to swim, is seen as cause enough to not eat it, by a bunch of pure humans. thus, weak.
No, it's seeing as not being able to swim, which is a problem for a pirate. A weakness doesn't imply the power of the fruit is weak like OP is implying. Nobody called it weak except Ace apparently.
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i swear to god you're all fricking illiterate or something.
I keep seeing implied or implicit, I've only seen some no name pirates and an inexperienced Ace call it weak. You can't seem to find a panel of anyone of note saying it's a weak or terrible fruit.
the fact luffy was able to eat it meant it was weak. they weren't guarding it, they didn't secure it, and they didn't care about it. it was just something to sell.
>I keep seeing implied or implicit
Well the argument did start from
>When is that literally ever implied
shanks isn't angry that luffy ate it, he's acting more like luffy just poisoned himself and there's no cure.
Here is another one proving that wrong
That is literally chapter 800 something, a retcon at that point. Nothing here about it being weak or unwanted. A child is also calling it weak in your image, that's not a constant statement at all.
I will admit that somebody did call it weak, an inexperienced child Ace. That's not the same as it always being a weak fruit for a thousand chapters until it wasn't, I could have been more clear in my statement for sure.
It was also called 'minor' here
. I don't want to hear the excuse of this depiction being a "retcon" if your only evidence is no one explicitly saying it is bad beforehand.
OK then, so what are fruits that have been considered objectively "powerful" aside from Logias and legendary Zoans and a few utility fruits like poison ones? The number of "weak" devil fruits completely dwarfs the number of strong ones and yet very few people actually get labeled as "weak" because of their DFs aside from actual morons, (or people pretending to be moronic like Corazon)
>what fruits are objectively powerful except the ones that are objectively powerful
not even that anon, but come on. what a waste of trips
Way to miss the point, moron. There have been hundreds of DFs revealed in Wan Piss and the only non-Logia fruits objectively referred to as OP in-story are Law's fruit that had a 5 billion market value, and Kuma's and Kaido's fruits which were good enough to be rewards for world nobles.
>OK then, so what are fruits that have been considered objectively "powerful" aside from Logias and legendary Zoans and a few utility fruits like poison ones
You are presenting your own counter-argument to what was actually being discussed. Luffy was considered an underdog with a weak fruit because its relative to his biggest obstacles which are those you just presented. Without the God powers we now know he has, you just implied he is equal to every other schmuch with a normal DF.
>you just implied he is equal to every other schmuch with a normal DF.
Wait til you find out Shanks and Roger didn't even have fruits and are some of the strongest characters in the series.
That has nothing to do with the depiction of the Gum Gum Fruit. I am not arguing whether or not Luffy is weak
>I am not arguing whether or not Luffy is weak
You're arguing that the fruit is weak outside of the usual DF drawbacks which is even more moronic
>You're arguing that the fruit is weak
I'm arguing that the assumed viewpoint (both from the audience and inuniverse) of the fruit is that it isn't anything special and is weak relative to Luffy's obstacles which is why he *was* considered an underdog.
>of the fruit is that it WASN'T INITIALLY seen as anything special and WAS weak relative to Luffy's obstacles
Fixed that so you wouldn't think that I think it is that way now that the Nika properties have been revealed
>he *was* considered an underdog.
This has never been the fricking case, you absolute mong. One of the most powerful characters in the series acknowledged that his strength of heart would lead to strength of body. His first crew member was a former pirate hunter who pledged ended up pledging loyalty to a pirate after many others had tried. He had the biggest bounty in East Blue after only a few days of his debut. A navy Captain immediately recognized his power and asked for a transfer to another base just so he could wait for him. I have no idea how else to fricking hammer it in that Luffy was never an underdog and the Gomu Gomu was never underestimated
>underdog
The grandson of a Marine hero, and the son of the most wanted criminal in history?
Pretty sure Crocodile says it is shit but then again he was basically a Logia Supremacist
I've been hearing rumors, that I suspect may be originating from troons, that Crocodile is luffy's mom. I've only recently caught up to the anime, so I'm not sure how if this is more delusion from that sect or if it has merit.
It's a meme from over 10 years ago. Don't worry about it.
I only bring it up because someone shared a screenshot from the live action that showed a character in the Roger -Ack! scene and it was a woman with a scar on her face. Apparently the live action crew dropped a ton of easter eggs in the show, like putting a navy symbol on the box that held the rubber fruit despite that not being in the manga or anime. (idk if the image was real)
It's a niche fan theory. Ivankov has the Hormone fruit and can change peoples sex and makes a comment claiming that he knows how to keep Crocodile in line. Nobody knows who Luffy's mother is.
Oda seems like a perv, so I wouldn't put it past him at all. Makes you wonder why Croc was so aggressive though, not just with luffy. Oda really, really went out of his way to make Croc the villain of the month instead of week.
Villain?
I mean during the Alabasta arc. seems pretty obvious it's going in a different direction now with him teaming up with buggy and sideburns
Croc is the Frieza of One Piece
A lot of villains in the One Piece world are just victims of how shitty the world really is once they find out how it do like it be.
that kind of gives credence to Croc being luffy's mother, because that character was nearly irredeemable during the Alabaster saga. I don't know if I felt that way about any of the other antagonists.
Doflamingo was Croc 2.0
Kaido was basically Doflamingo 3.0 with more slavery
Enel wanted to destroy a whole island for fun
Lucci killed a whole village because they were weak
Hody was the CEO of racism for fun
yeah for sure other antagonists did worse shit than Croc, but for some reason I could understand it better. It may have just hit me more for some reason. Kaido was a bad guy but he was also so strong he was bored with living. Doflamingo was a nutter being a noble. Enel is a strange one because I didn't remember his motivation until you brought it up. He wanted to fly around his airplane and be a lightning buddha. I don't think I took him all that seriously after he dropped that goofy face when he couldn't zap luffy.
Lucci gave off homosex vibes and Hody was more like the fat kid who didn't ever get picked for dodgeball. Croc seemed like he legitimately wanted to suck the marrow out of luffy's bones.
>Doflamingo was Croc 2.0
No he wasn't, Doflamingo wanted to destroy the world because his father took away his title. Croc wanted Alabasta for Pluton so he can militarily stand against the World Government.
>Kaido was basically Doflamingo 3.0 with more slavery
Kaido was a bored accelerationist who wanted desperately for his death to have meaning like his peers, Whitebeard and Roger. He thought he couldn't be killed so he instead tried to force the world into war to force the reincarnation of Joyboy.
>Enel wanted to destroy a whole island for fun
Yes
>Lucci killed a whole village because they were weak
Yes
>Hody was the CEO of racism for fun
Yes
No he didn't. He said Luffy is lazy for not having done anything to develop his ability, not that the ability is bad.
>start out a normal pirate adventure
>we end up with pirate Jesus
>Episode 1
Episode 1 has Luffy defeat a whole ship of pirates by himself. Pretty much all of East Blue is like that. Luffy didn't have a genuine fight until Along
he made looney tunes sounds so i liked it
i am a Cinemaphile gay tho not a weeb so all the tropes were new to me
>start off as wacky adventures with pirates
>ends up as pirate Jesus
Why do they do this
have a nice day, Narutard
Is this supposed to be pro-One Piece?
... yeah... how can you see it as anything else?
Because it looks like shit in every panel.
so... you prefer the screaming ki-battle format?
No, I just thought it was a meme meant to mock shounen as a whole. I didn't realize the ideal version of the genre was complete stagnation.
This is the kind of person who makes posts like
You can just say OP, anon. I'm in the same thread as you, I would know which post you meant.
... its talking about how dragon ball, bleach, and naruto started with these wacky/unique premises then devolved into screaming ki-battles, whereas one piece started with his wacky/unique premise and kept it the entire time. it even started backing away from haki after oda realized that would just be energy blasts if he kept going with it.
>...
Why do you keep starting posts like this? Are you autistic?
>whereas one piece started with his wacky/unique premise and kept it the entire time.
Isn't the entire point of this thread that it doesn't do that?
... I'm expressing shock that you could even be confused or need this explained...
... also most of the thread has been about how the main character's power was something viewed as weak but only got better because the main character was sufficiently creative, but is now actually something that turns you into a god and the bestest of the best. it really just gives him toon powers so it doesn't completely become screaming ki-battles.
Please stop doing it, it's making me cringe. Thanks.
... you really think telling people to stop doing something, on Cinemaphile... will... work?
One Piece is still plenty wacky. The last few chapters have been darker than usual though
I mean, I haven't seen/read it so I don't really know, but the original image derides stuff like DBZ or Bleach for falling back on simple power upgrades, not tonal shifts. I wouldn't say any of the other shounen suffer from that, so why bother making that point? Or is the implication that somehow in 1000+ chapters One Piece hasn't experienced power creep?
You will never feel the embrace of someone who truly loves you if you keep acting like this.
Luffy is only the underdog when he gets to Logue Town. Until that point it's clear that he's a big fish in a small pond.
>jannies left this up
For once jannies are based
JOHNNY, YA CAN'T SATIATE SOMEONE'S NUTRITIONAL VALUES WITH NUTSACK
>>the weak fruit is actually really strong
The "weak" fruit is now strong because Luffy worked on it and brought out it's full potential. When you first eat it it's practically unusable. You see than when Luffy is a kid.
>>can bend reality around him at will
No it works like every other awakened fruit. Luffy is now just able to turn his surroundings and others he's fighting to rubber just like Doflamingo could turn things into string. It's not limitless either and wears off very quickly.
>God powers
Not really
What are we even doing here, complaining that the lead in a shonen manga got more powerful? What a pointless argument
Irrefutable
OP BTFO.
>awakened fruit
when did oda invent this concept?
Hundreds of chapters ago at this point
>recently
yeah, that's what I thought.
Awakening was first mentioned in Impel Down which was about 550 chapters ago and were fully explained in Dressrosa, so about 350 chapters ago.
I'm not going to sit here and try and claim One Piece is some meticulous masterpiece because it isn't but what do you want anon?
the last arc I read was dressrosa and I don't remember anything about "awakening" and i don't remember anything from the impel down about "awakening" either.
Well maybe you need to slow down Kizaru
Arguably Impel Down with the Minotaurus being revealed to be moronic. Oda even brought this up after Wano ended Kaku seems dumber than before and Lucci seemed to delusionally think he could take on Luffy
did you reply to the wrong post?
The Zoans on Impel Down were the first instance of DF awakening being mentioned, moron
those were instances where people with weak fruits had found ways to use them to their absolute fullest.
They are outright called awakening and it being a Zoan taking over their minds, it's explicit.
>arguably
In Impel Down Crocodile straight up mentions they are awakened zoans
fight against doflamingo is when it was explicitly mentioned. I'm not sure if there was any mention, teasing or forshadowing before that.
lil bro
is there anything more than just crocodile saying "awakened" like anyone knows what that means?
As was said to you it was mentioned here then explained later. Stop moving the goal posts
asking for elaboration is moving the goalposts now?
anyway, so the concept of "awakened fruit" was a zoan being turned completely into the animal, the fruit taking over the body.
how does that translate to "rubber" turning a person into a cartoon?
You mean an author expanded on ideas he wrote into his story earlier???? no way
... ESL moment... maybe calm down and read the post.
Saying that Luffy's power is a cartoon or that he makes things into cartoons is reductive. His powers are still functioning the way that his fruit did before, just to an exaggerated degree. Even that goofy shit where he runs on air has already been explained with CP9's sky walk.
Vegapunk speculates that DF's come from people's wishes manifested into reality. For all we know the ancient kingdom had a Looney Tunes show and people wanted to be like Nika and that's why it specifically has the powers it has. Luffy's awakening still behaves like both Zoan and Paramecia awakenings, and it may already be taking a toll on his body or mind
i like how you avoided the question of, if a zoan type "awakens" into a person becoming the animal completely, then how does "rubber" "awaken" into "toon powers?"
You really are a dumb piece of shit. It's not toon powers, it's still rubber powers, they just happened to belong to some sort of ancient figure that moved goofily. Same way that Marco has fire powers and Sengoku has a golden body. The fact that Luffy's power also affects his surroundings the way awakened Paramecia do is still a mystery as long as we don't know who Nika and possibly Joyboy were
NTA but the joyboy and Nika shit is so fricking lame, specially being introduced so late.
Joyboy was first mentioned almost 15 years ago
And wasn't relevant until now.
Just reading this post makes me glad I dropped this shit before the timeskip. Ridiculous.
>It's not toon powers
pulling a perfect square of land up into a huge piece of rubber to deflect a fireball back a the dragon who shot is pretty close to popeye yanking the sun back up to beat up bluto some more.
>pulling a perfect square of land up into a huge piece of rubber to deflect a fireball back a the dragon who shot is pretty close to Popeye
And blowing air into your fist to punch a cat is some Tom and Jerry shit, what's your point? Hell, OP has always had a cartoony logic to it, people can see other characters get money eyes and shit like that.
Nothing that you said contradicts how awakened paramecia work, by the way
actually everything up to gear five was pretty much just restrained mr fantastic level, with more punch. Air + rubber = hard, i mean, I assume you've been around a tire.
It's not rubber powers, Nika's body is rubber like, fluid and free, and he affects the surroundings because that's how free Nika is.
Nothing to do with rubber, there is probably an actual rubber Paramecia out there.
Sorry, what the frick is this bullshit? Did Luffy not eat the rubber fruit? The Gomu Gomu no Mi? What is this insane retcon that's going on these days?
Nope, Luffy has always had cartoon like powers no matter how dumbfounded you like to act about it.
>rubberman drinks a ton of water, resembles a water balloon
>this is toon powers
anon.
You don't just leak water our of your wounds moronbro
... we usually call it blood and we usually don't injest 4-5 times our regular weight in water to try to fight a dude made of sand.
Just give up anon
So what episode did tom eat the gomu gomu fruit again?
Tom is a cartoon and the Nika Nika fruit which Luffy ate gives him cartoon like powers.
God this looks horrible. Is Oda getting worse at drawing due to age or laziness?
Neither. He was going blind. He had lazer surgery recently
Damn, I feel a little bad now. The HxH mangaka's body is giving up on him, so I thought it might be similar to that.
>The HxH mangaka's body is giving up on him, so I thought it might be similar to that.
Togashi's an butthole for not letting his wife finish it for him, though. And considering some of the chicken scratch he's released, I don't understand how he couldn't even hold a pen in his hand for like 4 years
Just read the fricking thread, Jesus frick
>the Nika Nika fruit
right, so its a retcon.
Oda hasn't fully established DF rules so surprisingly little is retconned by Fruit A actually being Fruit X: Model Y, aside from the Gorosei not immediately being suspicious of Luffy having the DF once they became aware of his powers (since Who's Who had a surprisingly harsh punishment for essentially just being assaulted by pirates)
yes, everyone who's ever come up with a retcon has generated similar levels of bullshit.
Just admit you're moronic.
Anon. Its a retcon. You're defending it. Tooth and nail.
So is Gandalf coming back as a white wizard then.
so you don't know what a retcon is. that's cool.
>author establishes rules and can elaborate or break them whenever he wants
>this makes me butthurt
Classic
it makes my interest in something that was already waning non-existent. the coolest thing about one piece was the idea of the underdog character being forced to be creative. but now he's a god thanks to a retcon.
>underdog
Jesus, read the fricking thread. Luffy was never an underdog
>character with a joke/middling power and a small crew isn't an underdog compared to people with godlike powers, armies, etc... because he just isn't okay!
Fricking have a nice day, you illiterate moron
homie he spends about a hundred chapters having a one man boat.
closer to 20 but go off king
>character whos goal is the title sought after by only the strongest in the world will never get to achieve said goal because some homosexual doesn't like it
okay so now you think underdogs can't achieve anything?
at some point they aren't underdogs anymore
only after they've beaten everyone. underdogs don't just become gods halfway through their journeys.
>halfway
It's the final arc and he's facing the israelites that run the World Government and their secret israelite leader. One of them just turned into a fricking demon and summoned out of a pentagram.
cya
I'm not having the argument you're having with the other guy, champ. Quit tilting at windmills.
>le buzzword lad
Explain to me why the Rubber Fruit doesn't give "rubber powers", try to be concise.
You are simply a troll trying to stir shit.
Learn to argue or at least learn to bait better, dumbass.
If you can't answer a question that simple, I'm a little worried about the current state of the manga. The rubber man didn't eat the rubber fruit all along? Bravo Odalan.
Good, stick to Boruto
>One Piece fan doesn't understand the manga he slavishly defends online
A tragedy that would have made Shakespeare wept. I guess you are the ideal target audience for shounenslop though, lacking a frontal cortex.
You have not posted a single argument in your whole thread of posts
I know just stringing two words together is tough for you, anon, but I'm not "arguing" here. I'm looking for an answer as to when it was retconned that the GOMU GOMU NO MI, aka the Rubber Fruit, isn't actually a fruit that turns you into a rubber man but is instead some super powerful hax fruit. Perhaps you just don't know?
>super powerful hax fruit
Mindbroken moron
>it's "a zoomer butts into the middle of the conversation with zero knowledge of the source material and spergs out" episode
Because the Nika fruit awakened state is having full blown Nika powers, like how Lucci becomes a super Cheeta with his awakening.
Obviously mythical Zoans would be weirder than normal animal Zoans.
>b..bu..but luffy never transforms
The fruit is a human model fruit.
anon. please understand you're not successfully defending one piece, you're making it sound exactly as dumb as most people already think it is.
Why? What does "dumb" mean?
dumb, as in, not well thought out, not creative, not foreshadowed or previously established. not clever. lazy.
>not foreshadowed or previously established
Multiple times throughout the story characters remark on how that's not how rubber works at all.
Even with the Enel fight, if Luffy was actually rubber Enel would have melted him into a puddle.
>not foreshadowed or previously established
This isn't wholey OP related, but I hate how people act like one off mentions that aren't brought up ever again nor are continously reinforced in the story are acceptable methods of establishing later plot points.
>when did oda invent this concept?
I don't know man, maybe in the chapter he first mentioned it
neat. I remembered they were zoans, I forgot the awakened bit.
>muh Nika Nika makes Luffy strong
Spee D reader. Kaido has an entire speech about how fruits don’t really matter and your main strength comes from Haki. Roger never even had a devil fruit.
The Nika fruit wouldn't even be the strongest fruit for Luffy. Bonneys would
>dood he had actually eaten a mega rare drop devil fruit called the God-God Fruit all along and now he's SUPER ELONGATED ROGER RABBIT *throws a pie at the big bad that has a bomb baked into it*
Never knew Cinemaphile was this autistic about Wan Piss
Lol
Skypeia is the most important arc in One Piece. Crazy to me some people still consider it glorified filler. It's a microcosm of the entire story
All this babble about Devil Fruits is funny when you remember Roger and Garp didn't need fruit to reach the peak. Luffy always would have ended up a huge threat because he has conquers haki which made everyone at Marineford shit themselves
Haki has to be the most stupid hack shit ever. Why introduce an entirely different combat system when you already have one? That was so fricking lame
Because, contrary to images like
, One Piece is exactly like every other shounen that goes on too long in that it needed some form of power scaling to make you feel that new enemies are threatening. Devil Fruits stopped cutting the mustard, so Oda invented a new type of bullshit that the best characters have more of.
I think it was exactly the opposite, somehow Logias ended being too overpowered and people like Enel could be basically invincible, except for hard counters liek Sand (Water) and Electricity (Rubber), but how will people will counter Light, Darkness (Which already counters every fruit), Forest or Mud???
I guess I worded it poorly, but yeah that's kind of what I mean. Devil Fruits stopped being able to represent power scaling because they already reached the top end of what should be possible with them with characters like Enel or the Light Admiral. So instead of just introducing a secret ew type of fruit Oda decided to fall back on the hackneyed "energy aura" trope that all shounen inevitably turn into. Shame.
That's what I think happened also. It was already established that Roger, Shanks and Mihawk had no devil fruits and are some of the most powerful people on the planet so he needed a way to have that make sense.
you can't beat logia users without it, not even other logia users can really beat logia users without it. So it was beyond foreshadowed that luffy and crew would have to get something that could take down logia and still be something that could be expanded on. idk if it's even guaranteed, at this point, that there won't be another power leap.
>it was beyond foreshadowed that luffy and crew would have to get something that could take down logia
and when it was "we just can because we can" most people lost interest.
>most people
anon...stop projecting. None of this is rocket science. it's goofy cartoon powers. the devil fruits are pretty stupid too. Almost all superhero shit is nonsense, but that's what makes it fun.
>most people lost interest
You aren't most people even if your weights are equal
>i still force myself to like it therefore its good!
If you don't like it that's fine, anon. You aren't most people though.
right. they're ending it soon for no reason. numbers are still great.
>a story running near-weekly since 1997 is ending in the next few years
>MUST BE BECAUSE ITS CANCELLED
bro it's been almost 27 years since an 18 year old kid (now middle aged man) has been writing the same story. I think you're putting way too many expectations on this shit. Most manga don't last 1000 chapters, not even close. Let's all agree it's a miracle he's held it together this long and it's even somewhat coherent.
that's the point, its not coherent anymore.
Ebin :D:D
Okay, so its trolling to talk about how the last coherent arc was water 7 and the the bit between it and the timeskip was basically oda saying "holy shit there is literally no way I can continue this way," and then one piece shifts to something else.
That's odd because every post TS arc is basically a copy paste of pre TS arc but sure you are the supreme kowledgable one piecer
you mean every post skip arc is a hyperbolic version of every pre-skip arc.
So which youtuber are you regurgitating here?
I have never and will never watch a youtuber. but you clearly do, and you've clearly heard this before.
ofc I like it, I honestly don't see why people take this shit so seriously. It's fun to talk about, but it's a kids show. I don't set a high bar for anime. Oda made a bunch of fun characters and they get to beat people up in new and exciting ways. occasionally the story moves forward. Adventure stuff is more about the journey than the destination. You should give yourself permission to enjoy it, although you're quite passionate about it already.
For me, it's Robin.
Imagine the handjobs.
Robi is my fav character overall, but If I had to find a waifu...
-Loving. loyal, kinda bossy and brave.
sharkussy
For me it's Shyarly
Baste
For me it's Nami, the Asuka of One Peace
We're in the final saga of One Piece. Arguments of if he ever was an underdog aside, did you really expect him to still be one at this point? There are at least 11 people that we know of that can still fight Luffy. There's not many Shonen where that's the case in their final saga
I think Luffy was only an underdog in the sense that he was a rookie pirate that had just started his career competing against older, well-established sailors to get to the One Piece but it was clear that he wasn't going to stay a scrub forever. What I didn't expect was for him to ending up being le chosen one like every other MC in shonen. Luffy getting his own asspull reality bending powerup is the cherry on the top of laziness.
>We're in the final saga of One Piece.
How do people know its the final arc?
I stopped at Skypeia years ago and picked it back up over the christmas break, on chapter 510.
Oda said it's the final saga. Though that could still mean another 5 years at least
Oda literally took a month break after Wano to get the details of the "final saga" together.
Just like my ancient Greek epics
One Piece really is the modern day Odyssey/Iliad
It's even got all the boats
I might do a reread, when should I drop it? Thinking the end of Marineford
low quality bait
that really is pretty much when one piece ended and something completely different started.
t. started in Wano and just wants to fit in with his anonymous friends on the internet
I started from the beginning, probably before you were born.
sure you did champ, that's why you need to try so hard to fit in
who am i trying to fit in with? are they in the room with us right now?
Punk Hazard to Dressrosa is really the only lull. The art may have suffered but OP has been consistently good since mid-Whole Cake Island so has the anime
the panlling starts to become atrocious around thriller bark. Id say the timeskip is a good point to end
He's definitely in the top 1% of strong fighters in episode 1, though. He smashes anyone who isn't at least warlord level.
His first training arc happened in a flashback.
>closeted homosexuals. secret simps, and narcissistic roasties will try to call you a troony for liking cute, feminine women with big breasts
unpopular opinions
>dressrosa is better than alabasta
>gear 2 and 3 bring down enies lobby because they are egregious asspulls that people forgive because it is the most jerked off arc in the series
>most pre-timeskip arcs suck and are slogs, particularly in the east blue saga
>arlong park is overrated
>marineford is overrated and luffy running 99% of the time
>the anime is better than the manga because oda's art gets worse and worse, especially during wano and egghead which have great animation
>there is literally nothing wrong with haki and luffy stops the whole strategy to beat the big bad shtick after crocodile/enel
>thriller bark is a top 5/3 arc because it is largely comedy piece with good banter and a good setting and also has the best zoro moment in the entire series
gear 2 is him using his rubber powers to pump blood faster and be faster. gear 3 is him blowing air into his rubber bones, to make them like tires, and thus have more weight/impact. its all objectively "rubber."
is buggy our literally me character
>Underdog
No, he curmbstomps all of his enemies in the first episode you dishonest moron
>considered to have a weak fruit
People throughout the East Blue call him a monster and didn't even believe devil fruits existed, he was exceptional to them
>finds interesting way to beat his enemies
He wins through brute force against all of his enemies until Crocodile, then wins with brute force against Enel and Lucci as well, only using a mirror to beat Foxy.
This is your standard, the Foxy fight.