Everyone who hates on Batman acts like he just goes around beating up homeless people and never saves the city from genocidal maniacs. Why? Cause their retareded and limited view of the world have blinded them to how fantasy works.
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Ok but whenever he beats Superman it’s moronic.
No, supermans main enemy is a rich bald guy with a rock
Aye rich ppl on crack can get dangerous ideas
TDKR probably handled it best
>Superman ALLOWS Batman preparation time
Cont'd
>Superman is holding way back, is weakened by a nuke anyways, and still hurts Batman pretty bad through his armor
>Batman fails to put a scratch on Superman until he's hit with the Kryptonite arrow
Lex Luthor - Man of Steel did what I always figured should happen. Super breath disposes of Kryptonite before it's even close enough.
That makes sense if you're dumb enough to brandish it when Superman is too far away to even be affected by it, but most of the time Kryptonite users keep it hidden on their person or on them such a way that it can't be easily removed (e.g. Lez's kryptonite ring)
I get that, but he has x-ray and telescopic vision. Any time he'd be approaching a criminal or villain he'd have scanned them over already. Oh shit, they have a lead container that I can't see inside? Assume it's got Kryptonite and dispose of it.
But let's not also forget that Kryptonite projectiles and so forth exist
>that Superman should be more than fast enough to dodge/avoid the AoE of
At some point or another you have to contrive an explanation for how the guy continuously allows himself to get affected by Kryptonite to keep things interesting in his stories.
superman is explicitly faster than a speeding bullet
simply putting kryptonite in a human handgun is just going to result in him dodging
metallo firing a kryptonite bullet at superman makes more sense, he can just shoot it faster than even superman can react
but lex using a normal gun requires some justification like the kryptonite being encased in lead
From what I remember, Hush did it decently as well. Overall Batman "winning" against Superman should be Batman surviving long enough to achieve a goal while showing that there is no normal way for him to beat superman in a straight fight.
Funny how everyone and their mother tries to copy TDKR, yet they never, ever actually pay attention to how that fight happened or why.
They see Batman beating up Superman because kryptonite and that's it.
This, someone should make a parody of the Justice League where everyone else is the same but Batman is replaced with Columbo or the Hardy Boys.
the issue with hating most heroes, in-universe or out, or God for that matter, is you should be hating the villains. it's bizarre how easily people are able to push blame from those responsible for problems, to those who "could have stopped it"
do you really want batman swooping in and just executing people on the spot? there's a reason we have a system. the system's job is to execute those people after a thorough investigation.
did the black man on tiktok make fun of your power fantasy
>god out of nowhere
>but also trust the system
if the system is suffering then god is, logically, responsible for everything that happens within the system
or god isn't all-powerful, in which case, it's not god but demigod, at best
I didn't say TRUST the system. If you trust the system, the system will say "phew, I don't have to do anything"
I'm saying force the system to do our bidding. we paid for it, we own it, it works for us.
>god is responsible bloo bloo
no, you are. Anon, are you responsible for starvation in africa just because you don't send them all your money? or are you aware that you would not be fixing the problem simply by fixing their immediate needs. there is no way other than taking over and running things (which.. okay, in the case of africa, we should be) to change something that is the responsibility of the people comprising it.
By that logic, Batman should put all his ridiculous wealth towards pressuring the state into giving Joker and other villians are reasonable punishment (i.e. death sentence). Or buy the fricking Arkham Asylum and make it into an actual mental health institution that helps people.
Which he would do - if comics were allowed to break the status quo. But since they aren't, every storyline pretends like "just force the system to work" is not an option at all, therefore blaming Batman for not killing every villian he comes across.
>thorough investigation
When the Joker breaks out for the 500th time and kills a bunch of innocent people you don't need to investigate you need to put him down like a dog before he can hurt anyone else.
they might just be living in a state with no death penalty
So he should carry a gun
its a personal decision for him not to carry a gun
>batman swooping in and executing random people
No I want him execute SPECIFIC people like half his rogoues gallery
Because they don't care about fantasy, they care about fiction as social commentary/propaganda. Which is arguably the "adult" way to engage with these stories and a consequence of them being advertised as gritty and realistic. A Bond villain like R'As Al Ghul doesn't represent much in terms of relevant real-world threats, so they ignore the existence of guys like him entirely.
>do you really want batman swooping in and just executing people on the spot?
Yes people want to do that if it's people they personally don't like.
Says who? Some morons online who read a bunch of failing comics no one outside this damn website gives a frick about? Touch grass you piece of shit.
>Why?
Because its funnier to phrase it that way. Most people just grew bored of the guy and want to say something even if it sounds moronic.
Batman's a fascist.
>Everyone who hates on Batman acts like he just goes around beating up homeless people and never saves the city from genocidal maniacs.
batman doesnt even beat up the homeless all that much
only the joker really counts, but that jackass wears a snazzy purple suit and drives a car with his face on it, he cant be that poor
>mr freeze: scientist
>scarecrow: scientist
>penguin: old money/crime boss
>two-face: lawyer/crime boss
>riddler: depends on the writer, but see joker: wears a suit, hat, tie all day long, he is white collar
>bane: crime boss
>ras al ghul: cult leader with worldwide assets
>ruper thorne: CEO
>falcones, marones, etc: organized crime
like sure you have actual vagrants forced into crime like killer croc, who is usually depicted as a homicidal maniac who has few work prospects anyways
but there are just as many career criminals who are already rich from crime like black mask
>>mr freeze: scientist
How come Bruce doesn't just petition to have Freeze put on some kind of work release program and then fund his research?
he does that in arkham city
it also happens in batman and robin, movie might have sucked but mr freeze is 100% okay living in jail to continue work on the cure
>The Joker bombed a childrens hospital?
>I will find him and send him straight to Arkham Asylum so he never does it again!
>Joker escapes.
>Repeat.
I don't hate Batman but I can't deny that his logic or morals are bullshit specially in a place like Gotham where insane and evil bastards are always around. I don't like it but some people need to be put down not as punishment but for the safety of everyone else.
>not wanting to overstep his boundaries is bad
he is a detective, not an executioner
>hes not an executioner
He literally used to carry a strap until they turned him child friendly
he used a gun exactly once on a vampire
and not because he liked guns, it was just the most convenient way to deliver silver bullets
in any case, his violent phase literally lasted less than a year and has as much relevance as superman not being able to fly
Batmans whole thing is being violent, he just prefers to use throwing knives, explosives, and other random shit instead of something that would actually be useful, I can understand not wanting to shoot a random goon but why not zazz
Couldn't he just hit the Joker really hard on the back of his head so he ends up paralysed? Technically he is still alive but in vegetative state.
I think it's just people applying the idea of a masked vigilante to real life. Supervillains generally aren't real, so the only people Batman would really be fighting by patrolling the street at night are petty criminals. Sure, occasionally he might save someone from the occasional rapist or violent mugger, but a lot of the people he'd be fighting would be people down on their luck just trying to survive, or mentally ill/drug addicted homeless people who clearly need help to get their life in order that beating them up and throwing sharp objects at them wouldn't accompish.
So yeah, in the context of a fantasy story with actual villains he can fight, it's a pretty moronic complaint. It mostly functions to critique irl vigilantism using Batman as a convenient reference.
I think a guy flying down in a bat costume won't fix your problems but it would sure as hell scare you out of attempting to commit another crime
Not if you're a mentally ill homeless person it wouldn't, it'd probably just make them more mentally ill and violent in response.
If people aren't already afraid of getting gunned down by the cops or anyone else before they commit a crime, I doubt they'd care if some weirdo in a costume beats them up. It's what makes the mythos of Batman not work. If the threat of death or life in prison doesn't scare them off from crime already, why would Batman?
A lot of these memers forget that Batman was created BY the villains of Gotham. He didn't create his villains. Before you say "Joker", he was a villain still before his transformation.
I never understood why people get mad that Batman doesn't kill. HE DOESN'T HAVE TO! IT'S NOT HIS RESPONSIBILITY! BEING BATMAN IS VOLUNTEER WORK! NOT HIS FRICKING JOB!
He's just here to perform citizens' arrests. Why does it fall to Batman to stain his hands with blood just because Arkham security is crap?
its easier to blame batman for not killing than it is to blame GPD for being corrupt
Is there any law against people helping villains? I doubt that the joker builds all his traps and bases.
I hate him because for a supposedly normal human his moronic fans unironically believe he is some kind of god that can solve any problem with prep time.
The superman Vs Batman debate is just a easy example of this. For Batman having to fight Superman should be the absolute worst case scenario, something that if he wins it should be by the skin of his teeth.
But moronic Batgays think he is a psychopath who is always thinking on new ways of killing his friends and family, so Batman would always win against any superhero no diff.
batman was originally a guy with gadgets at the start. thats why he was a rich man and it made sense. it made him cool. the idea that he has a gadget for most situations is funny but its a comic book, if hes meant to be an inspector gadget character/street fighter champion so what. its just comics. the most popular guy always wins because the fans want it that way. a regular hood or a demigod could kill batman but they wont.
batman is great at saving innocents from muggers, stopping organized crime, and keeping the supervillains at bay. pretending like a ninja detective is going to stop crime wholesale is moronic, its like saying the swat should be able to wipe out crime in a matter of time. crime is too widespread and prevalent to change it, and wayne isnt rich enough to change the entire city. I dont care if his family were doctors who owned a billion dollar tech company or whatever, elon musk cant do shit either but make halfway decent hybrid cars.
Batman works from both ends to fight crime: he beats the shit out of drug dealers and works his way up to their bosses. He takes out crime families and terrorists, all that shit, and he does it while working with Gordon.
Meanwhile, Bruce Wayne is creating jobs and funding social programs. A thief in the night is stealing so he can feed his family, or joins up with a gang for the same reason. So, again working with the police commissioner, he removes that need or gives those people other options.
And it fricking worked. Batman WON the war on crime. He beat the crime families. The only ones left are the super-crooks and low-level gangsters, which are always going to be around in some form or another.
>The only ones left are the super-crooks and low-level gangsters
And secret societes, but those have infinite money, resources, thugs and people willing to work for them. And always return, so in a way they are just a multi-person version of a supervillian.