I mean at the very least Tom King sells and get a low of awards, I have absolutely no idea how Scott Snyder got so much power to retcon half of the entire DC worldbuilding and lore, even Didio had a few beloved comics on his own, even Bendis can claim that.
Why do people waste time with this shit anyways? You know it's going to suck because it's going to be another scummy gimmick to scam losers out of their money.
Tom King is already dominating the real DC, which is the new DCU.
A lot of people are consistently saying Snyder is working on something. Maybe he might just do the first arc of Ultimate Superman or Batman or whatever and hand it off to someone else?
Kinda makes sense. He already rebooted Batman, and if he’s leading the line he has to be doing one of the Trinity. He clearly doesn’t care about WW, Death Metal was a “WW” event that was all about evil Batmen
What's the point of an Ultimate line when DC already does so many alt universe stories already? They have as many alt universe or Elseworlds type stories now as main line ones.
One hopes this results in them doing the Earth 1/Earth 2 thing right. Ideally the Ultimate line becomes the main line while the old universe is allowed to age into irrelevance.
>What's the point of an Ultimate line when DC already does so many alt universe stories already?
DC's sales have been plummeting, they needs to innovate.
That book had soooo much fricking potential. The premise was genius. Re-create the WWII setting/atmosphere by having Darkseid/Apocolypse invade and take the place of the Axis. And then it completely shit the bed and they literally blew the world up.
an "ultimate DC" is pointless since DC mainstream tone and timeline is inconsistent ever since new 52, you need to fix the mainstream universe before trying alternate takes
>not wanting more elseworlds black lable hypercrisis multiverse dawn of ultimate
Shit like this is why no one reads comics, it's so fricking pointlessly jumbled.
I mean, aren't Waid & Mora's books already self-contained on their own canon (World's Finest, Teen Titans, etc)?
Just repurpose that as their own Ultimate Universe.
World's Finest Universe. Boom, there you go.
Also, I actually dig the idea of DC's answer to Marvel's Ultimate Universe offer is basically a light-hearted, sincere reimagining of Silver Age DC, but slightly modernized and easier to digest for new readers to pick up, with some Shonen-esque sensibilities sprinkled in.
It's a better, more creative approach than going for the hack's choice of >Ultimate Universe's dark, grim & gritty aproach, but with DC durr
If true obviously.
What "dark, grim & gritty approach"? You mean the one they didn't do? Ultimate Marvel was like Seinfeld with superheroes. It was the predecessor to modern Marvel where everything is silly all the time and every character speaks in Bendis-speak.
Millar's books were edgy, not grim and gritty. It's an important distinction. And Ultimate Marvel was more than just the Ultimates. You had Ultimate Marvel Team-Up, Ultimate Fantastic Four, Ultimate X-Men, etc.
Plus all the minis.
Man I hate that I've put zero effort into becoming a comic book writer because I had been fleshing out my idea for an Ultimate Superman idea for awhile.
Batman, Superman, and Robin. Batman for obvious reasons, Superman because that can expand into other JL characters the easiest, and Robin because that can lead into all the popular teen heroes.
Start with a young Batman with Dick Grayson as his Robin, then go with a older Superman already married with Lois and with his son Jon as a newborn. You can do a Justice League comic after that, or just a Trinity comicbook, welcoming Diana as a Wonder Woman just to short thereafter launch a mini-series set in ancient greek, showing Diana as a young amazoness, growing as a warrior and finishing with her meeting Steve Trevor in the present.
After that you can set up a Teen Titans comicbook with the young Dick Grayson falling off as Bruce's partner and eventually growing out of his Robin mantle, gradually aging the characters. Bruce would have only two Robins in here, Dick and Damian.
The overall feeling of the universe would be a 2000's comics with realism, but still colorful and hopeful.
I don't know.
It's the same shit as the main universe, but without the bad bits that made Ultimate DC exist in the first place.
It is batantly obvious that, if real, it will be to correct the last 5 years of decisions about Jon and maybe Tim.
>Superman: Clark Kent moved on from the Daily Planet, is now a field reporter for a major international network news channel, secretly uses his powers to intimidate and get clearance to report on stories and locations that no other media outlet in the world has access to
>Ultimate Superman, he's secretly fricking Krypto >Ultimate Batman, he cleaned up Gotham by murder-raping the Joker on live stream >Ultimate Green Lantern, he permanently blinds everyone he fights with green lasers >Ultimate Wonder Woman, she's made out of clay and shapeshifts into a dude for her secret identity, also she's a cannibal, a real unga-bunga cauldron cannibal >Ultimate Cyborg, he's dying of infections because of all the open wounds with hardware jammed into them all over his body >Ultimate Nightwing, male prostitute and street-level vigilante >Ultimate Harley Quinn, murderous ichthyosis sufferer seeking revenge for Joker/wants to frick Batman
honestly it'd be kind of hard to do Ultimates in current year without looking like a Boys ripoff
It's just another universe and Waid was the first person to retcon Byrne's Man of Steel with Birthright so he's not actually committed to keeping things the way they are.
It was but it will never have the same level of impact as it did back then because the stories were told, the whole assholish realistic cap ran its course, the whole thor mystery "is he a nutjob with a belt or the real deal?" went out the window ina real satisfying manner, spidey stuff also was great i even cared for miles back then thats when they could had tackled the whole new universe becoming another thing, but they got nervous cuz what hickman set up was too far spanning and someone simply didn't liked it, so they cut it short, they trying again now its really interesting i guess now there's no one nervous about anything, since they saw throwing a wrench just made everything fall apart at amazing velocity.
Spider-Man was the first, launched in Sept 2000.
Ultimate X-Men launched in December 2000.
Ultimate Team-Up launched in 2001 (I forget when) but a bunch of it got retconned
Ultimates launched in 2002
Back by popular demand, the adventures of Batkek and Fan Favorite Harper Row in... the Dark Dark Multiverse! It's like the Dark Multiverse, but even Darker!
the appeal of an ultimate universe is the opportunity of a redo. origins and retellings of classic stories from a modern viewpoint and free of bad choices made in 80 years of publication like supersons and crisis. this time Batman will kill the Joker.
I don't understand what DC could do that they haven't already done in some form with a book though. Ultimate Spider-man was Peter as a high schooler which hadn't been the case for 40 years or it was never done before since I think Spider-man started out as a college student?
But what I'd want as the first three books and the Marvel books they'd roughly align to?
Robin: The Boy Wonder (Ultimate Spider-Man)
World's Finest (Ultimate Marvel Team-Up)
JUSTICE (Ultimates)
I'm really into the idea of a Robin book as a core title. I think part of the success of the Ultimate U was being introduced to it through the eyes of an idealistic teenager and DC kept failing because they were obsessed with grimdark.
Ultimate DC only works if the Superhero stuff gets sidelined in favor of DC bending itself backwards to be comes a Marvel comic. Its going to be shit. We already GOT Ultimate Bruce in Pattinson's Batman, and the Batman mythos has been done to death. Ultimate Shazam is probably going to be an adult Billy, Bruce probably doesn't lose his parents until he's an Adult, and Clark only works if he's mopey and sad and only fights for hope while crippling with depressinon.
Marvel doesn't really do Elseworld stories, OGNs, or alt reality stuff very much. Everything they release is all set in their main universe basically, and the original Ultimate Marvel stuff was the first time they did that. Even now Marvel doesn't release non main universe stuff that often. DC's problem is that they do that stuff all the time. They probably have over a dozen alt universe stuff going right now. So I don't know how you mane Ultimate DC work if you are already releasing so much non main DC universe books already. I don't know what the hook is.
Marvel's What If comics used to be a fun take back in the day, even if they almost always ended in Bad Ends.
But then they decided to start linking them one way or another or flat out using their ideas in the main continuity.
August 23, 2004 Feat : Jason Aaron, Scott Snyder, Gail Simone, Mark Waid.
Not a hoax ! Not an imaginary world ! Presenting for the first time a glimpse into the new world of DC Comics ! First up - Superman #1 preview. If growing up black wasn't bad enough, things can only get worse for Cassius Hitchman, when a piece of an exploding planet known only to scientists as Krypton, begin to rain down on projects, hitting him, and giving him slew of miraculous powers. How will fates align to let him survive this one ? That and who, or what, is Kryptonite Man, and what does it all have to do with Lex Luthor ? The richest black man on Earth ! Find out and more, but only in this issue.
>August 23, 2004
So nice of DC to give young bloods Jason Aaron and Scott Snyder such a shot. These guys don't even have published works yet. They're surely massive talents that will put out fantastic work and amaze us all in the coming decades.
Scott Snyder. Ultimate DC? Just admit it Snyder its a scam to get your grubby hands on Batman again. This time with more control. Capullo’s art carried your ass. So when are going to announce you’re teaming up with him again?
You'd think they would have stopped this moronation because it was DilDio who kept wanting to copy Marvel's bullshit.
Fricking hell, just say all the recently gaywashed characters were really the Ultimate version and reload the "regular" universe the way people like it, at this point.
...Again.
DC trying to copy Marvel started way back in the 60s and never really stopped. Doesn't help that a lot of big titles or important arcs (like New Teen Titans or Strange Apparitions) were basically a response to a thing that Marvel was doing.
That's fair, but DilDio openly said he had been trying to chase Marvel's "success", from making DC edgy because of Ultimate to trying to have their own Miles Morales. After getting fricked sideways and throwing all that money away on bendis, you'd think they'd learn their lesson for FIVE FRICKING MINUTES.
Marvel absolutely destroyed DC's market share in the 60s and the early 80s, being more like Marvel was really the only thing they could do to get more readers.
Marvel gradually started doing better than DC in the 60s but they never truly destroyed DC's market share in that decade like the myths would have you believe. Marvel started taking over the market share in maybe the 70s at the earliest
This will be a spectacular train wreck.
Snyder's try hard grimdark bullshit will generate a couple of shock headlines on the websites that care about cape books. Cinemaphile will hoot like angry apes as usual, and then the line will die off in 18 months.
I kinda don't expect it to be such a big deal, isn't everyone just too tired of gimmicks at this point? Between 2000s edge and more recent woke garbage.
They tired to do Ultimate line twice already. Earth One (which was great idea but fell flat because of some writing and how late books took) and All Star (which yeah is different but it was DC answer).
>by Scott Snyder
It's shit
Oh okay
We'll put Tom King in charge instead.
I mean at the very least Tom King sells and get a low of awards, I have absolutely no idea how Scott Snyder got so much power to retcon half of the entire DC worldbuilding and lore, even Didio had a few beloved comics on his own, even Bendis can claim that.
because Snyder also sells a frickton
>Do you want AIDS of Cancer?
What it feels like being a DC fan today
Why do people waste time with this shit anyways? You know it's going to suck because it's going to be another scummy gimmick to scam losers out of their money.
Tom King is already dominating the real DC, which is the new DCU.
If it happens it won't include Snyder, he's only doing creator owned for at least the next few years.
A lot of people are consistently saying Snyder is working on something. Maybe he might just do the first arc of Ultimate Superman or Batman or whatever and hand it off to someone else?
Someone who knows Scott in real life said it was something Superman related.
Who knows.
Kinda makes sense. He already rebooted Batman, and if he’s leading the line he has to be doing one of the Trinity. He clearly doesn’t care about WW, Death Metal was a “WW” event that was all about evil Batmen
bruh he's only writing comics not drawing them, and he's not particularly deep. Probably takes him like a day to hash out a script if that.
What's the point of an Ultimate line when DC already does so many alt universe stories already? They have as many alt universe or Elseworlds type stories now as main line ones.
One hopes this results in them doing the Earth 1/Earth 2 thing right. Ideally the Ultimate line becomes the main line while the old universe is allowed to age into irrelevance.
>What's the point of an Ultimate line when DC already does so many alt universe stories already?
DC's sales have been plummeting, they needs to innovate.
I would argue the opposite. They need to stop trying to innovate and go back to meat and potatoes for mostly straight white 20-40 year olds.
Man, we already had our chance, and then Robinson left. I'll always be salty about this book
That book had soooo much fricking potential. The premise was genius. Re-create the WWII setting/atmosphere by having Darkseid/Apocolypse invade and take the place of the Axis. And then it completely shit the bed and they literally blew the world up.
Earth 2 sucked dick and those costumes were horrible
Also nobody likes gay Alan
oh god, tom taylor completely ruined this shit
I really liked the start with robinson
an "ultimate DC" is pointless since DC mainstream tone and timeline is inconsistent ever since new 52, you need to fix the mainstream universe before trying alternate takes
>not wanting more elseworlds black lable hypercrisis multiverse dawn of ultimate
Shit like this is why no one reads comics, it's so fricking pointlessly jumbled.
>Shit like this is why no one reads comics, it's so fricking pointlessly jumbled
Because it’s pointless fanfiction scam.
More Earth One style books with a new coat of paint
Was thinking this, why not just make more Earth One books instead?
Because Earth One outside of Batman sold pretty terribly I think.
God that depresses me if true. Green Lantern EO was so good
Honestly just relaunching Earth One, while rebooting it and making it monthly releases would work.
A worlds finest universe would be great
No one likes the current Middle Ageverse
What would make this any different than when they constantly keep rebooting the universe?
The same as DC Comics Future State.
DC Ultimate will be just making more characters black/gay to appeal to Twitter (while continuing to make characters in the main DCU black/gay).
I mean, aren't Waid & Mora's books already self-contained on their own canon (World's Finest, Teen Titans, etc)?
Just repurpose that as their own Ultimate Universe.
World's Finest Universe. Boom, there you go.
Also, I actually dig the idea of DC's answer to Marvel's Ultimate Universe offer is basically a light-hearted, sincere reimagining of Silver Age DC, but slightly modernized and easier to digest for new readers to pick up, with some Shonen-esque sensibilities sprinkled in.
It's a better, more creative approach than going for the hack's choice of
>Ultimate Universe's dark, grim & gritty aproach, but with DC durr
If true obviously.
World's Finest is mainline continuity. The first arc of WF set up Lazarus Planet.
>Ultimate Universe's dark, grim & gritty aproach
What "dark, grim & gritty approach"? You mean the one they didn't do? Ultimate Marvel was like Seinfeld with superheroes. It was the predecessor to modern Marvel where everything is silly all the time and every character speaks in Bendis-speak.
>What "dark, grim & gritty approach"?
Millar's dogshit takes on real-world politics.
Which included gay jokes, irl celebrity cameos, and "DO YOU THINK THIS LETTER ON MY HEAD STANDS FOR FRANCE?!"
It was a fricking comedy book!
This is the kind of opinion someone would have if they only read Ultimate Spider-Man.
Nope. Read the whole line and wish I could unread it. See:
I think you're wrong and I even read the forgotten shit like Ultimate Adventures.
Millar's comics were very dark and gritty and Loeb made them even darker.
Millar's books were edgy, not grim and gritty. It's an important distinction. And Ultimate Marvel was more than just the Ultimates. You had Ultimate Marvel Team-Up, Ultimate Fantastic Four, Ultimate X-Men, etc.
Plus all the minis.
And even then, skimming it.
>Seinfeld was famous for its featuring cannibalism and Incest moments
That didn't happen until Loeb and by then Ultimate Marvel was practically over.
hulk ate the chitauri guy in the ultimates though
And it was goofy as hell.
pleb
Hope it’s not too woke
Which Ultimate books would you do?
Man I hate that I've put zero effort into becoming a comic book writer because I had been fleshing out my idea for an Ultimate Superman idea for awhile.
Batman, Superman, and Robin. Batman for obvious reasons, Superman because that can expand into other JL characters the easiest, and Robin because that can lead into all the popular teen heroes.
Start with a young Batman with Dick Grayson as his Robin, then go with a older Superman already married with Lois and with his son Jon as a newborn. You can do a Justice League comic after that, or just a Trinity comicbook, welcoming Diana as a Wonder Woman just to short thereafter launch a mini-series set in ancient greek, showing Diana as a young amazoness, growing as a warrior and finishing with her meeting Steve Trevor in the present.
After that you can set up a Teen Titans comicbook with the young Dick Grayson falling off as Bruce's partner and eventually growing out of his Robin mantle, gradually aging the characters. Bruce would have only two Robins in here, Dick and Damian.
The overall feeling of the universe would be a 2000's comics with realism, but still colorful and hopeful.
I don't know.
>married with Lois and with his son Jon as a newborn
Anon, stop. That is what ruined Superman in the first place.
No more married Superman to worst girl.
And no more Jon Kent.
who's the best girl? his space cousin?
Superman doesn't get married. He pulls pranks on b***hes to get them to leave him alone
Not that anon, I kinda like his marriage with Lois, but fricking hell you're right.
This is awful, it’s the same shit as the main universe.
It's the same shit as the main universe, but without the bad bits that made Ultimate DC exist in the first place.
It is batantly obvious that, if real, it will be to correct the last 5 years of decisions about Jon and maybe Tim.
>Superman: Clark Kent moved on from the Daily Planet, is now a field reporter for a major international network news channel, secretly uses his powers to intimidate and get clearance to report on stories and locations that no other media outlet in the world has access to
that is literally White Knight right now
to a point Old Bruce is going to mentor Clark and Terry is now Batman
Green Lantern is the most interesting hero DC has, so that.
God, what I'd do for Superman's villains.
>Ultimate Superman, he's secretly fricking Krypto
>Ultimate Batman, he cleaned up Gotham by murder-raping the Joker on live stream
>Ultimate Green Lantern, he permanently blinds everyone he fights with green lasers
>Ultimate Wonder Woman, she's made out of clay and shapeshifts into a dude for her secret identity, also she's a cannibal, a real unga-bunga cauldron cannibal
>Ultimate Cyborg, he's dying of infections because of all the open wounds with hardware jammed into them all over his body
>Ultimate Nightwing, male prostitute and street-level vigilante
>Ultimate Harley Quinn, murderous ichthyosis sufferer seeking revenge for Joker/wants to frick Batman
honestly it'd be kind of hard to do Ultimates in current year without looking like a Boys ripoff
I don’t believe Waid would do Ultimate DC. Cmon who else is as committed to the DCU as like a living, ongoing, place
It's just another universe and Waid was the first person to retcon Byrne's Man of Steel with Birthright so he's not actually committed to keeping things the way they are.
Not gonna lie. The starpower so far is better than the new Ultimate Marvel in paper. But it all depends on DC and maybe Warner itself.
I miss the old ultimate universe. this whole Tony is ultimate Kang thing better lead to restoring this universe.
It was a product of the 00s and the 00s aren't coming back.
it was cool
It was but it will never have the same level of impact as it did back then because the stories were told, the whole assholish realistic cap ran its course, the whole thor mystery "is he a nutjob with a belt or the real deal?" went out the window ina real satisfying manner, spidey stuff also was great i even cared for miles back then thats when they could had tackled the whole new universe becoming another thing, but they got nervous cuz what hickman set up was too far spanning and someone simply didn't liked it, so they cut it short, they trying again now its really interesting i guess now there's no one nervous about anything, since they saw throwing a wrench just made everything fall apart at amazing velocity.
>this was considered good art 20 years ago
the longer you look the worse it gets, this is like aislop
it was The Boys before The Boys, it's redundant now
What books did the original Marvel Ultimate Universe start with? Spider-man, X-Men, and what else?
Just Spiderman. A while later it expanded to X-Men and then the Ultimates.
It began with Spider-Man, then it was followed by X-Men, Marvel Team-Up and Ultimates
Spider-Man was the first, launched in Sept 2000.
Ultimate X-Men launched in December 2000.
Ultimate Team-Up launched in 2001 (I forget when) but a bunch of it got retconned
Ultimates launched in 2002
>Klark Kent : Do you think this S stands for France???
>guys our company is a laughing stock, wat do
>...copy what Marvel was doing years ago?
>BRILLIANT
I regret ever defending this dogshit company
No you don't.
Mark Waid's WF books already feel like an Ultimate universe of sorts.
damn wondergirl is qt
didn't liefeld say dc was 100% gonna go out of business or license out their characters like every year for the past decade?
Back by popular demand, the adventures of Batkek and Fan Favorite Harper Row in... the Dark Dark Multiverse! It's like the Dark Multiverse, but even Darker!
Delete the multiverse
the appeal of an ultimate universe is the opportunity of a redo. origins and retellings of classic stories from a modern viewpoint and free of bad choices made in 80 years of publication like supersons and crisis. this time Batman will kill the Joker.
I don't understand what DC could do that they haven't already done in some form with a book though. Ultimate Spider-man was Peter as a high schooler which hadn't been the case for 40 years or it was never done before since I think Spider-man started out as a college student?
He started in highschool, aged out quickly. Read Amazing from the start, it's aged a lot better than most comics.
Couldn't remember if he was in HS at all as so many of his stories from then were him in college.
>rob liefeld
>bleeding cool
I expect it to be dogshit.
But what I'd want as the first three books and the Marvel books they'd roughly align to?
Robin: The Boy Wonder (Ultimate Spider-Man)
World's Finest (Ultimate Marvel Team-Up)
JUSTICE (Ultimates)
I'm really into the idea of a Robin book as a core title. I think part of the success of the Ultimate U was being introduced to it through the eyes of an idealistic teenager and DC kept failing because they were obsessed with grimdark.
The only way this could be good is if they de-homosexual Harley and Ivy which they won't therefore it's gonna be shit.
>inb4 excuses
Don't care
Why would they do this if not to de-homosexual characters?
Expectations: Its shit.
Hopes: Its serviceable.
Reality: Its going to be shit.
Yet they won't bring back the pre-New 52 continuity despite knowing that's what everyone actually wants.
JUST DEBOOT ALREADY
bump
bump
Ultimate DC only works if the Superhero stuff gets sidelined in favor of DC bending itself backwards to be comes a Marvel comic. Its going to be shit. We already GOT Ultimate Bruce in Pattinson's Batman, and the Batman mythos has been done to death. Ultimate Shazam is probably going to be an adult Billy, Bruce probably doesn't lose his parents until he's an Adult, and Clark only works if he's mopey and sad and only fights for hope while crippling with depressinon.
Marvel doesn't really do Elseworld stories, OGNs, or alt reality stuff very much. Everything they release is all set in their main universe basically, and the original Ultimate Marvel stuff was the first time they did that. Even now Marvel doesn't release non main universe stuff that often. DC's problem is that they do that stuff all the time. They probably have over a dozen alt universe stuff going right now. So I don't know how you mane Ultimate DC work if you are already releasing so much non main DC universe books already. I don't know what the hook is.
Marvel's What If comics used to be a fun take back in the day, even if they almost always ended in Bad Ends.
But then they decided to start linking them one way or another or flat out using their ideas in the main continuity.
DC SHOWCASE #1. Superman. 80 Page Giant.
August 23, 2004 Feat : Jason Aaron, Scott Snyder, Gail Simone, Mark Waid.
Not a hoax ! Not an imaginary world ! Presenting for the first time a glimpse into the new world of DC Comics ! First up - Superman #1 preview. If growing up black wasn't bad enough, things can only get worse for Cassius Hitchman, when a piece of an exploding planet known only to scientists as Krypton, begin to rain down on projects, hitting him, and giving him slew of miraculous powers. How will fates align to let him survive this one ? That and who, or what, is Kryptonite Man, and what does it all have to do with Lex Luthor ? The richest black man on Earth ! Find out and more, but only in this issue.
$10.99
>August 23, 2004
So nice of DC to give young bloods Jason Aaron and Scott Snyder such a shot. These guys don't even have published works yet. They're surely massive talents that will put out fantastic work and amaze us all in the coming decades.
It's a stealth reboot.
Scott Snyder. Ultimate DC? Just admit it Snyder its a scam to get your grubby hands on Batman again. This time with more control. Capullo’s art carried your ass. So when are going to announce you’re teaming up with him again?
They did tease a Zero Hour sequel in the FCBD solicits, so odds are they will use that to reboot some of the characters
They won't reboot. Since they just started that Dawn of DC stuff and King is doing his Wonder Woman run.
There will be two lines of comics
You'd think they would have stopped this moronation because it was DilDio who kept wanting to copy Marvel's bullshit.
Fricking hell, just say all the recently gaywashed characters were really the Ultimate version and reload the "regular" universe the way people like it, at this point.
...Again.
DC trying to copy Marvel started way back in the 60s and never really stopped. Doesn't help that a lot of big titles or important arcs (like New Teen Titans or Strange Apparitions) were basically a response to a thing that Marvel was doing.
That's fair, but DilDio openly said he had been trying to chase Marvel's "success", from making DC edgy because of Ultimate to trying to have their own Miles Morales. After getting fricked sideways and throwing all that money away on bendis, you'd think they'd learn their lesson for FIVE FRICKING MINUTES.
Marvel absolutely destroyed DC's market share in the 60s and the early 80s, being more like Marvel was really the only thing they could do to get more readers.
>Marvel absolutely destroyed DC's market share in the 60s
They actually didn't.
1962:
https://comichron.com/yearlycomicssales/postaldata/1962.html
1965:
https://comichron.com/yearlycomicssales/postaldata/1965.html
1968:
https://comichron.com/yearlycomicssales/postaldata/1968.html
1969:
https://comichron.com/yearlycomicssales/postaldata/1969.html
Marvel gradually started doing better than DC in the 60s but they never truly destroyed DC's market share in that decade like the myths would have you believe. Marvel started taking over the market share in maybe the 70s at the earliest
This will be a spectacular train wreck.
Snyder's try hard grimdark bullshit will generate a couple of shock headlines on the websites that care about cape books. Cinemaphile will hoot like angry apes as usual, and then the line will die off in 18 months.
>and then the line will die off in 18 months.
It will last 1 year until it's merged with the main universe in next year's Crisis event.
I kinda don't expect it to be such a big deal, isn't everyone just too tired of gimmicks at this point? Between 2000s edge and more recent woke garbage.
DC is so pathetic. They have been producing some of the worst forms of fiction in the last decade.
Damn I was enjoying Shazam.
They tired to do Ultimate line twice already. Earth One (which was great idea but fell flat because of some writing and how late books took) and All Star (which yeah is different but it was DC answer).
No superhero marriages.
No children of superheroes.
All superheroes are in their 20s.
>All superheroes are in their 20s
Why?
I have no hope for DC or marvel.