Cars was Lasseter putting his love of Route 66 Americana on screen. I know lots of people hated it but he knew how to make the concept appeal to little boys and the film dethroned Winnie the Pooh as Disney's biggest merchandise moneymaker.
The first Cars is unironically as good as anything Pixar was putting out during that period. Pretty kino that it's Paul Newman's last onscreen role, too. It was only later that it became a merch assembly line series.
>Nothing wrong with art being self indulgent and not designed by committee for mass appeal.
Wish is evidence of the opposite. Turns out it doesn't matter, what makes something good is not if it was done by a single person or a group.
And they were right to deny her, she came in and is more or less trying to lay claim to creating the origins for a shit ton of Disney movies that were mostly left vague prior to this.
It's not imagination anymore it's.... this..... she's done more to kill the magic than the last 15 years of build by committee.
My guess is many of the newer Asian Americans are different than the ones of old who grew up in Chinatowns and doing blue collar work
The newer ones come here growing up middle class/upper middle class and go to elite schools, and this have no real struggles and operate on a totally different worldview than most of America
That plus growing up often in coastal urban cities (at a time of stark polarization) also plays a role
It's been revived at Skydance Animation. It's being done the same director too: Rich Moore (Zootopia and Wreck it Ralph), he left Disney to join them.
It's officially "untitled jack and the beanstalk project" but it's hard not to see it being him taking his favourite Gigantic ideas into a film. Also hints that the official cancellation reason that they "couldn't make it work" was bullshit. Just a reminder, the film that took its slot was the live action Mulan.
her name is FAWN? Is that her birth name or her new legal name because she was named Kim or Karen or something basic. She's possibly from the same group of sheltered LA locals, like the Primos girl.
Also her idea was probably more interesting than the final product. She had to keep watering it down and basically saying "yes" to what ever the higher ups had asked for before the film could get the green light. They gave her a pity pass because she proved her soul can be sold.
IIRC she’s actually from Thailand. Thai naming conventions are pretty unusual in that people there usually have nicknames everybody calls them by and they may even change those nicknames multiple times over their life. You can often see perfectly respectable people named Ice, Boss, Diesel, Win, Perth, Apple and so on simply because those nicknames are fun.
We don't know if she was the source of the issue, or the Disney Execs meddling with it.
Some of the initial concepts looked alright, the King & Queen being an evil power couple doing a duet villian song, or the star being a humanoid spirit thing that looked like her Grandpa (implying he also probably died).
Making the star a squashy-blob thing feels like the marketing team and removing the female villian feels like something the council of representation likely stuck their fat fricking noses into. Given this, I'd assume Disney is the main issue here, not the Director. This is still partially her fault, as tard-wrangling your Executives is part of the job of a good Director, and she evidently failed fricking badly here. Whether this is biologicial weakness or some social impact of patriarchy, woman are usually really bad at this part of the job - perhaps because it's the part that isn't in black and white, but unspoken.
Apparently it was Disney execs firing half the people working on the project and turning it into a celebration of Disney as the brand it is today instead of Disney's legacy.
>Queen takes the throne >citizens point out that succession doesn't work that way and that she was a Queen consort >no heirs so a succession war breaks out. >wishes start getting used for fighting >apocalypse happens
>prior Disney leadership knew Wish was a bad idea
That is why they engineered a coup and ousted the prior leadership with a whisper campaign. All the other capable people who would have objected to this script saw the writing on the wall and left Disney voluntarily. That's how the brain drain at Disney happened seemingly overnight.
But the most frustrating part is that it didn't have to be bad, and there's nothing inherently wrong with the premise. Just a few story tweaks and it could have been much better.
As every Disney film flops, the excuses they and the media make are starting to contradict each other, sometimes in the same article. >"This movie isn't bad, it's because of negative publicity. But our brand is not damaged by our politics." >"People don't want original movies, but people are feeling fatigued by our sequels." >"The haters are a minority, but they are so popular that they were able to turn public sentiment against us."
The cognitive dissonance on display is more entertaining than the movies themselves.
The original version was fine. The blame is with the writers....
Unless the director is the one who made the changes to the original.
Which from the production notes that have been released, was not the case.
If anything, it sounds like her vision was corrupted by others.
Nothing wrong with art being self indulgent and not designed by committee for mass appeal.
Go broke
Misomuse
Get woke
Ultimately CROAK
Go to /misc/.
Not if it's still bland.
Um, she's Chinese.
The last name sounds Thai.
All of SEA is historically rightful chinese clay
I don't know, Wish really seems like the most committee driven movie so far.
Self-indulgent art is fine if the person behind it isn't lame and gay
Cars was Lasseter putting his love of Route 66 Americana on screen. I know lots of people hated it but he knew how to make the concept appeal to little boys and the film dethroned Winnie the Pooh as Disney's biggest merchandise moneymaker.
The first Cars is unironically as good as anything Pixar was putting out during that period. Pretty kino that it's Paul Newman's last onscreen role, too. It was only later that it became a merch assembly line series.
I watched Cars for the first time recently and thought it was great. Never saw it in theaters cuz I somehow didn't care about cars as a kid.
>Nothing wrong with art being self indulgent and not designed by committee for mass appeal.
Wish is evidence of the opposite. Turns out it doesn't matter, what makes something good is not if it was done by a single person or a group.
Good for her I guess.
I still didn't think it was very good.
>works for Disney
And they were right to deny her, she came in and is more or less trying to lay claim to creating the origins for a shit ton of Disney movies that were mostly left vague prior to this.
It's not imagination anymore it's.... this..... she's done more to kill the magic than the last 15 years of build by committee.
Which is stupid because they're fairy tales. Why try to string together disparate stories. Stupid idea.
Actually that was Disney executives who did all that.
God damn. Did every Hollywood director get turned into an Asian woman?
>Did every Hollywood director get turned into an Asian woman?
Vince was right about asian women
What he say?
My guess is many of the newer Asian Americans are different than the ones of old who grew up in Chinatowns and doing blue collar work
The newer ones come here growing up middle class/upper middle class and go to elite schools, and this have no real struggles and operate on a totally different worldview than most of America
That plus growing up often in coastal urban cities (at a time of stark polarization) also plays a role
Because when push comes to shove
You've got to do what you love
even if it's not a good idea!
Imagine how bad Gigantic would’ve been had it come out.
It's been revived at Skydance Animation. It's being done the same director too: Rich Moore (Zootopia and Wreck it Ralph), he left Disney to join them.
It's officially "untitled jack and the beanstalk project" but it's hard not to see it being him taking his favourite Gigantic ideas into a film. Also hints that the official cancellation reason that they "couldn't make it work" was bullshit. Just a reminder, the film that took its slot was the live action Mulan.
It got canned because Disney found out about giantess porn.
This is the problem with Disney. If you find out about the giantess porn you are supposed to triple down on the movie. it will make billions.
What a bunch of gays.
her name is FAWN? Is that her birth name or her new legal name because she was named Kim or Karen or something basic. She's possibly from the same group of sheltered LA locals, like the Primos girl.
Also her idea was probably more interesting than the final product. She had to keep watering it down and basically saying "yes" to what ever the higher ups had asked for before the film could get the green light. They gave her a pity pass because she proved her soul can be sold.
IIRC she’s actually from Thailand. Thai naming conventions are pretty unusual in that people there usually have nicknames everybody calls them by and they may even change those nicknames multiple times over their life. You can often see perfectly respectable people named Ice, Boss, Diesel, Win, Perth, Apple and so on simply because those nicknames are fun.
We don't know if she was the source of the issue, or the Disney Execs meddling with it.
Some of the initial concepts looked alright, the King & Queen being an evil power couple doing a duet villian song, or the star being a humanoid spirit thing that looked like her Grandpa (implying he also probably died).
Making the star a squashy-blob thing feels like the marketing team and removing the female villian feels like something the council of representation likely stuck their fat fricking noses into. Given this, I'd assume Disney is the main issue here, not the Director. This is still partially her fault, as tard-wrangling your Executives is part of the job of a good Director, and she evidently failed fricking badly here. Whether this is biologicial weakness or some social impact of patriarchy, woman are usually really bad at this part of the job - perhaps because it's the part that isn't in black and white, but unspoken.
I blame the people that gave it the green light at the end instead of sending it back for yet another rewrite.
>the King & Queen being an evil power couple doing a duet villian song
Sounds potentially soulful as frick, figures it never left the concept stage.
I imagine it could have been something like this:
?si=pLE3Qb2jfwA4OOWY
>looks like she's reading off cue cards around the 1:30 mark
meds
Apparently it was Disney execs firing half the people working on the project and turning it into a celebration of Disney as the brand it is today instead of Disney's legacy.
>Ignoring all the times male directors get their works tampered with by execs
Honestly the last paragraph here feels like an excuse to be sexist.
What the frick is she looking at
White men
I just want to know who's responsible of this.
marketing
Do you know how many shitty plushies they can make out of that Star? Merch is all that matters. A lesson all the studios learned from Lucas
Magnifiplushies are selling better that the yellow blob ones. It's so cathartic, bros.
Star is already shelfwarming.
Kids have to watch it first
Nobody's buying the shitty star plush when they can just buy a squishmellow
what, george lucas sold toys not plushies for women.
Jennifer Lee doesn't like romance and didn't want a female villain. All the worst choices seem to have come from her.
Are we sure she didn't want a female villain?
>Queen takes the throne
>citizens point out that succession doesn't work that way and that she was a Queen consort
>no heirs so a succession war breaks out.
>wishes start getting used for fighting
>apocalypse happens
>Magnifico (what's left of
him) gets reinstated.
>prior Disney leadership knew Wish was a bad idea
That is why they engineered a coup and ousted the prior leadership with a whisper campaign. All the other capable people who would have objected to this script saw the writing on the wall and left Disney voluntarily. That's how the brain drain at Disney happened seemingly overnight.
But the most frustrating part is that it didn't have to be bad, and there's nothing inherently wrong with the premise. Just a few story tweaks and it could have been much better.
>Fawn Veerasunthorn
What the FRICK kind of hippie ass name is that
And now it's flopping and is going to cost Disney millions of dollars.
As every Disney film flops, the excuses they and the media make are starting to contradict each other, sometimes in the same article.
>"This movie isn't bad, it's because of negative publicity. But our brand is not damaged by our politics."
>"People don't want original movies, but people are feeling fatigued by our sequels."
>"The haters are a minority, but they are so popular that they were able to turn public sentiment against us."
The cognitive dissonance on display is more entertaining than the movies themselves.
>asian b***h
>can't write a story that isn't her seething at White men
wow shock
why was the budget so frickhuge
The original version was fine. The blame is with the writers....
Unless the director is the one who made the changes to the original.
Which from the production notes that have been released, was not the case.
If anything, it sounds like her vision was corrupted by others.
Be careful what you Wish for.