Every time I'm reminded of this quote I fricking laugh. In my opinion this line ruins Char as a character, because it just turns him into a boy with a mother complex.
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Every time I'm reminded of this quote I fricking laugh.
The entire movie ruins him, Amuro and the early UC.
How is Amuro ruined?
died without children
He and Quattro adopted Kamille in canon
he had sex with a women in the true and honest canon
it's funny yeah, it's important to underline how he never got to understand Lalah as well as Amuro did
you can speculate a bit more into 2 deep 4 u territory, but he gets to have that chocolate in another life
How can you say that when it is meant to be the culmination and farewell to the Amuro-era UC after nine years?
Do you propose another way of showing his cool, masculine leader facade collapsing in an impotent tantrum after being destroyed by his rival he was obsessed with?
>Do you propose another way of showing his cool, masculine leader facade collapsing in an impotent tantrum after being destroyed by his rival he was obsessed with?
Yes, by not doing this.
And doing what instead? To do nothing would have the opposite effect.
Yes but I would have enjoyed that more.
So basically you wish the movie was worse so you, a single person amongst 10 fricking billion would enjoy it
Great thread. OP is a homosexual as usual
>10 fricking billion
Martians and Lunarians aren't real humans stfu
>So basically you wish the movie was worse so you, a single person amongst 10 fricking billion would enjoy it
Yes. Thank you for understanding.
that misses the whole fricking point
yeah by doing literally anything else
>not realizing that Char was always a petty sore loser since 0079
CCA still filtering midwits
>>not realizing that Char was always a petty sore loser since 0079
Being a sore loser has nothing to do with the line "Lalah Sune could have been like a mother to me" the most cuck line in all of UC. Like it's such a weird thing to throw out there as a ton of newtype bullshit is happening and Amuro is fricking his chair like no tomorrow. I'd have been fine with him being petty, but this is stupid.
Did you not pay any attention to the hours of 0079 and Zeta you watched before starting CCA
His line in CCA essentially boils down to him saying "If X hadn't happened Y would've happened and things would be better!"
He did this to justify his rivalry with Amuro
He did this to justify why he wouldn't move on from his revenge against the Zabis to go live with Sayla
He did this to justify why he wanted to send all politicans to space in Zeta without a proper plan
And he ultimately does this to justify why he wants to drop Axis on earth
The line culminates Char's rationale in a way that sounds more personal than it ever had
The entirety of 0079 and Zeta involve him fumbling over lie after lie to cop with his massive daddy issues what the frick did you expect?
>it just turns him into a boy with a mother complex.
I'm gonna assume you've never watched Z Gundam then, since it's a frequent topic among characters.
Good. Char is pathetic.
Only incel loser chuds worship him.
This makes the character.
It recontextualizes everything you know about Char and gives you a look into his inner workings, all facades are dropped in the last moment of his life.
When I watched 0079, I thought Char was a mastermind manipulator who plans everything and let's things play out with one particular goal in mind.
When I watched Zeta, I thought Char was an opportunist who tries to make his way based on chances and his beliefs.
After watching CCA, I understood Char was a sick individual who desperately wanted to fill a void by acting based on a vague set of beliefs, always trying to work towards some larger goal, even when he himself knows it's never going to give him what he most desires.
It humanizes him and shows him as the vulnerable pathetic man-child he is, instead of going the easy route and portraying him as some eternal badass like all the charwank content afterwards would try.
It's my favorite quote in the UC.
>This makes the character.
>It recontextualizes everything you know about Char and gives you a look into his inner workings, all facades are dropped in the last moment of his life.
>When I watched 0079, I thought Char was a mastermind manipulator who plans everything and let's things play out with one particular goal in mind.
>When I watched Zeta, I thought Char was an opportunist who tries to make his way based on chances and his beliefs.
>After watching CCA, I understood Char was a sick individual who desperately wanted to fill a void by acting based on a vague set of beliefs, always trying to work towards some larger goal, even when he himself knows it's never going to give him what he most desires.
>It humanizes him and shows him as the vulnerable pathetic man-child he is, instead of going the easy route and portraying him as some eternal badass like all the charwank content afterwards would try.
>It's my favorite quote in the UC.
It could have done all that without him going "Boy this teen prostitute that i rescued from the prostitute house sure could have been a mother to me." I don't know what they could have said, but surely there was a better line than what they ended up using.
Exactly this. We are all petty creatures deep down and its nice to see someone let it all out at the end of their life with no filters when confronting the man he thought was the one that ruined his life at that moment. Just a final outburst that makes no difference to anything and anyone.
Good post. Exactly why I couldn't stomach Gundam the Origin's Char. Turned him into this impossibly intelligent super machiavellian 8D chess player.
Meh, Origin is a mixed bag but I don't think making him smarter detracts from any of those qualities. One can argue that it only serves to draw out just how deeply troubled he was.
That's the contradiction inherent with Char's character, he's a genuinely talented pilot and brilliant strategist who's also a petty loser with mommy issues.
>he's a genuinely talented pilot
He was already getting mogged by Titans
Nah, it's poorly written slop for Gundam casuals who had nostalgia for 0079. Pure member berries. Yep, Lalah was the single most important thing in Char's life. CCA is no different than Kanto pandering in new Pokemon games.
In Zeta he literally tells Amuro that the only reason he came back was because he couldn't feel Lalah's spiritual presence out past Mars.
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All this lead poisoning you have isn't how Japanese people behaved in the 80s.
>games
Video games need to be a bannable offense in /m/
0079 Char isn't a mastermind manipulator, the frick? He only won in 0079 because of pure luck, he was always an opportunist.
>let's
gms
Wasn’t that line mistranslated and it’s supposed to imply he wants Lalah to be a mother to his children
>ララァ スン は私の母になってくれるかもしれなかった女性だ!
Char says ‘私の母にな’/Watashi no haha ni which directly translates to ‘my mother’. If you take the line extremely literally, it comes out as something like ‘Lalah Sune is a woman who could have possibly become a mother to me’.
Char wants to throw Axis at Earth to:
>Force migration into space so humanity evolves into newtypes (which contradicts the canon of UC thus far but whatever(and also he is someone who wants to use newtypes as weapons so why it would matter to him is beyond me.))
>Force migration into space so the Earth can heal from the ecological effects of humanities industry which is suspiciously only ever mentioned and never actually shown but would still pale in comparison to the ecological effects of throwing a massive fricking meteor at the planet
>It's all actually just a excuse to have one final fight with Amuro because he's secretly a homosexual or something and also mommy issues
Which way white man
No one with taste has ever denigrated CCA
CCA is a movie for casuals. No one with taste acknowledges it.
0/10 bait.
Take your meds, moronic spammer.
It fits his character perfectly though. Also funny how the stuff about him never getting over Lalah to the point of others whispering about him being a e-girlcon behind his back didn't ruin him for you, but that scene did it.
Char has always been a whiny butthole with mental issues
When has Char ever NOT been a psycho pretending to have it all figured out?
You're crying because CCA forces you to come to grips with the fact that Char is actually a pathetic man and not some cool OCdonutsteel ace pilot like so many western Gundam fans perceive him as.
Why do so many people seethe about Char. There seems to be a cult on /m/ dedicated to posting everyday about how he is a pathetic man. Every fictional character has flaws written into them but I don't see anyone else's being mentioned every day. If mommy issues discourages you from liking someone then you are in for a big surprise once you open history book and start reading about every successful man ever.
Gundam is the most common denominator of /m/. It is the most accessible and popular mecha show. There is also Evangelion but Gundam has more appeal to /m/ due to its focus on war, history, ideology, and machine porn. Gundam is also a continuing franchise and Char is at the center of it. He is the central figure in the fight against the oppressive and corrupt Earth Federation, and almost every AU has a clone of him, be it in role or in appearance, which inevitably draws comparisons to the original. He even when he isn't present in a story, his impact still looms over it, such as the currently running Hathaway's Flash movies where the protagonist takes up his mantle to fight against the Federation. One of the most successful and highest production value animated movies of all time is named after him. So naturally there is going to be a lot of talk about him.
BANDAI stealth advertising.
Char is the protagonist of /m/
Char is so charismatic that some people would sooner seethe over the writer than admit they fell for the lies of a man whose entire character is lying to everyone about everything.
But can Char lie to himself?
Chronicle Asher exists because of morons like you. Tomino realized subtlety doesn't work with some people so he made a Char clone that's an obvious and utterly undeniable loser just like Char is under his cool persona.
And that's why he's my favorite after Char.
Meaning: she could have borne my child, become the mother of my child. Weird translation as it was, I didn't think it was so hard to understand but maybe it confuses ESOL types.
If only.
Death of the Author
is a phrase used to defend poor understanding of a work
That's not how it works. You can't claim "this could be interpreted in a different way" after your attempt to blame it on a bad translation (the line is literally "watashi no haha"/"my mother") got busted.
You're a fool, that's not what that line means at all. It's funny that you use that image because you're one of the idiots on this site. Everyone knows Tomino is a freak, that's why you should have known better.
So you wish char was a run of the mill BADASS dood right?
CCA is gay. in my version instead of char saying he wanted a mommy he would’ve said “AMURO I AM CHAR AZNABLE NEO ZEON BANZAI MY IDEALS NEVER DIE” and then done a sick 180 before vanishing in a flash of light that would be super cool
In my version, mind broken Kamille would have been wheeled around in a wheel chair by Char everywhere. Char would treat Kamille as his son and force Quess to take care of him.
Why did you skip ZZ?
My version of Char’s Counterattack (better than what Tomino could’ve ever written).
>two part movie
>first one is dedicated entirely to Char’s return including an hour long scene where he looks directly into the camera and explains every single one of his motives for doing what he is doing before recapping the entirety of 0079, Zeta and also ZZ despite him not being present for the whole show
>everyone is aboard the Ra Calium. Amuro, Kamille, Judau, Kou, Alfred, Shiro (with a mechanical leg), Yuu, Kai, Job John, Fa, Beecha, Elle, Roux, a couple of remaining Ple clones, Amuro’s mom and the corpse of Tem Ray, etc
>Sayla is dating Amuro, No Beltorchika or Chan.
>Quess and Hathaway die in the first five minutes in a waffle iron related disaster
>spends loads of time showing Char being awesome and spouting witty one liners like “It’s time to Char it up” or “Looks like you just got charred” when a suit blows up
>in the final battle, Amuro sets off to fight Char alone. Kamille stops him but Amuro turns and looks into the camera and says “no, I have to stop Char’s Counterattack with my Mobile Suit Gundam alone”
>epic final battle set to a Sawano track
>before Char dies he says something cool like “I guess this is what happens when you blame the misfortune of your birth” before winking into the camera
>Amuro activates a prototype NT-D system and the Psycoframe aura surrounds the entire galaxy. All the spirits of every dead character so far return and merge with Amuro
>”THIS IS OUR GUNDAM… GOING OVER THE RAINBOW”
>kicks Axis into the sun
>returns to the Ra Calium to a hero’s welcome
>a young girl approaches Amuro and says “Mr. Amuro, one day I want to be just like you”
>Camera pulls over to reveal who else but Suletta Mercury
>roll credits
Splendid job as always, Fukui-san.
What is this overcompensating cringe hollywood garbage? I always knew filtered morons of CCA were the real hacks.
he's being sarcastic
most autistic post itt
>Quess and Hathaway die in the first five minutes in a waffle iron related disaster
You've got me rolling with this shit
I don't get it.
>t. clueless
Tomino said for years Char was never meant to be cool or someone you are supposed to respect. The movie absolutely seals it.
>char was never meant to be cool
why do authors lie like this? if he was never meant to be cool then why did he give him a cool red special zaku, a cool nickname, and a cool mask
Char deserves to be laughed at
All masked Gundam characters are losers
Except Harry.
Harry is a sunglasses type character like Quattro and Jamil.
which are a subgenre of sorts of Char clones
Harry in particular is intentionally pretty much the exact opposite of Char
>Harry
>masked
moron.
If we're considering distinct Char subtypes then CCA char isn't masked either and he's a direct continuation of the allegedly cool sunglasses Char.
>Schwartz
Iron Mask
Iron Mask is one of the biggest losers, and he's literally called as such by characters in F91 itself.
He’s somehow even more pathetic than Char and Cronicle combined
Had her ideals realized
Her family's killer is a fat loser
Gets off Scott free and retires with her daughter and fake daughter
The most successful masked character if we don't count mejin kawaguchi
She winds up bound to a wheelchair and in a shortened life span.
But happy and with her family so she won
Zechs
Mr. Bushido according to new materials got with the Gundam he was in love with. Sure, he had to settle with his rival's sloppy seconds, but he still got the Gundam for the fifty years before the guy came back.
>Sure, he had to settle with his rival's sloppy seconds
You imply he isn't happier because it's his sloppy seconds.
Master Asia debuts in a mask
>Kyoji
Char was always a joke
Char somehow forgot about Mineva Zabi.
Because she didn't matter. Unlike Haman, Char didn't need her around to legitimize himself and his government. He was a war hero (twice over) and the son of Zeon Deikun. Not that it actually matters but his claim is more legitimate than Mineva's.
Doesn't he call himself pathetic?
I still don't understand what Lalah meant when she said Char is pure hearted. Did she mean pure evil and it got cut out?
Is the whole story of CCA basically:
>Amuro killed my Indian girlfriend by accident
>I will now crash a giant rock into Earth as revenge
I dont understand it. I felt he got over whatever to Lalah in Zeta the "I came to laugh at you" it was char making fun of amuro for still being anal over the one year war. Char moved on and is looking towards the future but amuro is stuck in the past.
Maybe Kamille getting fricked made him regress but I dont know CCA is so good but its just kinda spectacle at the endo the day
It’s just a front so Char can feel alive again. The first proper conversations he had with Amuro when they meet each other again are immediately about Lalah and space. You can look at it as if Char genuinely wants to help him get back on his feet like Beltorchika is doing but going by CCA it comes off more like he’s desperately trying to relive the glory days and pushing Amuro to be a soldier again. When he finally gets back in the wienerpit and fights, Char says something like “finally the Amuro Ray of the OYW is back” which sorta just shows that he selfishly wants Amuro back to how he was so they can lick their wounds together
Beat me to it. I do think he legitimately wants Amuro to get over Lalah if for no other reason than to help take on the Titans, but he makes it pretty clear that she's a major reason he's still involved.
If you genuinely thought that Char was an aspirational alpha male character instead of whiny impotent cuck trying to justify a rivalry he already lost then you missed the point of Char.
You're just as pathetic as the people who think he's a altruistic, sincere and genuine revolutionary who wants to stick to the Feddies.
I never thought the first one, but I also never thought the second thing. I just thought he fell in the middle with Zeta.
>Amuro's final moments is finding out that the reason Char hates Amuro for more than a decade is because he has a mommy fetish
I can't imagine a worse way to go out.
Except this was always Char? he was always a moron cuck masquerading as someone he isn't, thinking he's ahead of everyone else but then getting assblasted when he tries to pull off something
Another proof CCA Haters haven't watched early UC
Wrong. CCA was not written to keep the characters the same. They changed them to appeal to the movie audience.
>character placement
moron, he talks about why certain characters are absent, not that they changed the characters that are present to fit the movie
>What is reading comprehension?
a b***hcope brayed by pseuds
>he was always a moron cuck masquerading as someone he isn't
The point is more WHAT he tries to be, not that he's trying to be something he's not. Once his Quattro "cool detached warrior mentor" phase failed after Gryps, he successfully LARPed as spacenoid populist dictator, but ultimately couldn't figure out a way to make it work that didn't devolve into colony drops and OYW reruns, as many in this thread have noted.
The big issue is that he's not actually trying to be what he wants to be, hence his need for Nanai to mother him in private, and he's not even sure what he wants to be. He's a man who has worn masks for so long that he doesn't have an actual self behind it.
Meanwhile Amuro is just himself, and that drives Char mad because that's ultimately why Lalah was able to open up to him.
Char would have been much happier if he swallowed his pride and fricked off as Quattro.
am i the only anon that read into this as cope? dude's about to die. no shit he's saying moronic shit. it's not his sole motivation but it's more FRICK YOU AMURO IF YOU DIDNT KILL LALAH THINGS WOULDNT HAVE TURNED OUT THIS WAY
That part of CCA is fine for me, Char having weird unresolved hangups is natural but I think CCA is a bad way to explore those and the actual plot of the movie is a really sad trajectory for his character. You can talk about character motivations and ideals until you are blue in the face but ultimately he is throwing a giant meteor at the fricking Earth.
Finally, someone with a modicum of intelligence in this thread.
Char Aznable was a man who could've been a friend and brother to me. He understood the sadness of loss and the emptiness of not being able to cope.
I wish Char's last words were proclaiming his homolust for Amuro. Shit would have caused such a shitstorm.
Char was always like this
Headcanon. 0079 Char wouldn't have said that.
Char's entire motivation in 0079 is his parental issues.
He's getting revenge on the Zabi family for killing his father, the frick you on about?
>his father
Not enough spoonfeeding?
Yeah, but his mom never came up until CCA, where he was apparently searching for a mother figure in Lalah all along. If this was the direction Tomino had been taking Char from the beginning, he did a shit job of signposting it beforehand.