yeah gotham as just 'slightly altered american city x or y' is just fricking lame. it needs to look like a modern anor londo and parts of it should be distinct to denote which villain runs the given neighbourhood.
In the golden age comics Gotham was just copyright-free NYC. In fact, 'Gotham' is an old-timey slang name for New York. In modern interpretations it's acceptable to stylise it with gothic romance and a bit of Art Deco, but turning it into some weird dieselpunk dystopia is taking it too far and misses the point of the character and setting.
It is in arctic circle cities and towns. Some of them even have underground tunnels so people can basically get anywhere in the town without having to go outside
I'll always appreciate the Christian Bale movies for not being the cinematic universe bullshit of other superhero movies.
But I can agree to being a better Gotham.
I feel like collectively as an industry they stopped being creative. At this point we've seen everything a thousand times and noone can do anything new rather than new derivations of previous work.
Gotham '89 remains underrated in kino history, outside capeshit. Consider that it's arguably more immersive than Bladerunner '82 and far moreso than '049. It's the perfect melding of a world, score, protagonist. You can smell this Gotham's pollution and corription, it has temperatures from heat vents, even the chemical plant has a relative geo charm. It's the best symbiotic pairing of Batmobile and Gotham too, and the one that shows the art scene, perfect for Joker, and perfect TV newscasters.
In the minority where Batman Returns is inferior due to the circumcision of Gotham's skyline. Had they kept Gotham from '89 but done a sleeker Christmas aesthetic, it may have surpassed '89. Regretful decision. Returns is never immersive, its set never vanishes
Furst killing himself and Burton being given more free reign for Returns really shows; german expressionism inspired Gotham is a cool idea but it feels far more faked than 89. You're completely right in that Returns just feels "smaller"
>rich uptown skyscrapers >then shitty poverty section called the Narrows because it’s so crowded and streets are small >monorail throughout
Rewatch Batman Begins and you’ll notice how bizarre it is when you watch the Dark Knight, and suddenly the same city is just New York/Chicago. Looks completely different.
pattinson did the best imho. it felt more down to earth and not scifi like aflec and bales batmans. but the keenan batmans were in a league of their own because tim burton directed them. you can't really compare them to any other batman because it's like a different universe.
Batman survives shit.
You can't even make a Batman movie without him surviving something no one should be able to do.
No movie is down to earth totally. That's why it's a movie.
Nolan has Ledgers Joker and some cool moments w/ Scarecrow and the mob guy in Begins.
Patton has, far and away, the best Gordon & Alfred. Snyderverse is for jeets & 'mos
It's all down to Burton & Pattonbat
Best Gordon ever. Oldmans is poorly written & cringe.
>Patton has, far and away, the best Gordon
Second Best >& Alfred
5th best
Serkis is the best. Gough comes close. Caine's Alfred is poorly written, incredibly pretentious and cringe inducing melodramatic.
I've never seen snyderverse
Serkis doesn't do anything interesting, has no layers to his character and is MIA for most of the movie. When he IS there, he has no chemistry with Pattinson. Caine actually feels like a father figure/friend, whilst also using the actor's natural gravitas. Irons is in a similar camp to Caine except his Alfred seems more like a loyal mentor in service of a noble house.
Serkis is an overrated actor. His most famous work is mocap ffs. Not surprising when coupled with a mediocre director who has never gotten a great performance out of anyone, he gave such a wooden performance.
Rd 58. It's. Russian rocket engine without nozzle. He's using the cars regular 1000 hp engine to feed the Rd 58 in short burst. It's oddly accurate.
Normally the engine empty is 660 without the nozzle and gimbals and other junk it's 300 lbs. The problem is you need a lot of power to mix the fuel and feed the rocket engine. Look things like the falcon or Saturn five or starship or new glenn or sls.
In theory if you wanted to have a rocket in short burst that's the engine, and that's the proper set up. Whoever designed it has to be a nerd and not gay
I fricking love the idea of batman just slapping a jet engine on a normal muscle car. Makes him feel more grounded, definitely the best part of this batman
>Batman & Robin that low
Reddit midwit take.
B&R is basically a big budget homage to the 60s TV show, it's not meant to be taken seriously. It's pure camp and cheese, by design. You're supposed to laugh at it
TDK is honestly shit. The plot is a complete mess and characters make unbelievable choices. Ledgers joker is less and less impressive after each viewing.
Batman Begins is the best of the trilogy by far and the most rewatchable
the best batman will always be TAS. the real life movie closest to TAS is keaton batman. the only reason bateman batman is alright was because of heath ledger. ben affleck batman was way too much of a comic book counter reaction, and handicapped by being in a snyder movie. robin patterson batman is easily the worst batman of all the above because of a boring, poorly written plot, and his look, bodytype and mannerisms are so far from the traditional character that he isn't even really batman at all. it would have been a better movie if it wasn't made even worse by trying to force it as one.
One thing no one can fault him for was his Gotham, it was like Gothic Architecture mixed with Blade Runner in an alternate reality where the Roman empire conquered North America, very unique, plus the city having multiple layers of elevation like a giant high rise building was kino
It's just stylised 1930s NYC. Towering oppressive Streamline Moderne edifices with Gothic spires slapped on top, which is exactly what the comics looked like back in the day.
One thing no one can fault him for was his Gotham, it was like Gothic Architecture mixed with Blade Runner in an alternate reality where the Roman empire conquered North America, very unique, plus the city having multiple layers of elevation like a giant high rise building was kino
nope, all of those backgrounds were miniature sets and life size sets constructed by hand, also shot on film, now it would be digital CGI soulless slop
nope, all of those backgrounds were miniature sets and life size sets constructed by hand, also shot on film, now it would be digital CGI soulless slop
>best gotham
Schumacher would like to have a word.
What? >Best Gotham City
No it wasn't. It was soulless as frick. The same as the Bale Batman movies.
Tim Burtons Batman was the best Gotham. Pure unfiltered Gothic kino.
I'll always appreciate the Christian Bale movies for not being the cinematic universe bullshit of other superhero movies.
But I can agree to being a better Gotham.
I feel like collectively as an industry they stopped being creative. At this point we've seen everything a thousand times and noone can do anything new rather than new derivations of previous work.
I don't give a shit about that whole image. But Tim Burton's Gotham is pure SOVL
So the image is wrong based on that alone.
Makes me sad that we saw only a handful of films with this sort of highly stylized, vibrant cityscapes during the 90s before it got replaced by the SLICK REALISM meme and mediocre CGI of the xmen and nolan's batman.
Dick tracy and city of lost children are another couple of films from that era that look amazing.
This would never be made today and if it was it would be a self aware fourth world breaking parody of itself, I mean I like the dark knight and stuff but the epic campy Batman movies were so fun
>Burtonbats: Actually captures the weirdness of 99% of Batman comics. Has really no good fight scenes in a movie about a guy fighting evil with his fists. >Nolanverse: Batman is the only one in a "costume", srs and "gritty" but somehow still stupid and silly. Has zero good fight scenes.
>Snyderbats: an imploding alcoholic proves he can also be dull as Batman along with all his other roles. Notably has one good fight scene, in no way saves the endeavor.
>Reevesbats: completely abandons the core tenet of the villains being interesting enough to carry Batman movies, casts an actor the same age as every other Batman actor to play "angsty young Batman". Unremarkable fight scenes.
>Burtonbats: Actually captures the weirdness of 99% of Batman comics. Has really no good fight scenes in a movie about a guy fighting evil with his fists. >Nolanverse: Batman is the only one in a "costume", srs and "gritty" but somehow still stupid and silly. Has zero good fight scenes.
>Snyderbats: an imploding alcoholic proves he can also be dull as Batman along with all his other roles. Notably has one good fight scene, in no way saves the endeavor.
>Reevesbats: completely abandons the core tenet of the villains being interesting enough to carry Batman movies, casts an actor the same age as every other Batman actor to play "angsty young Batman". Unremarkable fight scenes.
The frick you say. It was worse than a 3rd string wrassling show, in near pitch darkness to cover for how shitty it was. There is zero even halfway-decent fighting in Nolanbats. There's a bit of mediocre fencing on a lake, and that's the last time anyone tries to do anything physically interesting through the whole thing.
How you can make a movie about a super-accomplished athlete-acrobat who fights crime with exotic martial arts, and it just ends up being some dope shlumping around awkwardly in rubber/tacticool I dunno.
I never said I liked Catwoman, the only Catwoman that I care about is Michelle. I actually found Hathaway to be insufferable in this, the scene where she’s supposed to break the guys hand by doing a cartwheel was also incredibly stupid
3 months ago
Anonymous
The physical action in the Nolan Trilogy is beyond hacky. It's like they didn't even bother with a fight coordinator and just told the actors to "move around a bit".
There's a decently edited chases scene in TDK, which is widely hailed by midwits as extraordinary, and thew rest of the action is shit.
It's all pretentious faux-philosophy set to an overloud droning soundtrack.
3 months ago
Anonymous
What happens to the guy on the left? Does he slip or did he think they were going to edit in a digital batarang?
3 months ago
Anonymous
WHOOPSY
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, Nolan can’t do fight scenes for shit, I also don’t like how his Batman films don’t even have a fricking Bat-Theme. The Inception score sounds more like a fricking bat-theme compared to whatever the frick that shit was
I still consider TDK and Returns to be the bast Batman films though
3 months ago
Anonymous
shit, wrong one, I meant this
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, Nolan can’t do fight scenes for shit, I also don’t like how his Batman films don’t even have a fricking Bat-Theme. The Inception score sounds more like a fricking bat-theme compared to whatever the frick that shit was
I still consider TDK and Returns to be the bast Batman films though
Never noticed this kek Dream is Collapsing does sound more like a Batman Theme then that slop. Inception is the only Zimmer score I can stomach tbh
3 months ago
Anonymous
shit, wrong one, I meant this
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Never noticed this kek Dream is Collapsing does sound more like a Batman Theme then that slop. Inception is the only Zimmer score I can stomach tbh
You guys are moronic.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I’m sorry the Zimmer bat-theme is terrible
3 months ago
Anonymous
>There's a decently edited chases scene in TDK, which is widely hailed by midwits as extraordinary, and thew rest of the action is shit.
There's nothing more midwit than hating Nolan.
As evidenced by the fact that you think the BvS fight was good. Batman vs Bane in the Sewers and The Swat fight in TDK is better than any fight in any Batman movie ever.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Also you have the BatLarpers in the car park having a messy shootout with the eastern euro mobsters, then the real Batman turns up
Nolans action is great
The hand to hand fighting is cohesive with his greater action sequence directions, it isn't trying to be The Matrix or some super busy Chinese cinema hand to hand
Rewatch the BatLarpers scene
Look at the shots of the dogs taking guys out
Look at batman using a mechanical arm brace to bend the barrel of the BatLarpers gun
Smashing the roof of Scarecrows van with an anime gravity drop
reminder that in batman begins, al ghul's plan is to use a device that vaporizes water around the machine using microwaves. somehow this device can cause water to completely boil in pipes deep underground causing it to explode and vaporize in the pipes and distribute the drug in the water throughout the city.
yet, somehow, al ghul's minions and even batman can stand right next to this device and feel zero negative impacts.
How does a device that can spontaneously cause water to boil underground from an elevated train 50 feet in the air not cause all of the water in the human body to instantly boil, thus killing the person basically instantly?
Nolan is a hack. His movies are terrible. Begins had some Scarecrow/Mob Boss kino and looked great compared to Batman & Robin. And ofc Ledgers performance as Joker (the writing was crap)
Nolan sucks
Good question also if boiling water causes the fear toxin to spread then how were they pouring it into the water supply already, did nobody boil an egg in Gotham
shit that too lol, they were dumping scarecrows toxin into the water pipes for days if not weeks, so apparently no one boiled water for cooking or anything in that time frame.
They would just ruin it, let’s me honest, modern society is incapable of producing anything good anymore, their investors literally won’t allow them to have creative freedom or stay loyal to the source material, which would actually be fine if it was done in an interesting way instead of just
this would actually work with that twilight guy
I just couldn't buy him as Bruce Wayne, too low T
but a future batman yeah sure just look at how low T zoomers are
just imagine how feminized and emasculated the future generations are
pretty realistic
Look at this shit, a bunch of extras dancing coupled with the dullest climactic battle ever.
The Nolan Trilogy is one of the most overrated efforts ever filmed.
I fricking hate Nolan and his shitty gun fights. A couple of automatic weapons would've absolutley dunked on a line of cops. I was taken out of Tenet on that last ridiculous gun fight too. Fricking euros.
Begins feels like it was made by a different director. It's the best of the 3. Not without its faults. But unlike the other 2 I can watch it without groaning and gritting my teeth at the terrible glaring issues
In Begins this felt deliberate because it was "theatricality and deception" at play. When he fights the untrained thugs it's as if he's some supernatural being teleporting around and they have no clue what's going on. Once he fights Ra's, who trained him, the illusion isn't there because they both understand the precepts.
This goes out the window with the second and third film, so in the end it was probably a complete accident rather than a deliberate thematic choice.
He was, he portrayed Batman as he’s supposed to be, a schizo, watch his introduction in Returns and tell me he’s not a great Batman, that one scene encapsulates Keaton’s Batman perfectly
NTA but defaulting to terms like "reddit" make you sound intellectually lazy. Like the people on reddit or tumblr. >Me no like to thinky >Me dislike opinion. Reddit. Reddit. Reddit. Based. Cringe. Cope. Seethe.
This is the ultimate goal of social media. To make you an ineffectual creature of pattern that has default mental responses to stimuli. Makes you easier to control.
I don’t even use reddit, if anything reddit would dislike the Burton films for “taking themselves too seriously!” or “being cheeezy!” or being “sexist” or something
i cant fricking stand the muscle shirt and tights, he looks like hes posing naked with a fricked up layer of crusty body paint on. Is he trying to look erotic? Is he trying to turn me on? Is it working? He's supposed to be some fricked up vigilante under cover of darkness, not a male Esquire model.
>i cant fricking stand the muscle shirt and tights, he looks like hes posing naked >Is he trying to look erotic?
are you new to the concept of comic books?
>Batman Returns had the best villains >Michael Gough is the best Alfred, this is not up for debate >Also '89 has the best Betplane
I would also argue Returns has the best gadgets: Penguin's umbrellas, the Bat Boat, the mechanical paraglider wings, the Batmobile armor, the Penguin's mini arcade Batmobile, the programmable batarang. The Dark Knight gadgets are: gun, EMP gun, EMP cell phone, gauntlet crossbow.
Why is batman's personal arc always such shit? They've never made him an interesting guy with a thoughtful progression. He occasionally gets put to the foil but it's never satisfying why or how he makes his choices.
>I choose to only interact with watered down reinterpretations for the mindless masses >I refuse to engage with the primary texts >Why is the result underwhelming?
So you’ve not read any of the top rated arcs or graphic novels? or are you setting lofty standards no one can actually meet? Give three examples of masked vigilante “progression” that you deem worthy.
Here are the best batman movies ranked
1. Dark Knight or Batman Begins, based upon which day i wake up and say this.
2. Lego Batman
3. Dark Knight Rises
everything else is boomer shit, zoomer shit.
zoomers and boomers so much want to clump that shit tim burton made and that emo batman shit in with Nolans work.
get the frick out of here with that. and Ben's performance is so forgettable i almost forgot to write him off too as a homosexual.
I don't get the obsession with trying to force batman films to be the one capeshit that's realistic and grounded. The whole point of batman is he is a man with no powers in a world of gods and monsters. He has never been a grounded character with stories that could take place in the real world.
It's crazy how hard the Nolan trilogy has been astroturfed because Ledger had an all-time great performance as Da Jokah and sucked the gravitas away from, say, the fricking awful scriptwriting
>avoiding the accusation because he’s been called out
Oh dear or dear. Which part(s) of TDK’s screenplay did you enjoy most, anon? C’mon, let’s hear it.
>Which part(s) of TDK’s screenplay did you enjoy most, anon?
I'm not that anon. Before we begin, list your favourite Batman movie. So we can keep you honest.
3 months ago
Anonymous
1966 obviously. Then Returns.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>1966 obviously.
How predictable is that you have this cowardly opinion? Perfect way to escape any criticism because all of it is supposed to be "intentionally shit" anyway. >Then Returns
Kekw. I think there's one or maybe 2 Burton flicks with any semblance of narrative momentum and returns isn't one of them. BvS has a better "script" than returns.
Wrong anon dipshit, but since you asked >The theme of escalation. The mob trusting a whackjob because they don't understand how to deal with Batman and think they need a counter-measure. Not realizing they're enabling a worse evolution of crime.
It's great if you look at these movies as singular too (which should always be the case). Because these moments feel like they're world-building similar to Batman Begins in that it's showing how a grounded world evolves from a mob-ridden dump to a city infested by terrorists and costumed nutjobs with gimmicks. >The arc of Batman realizing that beyond just inspiring the people of Gotham, he's in a unique position to make tough choices because the good he does is not dependent on public support. >The Joker being completely under-estimated by everyone for the first half of the movie, followed by the ultimate reveal that at his very core he's deeply pathetic.
There's plenty to love about TDK. That's why people love it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Plenty of people in this thread don’t like it so that’s going to be difficult for you to comprehend, especially given the effort you put into two very weak examples. Least you went down swinging. Both of your examples are Nolan’s trilogy almost to the letter, not just on the individual movie basis but the trilogy as a whole: a string set up and a complete train/planewreck by the end.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Your comment is complete word vomit that's saying nothing, but cute that you attempted to be condescending about it. Thanks for playing.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Where did I lose you? All the Nolan movies start off string and descend into shit. As does the trilogy: Batman begins is ok, TDK starts off ok then goes to shit, DKR is just shit.
>1966 obviously.
How predictable is that you have this cowardly opinion? Perfect way to escape any criticism because all of it is supposed to be "intentionally shit" anyway. >Then Returns
Kekw. I think there's one or maybe 2 Burton flicks with any semblance of narrative momentum and returns isn't one of them. BvS has a better "script" than returns.
>lol your opinions are wrong
Well, you sure showed me.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Plenty of people in this thread don’t like it so that’s going to be difficult for you to comprehend.
As if the opinions of Cinemaphileirgins ever mattered.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Your taste in Batbloke movies may be shit but you make a good point there.
The worst part about Nolan's dialogue, especially in Begins, is that every fricking line in the first act is supposed to set up an opposing ideology, and then a rebuttal on said ideology.
Not only are they unbearably expository, but they're written to sound like faux poetry, and when the character arc for Batman is done, all Nolan does is make shitty quips and then do the magical "repeat the line in a different context" so the people with two brain cells go >I remember that line! Now it's used again differently!
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Not only are they unbearably expository, but they're written to sound like faux poetry, and when the character arc for Batman is done, all Nolan does is make shitty quips and then do the magical "repeat the line in a different context" so the people with two brain cells go
The midwit who thinks The Batman is great talking about dialogue, kek. The Batman has far more awful, clunkily written exposition than any Nolan film. >then do the magical "repeat the line in a different context".
It's called dramatic echo. Midwit. Of course, you dislike dialogue with any poetic bent to it to as well. You like dialogue like this. > all this city cares about is rich white buttholes! > This city's angry, scarred. Like me. Our scars can destroy us. even after the physical wounds have healed.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Hate to be the one to break it to you: both movies have shit dialogue.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>The Batman has more clunky exposition
Obviously we're in opinion territory, even with my first post, but I disagree.
The Batman has short bursts of dialogue condensed into monologues, so the actors can really stick a performance while giving some pertinent info.
The rest of the dialogue is short bursts of questioning and observations leading up to those reveals.
Every other line in a Nolan movie is there so another "truth bomb" can be dropped in the next sentence. >midwit
Please tell me you're not the shitskin guy from the last thread. >it's called the dramatic echo
It also happens in The Batman. I love it there. I also love it in speeches, such as Winston Churchill's. But Nolan uses it far too much. >all this city cares about is-
Goddamn one line really mindbroke you guys, lmao.
That's what a black woman in 2019 would say. Doesn't sound unrealistic. >This city's angry, scarred. Like me.
Yeah. That's obviously comic book dialogue, written in a character's journal no less. Read Ego. Read Noel. Read even new comics like Gargoyle of Gotham.
That's how comic dialogue is.
But by all means, here's your time to shine.
Besides just saying: I don't like it, tell me why the latter piece of dialogue is bad.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>That's obviously comic book dialogue
Comicbooks have terrible dialogue. >not the shitskin guy from the last thread.
What? >That's what a black woman in 2019 would say.
Who told him to add average niggress opinions in a Batman film?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Who told you to get so anally devastated over it? It's one fricking line lmao
3 months ago
Anonymous
>comic books have terrible dialogue
I don't know if I'd agree. It's just a different type of dialogue.
But again, yes, if you don't like that kind of dialogue I can see you not liking The Batman. >What?
I guess you're not. Cool. >Who told him to add average niggress opinions in a Batman film?
When he wanted to make Catwoman black and alive in 2019?
Catwoman has been black before, and in a story about money set in 2019, you don't think a black 20 year old woman who steals would have some goofy liberal opinion?
She's literally proven to be wrong IN the scene.
3 months ago
Anonymous
no, she’s not, why do i keep hearing this cope. the movie literally ends with Bruce realizing he has to stop “being vengeance” and instead hand out blankies and bottler water and donate his wealth he acquired through his “white privilege” with to the less fortunate lmao Black Catwoman and Black Empowered Incorruptible Mayor did not have shoehorned dialogue for the purpose of being “proven wrong” lol it was literally there to make Bruce question himself and realize the “error” in his ways smfh
3 months ago
Anonymous
>the movie ends with him realizing he has to hand out blankies and bottler water and donate his wealth to the less fortunate
Maybe you keep hearing this "cope" because you didn't understand the movie.
When does Batman say he's going to stop fighting crime? He said he's going to not be vengeance, because even regular Batman isn't vengeance.
And regular Batman, the one who fights criminals, saves people in natural disasters. Pulls children and women out of floods, fires, and rubble.
The only mention of his wealth comes from the Mayor, where she asks him why he's not being philanthropical, which is something every Bruce Wayne normally does.
She never tells him he got his money unfairly. She never tells him to give it all away.
She asks him why he's not doing what every Bruce Wayne does: being charitable.
Because this is a story of this Batman becoming The Batman we all know.
Catwoman's line >all these rich white privileged buttholes
was directed at the Waynes. The Waynes gave money. The Waynes helped. Even Bruce Wayne, their heir, the rich white butthole she's saying doesn't help, is trying to lower crime rates.
And by the end of the movie, he does help.
I think you heard one line, saw some people's skin tone, and assumed quite a bit.
3 months ago
Anonymous
No, but i presume, not assume, that you are either brown/moronic, or both
>Theme
Burton
Nolan
Schumacher
West
Reeves
Snyder >Atmosphere
Burton
Nolan Begins
Reeves
Schumacher
Snyder
Nolan TDK/R
West >Bat Logo
Burton
Nolan
West
Reeves
Snyder
Schumacher >Gadgets
Burton
West
Nolan
Snyder
Schumacher
Reeves >Villains
Nolan
Burton
West
Schumacher
Reeves
Ayer >Best Bruce Wayne/Batman
Keaton
Bale
West
Affleck
Clooney
Kilmer
Pattinson >Alfred
Caine
Irons
Gough
Napier
Serkis >Gordon
Oldman
Wright
Hamilton
Hingle
Simmons >Suit
Keaton
Affleck
West
Bale
Pattinson
Clooney
Kilmer >Physical Build
Affleck
Bale
Kilmer
West
Keaton
Pattinson
Clooney >Batcave
West
Burton/Schumacher
Nolan
Snyder
Pattinson >Voice
Keaton
West
Bale Begins
Pattinson
Bale TDK/R
Affleck
Kilmer
Clooney >Batmobile
Burton
West
Nolan
Schumacher 2
Reeves
Schumacher 1
Snyder
>>Suit >Keaton >Affleck >West
Wrong. Keaton couldn't move in his suit and the audience can see that. >>Bat Logo >Burton >Nolan
Again wrong. Yellow logo is the worst.
i'd say patman was on par with burtman in terms of atmosphere and set design, everything from the damp city mist and rain to the gothic, dusty mahagony of wayne tower was perfect
also while the theme in burtman may have been the most iconic, the overall sound design and music from the nolman movies was great
i did not care for any of the batlfeck though. not the design with its stubby ears and missing jawline, not the movies he was in with their forgettable plots, characters, and soundtracks, and not the worlds they were set in with their bland metallic monochrome aesthetic and lack of a single memorable location or set.
The Batman is really damn good. First time I gave a shit about the characters.
Nolan is meh, Snyder is ass, and Burton is good for one movie.
Schumacher obviously sucks, and West is kino.
Any time I wonder "do people who call TDK overrated right?" and then I'm hit with threads like this.
Schumacher, Matt Reeves? Seriously? Kek. At least, stick to Burton if you want to pretend you have taste. People who call Nolan overrated almost always have awful opinions on what's supposed to be better.
This. I like Begins and TDK a lot but the batsuit sucks. When I was playing Arkham Knight and put it on I laughed at how terrible it looks compared to the game ones, even the other movie suits look better.
>Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.
thanks for the copypaste i can use in the future, i've been saying this same thing to people but they'll take a quote from some gay more seriously so i'll use that.
thanks for the copypaste i can use in the future, i've been saying this same thing to people but they'll take a quote from some gay more seriously so i'll use that.
That entire quote is Lewis seething because he had been outclasses and outshone by his superior peers, and is leaned on heavily by embarrased children looking for justification. There is no substance or wisdom in that quote whatsoever. It is an empty epithet of impotent seethe, and using it is indicative of an inferior, shrinking intellect.
Comic book flicks should be as stylized, homoerotic, feverish and ridiculous as possible. The best Batman movie is either "Batman Forever" (1995) or "Batman and Robin" (1997)
batman 89, batman forever and the dark knight are the only batman films worth watching. the rest is irredeemable trash enjoyed by morons who also love current day capeshit and starshit.
>Best Batcave
nah, Batflek's cave was surprisingly boring. For as great as the suits aesthetics were, Snyder's take on Gotham and the cave were surprisingly bland. Usually his visual style is his strongest attribute, but this was weirdly quite boring. The Schumacher movies had the best Batcave. Burton's was also good, but we didn't spend much time there
…in bizarro world.
What?
>Best Gotham City
No it wasn't. It was soulless as frick. The same as the Bale Batman movies.
Tim Burtons Batman was the best Gotham. Pure unfiltered Gothic kino.
Meant to link OP
>intrabuilding walkways crowding out light
New York City should have done this.
yeah gotham as just 'slightly altered american city x or y' is just fricking lame. it needs to look like a modern anor londo and parts of it should be distinct to denote which villain runs the given neighbourhood.
>it needs to look like a modern anor londo
In the golden age comics Gotham was just copyright-free NYC. In fact, 'Gotham' is an old-timey slang name for New York. In modern interpretations it's acceptable to stylise it with gothic romance and a bit of Art Deco, but turning it into some weird dieselpunk dystopia is taking it too far and misses the point of the character and setting.
Tim Burton has a wacky aesthetic to it and I can’t take it as seriously as I can with the other films.
You take a grown man dressing up as a bat to fight crime, seriously?
Bro, Most of Tim Burton's shit is indeed too wacky, but his Gotham City was basically perfect.
Try Sleepy Hollow 1999
Tim Burton has an absolutely fantastic aesthetic that works well making extremely stylish movies.
Why aren't walkways between buildings a real thing?
It is in arctic circle cities and towns. Some of them even have underground tunnels so people can basically get anywhere in the town without having to go outside
Black people
We have them in Minnesota since it gets so cold in the winter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyway
They are even my rural 100,000 population county has towns with them
I'll always appreciate the Christian Bale movies for not being the cinematic universe bullshit of other superhero movies.
But I can agree to being a better Gotham.
I feel like collectively as an industry they stopped being creative. At this point we've seen everything a thousand times and noone can do anything new rather than new derivations of previous work.
Gotham '89 remains underrated in kino history, outside capeshit. Consider that it's arguably more immersive than Bladerunner '82 and far moreso than '049. It's the perfect melding of a world, score, protagonist. You can smell this Gotham's pollution and corription, it has temperatures from heat vents, even the chemical plant has a relative geo charm. It's the best symbiotic pairing of Batmobile and Gotham too, and the one that shows the art scene, perfect for Joker, and perfect TV newscasters.
In the minority where Batman Returns is inferior due to the circumcision of Gotham's skyline. Had they kept Gotham from '89 but done a sleeker Christmas aesthetic, it may have surpassed '89. Regretful decision. Returns is never immersive, its set never vanishes
Furst killing himself and Burton being given more free reign for Returns really shows; german expressionism inspired Gotham is a cool idea but it feels far more faked than 89. You're completely right in that Returns just feels "smaller"
Batman Begins actually had a cool stylised Gotham
>rich uptown skyscrapers
>then shitty poverty section called the Narrows because it’s so crowded and streets are small
>monorail throughout
Rewatch Batman Begins and you’ll notice how bizarre it is when you watch the Dark Knight, and suddenly the same city is just New York/Chicago. Looks completely different.
pattinson did the best imho. it felt more down to earth and not scifi like aflec and bales batmans. but the keenan batmans were in a league of their own because tim burton directed them. you can't really compare them to any other batman because it's like a different universe.
…in bizarro world.
Except Batman is a comic character and Pattinson is Edward.
>down to earth
>gets shot with machine guns like superman
>falls down a building and hits a bridge, walks it off
Batman survives shit.
You can't even make a Batman movie without him surviving something no one should be able to do.
No movie is down to earth totally. That's why it's a movie.
Batman: The Moive (1966) mogs them all.
>that movie nobody still alive has seen is the best
Speak for yourself not the world.
I'm biased towards just because I was left alone with in for a few minutes when I was four.
>he hasn't seen Batman '66
Quick, Robin! Pass me the bat zoomer repellent!
Cinemaphile has numerous 50-60yos
It had plenty of tv play up through the 90s.
Irrefutable
it's true!
This is irrefutable.
Basado
It's good but it's no Batman Fights Dracula
I don't give a shit about that whole image. But Tim Burton's Gotham is pure SOVL
So the image is wrong based on that alone.
I agree fully. Burton's was the best Gotham. Hell, I'd hang this matte painting on my wall.
Keaton Batman also had the best Selina Kyle.
Nolan has Ledgers Joker and some cool moments w/ Scarecrow and the mob guy in Begins.
Patton has, far and away, the best Gordon & Alfred. Snyderverse is for jeets & 'mos
It's all down to Burton & Pattonbat
>Patton has, far and away, the best Gordon
Second Best
>& Alfred
5th best
Gordon isn't a Black person so he's automatically last
Best Gordon ever. Oldmans is poorly written & cringe.
Serkis is the best. Gough comes close. Caine's Alfred is poorly written, incredibly pretentious and cringe inducing melodramatic.
I've never seen snyderverse
Lmfao you have to be joking, aside from the raceswapping, that guy literally cannot act for shit, i’m sorry, he’s terrible
Hot Take from a low IQ gay
Serkis doesn't do anything interesting, has no layers to his character and is MIA for most of the movie. When he IS there, he has no chemistry with Pattinson. Caine actually feels like a father figure/friend, whilst also using the actor's natural gravitas. Irons is in a similar camp to Caine except his Alfred seems more like a loyal mentor in service of a noble house.
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Serkis is an overrated actor. His most famous work is mocap ffs. Not surprising when coupled with a mediocre director who has never gotten a great performance out of anyone, he gave such a wooden performance.
I saw him on stage with Woody Harrelson and he was great. They both were so I’m going to have to disagree here.
>black gordon
>bomb-proof young Alfred
>best
Keaton has the best Batmobile
No?
Chud cope thread. The Batman is the best batkino ever made on all grounds.
>best Batman
>best Gotham
>best soundtrack
>best cinematography
>best story
>best costumes
>best special effects
>best fight scenes
Best Batmobile too
Can’t deny that looks sexy
the 60s batmobile is the best one
Rd 58. It's. Russian rocket engine without nozzle. He's using the cars regular 1000 hp engine to feed the Rd 58 in short burst. It's oddly accurate.
Normally the engine empty is 660 without the nozzle and gimbals and other junk it's 300 lbs. The problem is you need a lot of power to mix the fuel and feed the rocket engine. Look things like the falcon or Saturn five or starship or new glenn or sls.
In theory if you wanted to have a rocket in short burst that's the engine, and that's the proper set up. Whoever designed it has to be a nerd and not gay
I fricking love the idea of batman just slapping a jet engine on a normal muscle car. Makes him feel more grounded, definitely the best part of this batman
The engine roaring, shaking and glowing red hot was cool as frick. Really puts the terror tactics in use.
…in bizarro world
Holy based
>I have autism
>Dark Knight Rises in C-tier
Cinemaphile memes aside, that’s a trash opinion
It's a terrible movie.
swap Batman Begins and DKR, Joker and Lego Batman
>Batman & Robin that low
Reddit midwit take.
B&R is basically a big budget homage to the 60s TV show, it's not meant to be taken seriously. It's pure camp and cheese, by design. You're supposed to laugh at it
Only person with good taste ITT
Batman returns is A-Tier. Both Burton movies were amazing.
>The Batman is the best batkino ever made on all grounds
Ya if you're a nonwhite subhuman I guess....
TDK mogs it I'm sorry to say but The Batman is easily #2
TDK is honestly shit. The plot is a complete mess and characters make unbelievable choices. Ledgers joker is less and less impressive after each viewing.
Batman Begins is the best of the trilogy by far and the most rewatchable
TDKR is abysmal garbage.
Wrong
Wrong
Right
Uhh pal you added "The", while it's just "Batman".
pretending to be moronic isnt baiting
Nah, there's too much racisim in it.
Burton's and Nolan's Batman matter, every other one in to the thrash goes
Batman Forever
>Best costumes
>Best villains
>Best atmosphere
>Best batmobile
>Best gadgets
>Best dicky
>Best Alfred
>Best tone balance
>Best dicky
wait WHAT
I watched batman forever last night and it was boring as shit and moronic
I dont much care about any of them anymore but what a ridiculous grandpa opinion to rate any Batmobile higher than the Tumbler.
Tumbler mogs all.
tumbler is cool but it's a bat-tank not a batmobile
Whoa, whoa champ... You gotta be 18 to post here, blue board or not
the best batman will always be TAS. the real life movie closest to TAS is keaton batman. the only reason bateman batman is alright was because of heath ledger. ben affleck batman was way too much of a comic book counter reaction, and handicapped by being in a snyder movie. robin patterson batman is easily the worst batman of all the above because of a boring, poorly written plot, and his look, bodytype and mannerisms are so far from the traditional character that he isn't even really batman at all. it would have been a better movie if it wasn't made even worse by trying to force it as one.
aren't you missing something, the actual kino?
>best gotham
Schumacher would like to have a word.
Irrefutable even in bizarro world.
awesome as hell
Based
Based shoemaker
One thing no one can fault him for was his Gotham, it was like Gothic Architecture mixed with Blade Runner in an alternate reality where the Roman empire conquered North America, very unique, plus the city having multiple layers of elevation like a giant high rise building was kino
It's just stylised 1930s NYC. Towering oppressive Streamline Moderne edifices with Gothic spires slapped on top, which is exactly what the comics looked like back in the day.
Men of taste, decency, and culture.
Movies will never look like this again
nope, all of those backgrounds were miniature sets and life size sets constructed by hand, also shot on film, now it would be digital CGI soulless slop
Makes me sad that we saw only a handful of films with this sort of highly stylized, vibrant cityscapes during the 90s before it got replaced by the SLICK REALISM meme and mediocre CGI of the xmen and nolan's batman.
Dick tracy and city of lost children are another couple of films from that era that look amazing.
This would never be made today and if it was it would be a self aware fourth world breaking parody of itself, I mean I like the dark knight and stuff but the epic campy Batman movies were so fun
>Burtonbats: Actually captures the weirdness of 99% of Batman comics. Has really no good fight scenes in a movie about a guy fighting evil with his fists.
>Nolanverse: Batman is the only one in a "costume", srs and "gritty" but somehow still stupid and silly. Has zero good fight scenes.
>Snyderbats: an imploding alcoholic proves he can also be dull as Batman along with all his other roles. Notably has one good fight scene, in no way saves the endeavor.
>Reevesbats: completely abandons the core tenet of the villains being interesting enough to carry Batman movies, casts an actor the same age as every other Batman actor to play "angsty young Batman". Unremarkable fight scenes.
>Burtonbats: Actually captures the weirdness of 99% of Batman comics. Has really no good fight scenes in a movie about a guy fighting evil with his fists.
>Nolanverse: Batman is the only one in a "costume", srs and "gritty" but somehow still stupid and silly. Has zero good fight scenes.
>Snyderbats: an imploding alcoholic proves he can also be dull as Batman along with all his other roles. Notably has one good fight scene, in no way saves the endeavor.
>Reevesbats: completely abandons the core tenet of the villains being interesting enough to carry Batman movies, casts an actor the same age as every other Batman actor to play "angsty young Batman". Unremarkable fight scenes.
... in bizarro world
>0 good fight scenes
As terrible as The Dark Knight Rises is in some areas, the fight scene in the sewers with Bane is peak story-telling fight scene kino.
The frick you say. It was worse than a 3rd string wrassling show, in near pitch darkness to cover for how shitty it was. There is zero even halfway-decent fighting in Nolanbats. There's a bit of mediocre fencing on a lake, and that's the last time anyone tries to do anything physically interesting through the whole thing.
How you can make a movie about a super-accomplished athlete-acrobat who fights crime with exotic martial arts, and it just ends up being some dope shlumping around awkwardly in rubber/tacticool I dunno.
>he was filtered by one of the most kino moments of any Batman film
holy shit
>you just made a serious mistake
I envy you that garbage like that lives misremembered in your head as Le Ebin moment.
I never said I liked Catwoman, the only Catwoman that I care about is Michelle. I actually found Hathaway to be insufferable in this, the scene where she’s supposed to break the guys hand by doing a cartwheel was also incredibly stupid
The physical action in the Nolan Trilogy is beyond hacky. It's like they didn't even bother with a fight coordinator and just told the actors to "move around a bit".
There's a decently edited chases scene in TDK, which is widely hailed by midwits as extraordinary, and thew rest of the action is shit.
It's all pretentious faux-philosophy set to an overloud droning soundtrack.
What happens to the guy on the left? Does he slip or did he think they were going to edit in a digital batarang?
WHOOPSY
Yeah, Nolan can’t do fight scenes for shit, I also don’t like how his Batman films don’t even have a fricking Bat-Theme. The Inception score sounds more like a fricking bat-theme compared to whatever the frick that shit was
I still consider TDK and Returns to be the bast Batman films though
shit, wrong one, I meant this
Never noticed this kek Dream is Collapsing does sound more like a Batman Theme then that slop. Inception is the only Zimmer score I can stomach tbh
You guys are moronic.
I’m sorry the Zimmer bat-theme is terrible
>There's a decently edited chases scene in TDK, which is widely hailed by midwits as extraordinary, and thew rest of the action is shit.
There's nothing more midwit than hating Nolan.
As evidenced by the fact that you think the BvS fight was good. Batman vs Bane in the Sewers and The Swat fight in TDK is better than any fight in any Batman movie ever.
Also you have the BatLarpers in the car park having a messy shootout with the eastern euro mobsters, then the real Batman turns up
Nolans action is great
The hand to hand fighting is cohesive with his greater action sequence directions, it isn't trying to be The Matrix or some super busy Chinese cinema hand to hand
Rewatch the BatLarpers scene
Look at the shots of the dogs taking guys out
Look at batman using a mechanical arm brace to bend the barrel of the BatLarpers gun
Smashing the roof of Scarecrows van with an anime gravity drop
Pure kino all round
Damn that pussy stank!
Was it nerve gas whiff from her pussy
The truck chase in TDK was kino too.
Missing a couple Batmans and the list is terrible
reminder that in batman begins, al ghul's plan is to use a device that vaporizes water around the machine using microwaves. somehow this device can cause water to completely boil in pipes deep underground causing it to explode and vaporize in the pipes and distribute the drug in the water throughout the city.
yet, somehow, al ghul's minions and even batman can stand right next to this device and feel zero negative impacts.
How does a device that can spontaneously cause water to boil underground from an elevated train 50 feet in the air not cause all of the water in the human body to instantly boil, thus killing the person basically instantly?
Is Nolan a hack?
Ya it bothered me 19 years ago
Nah you are
Emulsion. Humans and salad dressing are immune.
Nolan is a hack. His movies are terrible. Begins had some Scarecrow/Mob Boss kino and looked great compared to Batman & Robin. And ofc Ledgers performance as Joker (the writing was crap)
Nolan sucks
…in bizarro world.
It can be focused right? How I dunno, bullshit science who cares, but I seem to remember that being mentioned.
Good question also if boiling water causes the fear toxin to spread then how were they pouring it into the water supply already, did nobody boil an egg in Gotham
shit that too lol, they were dumping scarecrows toxin into the water pipes for days if not weeks, so apparently no one boiled water for cooking or anything in that time frame.
not interested in discussing how realistic things are in an alternate universe post-apoc game w/ talking mutants and ghouls
>constantly remake batman movies
>no one thinks to make live-action this
They would just ruin it, let’s me honest, modern society is incapable of producing anything good anymore, their investors literally won’t allow them to have creative freedom or stay loyal to the source material, which would actually be fine if it was done in an interesting way instead of just
>how many diversity quotas can we check off!!!!
It would be a steaming pile of shit starting Will smiths troony son or some other brown youngster.
No, it'd be that twink looking fricker from DUNC.
this would actually work with that twilight guy
I just couldn't buy him as Bruce Wayne, too low T
but a future batman yeah sure just look at how low T zoomers are
just imagine how feminized and emasculated the future generations are
pretty realistic
Holy shit you have such a gay eight year olds concept of masculinity.
I bet you loved Batflecks ass
>gay eight year olds concept of masculinity
whew tell me you're a leftist troony groomer in a single reply why don't ya kek
You're moronic and gay if you think Pattinson's Batman was less masculine than any of Snyders weird gay manlet fantasies
A deni vilenousve directed blade runner esque cyberpunk batman kino would be kino tbqh, granting it cast mostly white people.
And yet they keep trying to push Miles Morales in Spiderman. Curious..........
batman beyond is half asian, that counts as white
>batman beyond is half asian
Wrong
TAS and Arkhamverse Batman mogs them all.
I wish the original batman director did a clayface movie. Maybe clayface and Hatter.
Nolan would have done a great Hardack movie if anyone remembers that btas episode.
They should have made a Batfleck movie about his vision of the future in that dust storm
Look at this shit, a bunch of extras dancing coupled with the dullest climactic battle ever.
The Nolan Trilogy is one of the most overrated efforts ever filmed.
I fricking hate Nolan and his shitty gun fights. A couple of automatic weapons would've absolutley dunked on a line of cops. I was taken out of Tenet on that last ridiculous gun fight too. Fricking euros.
Wow that does look like shit
Everyone complained about the quick cuts
Begins feels like it was made by a different director. It's the best of the 3. Not without its faults. But unlike the other 2 I can watch it without groaning and gritting my teeth at the terrible glaring issues
In Begins this felt deliberate because it was "theatricality and deception" at play. When he fights the untrained thugs it's as if he's some supernatural being teleporting around and they have no clue what's going on. Once he fights Ra's, who trained him, the illusion isn't there because they both understand the precepts.
This goes out the window with the second and third film, so in the end it was probably a complete accident rather than a deliberate thematic choice.
We don't talk about the third film Black person
Here, fixed that bullshit for you
Just basic truth there.
Yup irrefutable
Best voice too
Why do redittors pretend Keaton was a good Batman?
Nostalgia. He was criticized for being dull back in the day.
He was, he portrayed Batman as he’s supposed to be, a schizo, watch his introduction in Returns and tell me he’s not a great Batman, that one scene encapsulates Keaton’s Batman perfectly
>he portrayed Batman as he’s supposed to be, a schizo,
Another reddit opinion. I'm seeing a trend.
NTA but defaulting to terms like "reddit" make you sound intellectually lazy. Like the people on reddit or tumblr.
>Me no like to thinky
>Me dislike opinion. Reddit. Reddit. Reddit. Based. Cringe. Cope. Seethe.
This is the ultimate goal of social media. To make you an ineffectual creature of pattern that has default mental responses to stimuli. Makes you easier to control.
You know what I mean though.
I don’t even use reddit, if anything reddit would dislike the Burton films for “taking themselves too seriously!” or “being cheeezy!” or being “sexist” or something
I liked Battinson a lot more than I thought I would thanks to Cinemaphile
burton's has better villains than nolan's
Yeah but which one has the best card?
A BAT CREDIT CARD?!?!?
>look at the tasteful bat symbol
>that subtle non-numerical expiration date
>fatman
>best physical build
Yes.
Affleck is the only actor that had the proper height and frame to portray Batman.
I love Batflecks batmobile
i cant fricking stand the muscle shirt and tights, he looks like hes posing naked with a fricked up layer of crusty body paint on. Is he trying to look erotic? Is he trying to turn me on? Is it working? He's supposed to be some fricked up vigilante under cover of darkness, not a male Esquire model.
>i cant fricking stand the muscle shirt and tights, he looks like hes posing naked
>Is he trying to look erotic?
are you new to the concept of comic books?
It doesnt feel as gay when its a comic book
Snyder has always played into the inherent eroticism and fetishistic nature of comic book heroes starting with 300 and also in Watchmen.
>inherent eroticism and fetishistic
Doesn't exist. Why do gays insist everyone is gay like them?
Why are fascists always so in denial over their overt homosexual urges?
I guess they don't feel the need to take a dick in the ass the way people who don't know what the definition of fascist do.
If you hate fascists you want to frick fascists
>Snyder's arms
Dang he's pretty jacked himself.
Why is he flexing like a homosexual
Fixed
SOMETHIN’ IN THE WAY
MMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMM
>Batman Returns had the best villains
>Michael Gough is the best Alfred, this is not up for debate
>Also '89 has the best Betplane
I would also argue Returns has the best gadgets: Penguin's umbrellas, the Bat Boat, the mechanical paraglider wings, the Batmobile armor, the Penguin's mini arcade Batmobile, the programmable batarang. The Dark Knight gadgets are: gun, EMP gun, EMP cell phone, gauntlet crossbow.
>huge bulky retractable hang glider just materialises out of thin air
lmao did boomers think this shit was cool?
ftfy
>blocks your path
for me its
peter weller was a geat replacement for kevin conroy
Kevin Conroy is horrible, most overrated VA of all time
he was great for a long while but in the later years he was hamming it
I always thought he was terrible, no range, works great for children’s cartoons I guess but not for anything serious
Why is batman's personal arc always such shit? They've never made him an interesting guy with a thoughtful progression. He occasionally gets put to the foil but it's never satisfying why or how he makes his choices.
>I choose to only interact with watered down reinterpretations for the mindless masses
>I refuse to engage with the primary texts
>Why is the result underwhelming?
Is that the director or me? you are alluding to
if me what is the primary texts? zoro?
>what is the primary texts?
If you're really this oblivious, never mind, you're too stupid to understand the most basic of them.
Okay phew for a second I thought you had something valuable to say. Now I know it's not a possibility for you.
So you’ve not read any of the top rated arcs or graphic novels? or are you setting lofty standards no one can actually meet? Give three examples of masked vigilante “progression” that you deem worthy.
This is the Batmobile you will not convince me otherwise
>fat one had the best physical build
I was reading from the bottom up and I stopped there
Burtons Batman film is a mess
driven by incoherent plot, Batman is barely present and does nothing
people need to take the nostelgia goggles off
I watched it for the first time a few weeks ago and it's the best one.
why are the batman movies between returns and begins never brought up in these discussions?
clooney was unironically a good bruce/batman
They're aim is all the same. Which is the reason I refuse to sit down for 3 hours and watch the last one.
>what if batman, but gritty & realistic
Here are the best batman movies ranked
1. Dark Knight or Batman Begins, based upon which day i wake up and say this.
2. Lego Batman
3. Dark Knight Rises
everything else is boomer shit, zoomer shit.
zoomers and boomers so much want to clump that shit tim burton made and that emo batman shit in with Nolans work.
get the frick out of here with that. and Ben's performance is so forgettable i almost forgot to write him off too as a homosexual.
>Lego Batman above TDKR
you bawd
hes a blocky guy.
I don't get the obsession with trying to force batman films to be the one capeshit that's realistic and grounded. The whole point of batman is he is a man with no powers in a world of gods and monsters. He has never been a grounded character with stories that could take place in the real world.
best batman movie
It's crazy how hard the Nolan trilogy has been astroturfed because Ledger had an all-time great performance as Da Jokah and sucked the gravitas away from, say, the fricking awful scriptwriting
>the fricking awful scriptwriting
You don't know anything about screenwriting midwit.
If you’re implying Nolan’s scripts are good outside of lines deliberately crafted for the trailers then I’m questioning your judgement
>He thinks script-writing is all about dialogue
His borrowed from reddit and youtube comments section. Go easy on him.
>can’t speak OR read English
>chimes in anyway
Points for effort I suppose, Jamal
>avoiding the accusation because he’s been called out
Oh dear or dear. Which part(s) of TDK’s screenplay did you enjoy most, anon? C’mon, let’s hear it.
>Which part(s) of TDK’s screenplay did you enjoy most, anon?
I'm not that anon. Before we begin, list your favourite Batman movie. So we can keep you honest.
1966 obviously. Then Returns.
>1966 obviously.
How predictable is that you have this cowardly opinion? Perfect way to escape any criticism because all of it is supposed to be "intentionally shit" anyway.
>Then Returns
Kekw. I think there's one or maybe 2 Burton flicks with any semblance of narrative momentum and returns isn't one of them. BvS has a better "script" than returns.
Wrong anon dipshit, but since you asked
>The theme of escalation. The mob trusting a whackjob because they don't understand how to deal with Batman and think they need a counter-measure. Not realizing they're enabling a worse evolution of crime.
It's great if you look at these movies as singular too (which should always be the case). Because these moments feel like they're world-building similar to Batman Begins in that it's showing how a grounded world evolves from a mob-ridden dump to a city infested by terrorists and costumed nutjobs with gimmicks.
>The arc of Batman realizing that beyond just inspiring the people of Gotham, he's in a unique position to make tough choices because the good he does is not dependent on public support.
>The Joker being completely under-estimated by everyone for the first half of the movie, followed by the ultimate reveal that at his very core he's deeply pathetic.
There's plenty to love about TDK. That's why people love it.
Plenty of people in this thread don’t like it so that’s going to be difficult for you to comprehend, especially given the effort you put into two very weak examples. Least you went down swinging. Both of your examples are Nolan’s trilogy almost to the letter, not just on the individual movie basis but the trilogy as a whole: a string set up and a complete train/planewreck by the end.
Your comment is complete word vomit that's saying nothing, but cute that you attempted to be condescending about it. Thanks for playing.
Where did I lose you? All the Nolan movies start off string and descend into shit. As does the trilogy: Batman begins is ok, TDK starts off ok then goes to shit, DKR is just shit.
>lol your opinions are wrong
Well, you sure showed me.
>Plenty of people in this thread don’t like it so that’s going to be difficult for you to comprehend.
As if the opinions of Cinemaphileirgins ever mattered.
Your taste in Batbloke movies may be shit but you make a good point there.
The worst part about Nolan's dialogue, especially in Begins, is that every fricking line in the first act is supposed to set up an opposing ideology, and then a rebuttal on said ideology.
Not only are they unbearably expository, but they're written to sound like faux poetry, and when the character arc for Batman is done, all Nolan does is make shitty quips and then do the magical "repeat the line in a different context" so the people with two brain cells go
>I remember that line! Now it's used again differently!
>Not only are they unbearably expository, but they're written to sound like faux poetry, and when the character arc for Batman is done, all Nolan does is make shitty quips and then do the magical "repeat the line in a different context" so the people with two brain cells go
The midwit who thinks The Batman is great talking about dialogue, kek. The Batman has far more awful, clunkily written exposition than any Nolan film.
>then do the magical "repeat the line in a different context".
It's called dramatic echo. Midwit. Of course, you dislike dialogue with any poetic bent to it to as well. You like dialogue like this.
> all this city cares about is rich white buttholes!
> This city's angry, scarred. Like me. Our scars can destroy us. even after the physical wounds have healed.
Hate to be the one to break it to you: both movies have shit dialogue.
>The Batman has more clunky exposition
Obviously we're in opinion territory, even with my first post, but I disagree.
The Batman has short bursts of dialogue condensed into monologues, so the actors can really stick a performance while giving some pertinent info.
The rest of the dialogue is short bursts of questioning and observations leading up to those reveals.
Every other line in a Nolan movie is there so another "truth bomb" can be dropped in the next sentence.
>midwit
Please tell me you're not the shitskin guy from the last thread.
>it's called the dramatic echo
It also happens in The Batman. I love it there. I also love it in speeches, such as Winston Churchill's. But Nolan uses it far too much.
>all this city cares about is-
Goddamn one line really mindbroke you guys, lmao.
That's what a black woman in 2019 would say. Doesn't sound unrealistic.
>This city's angry, scarred. Like me.
Yeah. That's obviously comic book dialogue, written in a character's journal no less. Read Ego. Read Noel. Read even new comics like Gargoyle of Gotham.
That's how comic dialogue is.
But by all means, here's your time to shine.
Besides just saying: I don't like it, tell me why the latter piece of dialogue is bad.
>That's obviously comic book dialogue
Comicbooks have terrible dialogue.
>not the shitskin guy from the last thread.
What?
>That's what a black woman in 2019 would say.
Who told him to add average niggress opinions in a Batman film?
Who told you to get so anally devastated over it? It's one fricking line lmao
>comic books have terrible dialogue
I don't know if I'd agree. It's just a different type of dialogue.
But again, yes, if you don't like that kind of dialogue I can see you not liking The Batman.
>What?
I guess you're not. Cool.
>Who told him to add average niggress opinions in a Batman film?
When he wanted to make Catwoman black and alive in 2019?
Catwoman has been black before, and in a story about money set in 2019, you don't think a black 20 year old woman who steals would have some goofy liberal opinion?
She's literally proven to be wrong IN the scene.
no, she’s not, why do i keep hearing this cope. the movie literally ends with Bruce realizing he has to stop “being vengeance” and instead hand out blankies and bottler water and donate his wealth he acquired through his “white privilege” with to the less fortunate lmao Black Catwoman and Black Empowered Incorruptible Mayor did not have shoehorned dialogue for the purpose of being “proven wrong” lol it was literally there to make Bruce question himself and realize the “error” in his ways smfh
>the movie ends with him realizing he has to hand out blankies and bottler water and donate his wealth to the less fortunate
Maybe you keep hearing this "cope" because you didn't understand the movie.
When does Batman say he's going to stop fighting crime? He said he's going to not be vengeance, because even regular Batman isn't vengeance.
And regular Batman, the one who fights criminals, saves people in natural disasters. Pulls children and women out of floods, fires, and rubble.
The only mention of his wealth comes from the Mayor, where she asks him why he's not being philanthropical, which is something every Bruce Wayne normally does.
She never tells him he got his money unfairly. She never tells him to give it all away.
She asks him why he's not doing what every Bruce Wayne does: being charitable.
Because this is a story of this Batman becoming The Batman we all know.
Catwoman's line
>all these rich white privileged buttholes
was directed at the Waynes. The Waynes gave money. The Waynes helped. Even Bruce Wayne, their heir, the rich white butthole she's saying doesn't help, is trying to lower crime rates.
And by the end of the movie, he does help.
I think you heard one line, saw some people's skin tone, and assumed quite a bit.
No, but i presume, not assume, that you are either brown/moronic, or both
No, but concession accepted.
>Theme
Burton
Nolan
Schumacher
West
Reeves
Snyder
>Atmosphere
Burton
Nolan Begins
Reeves
Schumacher
Snyder
Nolan TDK/R
West
>Bat Logo
Burton
Nolan
West
Reeves
Snyder
Schumacher
>Gadgets
Burton
West
Nolan
Snyder
Schumacher
Reeves
>Villains
Nolan
Burton
West
Schumacher
Reeves
Ayer
>Best Bruce Wayne/Batman
Keaton
Bale
West
Affleck
Clooney
Kilmer
Pattinson
>Alfred
Caine
Irons
Gough
Napier
Serkis
>Gordon
Oldman
Wright
Hamilton
Hingle
Simmons
>Suit
Keaton
Affleck
West
Bale
Pattinson
Clooney
Kilmer
>Physical Build
Affleck
Bale
Kilmer
West
Keaton
Pattinson
Clooney
>Batcave
West
Burton/Schumacher
Nolan
Snyder
Pattinson
>Voice
Keaton
West
Bale Begins
Pattinson
Bale TDK/R
Affleck
Kilmer
Clooney
>Batmobile
Burton
West
Nolan
Schumacher 2
Reeves
Schumacher 1
Snyder
Holy shit, that's moronic.
What a waste of time
Cope
Seethe
And also
Dilate
>>Suit
>Keaton
>Affleck
>West
Wrong. Keaton couldn't move in his suit and the audience can see that.
>>Bat Logo
>Burton
>Nolan
Again wrong. Yellow logo is the worst.
First has best Alfred
Dark Knight Alfred is an uppity loudmouth, unbecoming of a butler
i'd say patman was on par with burtman in terms of atmosphere and set design, everything from the damp city mist and rain to the gothic, dusty mahagony of wayne tower was perfect
also while the theme in burtman may have been the most iconic, the overall sound design and music from the nolman movies was great
i did not care for any of the batlfeck though. not the design with its stubby ears and missing jawline, not the movies he was in with their forgettable plots, characters, and soundtracks, and not the worlds they were set in with their bland metallic monochrome aesthetic and lack of a single memorable location or set.
Afflecks Batcave sucked
The Batman is really damn good. First time I gave a shit about the characters.
Nolan is meh, Snyder is ass, and Burton is good for one movie.
Schumacher obviously sucks, and West is kino.
Why does Pattinson looks like the annoying step child who no one likes of The Batmen
Probably projection.
Any time I wonder "do people who call TDK overrated right?" and then I'm hit with threads like this.
Schumacher, Matt Reeves? Seriously? Kek. At least, stick to Burton if you want to pretend you have taste. People who call Nolan overrated almost always have awful opinions on what's supposed to be better.
>do people who call TDK overrated right?
>right
Lmao.
Just he quiet, midwit
>Just he quiet, midwit
>he quiet
Kek, pipedown moron.
Pattinson: best eyes
Affleck: best wiener
Nolan: best cum
Burton: best room
60's; best
Keaton: Best Lips
>best Bruce Wayne
Someone should be beaten
>Batfleck best suit
Batfleck’s suit was terrible gigantic bat symbol
Duct tape.
This. I like Begins and TDK a lot but the batsuit sucks. When I was playing Arkham Knight and put it on I laughed at how terrible it looks compared to the game ones, even the other movie suits look better.
It's fundamentally all capeshit for children. Grow up and watch real films.
>Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.
thanks for the copypaste i can use in the future, i've been saying this same thing to people but they'll take a quote from some gay more seriously so i'll use that.
That entire quote is Lewis seething because he had been outclasses and outshone by his superior peers, and is leaned on heavily by embarrased children looking for justification. There is no substance or wisdom in that quote whatsoever. It is an empty epithet of impotent seethe, and using it is indicative of an inferior, shrinking intellect.
Val Killer was the best Bruce in possibly the worst Batman movie.
It was the best batflick and kilmer was the best dramatic character
But clooney was the best Bruce
Nolan made the worst Batman movies ever and normies are brainless.
I'm an unironic Snydergay and even I wouldn't give the cave to Affleck
Keaton's is elder god tier nothing even comes close
>60s Batman
>Burton/Schumacher Batman
>BTAS
>Arkham Trilogy
That's all the Batman I need.
watched the Burton ones yesterday, still bangers
Not overrated
Here's the objective one.
You're welcome.
>Best voice
>WHADDYADERN??
>I am le epic vengeance
No.
Comic book flicks should be as stylized, homoerotic, feverish and ridiculous as possible. The best Batman movie is either "Batman Forever" (1995) or "Batman and Robin" (1997)
>Comic book flicks should be as stylized, homoerotic, feverish and ridiculous as possible
No and shoemaker movies were boring.
>my story for children must be deep and mature
lol
I accused them of being boring not shallow moron.
FIXED FOR YA
>best villains
>The Batman 2022
nice b8 m8
i love Nolan movies but his fight scenes are often bad. he did the rotating hallway fight in inception with practicals though, so he gets a pass.
1949 Batman is the best.
burton/keaton had the best everything
Batman I'm CIA
>Best theme
>Best atmosphere
>Best Batlogo
>Best gadgets
>Best villains
>Best Bruce Wayne
>Best Alfred
>Best Gordon
>Best suit
>Best physical build
>Best Batcave
>Best voice
>Best Gotham City
>Best Batmobile
>Best nipples
>best theme
>best tone
>best story
>best covers
Bale was a very average Bruce
It's a pretty low bar, but I think Affleck was probably the best portrayal of Batman to date. Christian Bale is highly overrated.
batman 89, batman forever and the dark knight are the only batman films worth watching. the rest is irredeemable trash enjoyed by morons who also love current day capeshit and starshit.
90s batmans had the most stylish and true to source batmobiles while Nolan had the most functional batmobile. Pattinson was neither.
keaton is best
>Best Batcave
nah, Batflek's cave was surprisingly boring. For as great as the suits aesthetics were, Snyder's take on Gotham and the cave were surprisingly bland. Usually his visual style is his strongest attribute, but this was weirdly quite boring. The Schumacher movies had the best Batcave. Burton's was also good, but we didn't spend much time there
Something in the way..
uuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmm
>Bale Batman
>best gadgets
you gotta be shitting me