Wtf am I missing here, why is this so highly rated?
I just tried watch it and its a skitty incoherent mess, jumping from a scene to story beat to the next with no real structure.
I am no weeb so I can understand weebs might like that shit but at least with something like a ghibli movie, which I dont even like, the story is coherent and has structure.
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Thoughts on gundam?
never watched it
sure the "general" cutie who was drinking beer and being a kind of sexy but crazy sloot was nice but I at least want a story with actual structure.
Go to reddit then
Watch gundam then
Cute girls. You might be homosexual
>AAAHH I NEED TO SEE HOT DRAWN CARTOON WOMEN NOW SO I CAN COOM
>W-WHAT? YOU THOUGHT I ACTUALLY WATCH THE SHOW?
The cute girls are 14 in cuestion, pedo.
ritsuko tanked that
So much workplace abuse. Where was Nerv's HR department?
>Where was Nerv's HR department?
AFEURA
nobody can spare the budget for that bullshit during the apocalypse
fuyutsuki and gendo or the other seele fricks probably take care of it behind the scenes
section 2 probably has their own kgb people to keep people in line
Ritsuko is also strong enough to break that safety glass using her fist. She also tanks the bullet enough to shoot Gendo back in the comics.
Misato bullying Ritsuko is hot
a.) the correct board Wrong board
b.) There is no b, frick off moron
rent free
>nooooo dont talk about TV and movies on Cinemaphile nooooo
newbie
It's really interesting to see the difference in discussion and of opinion between Cinemaphile, Cinemaphile, and Cinemaphile on the series to be quite honest. Evangelion should be reviewed more often by people involved with proper film critique, especially among the e-celebs. Because a lot of the delusions and confirmation biases built up by weebshitters and people at circlejerks like evageeks would evaporate overnight.
Wes Anderson picked Evangelion as one of his favorites
wes anderson is a hack
Evangelion (along with other mecha japanimation) noticeably inspired Pacific Rim. They incorporate a lot of elements from the show into the movie. Anno liked it so much that he sent a congratulatory letter to Del Toro after seeing it.
Didn't Del Taco say he never even heard of Evangelion before making Pacific Rim?
Del Toro didn't invent pacific rim. Travis Beacham did, and he was very vocal about NGE's influence. In his first draft there was even a pilots bar where they play mech anime on the tv's in the vein of a sports bar and it references Eva by name as one of the shows on the screen.
iirc he said he's heard of it but never actually watched it for whatever reason even though he's watched a variety of other anime
It sounds like some type of bias against Eva to me but I can understand that, like sometimes you'll see other people go on and on and hype the shit out of a series but then all that hype detracts you from ever watching it.
I believe Deltoro also said he came up with the LCL helmet idea by himself and it was completely unrelated to Eva
Cinemaphile has the best takes on anime because your average Cinemaphiletard watches more media other than anime. You will by far get more varied and nuanced opinions here than on Cinemaphile
Anime and the Japanese are extremely orthodox in their use of tropes and ripping off previous works, so the products are often just clones of each other. This continues until something like NGE, Hahruhi, or whatever Isekai shit blows up and starts or subverts a new trend – but in the interim you have to deal with endless trend chasing.
Then the hardcore otaku who only consume Japanese content and tell you to watch 500 more animes and file into their niche communities and gatekeep, decrying anything that does not conform to their limited spheres of tropes and archetypes.
Thats the Cinemaphile experience
>your average Cinemaphiletard watches more media other than anime
more like the average Cinemaphile tard browses /misc/ and tiktok more.
>cool art with good character designs and a gnostic mecha aesthetic with a story that's basically just a hesse novel
What is there to get anon? It's a fun show
>fun
Doesnt seem fun to me. Its like just a bunch of images and loosly tied story plots.
I prefer to watch a movie with a story, beginning, middle, end.
Each to their own and maybe I missed the boat on this as I was not into it at the time but damn I remember watching fist of the north star in the late 90s as a kid and loving it and watching it every week to see what was gonna happen next in the overarching story.
I got through 3 episodes of this and dropped it on the 4th, just seemed fricking messy.
GitS is more my thing anyway
probably this
>Doesnt seem fun to me. Its like just a bunch of images and loosly tied story plots.
>I prefer to watch a movie with a story, beginning, middle, end.
Considering the fact that there are millions of teenagers who watched that show in the 2000s and had no problem understanding the story, I can conclude that you're most likely just stupid as shit.
But that's no problem, you can still watch My Little Pony, Hazbin Hotel, or Rick and Morty, if you want an animated series, maybe that's more your level.
It's a deconstruction of the mech genre so the first 16 or so episodes are almost like a parody or critique of the enemy shows up/gets defeated trope. What it does well is show the lasting trauma and psychology of the characters as they get more and more fricked up, which doesn't really pay off until your further into it. Then it goes batshit towards the end/in the movies.
3 episodes in is still just monster of the week mech stuff. How can you find that confusing?
The only non-straightforward part this far on episode 2 when they skip Shinji's first fight and only show it at the end as a flashback. I have no idea what you're possibly confused about this early on.
>Gets confused 3 episodes in
>When it's just a monster of the week formula
Bait used to be believable
>3 episodes in.. fricking messy
If you find that messy, definitely quit watching
You had to watch it as an angsty teenager
You didn't "miss" anything. You either get it or you don't. Has been like this for as long as Eva's been around. Seems like you don't get it and that's fine. You don't need to like everything, anon. It's fine to not like a classic show.
This and this. If you didnt watch it at 16 having absent parents, being bullied daily and contemplating suicide as a good option ever since your childhood you can't get Eva.
This is just not true. I watched it for the first time as a 21yo, both parents alive and well, was never bullied (if anything I'm guilty of being complicit in bullying and doing some myself) and have never seriously contemplated suicide and I absolutely love my childhood and consider it by far the most fun part of my life in many ways and I consider Eva one of the very very best things I've ever seen.
oh no, I am autistic how will I ever recover etc
>the most fun part of my life
fun? wtf i thought you were gearing up to say you were still moved despite not really relating to any of it lol. but i guess that's a healthy outlook
Same here, great parents, never had any mental health issues.
Maybe OP just doesn't like non-linear storytelling. What about, say, Memento?
But it's ok to not like something, any ways.
>if you have depression, you need to connect with other people
>but it's hard
>i know, but it's worth it
Not that difficult to "get". The episodic stories were great, the serialized shit was bad.
Sorry it happened to you anon, but as you can see, we are all quite normal when we watched eva or read nge manga. I think its just (You) lol
You're probably just stupid.
it's a kids' show... you're basically asking why TMNT or Power Rangers wasn't a masterpiece
There's nothing to get anon. NGE is the director's gay depression diary masquerading as a mecha plot that intentionally goes nowhere. Also he couldn't manage a fricking budget to save his life either. The only people who like it are actual teenagers with depression because they find all the utterly irredeemable characters relatable.
NGE is an abomination that is an insult to the very concept of art, its single positive effect is that after it Gainax pulled their head out of their ass and made Gurren Lagann, one of the best series of all time and an example of a good depressed teenager protagonist.
The people who made Gurren Lagann wouldn't even agree with you. In fact nobody even remembers it happened anymore and Eva is still being talked about.
>The people who made Gurren Lagann wouldn't even agree with you
what the frick does that have to do with anything? the creators also thought that the star shaped glasses would look cool
Most 30something men who like anime have seen and love Gurren Lagann. I was just talking with a niggie at work the other day and mentioned Gurren Lagann and he was like "Ayyyy yo das my shit homie" and gave me a fist bump. I doubt zoomies know about it though.
Exactly. The point is that Eva is timeless. Most people of any age who like anime or even partake in any culture anime adjacent know of Eva even if they haven't watched it. Gurren Lagann is puny compared to Eva in terms of cultural relevance. A marker of greatness.
Gurren Lagan is an escapist fantasy for manchildren who think adversity and self-loathing can be conquered by "JUST BEE URSELF BRO" without introspection, understanding, growth, or personal responsibility
It's setting yourself up for failure because irl you can't just cure depression by hoping in a robot and saying I'M SIMON EPIC ROW ROW FIGHT DA POWA xD
On point and I say that as someone who still loves Gurren Lagann for accomplishing what it set out to do, but ... Gurrenn Lagann and a lot of post-Eva clones for that matter (looking at you:RahXephon) were deliberately seeking anti-Eva message about self-actualization and willpower conquering all adversity
The best Eva clone is Genesis of Aquarion. Specifically because its so pro-moron it loops around to being pure genius.
I'd argue Eureka Seven for being a clone only on the surface while fully exploring it's own themes of maturity and coming of age in its own way throughout. The worst Eva clone of all? I ironically, Rebuild of Evangelion.
You might be moronic if you think this jumps with no structure
It's no Gunbuster.
why are you frickers only ever posting this one scene? i'm sick of it now
lol, this. such a dumb pretentious complaint. muh pacing
>why are you frickers only ever posting this one scene? i'm sick of it now
Me personally, I only have a few webms of the show. Sorry m8.
>jumping from a scene to story beat to the next with no real structure.
wtf how did the characters end up in a new place all of a sudden? its tomorrow now? they didn't show how they got there???! no structure!
Anime YouTubers said it's good so therefore it is, next thread please
>Anime YouTubers said it's good so therefore it is
Scamboli didn't. The real question is why are film reviewers and critics not rightfully shitting on the reboot movies which some delusional fanboys dare to call sequels.
>Who is Scamboli? Only Gigguk matters because his numbers are big and he has a podcast
Because they don't care. New anime is out, gotta review that. And anyone with half a brain can tell the Reboot movies are a frick you to the fandom. Why yes, I did have a YouTuber give me that opinion, how can you tell?
>And anyone with half a brain can tell the Reboot movies are a frick you to the fandom
Show me these people with half a brain cell because clearly there aren't many of them if the movie still got decent reviews on Rotten Tomatoes (even if they're probably extremely surface level) and if countless consoomers are still buying up merchandise after they used those movies to turn it into a fashion brand.
In Japan people did, and they grossed extremely well apparently.
have a nice day disingenuous homosexual. This lazy defense of these shitty JJ-tier reboots was already broken long ago. Ironically the demographic that will probably find them the most nonsensical are the 2I generation themselves, aka zoomers. Probably because they had a life before anime and especially this self-important series. Newsflash; neither Eva or Anno are actually as important as people pretend it is.
The whole series was one man's shitty attempt at telling people to go outside and stop living in fantasy. The Rebuild movies made it the stupid consumer fantasy the fans wanted and in the end it made the world worse. That's the actual plot of the movies. Shinji wanted his Rei-doll and got it. And the world went to shit because he couldn't let go of his childish fantasies and escapism or whatever Anno thought he was saying.
I was obsessed with it for a while when I was a teenager. Haven't seen it in at least 20 years.
its worth a rewatch now that you have a different outlook
Just wait until the dance episode, it will all make sense
fuarkin kinography
Did anyone watch the rebuild movies? They took so long to come out I stopped caring
yeah
they suck
Yeah. They are well made and an interesting analysis of the current state of the franchise, but exist to tell a completely different message from the original. I recommend them but not as an extension of the original
I was so turned off by the animation and art style that I hated them long before the story turned to shit. Thank god NGE was made in the era it was made, because it never would've looked as good as it does in any other time.
They are shit. They are what every halfbrained mouthbreather wanted NGE to be. Big robot fights. Waifushit. No instrospection at all, those scenes where, for me, the hallmark of NGE
they're like the star wars prequels. they took forever to actually be made yet have no quality behind them. the animation is terrible, and it's hard to care about the story it's written so badly. any episode of the original show kicks the ass of the entire movie series.
the movies even have their own Jar Jar Binks, an annoying quip monkey who is just jammed into the story for no real reason.
theyre closer to the sequels
>beginning that is literally just the old thing
>totally shits the bed
>somehow an even moronicer and stupider ending
filtered manchildren who never grew up
>incels who hate strong women in star wars!!!1!
I mean you probably are an incel, yes
Michael Bay should have unironically directed the reboot/rebuild movies instead of that senile capitalist pigdog Anno became. He would have done the same job of directing a dumbed down adaptation for people who might not have liked the series otherwise and made a billion dollars whilst doing so through pure spectacle alone whilst giving the respective characters the badass moments and action set-pieces they deserve.
All whilst keeping a tight production schedule and not blowing up the visual effects budget and keeping the animators treated well. Or imagine if they went through with the idea of just remaking the original series but with higher resolution/detail graphics, remastered audio, only ever really altering the ending and put him to do it. Could have applied the same lessons as ILM did during the forest battle sequence to the MPE fight with Unit-02.
Cinemaphile idea: Zack Snyder's Evangelion
>I was bred to be a pilot, Shinji. Trained my entire life, to master my senses. WHERE DO YOU TRAIN? IN A HUT?!
Do you think we'll ever get that coveted big budget live-action adaptation of Evangelion within our lifetimes people keep shitposting about?
I hope not. People have been talking about it since the early 2000s and I'll never imagine a world where it isn't ass.
Animation is king. Evangelion would never work in Live Action.
snyder or bay could do it
they know how to do anime shit in live action
this scene would never work in live action.
not to mention the rest of episodes 25 and 26
I really hope not. A part of EVA's charm is that it borrows from a lot of classic live-action to begin with stuff like Gerry Anderson's shows and basically conveys all that in brilliant animated form. To go back from that would be a miserable exercise.
I don't think it'd be impossible, but it would probably be very hard to do. They'd probably butcher it in the art direction by westernizing (which is to say Americanizing) it too much (which is to say making the designs look too ugly). I'd rather have the Europeans or someone further eastward handle it. Ultimately animation is an art form more uniquely suited to something as surrealist and unorthodox as NGE. At the same time, you have Kubrick films (which are basically cut from the same cloth directing-wise).
Casting choice and makeup would be as annoying as ever though because of how many variations and interpretations there could be. Don't even get me started on the voices. Suddenly it's a rare-Earth scenario to deal with. At that point you might as well just go full CGI and hope like hell uncanny valley doesn't kick in, at which point you might as well go fully 3d animated somehow.
honestly I don't see too much of an issue with the examples listed here considering that the cartoon suffers (like most anime) massive same-face syndrome 99% of the time outside of old characters
when you account for realism more detailed phenotypes inevitably come into play unless the reference art its self is detailed, however more often than not you can still somehow go off common anatomical reference points like eye width/size ratios, nostril position, lips, and so on
most importantly it isn't trying to be ugly like recent westoid shit
Would.
Would.
Would.
Give all of her a nice hug with god's blessings. Maybe 3D doesn't have to be so disgusting sometimes.
> he still didn't learn that 2D>3D
so young, so naive ..
I learned that lesson ever I switched to low poly 3d modelling and animation years ago.
>who is just jammed into the story for no real reason
There is a reason. Marketing. At least that's what those who worked on the movies think considering they needed like 40+ rewrites to accommodate her existence in the second movie alone, and even then nobody could agree on what her character or personality should be. She exists solely as fap bait as far as I'm personally concerned, to generate merchandise sales. That's where the real money comes from after all from the 26$ billion sweatshop that is Japanese animation.
I won't say they are better than the series but some stuff I definitely like about them. Shinji is way more tolerable and Rei gets an actual personality. Shinji gets an actual resolution with his father. On the other hand Misato and Ritsuko lose nearly all their characterization and I kinda hate the arcs they are given. It's probably worth watching them at least once but the original is still the definitive version
>Shinji is more tolerable
Huh almost like a central aspect to Shinji's character and progression is that he's a selfish piece of shit
>Rei has an actual personality
She has one in NGE, were you not watching?
>Shinji gets an actual resolution with his father
And it was fricking awful capeshit esque trash much like the rest of the rebuilds
Everything else you said is true; the rebuilds are absolute dog shit.
Yeah, they're pretty bad. No idea why people pretend they are any good. Their entire existence is forced (they literally resurrected a series that should have been dead since 1997 ala Terminator style), the colors, art style, linework, and everything is pretty much just a soulless rehash. The only thing good about them is Shiro Sagisu reprising his role of scoring the show. He pretty much carried that whole project. They pretty much retcon/reinvent/reboot themselves with each installment, the production was an even bigger fricking mess than the original series, the writing is shit, characters have no purpose, the plot is complete cognitive diarrhea comparable to modern Hollywood, it's just a hot fricking mess.
It was clear by then that Anno was grossly out of his league and also out of touch. People should rightfully call him a hack especially with that horribly rushed fricked up ending and that third movie, or even the second one.
>No idea why people pretend they are any good.
was just about to say that the music is pretty nice at least but
>The only thing good about them is Shiro Sagisu reprising his role of scoring the show
you already got it covered
Original series was a subversive genre deconstruction.
People say this like it's a good thing, it isn't. It makes the show very much of its time and very much of its cultural context. If you weren't around when it was released and if you hadn't watched other mecha anime to be familiar with the typical tropes, then the show is meaningless to you.
I watched it last year and loved it.
I watched it a few months ago and it was my first anime and I liked it. you're just moronic
>you weren't around when it was released and if you hadn't watched other mecha anime to be familiar with the typical tropes, then the show is meaningless to you.
Thing about strong tropes they exist regardless of context. Even if they didn't get screen time yet they would eventually would be invented in future and get filmed. They are natural state of things.
They are like ponds and lakes. Depressions in the ground would be filled with water, even if there were no rain yet, there would be rain in future and water trickles downhill. So if somebody showes you draining (deconstruction) of the lake you can completely understand that process even if it fist lake you see in your life. Water goes downhill.
The appeal of Evangelion is either
1. Depressed teenagers seeing themselves in Shinji
2. Pseudo-contrarians who think ambiguous jump cuts and minute-long still shots are deep
3. Waifugays
Sucks because Anno is actually a good director and a chill dude and all of his other work is so much better than this garbage.
Evangelion has perfect waifu duo. Argument who is better Rei or Asuka is eternal. Yin and yang made into waifus is win. Simple but extremely strong concept because it comes from the fundamental properties of the universe.
They treat it like fricking Star Wars in Japan. It's not some weird, obscure anime to be a pseud about
Shinji is literally me
anime is so kino
I turned it off after the elevator scene and never went back.
>I turned it off before it became giga kino and never went back
your loss homosexual
You have to watch it for the first time when you are 13-14 or it won’t hit the same.
watched it for the first time at 20 and loved it. its timeless.
Nah, watched it around 20ish years old and it gave me a good kick in the gut for a good year afterwards. Definitely an animation experience of a lifetime depending on if you're in a receptive audience or not. It does require some media literacy though. If you're big into classical Sci-Fi or horror or family matters you'll probably like it.
>media literacy
I can't believe people use that phrase without irony
A majority of people consume content without retaining things beyond surface level of understanding, it's not that big of a surprise.
it was a perfectly acceptable phrase in cinematic discourse until twittergays started complaining about starship troopers
Of course you'd like ghibli shit which is a wallpaper slideshow with the excuse of a children's boring tale. Evangelion is for non morons sorry
I like both, but that guy is moronic for thinking that about ghibli anyway. Miyizaki's films are notorious for failing to stick the landing.
Ghibli did at least one episode of the series. A bunch of the people who worked on the series are former Ghibli.
Normal people don't really give a shit about this, only annoying weebshitters and otaku's engage in this sportsball tier tribalism.
Wrong, Professor Fuyutsuki is literally me. At the same time, I will happily see through Anno's bullshit and the delusions of the overactive fandom.
You WILL be tanged and you'll like it
I don't care if you like it or not, but if you believe it has no structure, then you're just a fricking moron. Why criticize it if you didn't even get it? EoE pretty much spells it out for you, and ties up most of the "mysteries".
more importantly, who's your favourite girl? There is only one correct answer to this
Misato is the only answer
Misato of course. Any other answer is incorrect
>why is this so highly rated?
Anime in general is a pedo oriented media. Don't waste time trying to over think it.
to constantly reinforce the truth that weebs have no taste
It’s overrated garbage but it has a stronger attempt at a story than most other weeb slop so it’s considered a masterpiece.
Fun fact the creator admitted to just throwing in a bunch of symbols from western religion without understanding them to make the story look deeper and weebs predictably ate it up lmao.
>Fun fact the creator admitted to just throwing in a bunch of symbols from western religion without understanding them to make the story look deeper and weebs predictably ate it up lmao.
thats not why people say its good though
I don't watch anime at all and I think NGE is great. It truly trascends it's genre and becomes a great serie, period. Not just a great anime.
Unfortunately now newbies have the Netflix version as a reference and didn't experience the original 90's version
DBZ > CRINGE Pedogelion
you can like both
Third Impact when?
faster!
The series is the only thing I've ever watched that actually changed my life. I watched it for the first time a few years ago while at a low point in my life of being unemployed, living at home, and having no direction in life. Something about this series was very compelling to me and it just clicked and made me realize that I was stunted with my emotional development. It helped me get over my hurdles of growing up and to stop being a man child and I ended up getting a job, then getting a better one, saving up some money, working out and getting in better shape and moving out into an apartment.
>ahhh its gay anime shit!
Yeah I know, but this series helped me out in my own life in a real world practical way that nothing else ever has. Its like the whole thing was some sort of experimental therapy thing made specifically for me and it worked perfectly.
I mean, everyone says how NGE is about depression or suicide, and it's actually not. The ending of episode 26 straight up tells you that's up to you, that your perspective and mental state shapes your reality. And that's actually true.
it is about depression and suicide though. that has a lot to do with what you said
Well yes, in a way, in the final chapters the characters are letting themselves die in deep despair. But when Shinji understand that life is shit because he chooses to be it that way, everything changes. The breaking glass is very obvious of it.
What I tried to said is, unlike what the memes or superficial understanding say, you are supposed to feel uplifted in the end, not depressed, like that anon said that changed his life. That's great, and that is why NGE is so powerful even today, because it has something to say about human condition.
T. Psychologist
Yes I agree.
Yeah, I never got anything from it like that. The entire message I got was that you cant let fear of life cripple you into wallowing in your own fear. Thats no way to live. Its very hopeful.
Its a shame though that the series seemed to fall back into itself though, contradicting its own message. They even reference the pop culture status of it in the movie, but the entire thing is screaming at the autistic nerd audience that this is just a fictional cartoon show and not real life.
I mean EoE is more about depression and suicide than NGE is, since Anno was going through an even worse time while making that. Instrumentality in the show is treated like a group therapy session, while in the movie its very much a regression to the womb/thinly veiled metaphor for giving up/suicide.
I agree. Somehow (I'm probably wrong) the original series and Death & Rebirth and EoE are different pieces, telling what happened with Nerv, Seele, etc and that was never the point. The original 26 episodes tell you everything you need to know.
How can a person be so wrong? If anything, EoE just doubles down and literally spells out for the audience the message of the original show. Eva was never a "depressing" show. Its' whole point is precisely that hope and courage in the face of paralyzing uncertainty about the worth of being itself is the hardest but ultimately most human choice.
If there's one thing that really bothers me around the image that the IP has is how so many people don't really seem to have payed any attention at all. How can you even read the message of NGE/EoE as anything less than one of the most hopeful and emboldening pieces of media ever made?
You should read Umineko.
Evagays are aestheticgays who likes the sci-fi Ultraman esque setting of Eva.
Because they are normalgays, they can't get into Ultraman and other tokusatsu shows.
They latch into a shitty Ultraman edgy fanfiction anime with a Gundam MC i.e Evangelion.
I've never seen a more untrue thing posted on Cinemaphile
babbies first animu so its always looked at through rose tinted goggles instead of being objectively judged for being dogshit, which it is. its basically herd mentality to say that you like it, and anyone saying it was good is proving that they are a mindless drone.
>babbies first animu
That's not DBZ/AoT though. NGE at the very least takes inspiration from good science fiction.
"babbys first non-shonen animu" would be a better epithet.
>Cowboy Bebop
>Initial-D
>AKIRA
>Space Battleship Yamato
>Mobile Suit Gundam
>Macross
-D
Battleship Yamato
Suit Gundam
Nobody watches that shit anymore. Meanwhile Evangelion is heavily promoted on Netflix.
This. Yamato/Starblazers and Macross/Robotech have been effectively dead in western pop culture since the early 90s. Although Macross might make an impact now that its being pushed by Disney globally.
its about the inevitability of fate and change, thus tang juice, israelites
>hit em again
You're not missing anything. You just have taste. Eva is babbys first pseud media
the only thing jarring in eva is the genre bait and switch, and that's kino
The episode where the angel absorbs Shinji and he has an existential crisis is where I know most people stop watching
Funny because that's when NGE actually starts.
Exactly
You had to be there
Go watch Gundam, Macross, and Dougram and absorb their messages than come back.
The Mega64 Evangelion adaptation is absolute kino.
3d is truly horrifying
its a parody
penpen kind of cute ngl
This board really is just xw*tter at this point
What went wrong?
Evangelion is Cinemaphile culture and the series/films have been discussed on this and many other boards forever now newbie
I never implied otherwise,Black person
Im pointing out that these replies suck ass just like your pseud style over substance show for homosexual pedophiles
Go figure nobody wants to engage in legitimate dialogue with an ESL who throws around the very same empty buzzwords as the Twitter homosexuals he's complaining about.
>anon cant see the appeal of cute anime girls, giant robots and monsters killing each other with the 2deep4u overlay
You don't have to overthink it its just a cool show.
>just don't think just enjoy it bro
Reddit moment this how you get people to watch HBO watchmen and The Boys
ESL misunderstanding basic English yet again. Overthink == think please go back to picking lettuce Pedro.
You clearly aren't thinking if you let glaring plotholes slide in favour of shilling gay eboy cultural slop as 10/10 media
2 hot pockets have been deposited into your account
>its a skitty incoherent mess, jumping from a scene to story beat to the next with no real structure.
You're just a moron, it's that simple. Guarantee you also watched the netflix troony dub. Off my website now.
Jujutsu Kaisen is better.
>shonen being better than anything besides other shonen
Lol
It is though. I can name a dozen anime better than the navelgazing nonsense that is Eva.
So can I and Crappa anime doesn't apply
Waste of trips, no janny would spend their time responding to morons
Even a "crappa" anime like JJK is better than Eva.
I'll take your shitty bait.
Yuji is your most generic and dull punch man protagonist with little to no depth or characterization. Gojo is Kakashi but even MORE dull. The fact the Gege keeps trying to lock him up or kill him is testament to how uninteresting Gojo is as a character. The side characters don't offer much more in the sense of interesting character dynamics or progression. Megumin is a non entity, hammer girl is a jobber, and everybody else exists to either job or spout boring exposition or "lore". But hey it looks nice right? Well it would if it wasn't a fricking CG abomination with no sense of movement or weight. And if that wasn't enough, the pacing is absolutely awful. How many times is a jobber going to go on a flashback monologue before they die and offer NOTHHNG to the plot or the characters around them. The first season holds up well enough for a generic shonen but the second season is even worse in this aspect. The power system is needlessly convoluted despite the powers themselves being generic and uninspired.
You're better off using HxH for bait at least that has some depth but still a shonen
I agree the CG in Rebuilds is dogshit.
>Haha I'm gonna misinterpret his post because I'm as shallow as the shonen I consume xD
The rebuilds have awful CG and are dogshit but it's still better than Crappa.
Wrong. JJK's CG is nowhere near as bad as the slop you see in Rebuilds
The rebuilds are absolute shit they have that in common with Jobjobsu Kaisen.
NGE and EOE easily mog anything CRAPPA has done. Cope Pedro.
>I'm as shallow as the shonen I consume xD
Only a teenager would consider Evangelion deep.
Only an ESL would consider JJK a worthwhile anime. Evangelion is as shallow as a puddle and it's still deeper than the splash of piss JJK is.
>no u
The argument of shonenkiddies ladies and gentlemen
That's because im proxy hopping around the homosexual and hes stuck in the dilation station
How so?
I actually got filtered too the first time around. The first seven episodes are rough, but stick with it. The story is utter nonsense but it has tons of SOUL. It's really worth it
Only insecure self-hating nerds like Evangelion because "omg shinji is literally me". A confident person sees it for the bullshit it is.
No, Gendo is literally me
i'm literally kaji, moronic homosexual
>i'm literally [suicidal homosexual]
OK?
It is what it is. I always pretend I like it to larp as a connaisseur, but yeah, it's a fricking mess. The original series is at least aesthetically pleasing.
Evangelion brings everyone together
>coherent structure
Its literally broken up into episodes.
>giant robots beating the shit of giant creatures
>it was a little creepier than that
>world ends with silly music
Watching this on 2002 or something was really a experience
Shit went from comfy robot cute girls show to insanity pretty fast
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Asuka's death scene somehow genuinely fricked me up to the point where I literally couldn't eat for weeks afterwards. Even though I had already had my fair share of western horror experiences both cosmic and ground level, there was something about seeing that poor kid tortured and ripped apart leaving behind a maggot infested corpse that just made me want to vomit profusely.
>its a skitty incoherent mess, jumping from a scene to story beat to the next with no real structure.
Pay more attention next time you slop-addicted moron. Even that nonce troony Digibro could follow the structure of an Eva episode.
Digibrony had a better understanding of Eva than most people, even other weaboos.
Misato Melons
aw hell naw thats a Warhammer and Rifleman
It starts slow, but gets better and better, then EoE hits you like a truck
This. Also, I like the show because I relate to Shinji a lot.
You're an insecure wimp.
What do you think I meant by, "I relate to Shinji"? That I also pilot mechs and live with a penguin?
That you want to be inside your mother and your father doesn't love you.
>What do you think I meant by, "I relate to Shinji"?
You're an insecure wimp.
>static shots of cigarette butts
>static shots of coffee mugs
>static shots of telephone poles
>is it trying to be high art and comes of as pretentious or did they have a small budget for animation?
>angels appear, same music plays, they get defeated, rinse repeat, it feels almost slapped onto the show just cause after watching 15 minutes of people standing around being depressed they add random fight cause that's what this shows usually have in them
>Even the emergency of the angel showing up is meek, characters have like sometimes hours to get to their post or EVA before the fricking angel does anything constructive. Shit, if it's such an emergency and these frickers can show up at any time (but it seems it's usually in the afternoon) don't have your only pilots going around god knows where doing dumb shit
>most of the show is some roommates sitcom
>Asuka just nags about Shinji cause he scored better than her on some random ass scan, b***hes about him being Mr Perfect even though nobody is really all that in love with Shinji or is he actually taking her spotlight or affection from others; she just rants about him and everybody just goes on about their business like they don't even acknowledge her screeching
>Shinji going catatonic while all the shit around him explodes is annoying af. I don't care how depressed you are you wouldn't just go to stand-by mode for hours
>was the angel attack in the first episode an actual first attack outside of the second impact. Fricking convenient that Shinji appeared right then and there
>why build a city on top of the one thing angels want?
>why do other countries have EVAs when angels only attack Tokyo 3?
>post-apocalyptic world with limited resources but they have the means to build skyscrapers that are also briefcases for giant assault rifles
>who the frick even predicted angels attack and the need to build EVAs?
>the whole plot with Kaji was just random. Why kidnap that guy for some random ass questioning by people he is supposed to answer to anyway? And the questioning is just so we can have flashbacks to shit that isn't relevent to people doing the questioning. They could've called that guy for a talk like they did to Ikari. Then Kaji gets killed for those actions, but by who? SEELE? Ikari? They're the ones that told him to do it and they're suppose to be in charge. I'm pretty sure even Anno doesn't know who killed him or why. He just needed another character having an emotional breakdown scene.
>camera just pans across a still image of cigarette butts while characters scream random techno babble about AR fields and plugs like we are suppose to know what the frick any of that shit is or care about alignment or S2 engines or whatever
>Ikari just sits in his chair for 99% of the show, talking cryptic meaningless shit about instrumentality and everything is going according to plan and other random biblical words that sound vaguely cool the writer picked out of a hat
>apparently Ikari and Ritsuko were fricking, yet I struggle to remember if they had scenes together before that reveal
>is the design of the angels suppose to be so wackily absurd like bringing biblical deciptions of angels on screen or did they run out of ideas and money by the 6th episode and we have act like a while circle in the sky is deep?
>Kaworu's monologues are GIBBERISH that should like be profound and deep if you're Kojima with brain damage
>>why do other countries have EVAs when angels only attack Tokyo 3?
I assume there's a really good answer for this but this suddenly feels like a fricking huge plot hole
Other nations want them because they're really powerful weapon systems. Having a working Eva means you're on the top of the pile militarily. Defensively as long as you can keep them powered the AT Field renders them basically impervious to entire conventional armies. Even with the 5 minute limit one could destroy an entire carrier group or land force before needing to be recharged. Everyone is so shit scared of them they had every country with them sign the "Vatican Treaty" that limits any country to no more than 3 functional EVA's. Pretty sure it gets brought up in the episode where the one American Eva blows up all of Nevada when they try and turn in its cool perpetual energy engine.
The answer to this is obvious and simple, and it's because they keep shit in the basement that the Angels are going after. Functionally no different to setting up any other sort of fortified line. You want the enemy to attack there, so that's where you signal them to attack. Otherwise they'd just be scattering across the world causing needless havoc.
Right but isn't Asuka supposed to be an experienced and confident pilot? Where did she get experience from?
>Right but isn't Asuka supposed to be an experienced and confident pilot? Where did she get experience from?
She's not really experienced, she's just very thoroughly trained 13/14-year-old.
It's like being a great shot on the rifle range (maybe not even a real one, but a VR one), able to field strip your weapon blindfolded, and suddenly finding yourself in the middle of a blood-drenched battlefield.
Asuka had... book learning.
>why is this so highly rated?
It's the weeb equivalent of a Nolan film. There are a bunch of christan references throughout that one can theoretically miss. So not missing them makes the weeb feel super smart and euphoric.
Also, the ending makes an attempt at nuance and depth which is revolutionary compared to your average weebshit.
>There are a bunch of christan references throughout that one can theoretically miss.
Except the Christian stuff is "looks and sounds cool". It's not actually meaningful.
Eva is a rollercoaster that depressed losers want to be transcendent.
It's not, which is why Shinji's actual waifu is Mari, a stand-in for Anno's wife.
>the girl that entered his life
>after the VAs rejected his advances
>after he became rich
Anno was always just talking about himself, and the losers though it was about them andtheir western culture.
>Except the Christian stuff is "looks and sounds cool". It's not actually meaningful.
This is actually mostly just a myth that stems from pic related interview being taken out of context. He's talking to a class of young elementary school children. Also, just the very fact that the Dead Sea Scrolls were mentioned along with the Lance of Longinus (it's function and nature amalgamated from Parsifal/Perceval) shows that Anno put more thought and research into the show than "it just sounds cool". There's also the Kubrick comparisons to be made in several areas.
It's just quick references, Anon. He wasn't crafting this massive narrative, to cram it into the last few episodes.
>oh that word sounds cool, and I use it
Weebs forget that Japanese people are barely Christian. For them to fill a show full of extensive Christian imagery and symbolism, and have it have very specific explanatory powers over key aspects of the show, in the early 90s, the weebs are moronic to think this. The show was aimed at kids/teens, who if they know any religion, it's Buddhism. There's no reason to assume that they were putting all of the Christian imagery and symbolism in it, for the "true fans", when it wasn't even being made for reruns on Japanese tv.
They weren't making the show for reruns, VHS sales/rentals. You watched it once, and that's it.
Can you put yourself down an endless rabbithole of saying "oh this is a reference to that, because of this image from that episode"? Yes.
Is that meaning actually there? No.
Anno or any of the people creating this, were Christian theologians or experts. If they were going to be putting that meaning in it, they'd most likely get things way wrong, and what would be there would be an absolute mess or incredibly basic.
I can't believe we're still having this argument almost 30 years later. Stop looking at things backwards, you need to look at things in the way they were made, by the people who made them, in the culture they were made in. Not from our western perspective, being put into it all.
I never doubted that Japanese creators just look up alchemy or Gnosticism for cool sounding names wherever they can, but Anno isn't necessarily one of them (at least not to that extent). They did a lot of homework for this show. How they ended up putting that to use is another thing. I say that as a Cathocuck. I'm well aware of the rather blasphemous nature of the show especially given once you do actually read into the production and obtain behind the scenes content it all rather crystalizes to you like any other production you research. The murkiness and perceived depth all kind of goes away when you lay at all bare in the plans.
>but Anno isn't necessarily one of them
>They did a lot of homework for this show
Nah. See:
It was being made up as they went, and changed their mind half way through, because of a book that Anno was given.
>How they ended up putting that to use is another thing
"This looks cool." "That sounds complex."
>The murkiness and perceived depth all kind of goes away when you lay at all bare in the plans
Glad you finally agree with me.
Literally and unironically. Can you draw parallels and find references in the original Godzilla movie, that can suggest that Godzilla is a punishment for the Japanese war crimes of WW2? Yes. Was that part of the actual narrative? Unlikely, due to the fact that people didn't really know about them, and a low budget production company was already pushing the boundaries of what the public found tasteful, when talking about nukes and fishermen.
Just because you can force a meaning, doesn't mean it has the meaning. Otherwise you're just like the woke feminist and race communists applying "sexist" and "racist" through their woke lens.
And you'll open the door to AI art dominating everything.
But you "Death Of The Author"gays don't actually want to find truth, you want to be right. Which is why you throw out anything that would provide truth, and stick to subjective arguments.
>But you "Death Of The Author"gays don't actually want to find truth, you want to be right. Which is why you throw out anything that would provide truth, and stick to subjective arguments.
Art has nothing to do with truth. If you want truth, go waste time in the philosophy department. Art is about emotion, just that. Whether or not that emotion was meant or not by the author is not relevant. A wonky 90's Japanese cartoon show can spark emotion to a kid watching it for the first time, lying in front of a small TV in a corner of his bedroom, and completely different emotions decades later as he's already middle aged re-watching the show and remembering all that.
That is why the person experiencing the art is far more important than the author. The emotion (and with it, the meaning) is in us, not in the art piece itself, and certainly not with the author.
>an artwork only has the meaning (or lack thereof) the author put into it
yawn
>after the VAs rejected his advances
isn't this just a rumor with no actual source?
I mean I'd believe it but still
Even-jelly-on is shit and is only loved by waifu gays and morons. Morons that think there is depth, meaning, or some greater reasoning behind the plot when it's really just diarrhea of religious imagery and basic philosophy.
I liked it while it was a straightforward deconstruction of the mecha/kaiju genres with a monster of the week format but it's pretty clear there's a point where they ran out of budget/time and the show turns into a slideshow with voiceovers where not much can happen so they don't have to animate it. This is why it's important to have a pretty strict delineation with a defined beginning middle and end that accounts for your available resources before you even begin creating something so you don't get stuck scrambling an halfassed conclusion.
And sure there's the movie but it's just a bandaid, by the point the damage is done and it's irreversible.
The reality is that Anno was constantly changing his mind about how the show was going to play out while it was still being made. If he had a strict outline from the start I honestly don't think the show would be as good. Sometimes chaos breeds creativity and the bootstrap way the show ended being presented with lots of still frames really ended up working in its favour.
Evangelion becomes good about 20 episodes in and then when you think shit is gonna get real it just ends.
The series could have been dragged out for several seasons but they chose to keep it tight despite the scheduling nightmares which resulted in
frickups.
.
>first ending is a no-budget clusterfrick but interesting
>second ending is split into 2 parts
>part 1 is the edgy kino everyone was wanting and waiting for
>part 2 is a bigger clusterfrick than the first ending and a major let down in literally every regard
Eva was good for about 18 episodes, and then just when you think the show is great, they ruin it.
If you like the first 18 episodes just watch some slice of life highschool shit
But I liked the mecha vs kaiju fights. I didn't like the "muh depression" and the speedrunning plotgay shit. Eva is a treat for people who like the pre-digital anime. You can see that it's a 90s show through all of the animation.
Imagine being gay for stinky cat lady Ritsuko and getting cucked by your boss
People want to frick Rei and Asuka. That's it
Maybe if you're 12 years old or a pedo
The development of the Neon Genesis Evangelion series ran close to deadlines throughout its production run. The initial cuts of the first two episodes were screened at the second Gainax festival in July 1995, only three months before they were aired on television. By the thirteenth episode the series began to deviate significantly from the original story, and the initial project was abandoned. The number of Angels was reduced to seventeen instead of the original twenty-eight; the writers also changed the story's ending, which had originally described the failure of the Human Instrumentality Project after an Angel attack from the Moon. Not only did the series suffer from scheduling issues, but according to Anno, despite Gainax being the lead studio for the series, the company itself had inadequate materials and staff for the full production of the series. Only three staff members from Gainax were working on the series at any given time, and the majority of the series' production was outsourced to Tatsunoko Production.
Starting with the sixteenth episode, the show changed drastically, discarding the grand narrative concerning salvation for a narrative focusing more closely on the individual characters. This change coincided with Anno's development of an interest in psychology after a friend lent him a book on mental illness. This focus culminated in the two final episodes which were filmed from a completely introspective perspective. Necessity forced Anno to abandon the script of the twenty-fifth episode to work with a new one. These episodes feature heavy use of abstract animation, flashbacks, simple line drawings, photographs and fixed image scenes with voice-over dialogue. Some critics speculated that these unconventional animation choices resulted from budget cuts, but Toshio Okada stated that it wasn't only a problem of schedule or budget, since Anno "couldn't decide the ending until the time came. That's his style".
Mess
It's refreshing to see so much love for a show where the protagonist is a gay boy
>everyone sees someone they love to lower their AT field enough to be tanged
>giant naked Rei has to shape shift into giant naked Kaworo to tang him
That boy was so gay until Anno retconned it with Mari
>retconned it with Mari
rebuilds aren't canon
uhh akshually they reference the original series directly on screen with clips of teh original series in the 3.0+1.0 movie so it's a canon sequel
totally legit bro
not artificial or contrived or anything
kys homie mari is life
Shinji is prison gay
I'm straight and I would frick both of them. They are basically flat chested girls with dicks
Yui did nothing wrong
When Yui said "All these worlds are yours, except Europa. Attempt no Neon Genesis there." near the end of the film, I clapped.
pussy game must be ridiculous if its worth ending the world over
>weakest possible obvious bait
>217 replies
what in the frick is wrong with all of you?
There's only Fallout, Star Wars, and actor drama threads on Cinemaphile. Eva shitposting is the best we got.
Even if you don't like a lot of narrative/plot stuff of Eva, nge/eoe are worth watching just for peak 90s anime aesthetic
Why do they call it Neon Genesis in English anyway? That's not even the correct translation. The series was always called "New Century Evangelion" which actually makes sense as a title, as it literally means "Gospel Of The New Generation".
Neon Genesis sounds like a modern, kind of cyberpunk gospel. It's essentially the same title only cooler.
Anno told a room full of elementary schoolers that he chose the name "because it sounds complicated"
> 30 year old target demographic
Lel.
I've never liked a piece of media more than I've loved Neon Genesis Evangelion.
The show has a certain atmosphere to it that nothing else seems able to replicate.
The show has a droning, lonely ambiance that always reeks of 90s and CRT nostalgia.
So many scenes of just nature, birds chirping, isolation...
Even if I watch Evangelion today I can still hear the crumbled audio and see the scanlines, nothing else does this for me.
Obviously, I have nostalgia for the show. But something about it brings me peace in this world. Like a time capsule from a better time.
The story is incredible, I think it has the best portrayals of mental illness ever brought to media, at least film.
The way it unravels over the episodes as you're supposed to learn more about whats really going on, the way the characters are developed.
I love how the show focuses on bureaucracy and interpersonal relationships, the tense moments really feel tense.
In Episode 16 when Misato slaps Ritsuko, that was always a stand-out scene for me even when I first watched it, it was tense.
The show can be serious, it can be haunting, it can be existential, but it can also be funny. It has a wonderful charm to it.
As other users have mentioned, it really captures that 90s anime Aesthetic.
The whole NGE is a critique of escapism is such a JK Rowling level of after-the-fact bullshit. The fricking thing at best wants to have its cake and eat it too.
>oh, look how pretentious we are with our christian imagery
>also, here's random ass shots and the main character spazzing out cause of some sideboob
OP I think I found a show more your speed.
There's better writing, more action, and less bullshit in Power Rangers.
I've heard more detractors complaining about how the Christian imagery isn't deep than people genuinely praising the Christian imagery as deep.
>I just tried watching it
Do it again
>>>Cinemaphile moron
Anime website :^)
frick off
>inb4 you missed this and that
zoom zoom doesn't know why Cinemaphile was made! Sad!
>Cinemaphile
It's still an anime site but you have no business calling anyone a zoomer
oh my, did I say something wrong zoom zoom. you seem to think I did... hehe.
I'd lurk moar before continuing to out yourself.
mecha, now frick off to your board for anime
because weebs, particularly the very infantile ones that watch eva, are moronic
Nope. Imagine not getting Evangelion.
Is it just me or is her neck longer here?
>here's your Shinji bro
>Here's your Asuka, bro
My Asuka is a stinky femcel otaku
>and gaymen!
what I wouldn't do for a woman like her bros...
>tfw
It suffers from that standard anime thing of each person having a super secret plan that completely upends their motives to the point where most of their actions make absolutely no sense other than to fool the audience, but if you can look past that then it's pretty fun.
The rebuilds are pointless at best
The only way it could be described as incoherent or having no structure is if you watched only the movie with no context, because that is objectively not a flaw in the show.
Someone told me they loved Evangelion and then found out they never saw EoE, just the show. I sure hope they like it.
ignorance is bliss
Just how much classical works and Sci-Fi did Anno & friends lift stuff from for this series? The Kubrick inspiration is already obvious enough with the camera work and the monoliths, as well as the pacing.
a lot of the foundation for evangelion was already laid from earlier gainax works like nadia and gunbuster
it's pretty obvious that the setpieces aren't original in nge though
the blood oceans and the giant rei head on the horizon are clearly derived from something
>the blood oceans and the giant rei head on the horizon are clearly derived from something
Is the book any good?
What more than that? I'm certain there was more.
I think there was a lot of little things from Sailor Moon when it comes to NERV origins/Rei, specifically the Hotaru/professor Tomoe arc
I've read Anno worked on Sailor Moon in the years before starting Eva, Misato sharing Sailor Moons seiyuu validates some of this
there's purely visual and aural references to the aforementioned gerry anderson shows like UFO and space: 1999. japanese kids in the era grew up and loved that stuff and anno wasn't the only one though
>incoherent
It's not. In fact, the first half is an utterly straightforward homage to tokusatsu tv shows and mecha anime of the 70s and 80s.
It is perfectly structured.
MACROSS>eva
It's just well produced, the story itself is overexposure nonsense.