What about if you’re a self-hating leftist troon with massive racial outgroup preference who cries on social media whenever a show or movie has a competent straight white cis male in it? Is it any good for people like that?
its crazy, my friend said some about "that girl with a tashce" and I was like what? The next time you see her ot sometimes looks like she has a tasche and sometimes like its just lighting. I didn't even notice she was supposed to be a troony.
No, the Vault-Tec corporate exec who proposed using the vaults as lab rat mazes and starting a nuclear war on their own terms.
Also if the NCR cosplay cult leader who led some raiders to frick up the vault just for lulz even though all they needed was the overseer was "a good guy" to you then you must have been watching while on your phone or some shit.
already preemptively corrected myself, if you had a good eye sight you'dve seen that. but since you're a four-eyed chud caricature you missed it, and decided to latch on to the only weak point as a quick win just like i predicted lmao
Moldaver is still a "bad guy". She slaughtered innocent vault dwellers to get one guy.
Howard is obviously not good.
TWO black female characters are major villains.
>Moldaver is still a "bad guy". She slaughtered innocent vault dwellers to get one guy.
from objective point of view those vault dwellers are the psy-op'd, controlled breeding stock of the people who engineered the whole disaster
Arguably the only "Good" character is Wilzig. He's the only one who isn't alluded to killing someone where conversation could have worked, or killing someone because them being alive represents a third party threat.
(Dogmeat killing the other scientist doesn't count)
I don’t see it that way. Goggins is amazing as always and the true protagonist of the show and has plenty pre mutant screen time if that bothers you, frog eyes is cute and likeable, and Maximus is depicted as a completely incompetent moronic techno fetishist virgin.
As for the supporting characters you’ve got chudmaxxed Rico from Hannah Montana who might as well be an IRL /misc/ poster with his investigation and he’s one of the best characters on the show, not to mention teaming up with his big dumb cousin for the investigation, and you’ve got Thaddeus from the BOS who was competent and likeable despite being comic relief.
I don't even care about woke this or that or whatever.... I *literally* cannot comprehend how adult men watch tv shows like this.. Or invest their time into comic book movies and such. Im not even trying to be mean really, its just like I would unironically think this was lame and for little kids even as a 14 year old
I dunno, entertaining shit? I just today I watched this insane documentary about a con-artist than managed to fool the US military into thinking he was some PM guru.
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Ill spoil it if you want, but this shit is gold
This guy ^ does nothing but fricks, stack paper and posts on TV even though he's too busy fricking and stacking paper to watch any TV shows at all. Get wrecked virgins.
I agree with you 100% anon it always used to be as you said, you had to be either 8 years old or a massive loser to like this stuff how any of it ever became so popular in the mainstream is beyond my comprehension.
if you aren't an NV troony or a brain-rotted /misc/yp its worth checking out, especially if you have prime. some characters (the Black person) are kind of annoying
>I love when mentally ill redditors think this elementary tier reverse psychology is actually supposed to work
trannies themselves are the ones that have proclaimed new vegas as "transcore vidya" for YEARS now on Cinemaphile and other places. just because you are ignorant of how the NV fanbase is viewed doesn't mean it's been invented specifically because of the TV show
>trannies themselves are the ones that have proclaimed new vegas as "transcore vidya" for YEARS now on Cinemaphile and other places
man Black person just fricking speak english you weird queer. you reddit experts need to go back
Show is ok, only two blatantly woke elements: the troony brotherhood of steel woman, and the discussion with the overseer who is a blatant 'I AM SILLY AND RACIST!' character to push the writer's politics. But it's funny, because even when attempting to do that he still comes across as reasonable in not wanting to allow open immigration into his vault when we've seen how barbaric and dangerous outsiders are. My main issue with the show is just poor world building, barely mentioning or showing NCR, super mutants, any major settlements, etc. Also the gay Fallout 3/4 depiction of the BoS as religious paladins with over-the-top airships when they should just be a small sect of technology hoarders. Also the main nig was awful and I don't know if he was just a terrible actor or they wanted his character to be inconsistently switching between a goofball moron, a hero, and a psychopath. Overall, better than I expected. Season 2 has potential.
Would you stop liking something you currently love just because trannies said they liked it? Learn to think for yourself. NV is much better than F3 and anyone who thinks otherwise is a zoomer who played F3 first as a kid and has nostalgia for it. It's that simple.
>NV is much better than F3 and anyone who thinks otherwise is a zoomer who played F3 first as a kid and has nostalgia for it. It's that simple.
no one said anything about FO3 being better than NV, just hat NV is a troony game. you are now making shit up that no one said, you must be a israelite as well as a troon
If you've ever been on Cinemaphile, which you have because you wouldn't otherwise know the NV troony meme, you would know that the superiority of F3 is all such troony meme pushers talk about.
Which Overseer? You mean Hank? How is he a racist?
Anyway the worldbuilding is fine. Like any sensible writers would they probably didn't want to overwhelm newcomers with 3 hours of established and abridged lore drop. Viewers can look that shit up on youtube if they want to (believe me there is no shortage of it). Everything required for the story was revealed. Everything else can be dolled out as the story requires it.
The cyclops who has a conversation that is blatantly the writer saying 'this is what right wingers are like!' even with the 'stinky food' meme that coloured folk like to cry about, complete with how he makes 'offensive jokes' and isn't supportive of immigration. Incredibly unsubtle stuff. >Anyway the worldbuilding is fine.
In any Fallout game you'll be in a major settlement within an hour and everyone knows and talks about some major hub or faction, etc. This show spent like 5 minutes in that small megaton place but was otherwise solely concerned with moving from vault to vault, stitched together with 10 cliched scenes per episode of violence juxtaposed with jolly music. No sense of civilisation or world at all really.
If they're gonna have a Brotherhood character they should at least make him loyal to the cause. Maximus isn't a BoS diehard he betrays them like mad and wants to leave.
He was conflicted. Was bullied constantly. Framed for a crime he didn't commit and was nearly executed. Was used as bait by someome he idolized as a child. His reality was literally crumbling before his eyes. This is why when he was in the comfortable vault he wanted to stay. Until he saw his friend being captured and his sense of justice returned.
People think he is a bad character but you have to see the big picture. Also the brotherhood of steel really seem like the bad guys in this series. Not sure if that is intentional or set up for something.
>Also the brotherhood of steel really seem like the bad guys in this series.
I'm subscribing to the theory that Hank didn't actually nuke Shady Sands, he technically never admitted to that, it was actually the Brotherhood who conveniently showed up in the ruins right after the bomb went off and who are more likely to have access to nukes than Vault 33.
>Worth a watch
it has some logic holes, lore problems, unintentional silliness, modern politics are still visible, has room for improvement etc.. but its very much a fallout story
Whaaaaaaaat? You’re telling me that the end point of a successful corporation ISNT killing off everybody on earth (all the customers) to somehow become the most successful corporation on earth? It’s like it’s what a moronic teenager thinks capitalism is.
anon it's been established for decades that corporate america and the federal government (enclave) conspired to survive the nuclear war and establish the true america with themselves, that was the point of the enclave
Okay but that’s not what fricking happened with the show. It’s a pretty major plot point but maybe you should just go watch the last episode or something.
>killing off everybody on earth (all the customers)
yeah, this doesn't align well with the games, where its nearly uniformly shown vault-tec and other companies got pretty much caught off-guard with their personnel mostly out of position when the bombs dropped
Tim Cain said on his youtube channel that he thinks Vault-Tec was definitely willing and had a strategy to drop the bombs (probably coordinated with with the Enclave) but they probably didn't actually do it because Barb would definitely have not timed the launch to happen at a time when her daughter was at a birthday party.
>very much a bethesda fallout story
Easy to watch, easy to forget, and better not try to think about anything or you'll immediately break any immersion you might have had. A solid 2/5 wacky zany humour action show.
>Walton Goggins acts circles around everybody >Big Eyes also gave a pretty good performance >everybody else was serviceable >all the woke stuff is garbage
I don't know what you expected from an Amazon prime vidya adaptation.
Much like Cavill in the Netflix Witcher series, Goggins hard carries the show whenever he's on screen and it becomes very enjoyable. Unlike the Witcher, the side characters aren't completely annoying and the production values and set pieces are very good. They manage to capture the overall goofy atmosphere of Fallout.
Moldaver was a shit villain full of plot holes but I kind of like the idea that everyone and their dog from some crazy cult leader scientist to some random small town mayor is calling themselves the legitimate government like how everyone from Greeks to Russians to the Turks claimed to be the true Rome, or every random warlord announced themselves to be the new emperor of China every time a dynasty fell.
You have to turn your brain off to enjoy it. As in the show will make a point of showing how strong power armor is, allowing you to toss a large rock like a mile away, but punching a bear three times does barely anything at all. Oh also you can punch a ghoul and send him flying 50 feet, only for him to get back up and keep going like it wasnt anything.
It's a marvel tier experience, where everyone is quippy, and they jangle fallout shaped keys in front of you constantly to maintain your attention.
Theres also the nonbinary they really shove in your face, the black guy who is practically a copy of finn from star wars, and the constant incest jokes that really mean nothing to the story.
Is it trash? Nah, there's a good skeleton there, but its pretty typical of the kind of shit that comes out these days, only it's fallout themed.
>Theres also the nonbinary they really shove in your face
1/3 of the first episode and maybe 5 min of the 2nd episode isn’t really shoving Dane down your throat. And the character isn’t typical woke, one character refers to Dane as “they” once and that’s it
They could have just had the character in there and left it up the audience to discuss what they were seeing. No, they add them in, and make a point of not using he or she when the higher up member was addressing them. I don't care if they want to stick the character in. I think it's stupid to pretend its not a guy, as woman in the role of a soldier instead of a scribe is kind of fricking stupid and wouldn't happen, but it's fantasy so whatever. The show makes a point to put this character in your face and reinforce they are nonbinary, for no point. Just like the incest shit they keep pushing, it has no point. These hack writers can't help but insert this shit in here when theres no need for it. Just like how the black guy is a bumbling tard. Why is he even like that? He could have the same story experience acting like a normal person. I will say after the first two episodes all the dumb shit becomes less of a thing (except for not-finn being a bumbling tard all the time).
One other character referred to them using the pronoun "their", instead of he or her. >THEYRE SHOVING IT IN OUR FACES
You sound very fragile. Did the show hurt your feelings?
>where everyone is quippy
this was the least quippy modern pop culture television I've seen in years. the humor is from people acting absurd and never calling it out which is the opposite of marvel quips.
Anybody else catch that scene in ep1 where all the white BoS guys were playing basketball and they were all missing even the easiest shots?
Pretty clever, Klaus.
>Did they just fix it off screen or scavenge water from Vault 32 or something?
Even if we assume Vault 32's chip is intact they still would have only one chip between Vaults 32 and 33.
It's worth a watch, they made all the men absolute homosexuals and weak, bar one but its not a bad show. Its woke but very subtle with it, you barely notice it.
First 4 episodes are eh but the last four are pretty good TV, worth a watch. Goggins steals every scene he's in, the setpieces and costumes are high quality. I laughed at more than a couple scenes, they nailed the black humor.
Don't really like that they destroyed the entire NCR just like that but at least we're guaranteed to get some New Vegas/House kino in S2. Hell maybe the Legion even makes a cameo.
>every white man is bad and weak apart from 1 who is covered in makeup to make his whiteness less apparent >black guy is main love interest >make main woman a bawd who wants to have sex after knowing him for 5 minutes
I was initially surprised the first guy she fricks wasn't black, but then I realised that to do that they'd need to make the raider a black man, which they obviously wouldn't do.
>every white man is bad and weak
people like you and moronic ragebaiters like mauler on youtube keep saying this about hank but it makes no sense. >hank is weak, that's why he nuked shady sands >hank is bad, that's why he stands by what he believes is the best course of action >that's why he does terrible things to advance his cause and protect his family, because he's bad and weak
NO ONE in the fallout universe is "good" you moron, why do you fail to comprehend the one constant message in the games?
>dude there's LITERALLY no difference between being an evil psychopath and nuking megaton and killing people on sight like a raider and doing things that you believe will help people but being a bit corrupt or something. It's literally the same!
And you think you can call other people moronic? Also, ask literally any normie redditor who watched the show, or the writers for that matter, whether they think Hank is a good guy and more evil than Lucy and Maximus. You know what they will say, and what their intentions were. He's not portrayed as a complex and nuanced character.
the black protagonist is weak too lol >make main woman a bawd who wants to have sex after knowing him for 5 minutes
its fricking obvious that dont really have any of that kind of social constructs that they did in the past, this is apparent in the way she acts and talks in general. /misc/ has made you fricking moronic
Said actor in relationship with non-black character onscreen? Mega woke democrat shit.
Slightly masculine female? troony who cut their own wiener off and ate it.
Antagonist is male and/or white? Truly the downfall of our times and the end of white men.
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It's just a fricking tv show and shitheads here wanted to hate it. That's it. If they cannot call it "based", then it's automatically woke garbage. I wish these idiots would collectively kill themselves already.
Don't want to make a separate thread so I'll just post here, but who writes this shit? The more I think about how much Moldaver and everything around her doesn't make sense the more implausible events of the show seem to be.
Thinking back, Wilzig is honestly one of the most confusing characters, we can infer that he's one of the pre-war scientists (who is both Vault-Tec and Enclave) and that he probably knew Moldaver beforehand. We also know that he's been working on cold fusion for years because the dog literally grew up. We also know that Wilzig ran away very recently from the moment Moldaver kidnapped Hank from the Vault to get Vault-Tec code I think? Here's where I am confused about though, are Moldaver kidnapping Hank and Wilzig finishing cold fusion mcguffin related events? Show seems to imply so, however, how did she know Wilzig finished the mcguffin or why didn't Moldaver go for the mcguffin right away, Bud's Buds were in a fricking Vault, from her point of view saving Wilzig should've been the top priority rather than going for Hank because if she doesn't reach Wilzig she'd have no use for Hank anyway. And she also had no reason to believe she'd be able to get Hank or similar person before she loses Wilzig.
So, basically, what I am saying is that Moldaver infiltrating Vault 33 makes no sense both if she knew that Wilzig completed the device (Wilzig should be top priority) and if she didn't know (she has no use for Hank) in the timeframe and order of events in the show.
Am I overthinking this or did the writers not think this through at all?
Nothing about Wigglez read as "pre-war human" to me. He was an Enclave scientist who defected to the Institute.
The fact that he traveled from BOSNYWASH to Venice Beach definitely indicates that, chronologically, he did his escape at least a week before he met Lucy on the beach. So if you play the story in order his actions were probably the first.
>Nothing about Wigglez read as "pre-war human" to me.
well.. we don't exactly get to spend a lot of time with the guy but running into a literal cold fusion scientist in the wasteland would probably make me ask how old is he because that is something that was developed pre-war and fusion cores cost thousands of caps
You do know what the Enclave and Institute are, right? He was probably a scientist from conception.
The more likely scenario is that he learned about and then stole the prototype from some storehouse or cache that the Enclave or Institute had procured in the 200 years since the world ended.
He connection with Muldaver, however it came about, is the plothole you should be isolating and examining.
The little blue pill, whatever it was, had a damn Vault-Tec logo printed on the side of it. So either that device was itself pre-war (and stored away with nobody paying it much mind) or it was built to exact specifications, logo and all, by Wigglez. But neither of those scenarios require Benjamin Linus to have been frozen at any point in time.
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It could be explained that Enclave found it, Wigglez was tasked with jailbreaking it but he couldn't and knew he would be "disposed of" for it and Enclave would eventually get the code anyways ( either jailbreaking, or doing what Moldaver did and just kidnapping someone who knew the code). So he ran away.
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Anonymous
>Are you conflating "Fusion" with "Cold Fusion?"
I read his description from wiki, it said cold-fusion scientist
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Anonymous
If you're reading things off of the Wiki then why are you asking if he is a pre-war scientist? It would say so on the Wiki.
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Anonymous
You can thus see the differentiation between a "Fusion Core" and whatever the "Cold Fusion" pellet was.
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It's foreshadowed (more like telegraphed) in one of the later episode pre-war flashbacks, where Moldaver explains that Vault-Tek bought her cold fusion prototype and shelved it.
Then in "current day" it turns out they were working on it in secret and this is the result. The Enclave most likely knew of it, because Vault-Tek was co-developing a lot of their tech with the old government from which Enclave descends.
The TV show is riddled with plot-holes and convenient coincidences, but this one is the one of the less objectionable ones.
>He connection with Muldaver, however it came about, is the plothole you should be isolating and examining.
It's honestly extremely baffling the more you think about it.
>Scenario A: Wilzig doesn't know who Moldaver is from pre-war times or is a pre-war scentist himself. It's realistic that he would know who Moldaver is, show hypes her up as "flame mother" throughout the season, but why would she go to her considering NCR is in ruins, like, what protection from Enclave can she offer him is dubious at best. Also unlikely coincidence that he essentially finished her life's work >Scenario B: Wilzig knew who Moldaver is pre-war and specifically set out to finish Moldaver's project. Show seemingly is screaming that is the case, but plausibility of that is dubious at best as it would imply that him and Moldaver somehow were in contact one with another entire time, and if they were, and even if Wilzig was busted on mistake, it still makes no sense that Moldaver basically spared no effort to bring Wilzig with her life's work to her. She kind of got everything handed to her on accident she put no effort into other than kidnapping Hank.
The character writing is on the level of Fallout 1, 2 & New Vegas.The characters are complex, develop over time and have fun dialogue.
Main story writing is on the level of Fallout 3 & 4. So not good and full of ridiculous plot holes. If you were able to tolerate these two games and still have fun, you'll be entertained here as well.
The show absolutely nails the atmosphere and mostly the humor. The vault sets are impressive.
The only woke tax this show paid is they/them character who turns out to be a good friend.
Worth-a-watch / 10
Personally, I rate it at 8/10. Liked it overall, but the "plot" was only tolerable because the show nailed the other things.
Pretty solid take. I don’t necessarily like every narrative decision made by the show, but I enjoyed it.
I always worry when I see a diverse main cast that it’s just for pandering, but Max kind of felt like Finn done correctly. People say he can’t act, but to me, his autistic and strange delivery really sold Max as a low INT character kek. Really enjoyed his performance by the end.
I suspect Max is done this way intentionally. A fumbling bumbling idiot with good heart who makes mistakes both in actions he takes and morality of decisions he makes.
To me, he's the epitome of chaotic neutral. I strongly suspect he's gonna have a generic betrayal-but-then-changed mind in Season 2.
You can tell Todd and friends are still absolutely seething over New Vegas and the pre-Bethesda Fallouts still being considered superior.
They absolutely rape and pillage the lore while telling the most generic CW story. The acting is awful, set design always feel fake and of course it has the status quo political humiliation ritual against the very people who popularized the franchise.
This. Fallout series jumped the shark with introduction of synths in F4. The Brotherhood of Steel and Enclave were able to preserve and barely iteratively improve pre-war technology. But a few children of eggheads were able to establish high-tech society capable of inventing and mass-producing synthetic humans.
That's so far out of left field, you can't even see the home base.
I genuinely hope that Fallout TV series does not bring these up again, and they get conveniently forgotten. Like the Chinese infiltration plot of Fallout 3.
genuinely the only "woke" thing I noticed (speaking as a non American) was the androgynous brotherhood initiate (and they're still called a Brother of steel)
it must be exhausting to live life in such a way that you see any more than that.
As a fellow non-American, the they/them character does kinda fit the militaristic nature of brotherhood.
If anything, given that we have them theys in >current year, it's likely they'll exist in future as well.
just watch it and see for yourself, you stupid son of a b***h. if you let anons tell you what is up and what is down then youre going to be trolled into living life as a miserable frick who needs permission on what to think. men that are too mentally fragile to decide for themselves dont belong on the internet
Maybe I missed a scene but who were the random NCR father and son Goggins went to for information? The scene implied they knew each other but not who or how they knew each other
That’s every Amazon show. Rings of Power literally does not have a single non race mixed couple. Like, there is no way to argue that’s not on purpose. They really think audiences just have no concept of story or acting or production and they’re just going to clap like seals if there’s diversity
The only child given birth in the entire show is a WM/WF. Max is black but he's also a sexless/kissless virgin and a literal psychopath. Lucy is just gullible and latching onto the only positive thing that she's experience topside and even that is a complete lie.
If “woke” means “diversity and libshit to the point it’s distracting and hamfisted” then yeah it is. I dunno why they can’t just be normal. It’s got to be over the top in everything. But this is probably the first Amazon show I’ve ever seen that I can actually watch. Even though the acting is hilariously bad except for Machlachlan and the lead girl, it doesn’t sound like it was written by an AI like other Amazon shows. I dunno why they andNetflix choose to be like this- they have to make a dozen of these shitfests before one of them gets popular.
You can tell Todd and friends are still absolutely seething over New Vegas and the pre-Bethesda Fallouts still being considered superior.
They absolutely rape and pillage the lore while telling the most generic CW story. The acting is awful, set design always feel fake and of course it has the status quo political humiliation ritual against the very people who popularized the franchise.
I want talented writers like jonathan nolan to use their imagination and not worry about autistic lore
I played those games and don't remember plot/lore details because that is boring information to remember
Everyone knows you homosexuals are:
1.literally 11 yo
2. A Redditor so pathetic they come here because they have something to prove to no one but themsleves
3. An pajeet making 10 cents an hour in a basement in Mumbai working for a company that American entertainment studios contract to astro turf social media
Every woketard post on this board uses the word chud, which makes me think whoever in the marketing department came up with the idea to astroturf hasn’t updated their script since like 2016
genuinely the only "woke" thing I noticed (speaking as a non American) was the androgynous brotherhood initiate (and they're still called a Brother of steel)
it must be exhausting to live life in such a way that you see any more than that.
>walking tanks that are too heavy for sustained flight are now lightweight ironman suits that can be whipped around like a pinata >Shady Sands is now where the Boneyard is supposed to be >Shady Sands nuke in 2277 even though Fallout New Vegas starts in 2281 >BoS base is flying an American flag when the BoS literally began as a secession militia at Mariposa >No mention of the Master or how the vaults in the show somehow escaped his reign >Pip-boys don't go off with Rad spikes when the raiders first enter the vault >Yao Guai fight scene is completely moronic
I don't know how anyone can watch this slop and think "HURRR IT WAS GOOD". You Black folk are mentally deficient.
Fall of Shady Sands is observed event in New Vegas.When NCR became weak, spread too thin and corrupt.
Can your literal autistic mind comprehend when the Roman Empire fell, it did not explode?
It's when women and minorities took power in the city. Years later they noticed only fix is to nuke it.
Tandy was the first president of NCR. Women were literally in charge from day 1.
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>Fall of Shady Sands is observed event in New Vegas.When NCR became weak, spread too thin and corrupt.
That was never in Fallout New Vegas.
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Anonymous
Shady Sands did not fall in New Vegas nor did it fall before it. This is a fact. Stop making up bullshit to justify a dumb fricking mistake that could have been easily avoided.
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Anonymous
Its literally spelled out for you in the game by multiple characters, including Ceasar himself. Not to mention the end-credits, if you do decide to side with NCR.
Are you sure you even played the game?
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Anonymous
Yes, I did. Show me where the game says the capital of the fricking NCR had fallen four years before the game's events. Every justification you morons make for that dumb blackboard just makes you look more moronic.
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Anonymous
>Fall of Shady Sands is observed event in New Vegas.When NCR became weak, spread too thin and corrupt.
Yeah that is clearly what the show is trying to say. Fricking moron.
Todd's damage control and his paid youtube shills still can't negate the fact that the show is still lore-breaking crap. Its worse than Fallout 4, which falls apart in the very beginning >institute needs pre-war dna >find an entire vault with pre-war humans >should we take a medical team, engineers, a trauma counselor, and maybe some gen-2 synths for security? >nah frick that, bring the psychotic cyborg who shoots a mom for being a mom >juicehead
maybe you should stop watching things you pretend to hate.
I'm this guy. I'm well aware of F4's high moronicness:
I suspect Max is done this way intentionally. A fumbling bumbling idiot with good heart who makes mistakes both in actions he takes and morality of decisions he makes.
To me, he's the epitome of chaotic neutral. I strongly suspect he's gonna have a generic betrayal-but-then-changed mind in Season 2.
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This. Fallout series jumped the shark with introduction of synths in F4. The Brotherhood of Steel and Enclave were able to preserve and barely iteratively improve pre-war technology. But a few children of eggheads were able to establish high-tech society capable of inventing and mass-producing synthetic humans.
That's so far out of left field, you can't even see the home base.
I genuinely hope that Fallout TV series does not bring these up again, and they get conveniently forgotten. Like the Chinese infiltration plot of Fallout 3.
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As a fellow non-American, the they/them character does kinda fit the militaristic nature of brotherhood.
If anything, given that we have them theys in >current year, it's likely they'll exist in future as well.
IIRC the only mention of the NCR falling in New Vegas was House making a prediction that they would in collapse in 10 years due to corruption, but we never saw it happen, not even in the DLC.
It's not a singular event that happened on a single day. Just like the fall of Roman Empire took decades.
It's the overall decline of NCR due to infighting and its failed expansionist policy.
Ceasar mentions that observing this decay is the reason why he established the legion in the first place:
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A few other characters mention the status quo as well. That NCR is no longer able to defend its territory, which is now subject to Legion, Brotherhood and bandit raids.
>Fall of Shady Sands is observed event in New Vegas.When NCR became weak, spread too thin and corrupt.
Yeah that is clearly what the show is trying to say. Fricking moron.
Yes. That is exactly what the show is trying to say. Kind Regard. The fall of Shady Sands and it's nuking are two separate events on the timeline. That's why the nuke is to the right. That's how timelines work.
Just because the life was good doesn't mean the entire NCR wasn't going to shit. See: USA.
>character mentions this >character mentions that
Yes, I know. Like I said, we see a lot of talk in the game, but the NCR or Shady Sands did not fall in New Vegas, which is what you originally posted.
I literally just sent you a link for firsthand witness of the fall who used it as motivation of major plot point.
The only one who has autism is you, not understanding a basic point. Post a single quote from New Vegas saying the capital of the NCR has fallen. Please, for the love of god, it's a simple request.
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Anonymous
No I mean straight up you have diagnosed autism, you can't handle things that aren't spelled out literally for you. You can still learn to read between the lines if you really try, but it's a struggle.
>Just because the life was good doesn't mean the entire NCR wasn't going to shit. See: USA.
Let's say Washington DC gets nuked tomorrow. Shortly afterwards you hear someone talking about "The Fall of Washington DC". Would you instantly assume they were talking about fricking inflation?
If someone talks about the fall of Washingotn DC and then says it *later* got nuked, yes.
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Anonymous
People do talk about the US declining all the time, yet you couldn't give me a straight answer.
Likewise, when someone says the fall of USA, I'm not immediately assuming nukes.Especially after playing NV and paying attention that NCR was in decline by that time.
Especially if I see a timeline where the fall is shown to precede the nuking.
The people who seem to screech about New Vegas being retconned are the ones who did not seem to pay attention while playing it.
[...] >That whole video just talks about the NCR deteriorating. There's no actual fall to watch.
My brother in Christ. That is the "fall". See:
[...] >It's not a singular event that happened on a single day. Just like the fall of Roman Empire took decades.
>Likewise, when someone says the fall of USA, I'm not immediately assuming nukes.
When people say "Fall of Japan" do you assume they mean 1937? When Japan overextended itself?
Likewise, when someone says the fall of USA, I'm not immediately assuming nukes.Especially after playing NV and paying attention that NCR was in decline by that time.
Especially if I see a timeline where the fall is shown to precede the nuking.
The people who seem to screech about New Vegas being retconned are the ones who did not seem to pay attention while playing it.
[...] >That whole video just talks about the NCR deteriorating. There's no actual fall to watch.
My brother in Christ. That is the "fall". See:
[...] >It's not a singular event that happened on a single day. Just like the fall of Roman Empire took decades.
>>It's not a singular event that happened on a single day. Just like the fall of Roman Empire took decades.
BUT THE SHOW GIVES A SINGULAR YEAR
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>When people say "Fall of Japan" do you assume they mean 1937? When Japan overextended itself?
I mean, did Rome get nuked, when it fell? Or the British Empire? Or the First French Republic? Or Soviet Union?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I mean, did Rome get nuked, when it fell? Or the British Empire? Or the First French Republic? Or Soviet Union?
No ,which is why they are irrelevant examples compared to Japan. Shady Sands DID get nuked.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
When discussing falls of empires, they are the best examples of what fall means. Especially where other parts of the media actually discusses the fall before the nuking.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>When people say "Fall of Japan" do you assume they mean 1937? When Japan overextended itself?
If they mention it and say it got nuked after the fall, yes.
Here's a question you can't give a straight answer to. On a timeline, what does an arrow between two points mean?
>BUT THE SHOW GIVES A SINGULAR YEAR
And the fall of the Roman Empire is in 476. Yet the provinces were still governed for decades after by various self-proclaimed emperors and kings.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Here's a question you can't give a straight answer to. On a timeline, what does an arrow between two points mean?
The arrow tends to be the end of the timeline, there usually are no points after it. >And the fall of the Roman Empire is in 476.
Okay, so what event in Shady Sands is comparable to Odoacer deposing the last western emperor?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The arrow tends to be the end of the timeline, there usually are no points after it.
Ah I see so shady sands didn't get nuked, that's just a plan for the future. Why are we arguing about it then? >Okay, so what event in Shady Sands is comparable to Odoacer deposing the last western emperor?
What event indeed.
Here's another point that connects to the fall of rome: Do you believe the President of the NCR in the show is real? If so, why is Moldaver, leader of "The Capital of the NCR" at Griffith Observatory, on a wanted poster?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Ah I see so shady sands didn't get nuked, that's just a plan for the future. Why are we arguing about it then?
It's timeline leading up to an event.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Ah I see so shady sands didn't get nuked
Sure it was. It's marked right there in 2277, with a nice illustration next to it. >What event indeed.
What are you even trying to say? People who say "Rome fell in 476" are referring to the very specific event of Odoacer sacking Rome. They are not talking about the crisis of the third century or isolated remnant provinces. Similarly "Shady Sands fell in 2277" would clearly refer to a specific event.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>People who say "Rome fell in 476" are referring to the very specific event of Odoacer sacking Rome.
> People
Well, if this is, as you claim, the popular opinion, then let's check what a popular information aggregate says about the Fall of the Western Roman Empire:
>The fall of the Western Roman Empire, also called the fall of the Roman Empire or the fall of Rome, was the loss of central political control in the Western Roman Empire, a process in which the Empire failed to enforce its rule
> a process in which the Empire failed to enforce its rule > a process > process
Process, not a day.
So. A popular information aggregate refers to a decade long decline as fall of Roman Empire (or Rome).
So people refer to a decade long decline as fall of Roman Empire (or Rome).
As such, the "people" you are attempting to invoke are in direct disagreement with you.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Holy shit go frick yourself. I acknowledged the long decline in my comment. It was the guy I was responding to who said Rome fell in 476. And if you are ONE OF THE PEOPLE who do so, you are clearly referring to a specific event.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
"Fall of the Roman Empire" is broad and ambiguous.
"Fall of the city of Rome (476)" is not.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>"Fall of the Roman Empire" is broad and ambiguous.
No, it happened in 476 according to chalkboard-tier timelines.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>in 2277
Oh my mistake, I didn't notice the nuke illustration was inside the box labeled 2277. In my confusion I thought it was on a separate data point further in the chronological order.
Silly me.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not to mention that Titus or Maximus or whatever his fricking name was also spoke the year aloud. There is no way to go "Well somebody wrote it wrong" or "they're being vague" or "the city fell THEN the bomb came later."
Titicus tells Lucy that it happened in 2277 and she attempts to correct him saying that no, the world ended in 2077.
So the logic is, "the blackboard can be wrong" AND ALSO "Black man can be wrong" but it can't be both.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Titicus tells Lucy that it happened in 2277 and she attempts to correct him saying that no, the world ended in 2077.
What's the exact dialogue?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes, he was a kid at the time it happened, confuses nuking of Shady Sands with the nuclear apocalypse, and doesn't know how his penis works.
I'll take a classroom blackboard over his opinion. Thank you very much.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The former Ranger calls Moldaver a madwoman in the hills", alongside the whole "flame mother" cult I dunno how any viewer can have come away from that thinking she's a legitimate NCR leader and not just another cosplayer LARPing as the NCR.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The former Ranger calls Moldaver a madwoman in the hills", alongside the whole "flame mother" cult I dunno how any viewer can have come away from that thinking she's a legitimate NCR leader
maybe she was like 40 spots down the chain of command, the designated survivor?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
What does "legitimate NCR leader" mean? As far as we know from the show, the NCR no longer exist outside of those LARPer remnants. If it did, why do the Shady Sands survivors have to huddle up in vaults and ruins?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Which is kinda bullshit if you realize how vast the NCR is. But sure, why not, JJ Abrams logic, we have no idea what to do with the New Republic, so we'll just delete it. The annoying thing is that this NCR has no connection to the NCR from the games, it was destroyed by a pre-War threat that came out of nowhere and the games never established and are now lead by some pre-War person that also came out of nowhere and the games never established. Even Shady Sands is presented wrong.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Agreed. A large post-war nation struggling/crumbling by stepping into the same pitfalls as its pre-war predessecors, with its varied regions and cities having different reactions, would be interesting. A single isolated utopian city getting nuked out of existence off-screen by jealous 200-year-old corpos is not.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You could've taken some cues for ancient Rome's playbook and present NCR in the middle of a civil war, or transforming into an efficient, but ruthless empire, anything is more interesting than show's, "lol, they all died off-screen, nuked by some 200-year-old cuck with a magical nuke".
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I dunno about you man but that scene screamed sort of like how Enclave was portrayed in Fallout New Vegas except towards NCR (Remnants of Enclave who don't really give a frick about the cause and were cursed with burden of their past and would prefer if people didn't know about that). The father seemingly had given up on the cause and now has to scavenge for caps to live another day (something a man with a salary probably wouldn't be doing), while his sons are young and still are ready to die for the cause.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I silently hope that after the fan blacklash, Season 2 shows the actual might of the NCR, because it seems like the only person who was content with how the NCR was handled was Todd Howard.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>BUT THE SHOW GIVES A SINGULAR YEAR
Does it give A SINGLE DATE?
The bombs fell on October 23rd 2077, but the best date for "Fall of Shady Sands" is the entire year of 2277?
He's being deliberately obtuse and posting Caesar (a biased source lmao) talking about the structural decline of the NCR while completely ignoring that the fall of a city means exactly that: a city fell. He can't post one piece of evidence that Shady Sands had fallen by New Vegas because there is none.
Likewise, when someone says the fall of USA, I'm not immediately assuming nukes.Especially after playing NV and paying attention that NCR was in decline by that time.
Especially if I see a timeline where the fall is shown to precede the nuking.
The people who seem to screech about New Vegas being retconned are the ones who did not seem to pay attention while playing it.
>I literally just sent you a link for firsthand witness of the fall who used it as motivation of major plot point
That whole video just talks about the NCR deteriorating. There's no actual fall to watch.
>That whole video just talks about the NCR deteriorating. There's no actual fall to watch.
My brother in Christ. That is the "fall". See:
It's not a singular event that happened on a single day. Just like the fall of Roman Empire took decades.
It's the overall decline of NCR due to infighting and its failed expansionist policy.
Ceasar mentions that observing this decay is the reason why he established the legion in the first place:
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A few other characters mention the status quo as well. That NCR is no longer able to defend its territory, which is now subject to Legion, Brotherhood and bandit raids.
[...]
Yes. That is exactly what the show is trying to say. Kind Regard. The fall of Shady Sands and it's nuking are two separate events on the timeline. That's why the nuke is to the right. That's how timelines work.
>It's not a singular event that happened on a single day. Just like the fall of Roman Empire took decades.
>I literally just sent you a link for firsthand witness of the fall who used it as motivation of major plot point
That whole video just talks about the NCR deteriorating. There's no actual fall to watch.
>character mentions this >character mentions that
Yes, I know. Like I said, we see a lot of talk in the game, but the NCR or Shady Sands did not fall in New Vegas, which is what you originally posted.
You don't see it happen in the show either, so what are you complaining about?
It's five words on a chalkboard, it holds as much weight as any of those people talking.
I marathoned the entire series last night from 9pm to 5am. Firstly, a few things about me, the reviewer.
I'm tall, White, blonde haired, blue eyed, and have fricked over a hundred women. I make good money working from home. I don't really watch tv nor do I own one. My last 3 shows I've watched have been Shogun, Chernobyl, and the Terror. My favorite movie is either the Mummy (Frasier version) or The Mask of Zorro. I've played Fallout 3, NV, and 4. New Vegas is arguably the greatest video game of all time if you count what the mod community has added to it. I hate israelites, gays, blacks, and pretty much everything that isn't White and beautiful. I care about animals more than people, and more about nature more than society. This is my review.
1. Of all the things I've seen talked about on this show the one thing that convinces me that you're all a bunch of fricking mixed race mutt philistines is how fricking NONE OF YOU dedicated even a modicum of your time or energy to discussing how fricking based Norm Maclean is and how he, BY HIMSELF, is worth watching the show. Fricking every god damn scene with Norm is peak 10/10, Lucy's POV is how we are introduced to the Wasteland. Norm is how we are introduced to what Fallout is and why it is.
2. I didn't know who the lesbian character was until the last 3 minutes of the season and even then it's a human woman touching another woman's hand as she dies. Maybe I missed some obvious dyking out. But I didn't understand that complaint where there's no other visible signs of homosexuality.
3. I didn't realize who the trans person was until the cult scene (and I'm still only half sure it's her or him or however that actually works). That she was the only one and located in a vault filled w/ refugee freak science projects wasn't lost on me.
4. Every scene there were obvious skill checks and stat checks which we see multiple characters having success and failure with.
Lucy has great intelligence and endurance and repair skills and while her charisma is high she fails practically every speech, barter, and stealth check. Her str and agi traits are definitely low but her unarmed skill is (along with science and repair) are her tags. Obvious representation of karmic good.
Max has really high END and LUCK, his INT and Charisma are putrid. I'm guessing his STR is probably above average. I think his AGI is probably low but his gun skill is definitely tagged. His perception might be the lowest in the show. He is CLEARLY the representation of Karmic Evil and it wouldn't surprise me if he's a Father Elijah class villain by the end.
The Ghoul is clearly a high level overperked over tuned character with 7+ in END, AGI, STR, and PER and LUCK while his INT is low and his charisma is a literal 0. Clearly highest gun skill in the show. Also an addict. Final assessment of karma: Neutral.
5. I liked the story. It felt like fallout. A lot of the nonWhites get owned and/or humiliated in various ways so I didn't mind their DEInclusion.
6. They did not do New Vegas justice in the final rendition. They basically removed everything that wasn't the Strip. It looks like shit. If they're going to follow in the footsteps of Star Wars and try to destroy what came before they are going to lose the fan base. I don't give a frick about the NCR, they were always the inferior playing option to the Legion, but if you frick with New Vegas we have a narrative problem. It'd be like taking Rohan out of the LOTR. It doesn't work because it can't.
>copy-pasted shill narrative
You loved Rings of Power, didn't you?
4. Every scene there were obvious skill checks and stat checks which we see multiple characters having success and failure with.
Lucy has great intelligence and endurance and repair skills and while her charisma is high she fails practically every speech, barter, and stealth check. Her str and agi traits are definitely low but her unarmed skill is (along with science and repair) are her tags. Obvious representation of karmic good.
Max has really high END and LUCK, his INT and Charisma are putrid. I'm guessing his STR is probably above average. I think his AGI is probably low but his gun skill is definitely tagged. His perception might be the lowest in the show. He is CLEARLY the representation of Karmic Evil and it wouldn't surprise me if he's a Father Elijah class villain by the end.
The Ghoul is clearly a high level overperked over tuned character with 7+ in END, AGI, STR, and PER and LUCK while his INT is low and his charisma is a literal 0. Clearly highest gun skill in the show. Also an addict. Final assessment of karma: Neutral.
5. I liked the story. It felt like fallout. A lot of the nonWhites get owned and/or humiliated in various ways so I didn't mind their DEInclusion.
6. They did not do New Vegas justice in the final rendition. They basically removed everything that wasn't the Strip. It looks like shit. If they're going to follow in the footsteps of Star Wars and try to destroy what came before they are going to lose the fan base. I don't give a frick about the NCR, they were always the inferior playing option to the Legion, but if you frick with New Vegas we have a narrative problem. It'd be like taking Rohan out of the LOTR. It doesn't work because it can't.
>people complain about all the mutts in the show >they all get humiliated, get blown the frick out, or are straight up hard karmic evil.
I'm ok with this?
The woke stuff was there and is kind of distracting, but the writing is just ass if you expect to take it even minutely seriously. Based on the ending, the showrunners wanted people to take it seriously.
Its not terribly woke. Its woke, obviously, nothing made by ~~*Amazon*~~ in current year is gonna NOT be woke, but its not nearly as bad as it could be. The main issue is that its fricking boring. I've watched 6 episodes, and I don't know if I can force myself to finish it. The story isn't interesting, the characters aren't interesting, and nothing is fricking happening. I can't fathom why this show is getting so much praise. It's tremendously dull.
It's fine if you liked Fallout 3, 4 or 76 aka the shit ones. If you liked good Fallouts, you'll just be annoyed. And if you never played Fallout, you'll just be confused.
Have you noticed that everything and everyone that's important in this show is pre-War? Which is kinda counter to the themes of FO1, 2 and New Vegas who kept saying the pre-War is irrelevant.
You can make a good point with that actually, but only if you specifically set out a pre-war character to be the villain. Like the past refuses to die and shapes the future type of the deal. It's just that it seems like the show pulls out "actually, he could be pre-war" card only for convenience's sake. Unless the point of the season was specifically to make cold fusion reactor atonement for mistakes of the past, which is once again, never even hinted at, Wilzig was interested in finishing cold fusion reactor because it was convenient to the story and for Moldaver it was a passion project. Moldaver is also specifically the person who was already fighting Vault-Tek in the past, she's so good in the narative of the show both in the past and present she has nothing to atone for, it's world's fault for not listening to her. She was just doing her job that is coincidentally beneficial to people especially in world's current state seemingly just because she wanted to (we don't know what her plans possibly could've been if she wasn't killed, except for waiting patiently until BoS or Enclave rob her all the same)
>Worth a watch
Pros: The production and sets are impressive if not downright amazing. I haven't seen a videogame adaptation that goes as far as it has regarding the art style and design. It's slow, but it's the first season. The characters are ok. Goggins is clearly carrying the show though. I hope they make him the lead.
Cons: They've taken too many liberties with the history of the fictional world instead of just picking up where the games left off, which would make their jobs easier. This is taking big chances with losing first time viewers that have never played/have little interest in the games. If you HAVE played the games, the writing is downright awful. The BOS is a glorified paramilitary comparable to raiders. They have next to no discipline in contrast to the lockstep technocult organization in the games. The NCR have effectively been written out of the show. This limits a lot of the story potential since the characters will likely just drag themselves across an empty wasteland instead of getting involved in the "Wild West" society presented in the games.
I doubt we will see the Legion either, which is a massive letdown since they are the most interesting faction and probably the most aesthetically pleasing. >or woke garbage
There's a troony actor and racemixing. I can't say the story itself shoves any leftist shit down your throat besides that.
BoS are written so out of character that I've seen theories that the show is doing it deliberately to hint at the fact that BoS we are seeing are a bizzare chapter developed from Caesar's Legion with very subtle hints, like Maximus's name (even though we know he's from Shady Sands, however, we don't know if it's his real name or name given to him by Caesar's BoS) or this BoS's insignia (it uses red and yellow colors, same as Caesar's Legion). People will literally go out of their way to justify bad writing as being intentional for this show.
If you usually notice woke stuff you will see it all over this show. The overall tone is marvel meme gag humor, not much to do with surviving in nuclear post-apocalypse. The worldbuilding sucks and the writers assume the viewers would know quite a bit about past events and specific details in the world, which means anyone who isn't a big fan is going to be scratching their heads wondering why they should care about x person/place/thing. In my opinion it does not stand on its own two legs because of that weakness more-so than the woke stuff. Maybe they will figure it out in season 2.
>The overall tone is marvel meme gag humor
Marvel meme gag humour is always based around calling things out like >well THAT happened! >uh guys I don't think this is a party >That was so lame wasn't it?
For all its faults I never felt the show devolved into that, it always played the absurdism with a straight face like Fallout normally does.
>the writers assume the viewers would know quite a bit about past events and specific details in the world
Not at all. The show barely has any real connection to the games. None of the major post-war societies that were rebuilt in the games exist on the show. They're starting totally from scratch. One could easily go from the show to the games instead of the other way around.
This. The show is so bizzarely written that it's obvious they are wiping the slate clean, but it also wants to imply that previous games happened and the fact that they happened and what happens in them constantly bites them back in the ass. They are basically trying to have cake and eat it too and fail at it either because they don't care or don't even know what happened in the games and why it makes events of the show implausible. If games happened show can't happen, simple as that.
I mean, it kinda ties to what Avellone's been saying, that Bethesda only considers their own games hard-canon. They are considering lore of FO1 and canon out of politeness, but they can't even be bothered to work with it and the second this lore starts interfering with their ideas, they will happily delete it. And this is happening in the show.
Why though? Realistically the only real kind of punishment or penalty in Brotherhood of Steel should be banishment. >He sucks at his job so we'll feed his intestines to vultures
its even more stupid that he just says this out loud while dying and relying on the dude he's chastising to save him. >bro come save me. But you're gonna die soon because im going to tell everyone how bad you are!
What's even more bizzare is that I don't know if his chastizing were just lies because he was angry and hoping to scare him or Finn knew he wasn't lying and is telling the truth? Because Finn is so fricking stupid throughout the show that he really could've lived for 20 years with Brotherhood of Steel and not realize they have capital punishment, he's just that poorly written. He's so stupid that among major copes about the way the show is written is that Finn was specifically written as a low INT character, I am not joking. Even though low INT is applicable to every main character.
I don't have Amazon prime. But when I check out buying on Amazon I have to be ultra careful not to tick the Amazon prime, to the stage I don't shop there much anymore, must be failing it's so forced.
It felt more like "multinationals are evil" wich is true considering they are pushing tr00nism, feminism ecc. Irl corpos are more evil than the tv show ones.
Walton Goggins and his b***h wife were divorced at the start of the show. At worst she thought it's ok to nuke her daughter, at best, it might be a clue that because they got divorced Vault-Tec didn't include them in her Vault.
>lets nuke my daughter because i've divorced my husband
Thanks for confirming you're a moron.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I mean, if you read my post carefully I didn't say that Cooper's wife nuked her daughter. Like, at all. If anything I also provided a plausible explanation to the contrary point out that they were divorced and Vault-Tec are the ones who nuked her daughter possibly without letting her know or her being important enough to know that. It's entirely plausible that Vault-Tec still nuked the world and before they did that they literally kidnapped people they consider important enough to save.
Hey, remember when Fallout 1 and 2 kept saying that it doesn't matter who started the war, because the end result is the same and at this point nobody's alive to care?
>It's good until the absolutely braindead moronic plottwist of "we nuked the world to sell vaults lmao"
This, and people are outright saying "well, maybe the show is lying, just because they discussed nuking the world doesn't mean they actually nuked the world", even though it doesn't make the conversation any better. And why did they even bring up Vault experiments in the first place? Like, I think it was specifically Mr. House who said that they can do those experiments, but in the games the experiments were held by Vault-Tek at the behest of Enclave as a research on human condition in closed space for prolonged period of time because Enclave came to a conclusion that irradiated Earth was a lost cause. We understand why Enclave decided to frick with Vaults, but why did these frick ups bring up Vault experiments? What does Mr House hope to gain from Vault experiments and how can he see that as something profitable?
And another issue people I think really fail to bring up is the fact that whatever is happening in Walton Goggins's flashbacks have to end with the very first scene of the series of him running away with his daughter from nukes. The daughter is portrayed to be the same age throughout the season, meaning she's like 6-7, so at most the flashbacks take place in 2076, that's the earliest possible time it can take place. So the show suggests that Vault-Tek came up with entire Vault Boy identity based on Goggins and came up with Vault experiments a mere year before the world got nuked? Wouldn't some of the vaults make sense only if they were built for experiments right from the start, but this show suggests it was a course-correction?
In games, the Vault experiments, as ridiculous as they were, made sense. In the show... no.
Motherfricker, how does the vault with 999 women and 1 chinchilla contribute to your creation of a perfect society?
>In the game the experiments were for survival on the surface
In the game, the Enclave was building a giant colony spaceship to frick off from Earth. But because they only had one chance, they used the vaults to dry test all the possible frickups that may occur during the interstellar travel. That was the point of the Vault experimint.
I know. Vault-Tec in the games was completely irrelevant.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Didn't they create the FEV?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No, it was West-Tek, comissioned by US government. Vault Tec was irrelevant, it was West-Tec and Poseidon Energy that were the fronts for the Enclave.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Reminder that apparently Sinclaire is the head of West-Tek now. Meaning that West-Tek was ran by a casino owner.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No, Sinclair is the head of Big MT... which actually makes even less sense. This reference is so fricking random, I am convinced the showrunners just skimmed the wiki here.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Genuinely how do things like that even happen? So they bothered to dig up a name from New Vegas to use that players would be familiar with, but they didn't fact check or make sure that their reference even makes sense? If you want to have Mr House in the show, ok, I can probably buy that he was invited by Vault-Tec for couple of conversations (although he literally just provided them with pip boys, but whatever). But do they just not have guys who have played the games, at least one nerd to point out what can and can't happen? If anything I thought Todd is supposed to be that nerd and I can sort of buy that he deliberately allowed NV material to be used but used in a such a way that would only raise more questions.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It gets better. In the Shady Sands flashback, you can see an obelisk from the first game. So the crew put that obscure reference to FO1, but FRICKED UP THE LOOKS AND LOCATION OF SHADY SANDS.
It's amazing.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I know. Vault-Tec in the games was completely irrelevant.
Enclave commisioned Vault-Tec to do that. Enclave is also a very wishy washy and elusive organization, so some Vault-Tec higher ups could've also been Enclave just on the premise of them being deep state with their hands on everything. But generally speaking they are not one and the same.
>In the game the experiments were for survival on the surface
Actually exact opposite, the Vaults were mostly designed to explore various ways of surviving and dying anywhere but the surface.
Its the genshin impact of videogame adaptations. What i mean is that people have been so used to mobile games being dogshit the second something something like genshin comes out that could qualify as a real videogame people eat that shit up. Even if genshin has horrible monitization and other issues its still more of a real game than raid shadow legends or clash of clans.
Thats what happened with the fallout show. We are so used to adaptations like witcher, halo, lotr the second something passable but still flawed comes out its lauded. Because standards and expetactions of the genre were so low.
Both
Worth a watch. A bit slow in parts, but generally good.
Worth it unless you're a self-hating chud incel who seethes and cries whenever a black person is on screen, even then it's still worth it
The black guy was kinda goofy. I had no ill will
am I on Reddit or something?
says the Redditard who apparently can't stop fantasizing about reddit
what are you on about mate?
>chud incel
Trans suicide is awesome.
Your parents remote turned off the apps for the night didn’t they?
This happens when you stop posting gore and Sneed on Cinemaphile. The gate is opened and we're flooded with redditor homosexuals like this
What about if you’re a self-hating leftist troon with massive racial outgroup preference who cries on social media whenever a show or movie has a competent straight white cis male in it? Is it any good for people like that?
vault 33 is populated by soft liberal champagne socialists who are portrayed as morons incapable of using the one braincell they all share, so no
Are they mostly straight white folks taking part in stereotypical ‘white’ cultural practices?
TBF he cant act for shit. Everytime he's on screen he has this "I wish I wasnt here" expression on his stupid face.
self hating is for leftists
>cries whenever a black person is on screen
stop being disingenuous for 2 minutes
Fake opinion
I'd frick the ftm troony and make her go back to identifying as a woman
who was the transvestite? Must have missed that part
The Hispanic who cut herself
The BoS person who got a razor blade to the heel, but I thought it was just a nonbinary person, not trans
its crazy, my friend said some about "that girl with a tashce" and I was like what? The next time you see her ot sometimes looks like she has a tasche and sometimes like its just lighting. I didn't even notice she was supposed to be a troony.
Don’t think it’s a troony, just a GI Jane butch really.
it's post-woke slopkino
what is this shitty word salad?
it does not dwell on race or gender excessively
it merely has black people and women. thus it is post-woke.
it is clearly slop because it has plot holes and is moronic. Yet it is enjoyable to watch. slopkino as it's called
>it does not dwell on race or gender excessively
It has a troony and it is called "they"
Correct.
>bad guys are white men
>good guys are mutts and race mixers
>only "good" white man is some sterilized mutant
Cope and seethe, b***h.
as expected. best we can hope for these days seem to be not hearing how white men are the plague every 5 minutes of a movie or show
>he missed the part where the biggest psychopathic villain was a girlboss negress
didn't watch it
Good, you're not missing anything
You mean the old latina communist professor who turns out to be a good guy in the end?
The show is far too on-the-nose even for Amazon slop.
No, the Vault-Tec corporate exec who proposed using the vaults as lab rat mazes and starting a nuclear war on their own terms.
Also if the NCR cosplay cult leader who led some raiders to frick up the vault just for lulz even though all they needed was the overseer was "a good guy" to you then you must have been watching while on your phone or some shit.
Wasnt his Black personette wife the one who suggest nuking the Earth so they could rule over the ashes?
viewing everything threw a schizophrenic political lens is fricking exhausting to read about let alone experience
i recommend killing yourself
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Nice spelling moron, which vaccine did you get?
already preemptively corrected myself, if you had a good eye sight you'dve seen that. but since you're a four-eyed chud caricature you missed it, and decided to latch on to the only weak point as a quick win just like i predicted lmao
the fact that you think anyone is "good" in fallout shows how fricking moronic you are
2 of the main villains are black women the vault overseer and the wife that proposed the idea to instigate ww3
fair but that white boy in bos wasnt bad, i never felt like the writers meant for me to dislike him
white people are so fricking cringe its unreal
The one white guy who marries the eye-patch girl is a good guy.
Moldaver is still a "bad guy". She slaughtered innocent vault dwellers to get one guy.
Howard is obviously not good.
TWO black female characters are major villains.
>Moldaver is still a "bad guy". She slaughtered innocent vault dwellers to get one guy.
from objective point of view those vault dwellers are the psy-op'd, controlled breeding stock of the people who engineered the whole disaster
>Howard is obviously not good.
Flashback Howard is. Ghoul Howard is an antihero who's obviously on track for a redemption arc.
Arguably the only "Good" character is Wilzig. He's the only one who isn't alluded to killing someone where conversation could have worked, or killing someone because them being alive represents a third party threat.
(Dogmeat killing the other scientist doesn't count)
>all evil raiders are white men
>except the badass woc who’s their leader
What did Amazon mean by this?
I don’t see it that way. Goggins is amazing as always and the true protagonist of the show and has plenty pre mutant screen time if that bothers you, frog eyes is cute and likeable, and Maximus is depicted as a completely incompetent moronic techno fetishist virgin.
As for the supporting characters you’ve got chudmaxxed Rico from Hannah Montana who might as well be an IRL /misc/ poster with his investigation and he’s one of the best characters on the show, not to mention teaming up with his big dumb cousin for the investigation, and you’ve got Thaddeus from the BOS who was competent and likeable despite being comic relief.
There are no good guys in it except for the MC
Was the interracial sex scene really necessary?
I don't even care about woke this or that or whatever.... I *literally* cannot comprehend how adult men watch tv shows like this.. Or invest their time into comic book movies and such. Im not even trying to be mean really, its just like I would unironically think this was lame and for little kids even as a 14 year old
what the frick do you watch then, grandpa?
I dunno, entertaining shit? I just today I watched this insane documentary about a con-artist than managed to fool the US military into thinking he was some PM guru.
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Ill spoil it if you want, but this shit is gold
WATCH THIS^
nta, but I’m going to go in blind on this and watch it. Thanks
working nightshifts so need stuff to watch
You probably love to smell your farts
thinking amazon video game tv shows and comic book movies are for children makes me a narcicist?
This guy ^ does nothing but fricks, stack paper and posts on TV even though he's too busy fricking and stacking paper to watch any TV shows at all. Get wrecked virgins.
Im sorry for thinking bad redditor humor and special invincible men and women wearing silly costumes is for children, anon. How dare I
It's mindless entertainment you stupid homosexual.
I agree with you 100% anon it always used to be as you said, you had to be either 8 years old or a massive loser to like this stuff how any of it ever became so popular in the mainstream is beyond my comprehension.
if you aren't an NV troony or a brain-rotted /misc/yp its worth checking out, especially if you have prime. some characters (the Black person) are kind of annoying
>if you aren't an NV troony
I love when mentally ill redditors think this elementary tier reverse psychology is actually supposed to work
gets me (you)s every time NV troony
>I love when mentally ill redditors think this elementary tier reverse psychology is actually supposed to work
trannies themselves are the ones that have proclaimed new vegas as "transcore vidya" for YEARS now on Cinemaphile and other places. just because you are ignorant of how the NV fanbase is viewed doesn't mean it's been invented specifically because of the TV show
>trannies themselves are the ones that have proclaimed new vegas as "transcore vidya" for YEARS now on Cinemaphile and other places
man Black person just fricking speak english you weird queer. you reddit experts need to go back
ESL detected
Show is ok, only two blatantly woke elements: the troony brotherhood of steel woman, and the discussion with the overseer who is a blatant 'I AM SILLY AND RACIST!' character to push the writer's politics. But it's funny, because even when attempting to do that he still comes across as reasonable in not wanting to allow open immigration into his vault when we've seen how barbaric and dangerous outsiders are. My main issue with the show is just poor world building, barely mentioning or showing NCR, super mutants, any major settlements, etc. Also the gay Fallout 3/4 depiction of the BoS as religious paladins with over-the-top airships when they should just be a small sect of technology hoarders. Also the main nig was awful and I don't know if he was just a terrible actor or they wanted his character to be inconsistently switching between a goofball moron, a hero, and a psychopath. Overall, better than I expected. Season 2 has potential.
Would you stop liking something you currently love just because trannies said they liked it? Learn to think for yourself. NV is much better than F3 and anyone who thinks otherwise is a zoomer who played F3 first as a kid and has nostalgia for it. It's that simple.
>NV is much better than F3 and anyone who thinks otherwise is a zoomer who played F3 first as a kid and has nostalgia for it. It's that simple.
no one said anything about FO3 being better than NV, just hat NV is a troony game. you are now making shit up that no one said, you must be a israelite as well as a troon
If you've ever been on Cinemaphile, which you have because you wouldn't otherwise know the NV troony meme, you would know that the superiority of F3 is all such troony meme pushers talk about.
Which Overseer? You mean Hank? How is he a racist?
Anyway the worldbuilding is fine. Like any sensible writers would they probably didn't want to overwhelm newcomers with 3 hours of established and abridged lore drop. Viewers can look that shit up on youtube if they want to (believe me there is no shortage of it). Everything required for the story was revealed. Everything else can be dolled out as the story requires it.
The cyclops who has a conversation that is blatantly the writer saying 'this is what right wingers are like!' even with the 'stinky food' meme that coloured folk like to cry about, complete with how he makes 'offensive jokes' and isn't supportive of immigration. Incredibly unsubtle stuff.
>Anyway the worldbuilding is fine.
In any Fallout game you'll be in a major settlement within an hour and everyone knows and talks about some major hub or faction, etc. This show spent like 5 minutes in that small megaton place but was otherwise solely concerned with moving from vault to vault, stitched together with 10 cliched scenes per episode of violence juxtaposed with jolly music. No sense of civilisation or world at all really.
the Black person is unneccessary and the nonbinary character was cringe as frick.
other than that, it's so far enjoyable. but I will be more than happy to shit on the woke garbage aspects anytime
kek from the thumbnail it looks like the JUST meme
If they're gonna have a Brotherhood character they should at least make him loyal to the cause. Maximus isn't a BoS diehard he betrays them like mad and wants to leave.
He was conflicted. Was bullied constantly. Framed for a crime he didn't commit and was nearly executed. Was used as bait by someome he idolized as a child. His reality was literally crumbling before his eyes. This is why when he was in the comfortable vault he wanted to stay. Until he saw his friend being captured and his sense of justice returned.
People think he is a bad character but you have to see the big picture. Also the brotherhood of steel really seem like the bad guys in this series. Not sure if that is intentional or set up for something.
>Also the brotherhood of steel really seem like the bad guys in this series.
I'm subscribing to the theory that Hank didn't actually nuke Shady Sands, he technically never admitted to that, it was actually the Brotherhood who conveniently showed up in the ruins right after the bomb went off and who are more likely to have access to nukes than Vault 33.
the non-binary character self-mutilated rather than leave their safe space, typical
Well she didn’t have a dick to cut off so she had to do the best she could. She was born with woman-brain.
>Worth a watch
it has some logic holes, lore problems, unintentional silliness, modern politics are still visible, has room for improvement etc.. but its very much a fallout story
Whaaaaaaaat? You’re telling me that the end point of a successful corporation ISNT killing off everybody on earth (all the customers) to somehow become the most successful corporation on earth? It’s like it’s what a moronic teenager thinks capitalism is.
anon it's been established for decades that corporate america and the federal government (enclave) conspired to survive the nuclear war and establish the true america with themselves, that was the point of the enclave
Okay but that’s not what fricking happened with the show. It’s a pretty major plot point but maybe you should just go watch the last episode or something.
You didn’t watch the show did you?
>killing off everybody on earth (all the customers)
yeah, this doesn't align well with the games, where its nearly uniformly shown vault-tec and other companies got pretty much caught off-guard with their personnel mostly out of position when the bombs dropped
Tim Cain said on his youtube channel that he thinks Vault-Tec was definitely willing and had a strategy to drop the bombs (probably coordinated with with the Enclave) but they probably didn't actually do it because Barb would definitely have not timed the launch to happen at a time when her daughter was at a birthday party.
>very much a bethesda fallout story
Easy to watch, easy to forget, and better not try to think about anything or you'll immediately break any immersion you might have had. A solid 2/5 wacky zany humour action show.
This. Bethesda was shit at writing main plot-lines since Oblivion. The TV show faithfully recreates that failure.
>The TV show faithfully recreates that failure.
Todds personally involved
>Walton Goggins acts circles around everybody
>Big Eyes also gave a pretty good performance
>everybody else was serviceable
>all the woke stuff is garbage
I don't know what you expected from an Amazon prime vidya adaptation.
The main Black person can't act for shit, but I decided to give it a go, and try to look past the wokeness
Much like Cavill in the Netflix Witcher series, Goggins hard carries the show whenever he's on screen and it becomes very enjoyable. Unlike the Witcher, the side characters aren't completely annoying and the production values and set pieces are very good. They manage to capture the overall goofy atmosphere of Fallout.
It triggers the aa fatigue, if you can see past that it's surprisingly good despite the shitty millennial dialogue.
Do you like the quirky and zany Fallout universe? If the answer is Yes, then strap your pepboy on!
imagine being so mindbroken by a tv show you write this up lmao
Never met a desi have you?
>I've been eating shit (F3,F4,NV) my entire life, but now i suddenly have standards
I generally think therapy is a scam but goddamn you make a very convincing case for it
Moldaver was a shit villain full of plot holes but I kind of like the idea that everyone and their dog from some crazy cult leader scientist to some random small town mayor is calling themselves the legitimate government like how everyone from Greeks to Russians to the Turks claimed to be the true Rome, or every random warlord announced themselves to be the new emperor of China every time a dynasty fell.
You have to turn your brain off to enjoy it. As in the show will make a point of showing how strong power armor is, allowing you to toss a large rock like a mile away, but punching a bear three times does barely anything at all. Oh also you can punch a ghoul and send him flying 50 feet, only for him to get back up and keep going like it wasnt anything.
It's a marvel tier experience, where everyone is quippy, and they jangle fallout shaped keys in front of you constantly to maintain your attention.
Theres also the nonbinary they really shove in your face, the black guy who is practically a copy of finn from star wars, and the constant incest jokes that really mean nothing to the story.
Is it trash? Nah, there's a good skeleton there, but its pretty typical of the kind of shit that comes out these days, only it's fallout themed.
>Theres also the nonbinary they really shove in your face
1/3 of the first episode and maybe 5 min of the 2nd episode isn’t really shoving Dane down your throat. And the character isn’t typical woke, one character refers to Dane as “they” once and that’s it
They could have just had the character in there and left it up the audience to discuss what they were seeing. No, they add them in, and make a point of not using he or she when the higher up member was addressing them. I don't care if they want to stick the character in. I think it's stupid to pretend its not a guy, as woman in the role of a soldier instead of a scribe is kind of fricking stupid and wouldn't happen, but it's fantasy so whatever. The show makes a point to put this character in your face and reinforce they are nonbinary, for no point. Just like the incest shit they keep pushing, it has no point. These hack writers can't help but insert this shit in here when theres no need for it. Just like how the black guy is a bumbling tard. Why is he even like that? He could have the same story experience acting like a normal person. I will say after the first two episodes all the dumb shit becomes less of a thing (except for not-finn being a bumbling tard all the time).
One other character referred to them using the pronoun "their", instead of he or her.
>THEYRE SHOVING IT IN OUR FACES
You sound very fragile. Did the show hurt your feelings?
Meds
>where everyone is quippy
this was the least quippy modern pop culture television I've seen in years. the humor is from people acting absurd and never calling it out which is the opposite of marvel quips.
yep, pretty much
it's garbage, woke or not, it's garbage
Anybody else catch that scene in ep1 where all the white BoS guys were playing basketball and they were all missing even the easiest shots?
Pretty clever, Klaus.
let me ask you this op: how do you feel about miscegination?
it's pretty alright actually
better than expected
i liked the ending
So what happened with the broken water chip plot? Did they just fix it off screen or scavenge water from Vault 32 or something?
it was just a joke reference to the games, mooler
>Did they just fix it off screen or scavenge water from Vault 32 or something?
Even if we assume Vault 32's chip is intact they still would have only one chip between Vaults 32 and 33.
Evil white man
Feminist leader wamen
Black person
Your lovely netflix israelite slop, enjoy
Show that broked Cinemaphile's mind
It's worth a watch, they made all the men absolute homosexuals and weak, bar one but its not a bad show. Its woke but very subtle with it, you barely notice it.
>Its woke but very subtle with it
You are not very subtle moronic shill.
Yeah holy shit the drones really woke up out of no where
>Worth a watch, or woke garbage?
both
worth a watch. no more woke than the games.
>no more woke than the games.
You are a moron shill.
I know you are.
First 4 episodes are eh but the last four are pretty good TV, worth a watch. Goggins steals every scene he's in, the setpieces and costumes are high quality. I laughed at more than a couple scenes, they nailed the black humor.
Don't really like that they destroyed the entire NCR just like that but at least we're guaranteed to get some New Vegas/House kino in S2. Hell maybe the Legion even makes a cameo.
>I laughed at more than a couple scenes
You are a moron.
>they nailed the black humor.
There's no humor moron.
The Knight Titus scenes are hilarious, had me in stitches
Now im definitely watching the show
If anything, they nailed the goofiness of the games TOO well. It's kind of cringey, if I'm honest.
it's pretty good honestly
I thought it would be worse
The Goggins ghoul story is kino and it's less woke than I expected. Watchable for sure.
>Thread is just shills samegayging.
>i-i-is that a BLACK actor???
>in MY televised and or streaming programme?!
>this is WOKE
it's getting a little fricking ridiculous, guys
>every white man is bad and weak apart from 1 who is covered in makeup to make his whiteness less apparent
>black guy is main love interest
>make main woman a bawd who wants to have sex after knowing him for 5 minutes
I was initially surprised the first guy she fricks wasn't black, but then I realised that to do that they'd need to make the raider a black man, which they obviously wouldn't do.
>every white man is bad and weak
people like you and moronic ragebaiters like mauler on youtube keep saying this about hank but it makes no sense.
>hank is weak, that's why he nuked shady sands
>hank is bad, that's why he stands by what he believes is the best course of action
>that's why he does terrible things to advance his cause and protect his family, because he's bad and weak
NO ONE in the fallout universe is "good" you moron, why do you fail to comprehend the one constant message in the games?
>dude there's LITERALLY no difference between being an evil psychopath and nuking megaton and killing people on sight like a raider and doing things that you believe will help people but being a bit corrupt or something. It's literally the same!
And you think you can call other people moronic? Also, ask literally any normie redditor who watched the show, or the writers for that matter, whether they think Hank is a good guy and more evil than Lucy and Maximus. You know what they will say, and what their intentions were. He's not portrayed as a complex and nuanced character.
the black protagonist is weak too lol
>make main woman a bawd who wants to have sex after knowing him for 5 minutes
its fricking obvious that dont really have any of that kind of social constructs that they did in the past, this is apparent in the way she acts and talks in general. /misc/ has made you fricking moronic
It's been that bad for years.
Black actor in supporting or lead role? Woke.
Female lead? Feminist woke shit.
Said actor in relationship with non-black character onscreen? Mega woke democrat shit.
Slightly masculine female? troony who cut their own wiener off and ate it.
Antagonist is male and/or white? Truly the downfall of our times and the end of white men.
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It's just a fricking tv show and shitheads here wanted to hate it. That's it. If they cannot call it "based", then it's automatically woke garbage. I wish these idiots would collectively kill themselves already.
stop pretending like you don't notice it too
describe the "acceptable" amounts of wokeness then for a fallout show, and don't deflect by saying 0
Describe the acceptable amounts of islamism for a fallout show, and don't deflect by saying 0
You are pathetic moronic shill.
Regarding both quality and wokeness, it's no better and no worse than any other Bethesda Fallout.
If you hated 3, 4, and 76, you'll hate this too.
I never liked mauler but he killed drinker
It's woke but it's still good
It's fine. The casting is comically woke but I can't muster the enthusiasm to care anymore. It's very good slop, but it is still slop.
There's nothing better on
I give it two chuckles and a snort
give it a shot
Don't want to make a separate thread so I'll just post here, but who writes this shit? The more I think about how much Moldaver and everything around her doesn't make sense the more implausible events of the show seem to be.
Thinking back, Wilzig is honestly one of the most confusing characters, we can infer that he's one of the pre-war scientists (who is both Vault-Tec and Enclave) and that he probably knew Moldaver beforehand. We also know that he's been working on cold fusion for years because the dog literally grew up. We also know that Wilzig ran away very recently from the moment Moldaver kidnapped Hank from the Vault to get Vault-Tec code I think? Here's where I am confused about though, are Moldaver kidnapping Hank and Wilzig finishing cold fusion mcguffin related events? Show seems to imply so, however, how did she know Wilzig finished the mcguffin or why didn't Moldaver go for the mcguffin right away, Bud's Buds were in a fricking Vault, from her point of view saving Wilzig should've been the top priority rather than going for Hank because if she doesn't reach Wilzig she'd have no use for Hank anyway. And she also had no reason to believe she'd be able to get Hank or similar person before she loses Wilzig.
So, basically, what I am saying is that Moldaver infiltrating Vault 33 makes no sense both if she knew that Wilzig completed the device (Wilzig should be top priority) and if she didn't know (she has no use for Hank) in the timeframe and order of events in the show.
Am I overthinking this or did the writers not think this through at all?
Nothing about Wigglez read as "pre-war human" to me. He was an Enclave scientist who defected to the Institute.
The fact that he traveled from BOSNYWASH to Venice Beach definitely indicates that, chronologically, he did his escape at least a week before he met Lucy on the beach. So if you play the story in order his actions were probably the first.
>Nothing about Wigglez read as "pre-war human" to me.
well.. we don't exactly get to spend a lot of time with the guy but running into a literal cold fusion scientist in the wasteland would probably make me ask how old is he because that is something that was developed pre-war and fusion cores cost thousands of caps
You do know what the Enclave and Institute are, right? He was probably a scientist from conception.
The more likely scenario is that he learned about and then stole the prototype from some storehouse or cache that the Enclave or Institute had procured in the 200 years since the world ended.
He connection with Muldaver, however it came about, is the plothole you should be isolating and examining.
>You do know what the Enclave and Institute are, right?
institutes fusion project was built pre-war, right?
Are you conflating "Fusion" with "Cold Fusion?"
The little blue pill, whatever it was, had a damn Vault-Tec logo printed on the side of it. So either that device was itself pre-war (and stored away with nobody paying it much mind) or it was built to exact specifications, logo and all, by Wigglez. But neither of those scenarios require Benjamin Linus to have been frozen at any point in time.
It could be explained that Enclave found it, Wigglez was tasked with jailbreaking it but he couldn't and knew he would be "disposed of" for it and Enclave would eventually get the code anyways ( either jailbreaking, or doing what Moldaver did and just kidnapping someone who knew the code). So he ran away.
>Are you conflating "Fusion" with "Cold Fusion?"
I read his description from wiki, it said cold-fusion scientist
If you're reading things off of the Wiki then why are you asking if he is a pre-war scientist? It would say so on the Wiki.
You can thus see the differentiation between a "Fusion Core" and whatever the "Cold Fusion" pellet was.
It's foreshadowed (more like telegraphed) in one of the later episode pre-war flashbacks, where Moldaver explains that Vault-Tek bought her cold fusion prototype and shelved it.
Then in "current day" it turns out they were working on it in secret and this is the result. The Enclave most likely knew of it, because Vault-Tek was co-developing a lot of their tech with the old government from which Enclave descends.
The TV show is riddled with plot-holes and convenient coincidences, but this one is the one of the less objectionable ones.
>He connection with Muldaver, however it came about, is the plothole you should be isolating and examining.
It's honestly extremely baffling the more you think about it.
>Scenario A: Wilzig doesn't know who Moldaver is from pre-war times or is a pre-war scentist himself. It's realistic that he would know who Moldaver is, show hypes her up as "flame mother" throughout the season, but why would she go to her considering NCR is in ruins, like, what protection from Enclave can she offer him is dubious at best. Also unlikely coincidence that he essentially finished her life's work
>Scenario B: Wilzig knew who Moldaver is pre-war and specifically set out to finish Moldaver's project. Show seemingly is screaming that is the case, but plausibility of that is dubious at best as it would imply that him and Moldaver somehow were in contact one with another entire time, and if they were, and even if Wilzig was busted on mistake, it still makes no sense that Moldaver basically spared no effort to bring Wilzig with her life's work to her. She kind of got everything handed to her on accident she put no effort into other than kidnapping Hank.
>Nothing about Wigglez read as "pre-war human" to me.
The way he spoke about suicide pills felt like a wink about that to me.
garbage
Define “woke”
Literally a scene of a black man kissing a white woman while a israelite looks on in the background grinning and rubbing his hands together
I would say its pretty much 0% woke and I hate woke shit with a passion. I fully expected to hate this show but I am enjoying it a lot
It's Fallout.
The character writing is on the level of Fallout 1, 2 & New Vegas.The characters are complex, develop over time and have fun dialogue.
Main story writing is on the level of Fallout 3 & 4. So not good and full of ridiculous plot holes. If you were able to tolerate these two games and still have fun, you'll be entertained here as well.
The show absolutely nails the atmosphere and mostly the humor. The vault sets are impressive.
The only woke tax this show paid is they/them character who turns out to be a good friend.
Worth-a-watch / 10
Personally, I rate it at 8/10. Liked it overall, but the "plot" was only tolerable because the show nailed the other things.
Pretty solid take. I don’t necessarily like every narrative decision made by the show, but I enjoyed it.
I always worry when I see a diverse main cast that it’s just for pandering, but Max kind of felt like Finn done correctly. People say he can’t act, but to me, his autistic and strange delivery really sold Max as a low INT character kek. Really enjoyed his performance by the end.
I suspect Max is done this way intentionally. A fumbling bumbling idiot with good heart who makes mistakes both in actions he takes and morality of decisions he makes.
To me, he's the epitome of chaotic neutral. I strongly suspect he's gonna have a generic betrayal-but-then-changed mind in Season 2.
This. Fallout series jumped the shark with introduction of synths in F4. The Brotherhood of Steel and Enclave were able to preserve and barely iteratively improve pre-war technology. But a few children of eggheads were able to establish high-tech society capable of inventing and mass-producing synthetic humans.
That's so far out of left field, you can't even see the home base.
I genuinely hope that Fallout TV series does not bring these up again, and they get conveniently forgotten. Like the Chinese infiltration plot of Fallout 3.
As a fellow non-American, the they/them character does kinda fit the militaristic nature of brotherhood.
If anything, given that we have them theys in >current year, it's likely they'll exist in future as well.
Woulda fricked the freaky troony thing if it weren't for her mustache. Overall like a 6 outta ten
Catchall AXX2
Fallout = Woke amazon leftist degen reddit gay lgbt racemixing troony feminist gay israeli Black personr homosexual humilation ritual garbage
critical drinker liked it.
chuds lost.
just watch it and see for yourself, you stupid son of a b***h. if you let anons tell you what is up and what is down then youre going to be trolled into living life as a miserable frick who needs permission on what to think. men that are too mentally fragile to decide for themselves dont belong on the internet
watch the cuck show white boi
it's entertaining garbage
K1ke niger troony dogshit.
Maybe I missed a scene but who were the random NCR father and son Goggins went to for information? The scene implied they knew each other but not who or how they knew each other
They were just "lead farmers" wearing old ranger armor; It has cooling capabilities.
Also that scene and the implied familiarity is just 1:1 ripping off a scene from The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.
Woke troony shit
Tax writeoff slop
Amazon troony Black person israelite goyslop
Woke amazon leftist feminist troony Black person homosexual reddit israelite goyslop
woke trash
Made for reddit troonys
Too much race mixing
Very one-sided viewpoint against "capitalism"
Otherwise they did much better than i expected them too
That’s every Amazon show. Rings of Power literally does not have a single non race mixed couple. Like, there is no way to argue that’s not on purpose. They really think audiences just have no concept of story or acting or production and they’re just going to clap like seals if there’s diversity
The only child given birth in the entire show is a WM/WF. Max is black but he's also a sexless/kissless virgin and a literal psychopath. Lucy is just gullible and latching onto the only positive thing that she's experience topside and even that is a complete lie.
Holy cope
If “woke” means “diversity and libshit to the point it’s distracting and hamfisted” then yeah it is. I dunno why they can’t just be normal. It’s got to be over the top in everything. But this is probably the first Amazon show I’ve ever seen that I can actually watch. Even though the acting is hilariously bad except for Machlachlan and the lead girl, it doesn’t sound like it was written by an AI like other Amazon shows. I dunno why they andNetflix choose to be like this- they have to make a dozen of these shitfests before one of them gets popular.
You can tell Todd and friends are still absolutely seething over New Vegas and the pre-Bethesda Fallouts still being considered superior.
They absolutely rape and pillage the lore while telling the most generic CW story. The acting is awful, set design always feel fake and of course it has the status quo political humiliation ritual against the very people who popularized the franchise.
take your fricking meds
>literally based on a video game
Maybe you shouldn't be making shows on video games if you can't put up with criticism. Fricking morons
they don't have to copy it verbatim
that would be boring
How? One could easily rewrite the entire thing without being lore-breaking, so why break it at all?
If they copied it verbatim you'd have no idea though because you don't know shit about the original lore
I want talented writers like jonathan nolan to use their imagination and not worry about autistic lore
I played those games and don't remember plot/lore details because that is boring information to remember
>I played those games
which ones
or just play the game if that's the content you want. crazy i know;
Maybe you should frick off and ruin a different franchise, amazon shill.
maybe you should stop watching things you pretend to hate.
Everyone knows you homosexuals are:
1.literally 11 yo
2. A Redditor so pathetic they come here because they have something to prove to no one but themsleves
3. An pajeet making 10 cents an hour in a basement in Mumbai working for a company that American entertainment studios contract to astro turf social media
fallout breaks its own lore with every new release lmao its expected.
imagine taking FALLOUT of all IPs this seriously. death to all NV trannies
that pic is how i imagine you people every time i see your posts
stumpy, grumpy old lady mole miner mutants
>lore-breaking
>muh heckin video game lore!!!
lmao
Every woketard post on this board uses the word chud, which makes me think whoever in the marketing department came up with the idea to astroturf hasn’t updated their script since like 2016
genuinely the only "woke" thing I noticed (speaking as a non American) was the androgynous brotherhood initiate (and they're still called a Brother of steel)
it must be exhausting to live life in such a way that you see any more than that.
>walking tanks that are too heavy for sustained flight are now lightweight ironman suits that can be whipped around like a pinata
>Shady Sands is now where the Boneyard is supposed to be
>Shady Sands nuke in 2277 even though Fallout New Vegas starts in 2281
>BoS base is flying an American flag when the BoS literally began as a secession militia at Mariposa
>No mention of the Master or how the vaults in the show somehow escaped his reign
>Pip-boys don't go off with Rad spikes when the raiders first enter the vault
>Yao Guai fight scene is completely moronic
I don't know how anyone can watch this slop and think "HURRR IT WAS GOOD". You Black folk are mentally deficient.
Sands nuke in 2277 even though Fallout New Vegas starts in 2281
The fall of shady sands and the nuke are separate events, moron
Then what year was the nuke you fricking idiot
Todd said in an interview it was "right after events of New Vegas" and NV is still canon.
?t=147
Shady Sands literally could not have fallen in 2277, nuke or not. How is this difficult to understand?
Fall of Shady Sands is observed event in New Vegas.When NCR became weak, spread too thin and corrupt.
Can your literal autistic mind comprehend when the Roman Empire fell, it did not explode?
Tandy was the first president of NCR. Women were literally in charge from day 1.
>Fall of Shady Sands is observed event in New Vegas.When NCR became weak, spread too thin and corrupt.
That was never in Fallout New Vegas.
Shady Sands did not fall in New Vegas nor did it fall before it. This is a fact. Stop making up bullshit to justify a dumb fricking mistake that could have been easily avoided.
Its literally spelled out for you in the game by multiple characters, including Ceasar himself. Not to mention the end-credits, if you do decide to side with NCR.
Are you sure you even played the game?
Yes, I did. Show me where the game says the capital of the fricking NCR had fallen four years before the game's events. Every justification you morons make for that dumb blackboard just makes you look more moronic.
>Fall of Shady Sands is observed event in New Vegas.When NCR became weak, spread too thin and corrupt.
Yeah that is clearly what the show is trying to say. Fricking moron.
Todd's damage control and his paid youtube shills still can't negate the fact that the show is still lore-breaking crap. Its worse than Fallout 4, which falls apart in the very beginning
>institute needs pre-war dna
>find an entire vault with pre-war humans
>should we take a medical team, engineers, a trauma counselor, and maybe some gen-2 synths for security?
>nah frick that, bring the psychotic cyborg who shoots a mom for being a mom
>juicehead
>pretend
Cope.
I'm this guy. I'm well aware of F4's high moronicness:
But nice attempt at change of topic.
It's when women and minorities took power in the city. Years later they noticed only fix is to nuke it.
How did it fall in 2277 if its still running during the events of Fallout New Vegas?
IIRC the only mention of the NCR falling in New Vegas was House making a prediction that they would in collapse in 10 years due to corruption, but we never saw it happen, not even in the DLC.
It's not a singular event that happened on a single day. Just like the fall of Roman Empire took decades.
It's the overall decline of NCR due to infighting and its failed expansionist policy.
Ceasar mentions that observing this decay is the reason why he established the legion in the first place:
?t=16
A few other characters mention the status quo as well. That NCR is no longer able to defend its territory, which is now subject to Legion, Brotherhood and bandit raids.
Yes. That is exactly what the show is trying to say. Kind Regard. The fall of Shady Sands and it's nuking are two separate events on the timeline. That's why the nuke is to the right. That's how timelines work.
Am I going crazy? THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE THE BLACKBOARD DESCRIBE SHADY SANDS AS A UTOPIA.
Just because the life was good doesn't mean the entire NCR wasn't going to shit. See: USA.
I literally just sent you a link for firsthand witness of the fall who used it as motivation of major plot point.
No, you didn't. Caesar didn't once mention that Shady Sands has fallen. You homosexuals aren't even trying.
Oh, you have autism
The only one who has autism is you, not understanding a basic point. Post a single quote from New Vegas saying the capital of the NCR has fallen. Please, for the love of god, it's a simple request.
No I mean straight up you have diagnosed autism, you can't handle things that aren't spelled out literally for you. You can still learn to read between the lines if you really try, but it's a struggle.
My apologies. Didn't realize I was dealing with such high degree of regard.
Shady Sands is the capitol of NCR. The seat of power. If NCR is declining, it's because of Shady Sands.
>Just because the life was good doesn't mean the entire NCR wasn't going to shit. See: USA.
Let's say Washington DC gets nuked tomorrow. Shortly afterwards you hear someone talking about "The Fall of Washington DC". Would you instantly assume they were talking about fricking inflation?
If someone talks about the fall of Washingotn DC and then says it *later* got nuked, yes.
People do talk about the US declining all the time, yet you couldn't give me a straight answer.
>Likewise, when someone says the fall of USA, I'm not immediately assuming nukes.
When people say "Fall of Japan" do you assume they mean 1937? When Japan overextended itself?
>>It's not a singular event that happened on a single day. Just like the fall of Roman Empire took decades.
BUT THE SHOW GIVES A SINGULAR YEAR
>When people say "Fall of Japan" do you assume they mean 1937? When Japan overextended itself?
I mean, did Rome get nuked, when it fell? Or the British Empire? Or the First French Republic? Or Soviet Union?
>I mean, did Rome get nuked, when it fell? Or the British Empire? Or the First French Republic? Or Soviet Union?
No ,which is why they are irrelevant examples compared to Japan. Shady Sands DID get nuked.
When discussing falls of empires, they are the best examples of what fall means. Especially where other parts of the media actually discusses the fall before the nuking.
>When people say "Fall of Japan" do you assume they mean 1937? When Japan overextended itself?
If they mention it and say it got nuked after the fall, yes.
Here's a question you can't give a straight answer to. On a timeline, what does an arrow between two points mean?
>BUT THE SHOW GIVES A SINGULAR YEAR
And the fall of the Roman Empire is in 476. Yet the provinces were still governed for decades after by various self-proclaimed emperors and kings.
>Here's a question you can't give a straight answer to. On a timeline, what does an arrow between two points mean?
The arrow tends to be the end of the timeline, there usually are no points after it.
>And the fall of the Roman Empire is in 476.
Okay, so what event in Shady Sands is comparable to Odoacer deposing the last western emperor?
>The arrow tends to be the end of the timeline, there usually are no points after it.
Ah I see so shady sands didn't get nuked, that's just a plan for the future. Why are we arguing about it then?
>Okay, so what event in Shady Sands is comparable to Odoacer deposing the last western emperor?
What event indeed.
Here's another point that connects to the fall of rome: Do you believe the President of the NCR in the show is real? If so, why is Moldaver, leader of "The Capital of the NCR" at Griffith Observatory, on a wanted poster?
>Ah I see so shady sands didn't get nuked, that's just a plan for the future. Why are we arguing about it then?
It's timeline leading up to an event.
>Ah I see so shady sands didn't get nuked
Sure it was. It's marked right there in 2277, with a nice illustration next to it.
>What event indeed.
What are you even trying to say? People who say "Rome fell in 476" are referring to the very specific event of Odoacer sacking Rome. They are not talking about the crisis of the third century or isolated remnant provinces. Similarly "Shady Sands fell in 2277" would clearly refer to a specific event.
>People who say "Rome fell in 476" are referring to the very specific event of Odoacer sacking Rome.
> People
Well, if this is, as you claim, the popular opinion, then let's check what a popular information aggregate says about the Fall of the Western Roman Empire:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_the_Western_Roman_Empire
>The fall of the Western Roman Empire, also called the fall of the Roman Empire or the fall of Rome, was the loss of central political control in the Western Roman Empire, a process in which the Empire failed to enforce its rule
> a process in which the Empire failed to enforce its rule
> a process
> process
Process, not a day.
So. A popular information aggregate refers to a decade long decline as fall of Roman Empire (or Rome).
So people refer to a decade long decline as fall of Roman Empire (or Rome).
As such, the "people" you are attempting to invoke are in direct disagreement with you.
Holy shit go frick yourself. I acknowledged the long decline in my comment. It was the guy I was responding to who said Rome fell in 476. And if you are ONE OF THE PEOPLE who do so, you are clearly referring to a specific event.
"Fall of the Roman Empire" is broad and ambiguous.
"Fall of the city of Rome (476)" is not.
>"Fall of the Roman Empire" is broad and ambiguous.
No, it happened in 476 according to chalkboard-tier timelines.
>in 2277
Oh my mistake, I didn't notice the nuke illustration was inside the box labeled 2277. In my confusion I thought it was on a separate data point further in the chronological order.
Silly me.
Not to mention that Titus or Maximus or whatever his fricking name was also spoke the year aloud. There is no way to go "Well somebody wrote it wrong" or "they're being vague" or "the city fell THEN the bomb came later."
Titicus tells Lucy that it happened in 2277 and she attempts to correct him saying that no, the world ended in 2077.
So the logic is, "the blackboard can be wrong" AND ALSO "Black man can be wrong" but it can't be both.
>Titicus tells Lucy that it happened in 2277 and she attempts to correct him saying that no, the world ended in 2077.
What's the exact dialogue?
Yes, he was a kid at the time it happened, confuses nuking of Shady Sands with the nuclear apocalypse, and doesn't know how his penis works.
I'll take a classroom blackboard over his opinion. Thank you very much.
The former Ranger calls Moldaver a madwoman in the hills", alongside the whole "flame mother" cult I dunno how any viewer can have come away from that thinking she's a legitimate NCR leader and not just another cosplayer LARPing as the NCR.
>The former Ranger calls Moldaver a madwoman in the hills", alongside the whole "flame mother" cult I dunno how any viewer can have come away from that thinking she's a legitimate NCR leader
maybe she was like 40 spots down the chain of command, the designated survivor?
What does "legitimate NCR leader" mean? As far as we know from the show, the NCR no longer exist outside of those LARPer remnants. If it did, why do the Shady Sands survivors have to huddle up in vaults and ruins?
Which is kinda bullshit if you realize how vast the NCR is. But sure, why not, JJ Abrams logic, we have no idea what to do with the New Republic, so we'll just delete it. The annoying thing is that this NCR has no connection to the NCR from the games, it was destroyed by a pre-War threat that came out of nowhere and the games never established and are now lead by some pre-War person that also came out of nowhere and the games never established. Even Shady Sands is presented wrong.
Agreed. A large post-war nation struggling/crumbling by stepping into the same pitfalls as its pre-war predessecors, with its varied regions and cities having different reactions, would be interesting. A single isolated utopian city getting nuked out of existence off-screen by jealous 200-year-old corpos is not.
You could've taken some cues for ancient Rome's playbook and present NCR in the middle of a civil war, or transforming into an efficient, but ruthless empire, anything is more interesting than show's, "lol, they all died off-screen, nuked by some 200-year-old cuck with a magical nuke".
I dunno about you man but that scene screamed sort of like how Enclave was portrayed in Fallout New Vegas except towards NCR (Remnants of Enclave who don't really give a frick about the cause and were cursed with burden of their past and would prefer if people didn't know about that). The father seemingly had given up on the cause and now has to scavenge for caps to live another day (something a man with a salary probably wouldn't be doing), while his sons are young and still are ready to die for the cause.
I silently hope that after the fan blacklash, Season 2 shows the actual might of the NCR, because it seems like the only person who was content with how the NCR was handled was Todd Howard.
>BUT THE SHOW GIVES A SINGULAR YEAR
Does it give A SINGLE DATE?
The bombs fell on October 23rd 2077, but the best date for "Fall of Shady Sands" is the entire year of 2277?
Jeez. That's one slow nuke.
He's being deliberately obtuse and posting Caesar (a biased source lmao) talking about the structural decline of the NCR while completely ignoring that the fall of a city means exactly that: a city fell. He can't post one piece of evidence that Shady Sands had fallen by New Vegas because there is none.
Likewise, when someone says the fall of USA, I'm not immediately assuming nukes.Especially after playing NV and paying attention that NCR was in decline by that time.
Especially if I see a timeline where the fall is shown to precede the nuking.
The people who seem to screech about New Vegas being retconned are the ones who did not seem to pay attention while playing it.
>That whole video just talks about the NCR deteriorating. There's no actual fall to watch.
My brother in Christ. That is the "fall". See:
>It's not a singular event that happened on a single day. Just like the fall of Roman Empire took decades.
>I literally just sent you a link for firsthand witness of the fall who used it as motivation of major plot point
That whole video just talks about the NCR deteriorating. There's no actual fall to watch.
>character mentions this
>character mentions that
Yes, I know. Like I said, we see a lot of talk in the game, but the NCR or Shady Sands did not fall in New Vegas, which is what you originally posted.
You don't see it happen in the show either, so what are you complaining about?
It's five words on a chalkboard, it holds as much weight as any of those people talking.
I marathoned the entire series last night from 9pm to 5am. Firstly, a few things about me, the reviewer.
I'm tall, White, blonde haired, blue eyed, and have fricked over a hundred women. I make good money working from home. I don't really watch tv nor do I own one. My last 3 shows I've watched have been Shogun, Chernobyl, and the Terror. My favorite movie is either the Mummy (Frasier version) or The Mask of Zorro. I've played Fallout 3, NV, and 4. New Vegas is arguably the greatest video game of all time if you count what the mod community has added to it. I hate israelites, gays, blacks, and pretty much everything that isn't White and beautiful. I care about animals more than people, and more about nature more than society. This is my review.
1. Of all the things I've seen talked about on this show the one thing that convinces me that you're all a bunch of fricking mixed race mutt philistines is how fricking NONE OF YOU dedicated even a modicum of your time or energy to discussing how fricking based Norm Maclean is and how he, BY HIMSELF, is worth watching the show. Fricking every god damn scene with Norm is peak 10/10, Lucy's POV is how we are introduced to the Wasteland. Norm is how we are introduced to what Fallout is and why it is.
2. I didn't know who the lesbian character was until the last 3 minutes of the season and even then it's a human woman touching another woman's hand as she dies. Maybe I missed some obvious dyking out. But I didn't understand that complaint where there's no other visible signs of homosexuality.
3. I didn't realize who the trans person was until the cult scene (and I'm still only half sure it's her or him or however that actually works). That she was the only one and located in a vault filled w/ refugee freak science projects wasn't lost on me.
>copy-pasted shill narrative
You loved Rings of Power, didn't you?
>the israelite cries out as you name it
>Alright guys I'm a chad white man who's racist. Rings of Power was full of Black folk BUT
Thank you for sticking up for us, Anon! Your bethesda merch is shipping now. Play Fallout 76 and stop by the Atom Shop for your wasteland fix.
4. Every scene there were obvious skill checks and stat checks which we see multiple characters having success and failure with.
Lucy has great intelligence and endurance and repair skills and while her charisma is high she fails practically every speech, barter, and stealth check. Her str and agi traits are definitely low but her unarmed skill is (along with science and repair) are her tags. Obvious representation of karmic good.
Max has really high END and LUCK, his INT and Charisma are putrid. I'm guessing his STR is probably above average. I think his AGI is probably low but his gun skill is definitely tagged. His perception might be the lowest in the show. He is CLEARLY the representation of Karmic Evil and it wouldn't surprise me if he's a Father Elijah class villain by the end.
The Ghoul is clearly a high level overperked over tuned character with 7+ in END, AGI, STR, and PER and LUCK while his INT is low and his charisma is a literal 0. Clearly highest gun skill in the show. Also an addict. Final assessment of karma: Neutral.
5. I liked the story. It felt like fallout. A lot of the nonWhites get owned and/or humiliated in various ways so I didn't mind their DEInclusion.
6. They did not do New Vegas justice in the final rendition. They basically removed everything that wasn't the Strip. It looks like shit. If they're going to follow in the footsteps of Star Wars and try to destroy what came before they are going to lose the fan base. I don't give a frick about the NCR, they were always the inferior playing option to the Legion, but if you frick with New Vegas we have a narrative problem. It'd be like taking Rohan out of the LOTR. It doesn't work because it can't.
>people complain about all the mutts in the show
>they all get humiliated, get blown the frick out, or are straight up hard karmic evil.
I'm ok with this?
Is Betty the Ghoul's wife?
or daughter?
Not only is the show lore-breaking and poorly written, but its a thinly-veiled fetish fest
>incest
>vore
>snuff
I'm sure there's more
>Bdsm
>Monster pregnancy
>Cult exhibitionism
>Bestiality joke thrown in
why is Dogmeat not a German Shepherd
Why should it be a German Shepherd?
You realize it's a different dog every time, right? It was different breed in every game.
>woke garbage
Just garbage.
The woke stuff was there and is kind of distracting, but the writing is just ass if you expect to take it even minutely seriously. Based on the ending, the showrunners wanted people to take it seriously.
it's over, shills
pack ur shit - it's another Bezos check going down the drain
Actually I think it had more success than they expected.
discount john boyega.
the main character, i love her so much, and realize why. it’s because she reminds me of emma stone
/ourgirl/ Pepina is cute
Why does every single Amazon show need super girlbosses and nonwhites crammed into every possible niche?
Id rape that zesty homies bussy with my huge wiener
Garbage script garbage dialogue israeli amazon marvel shit tier
Fallout is shit.
Fallout is for reddit troonys
Of course its woke garbage.
Do any b***hes puke in this show?
Yes, once.
Its not terribly woke. Its woke, obviously, nothing made by ~~*Amazon*~~ in current year is gonna NOT be woke, but its not nearly as bad as it could be. The main issue is that its fricking boring. I've watched 6 episodes, and I don't know if I can force myself to finish it. The story isn't interesting, the characters aren't interesting, and nothing is fricking happening. I can't fathom why this show is getting so much praise. It's tremendously dull.
It's fine if you liked Fallout 3, 4 or 76 aka the shit ones. If you liked good Fallouts, you'll just be annoyed. And if you never played Fallout, you'll just be confused.
Aside from capitalism is evil, it’s actually a good show
Have you noticed that everything and everyone that's important in this show is pre-War? Which is kinda counter to the themes of FO1, 2 and New Vegas who kept saying the pre-War is irrelevant.
You can make a good point with that actually, but only if you specifically set out a pre-war character to be the villain. Like the past refuses to die and shapes the future type of the deal. It's just that it seems like the show pulls out "actually, he could be pre-war" card only for convenience's sake. Unless the point of the season was specifically to make cold fusion reactor atonement for mistakes of the past, which is once again, never even hinted at, Wilzig was interested in finishing cold fusion reactor because it was convenient to the story and for Moldaver it was a passion project. Moldaver is also specifically the person who was already fighting Vault-Tek in the past, she's so good in the narative of the show both in the past and present she has nothing to atone for, it's world's fault for not listening to her. She was just doing her job that is coincidentally beneficial to people especially in world's current state seemingly just because she wanted to (we don't know what her plans possibly could've been if she wasn't killed, except for waiting patiently until BoS or Enclave rob her all the same)
>Worth a watch
Pros: The production and sets are impressive if not downright amazing. I haven't seen a videogame adaptation that goes as far as it has regarding the art style and design. It's slow, but it's the first season. The characters are ok. Goggins is clearly carrying the show though. I hope they make him the lead.
Cons: They've taken too many liberties with the history of the fictional world instead of just picking up where the games left off, which would make their jobs easier. This is taking big chances with losing first time viewers that have never played/have little interest in the games. If you HAVE played the games, the writing is downright awful. The BOS is a glorified paramilitary comparable to raiders. They have next to no discipline in contrast to the lockstep technocult organization in the games. The NCR have effectively been written out of the show. This limits a lot of the story potential since the characters will likely just drag themselves across an empty wasteland instead of getting involved in the "Wild West" society presented in the games.
I doubt we will see the Legion either, which is a massive letdown since they are the most interesting faction and probably the most aesthetically pleasing.
>or woke garbage
There's a troony actor and racemixing. I can't say the story itself shoves any leftist shit down your throat besides that.
BoS are written so out of character that I've seen theories that the show is doing it deliberately to hint at the fact that BoS we are seeing are a bizzare chapter developed from Caesar's Legion with very subtle hints, like Maximus's name (even though we know he's from Shady Sands, however, we don't know if it's his real name or name given to him by Caesar's BoS) or this BoS's insignia (it uses red and yellow colors, same as Caesar's Legion). People will literally go out of their way to justify bad writing as being intentional for this show.
Go woke go broke
World war 3 will start and this show will be nuked lol
If you usually notice woke stuff you will see it all over this show. The overall tone is marvel meme gag humor, not much to do with surviving in nuclear post-apocalypse. The worldbuilding sucks and the writers assume the viewers would know quite a bit about past events and specific details in the world, which means anyone who isn't a big fan is going to be scratching their heads wondering why they should care about x person/place/thing. In my opinion it does not stand on its own two legs because of that weakness more-so than the woke stuff. Maybe they will figure it out in season 2.
>The overall tone is marvel meme gag humor
Marvel meme gag humour is always based around calling things out like
>well THAT happened!
>uh guys I don't think this is a party
>That was so lame wasn't it?
For all its faults I never felt the show devolved into that, it always played the absurdism with a straight face like Fallout normally does.
>the writers assume the viewers would know quite a bit about past events and specific details in the world
Not at all. The show barely has any real connection to the games. None of the major post-war societies that were rebuilt in the games exist on the show. They're starting totally from scratch. One could easily go from the show to the games instead of the other way around.
This. The show is so bizzarely written that it's obvious they are wiping the slate clean, but it also wants to imply that previous games happened and the fact that they happened and what happens in them constantly bites them back in the ass. They are basically trying to have cake and eat it too and fail at it either because they don't care or don't even know what happened in the games and why it makes events of the show implausible. If games happened show can't happen, simple as that.
I mean, it kinda ties to what Avellone's been saying, that Bethesda only considers their own games hard-canon. They are considering lore of FO1 and canon out of politeness, but they can't even be bothered to work with it and the second this lore starts interfering with their ideas, they will happily delete it. And this is happening in the show.
Reddit lgbt troony Black personhomosexual leftist feminist israeli diversity shit
/pol/troony meltdown
Why though? Realistically the only real kind of punishment or penalty in Brotherhood of Steel should be banishment.
>He sucks at his job so we'll feed his intestines to vultures
its even more stupid that he just says this out loud while dying and relying on the dude he's chastising to save him.
>bro come save me. But you're gonna die soon because im going to tell everyone how bad you are!
What's even more bizzare is that I don't know if his chastizing were just lies because he was angry and hoping to scare him or Finn knew he wasn't lying and is telling the truth? Because Finn is so fricking stupid throughout the show that he really could've lived for 20 years with Brotherhood of Steel and not realize they have capital punishment, he's just that poorly written. He's so stupid that among major copes about the way the show is written is that Finn was specifically written as a low INT character, I am not joking. Even though low INT is applicable to every main character.
This happens when you have INT 1.
At least Maximus has 2.
You mean charisma? INT 1 would be him babbling incoherently like a moron.
I don't have Amazon prime. But when I check out buying on Amazon I have to be ultra careful not to tick the Amazon prime, to the stage I don't shop there much anymore, must be failing it's so forced.
A decent show ruined by "Capitalism is the enemy" instead of the Chinese being the ones who launched the nukes
It felt more like "multinationals are evil" wich is true considering they are pushing tr00nism, feminism ecc. Irl corpos are more evil than the tv show ones.
It felt more like a cope for not addressing the Chinese communists
It felt more like you're a moron if you think they dropped the bomb themselves without even securing the safety of their beloved ones.
Walton Goggins and his b***h wife were divorced at the start of the show. At worst she thought it's ok to nuke her daughter, at best, it might be a clue that because they got divorced Vault-Tec didn't include them in her Vault.
>lets nuke my daughter because i've divorced my husband
Thanks for confirming you're a moron.
I mean, if you read my post carefully I didn't say that Cooper's wife nuked her daughter. Like, at all. If anything I also provided a plausible explanation to the contrary point out that they were divorced and Vault-Tec are the ones who nuked her daughter possibly without letting her know or her being important enough to know that. It's entirely plausible that Vault-Tec still nuked the world and before they did that they literally kidnapped people they consider important enough to save.
/pol/yps can't enjoy anything without crying about Black folk or trannies. The show has been enjoyable so far.
It's good until the absolutely braindead moronic plottwist of "we nuked the world to sell vaults lmao"
Hey, remember when Fallout 1 and 2 kept saying that it doesn't matter who started the war, because the end result is the same and at this point nobody's alive to care?
>It's good until the absolutely braindead moronic plottwist of "we nuked the world to sell vaults lmao"
This, and people are outright saying "well, maybe the show is lying, just because they discussed nuking the world doesn't mean they actually nuked the world", even though it doesn't make the conversation any better. And why did they even bring up Vault experiments in the first place? Like, I think it was specifically Mr. House who said that they can do those experiments, but in the games the experiments were held by Vault-Tek at the behest of Enclave as a research on human condition in closed space for prolonged period of time because Enclave came to a conclusion that irradiated Earth was a lost cause. We understand why Enclave decided to frick with Vaults, but why did these frick ups bring up Vault experiments? What does Mr House hope to gain from Vault experiments and how can he see that as something profitable?
And another issue people I think really fail to bring up is the fact that whatever is happening in Walton Goggins's flashbacks have to end with the very first scene of the series of him running away with his daughter from nukes. The daughter is portrayed to be the same age throughout the season, meaning she's like 6-7, so at most the flashbacks take place in 2076, that's the earliest possible time it can take place. So the show suggests that Vault-Tek came up with entire Vault Boy identity based on Goggins and came up with Vault experiments a mere year before the world got nuked? Wouldn't some of the vaults make sense only if they were built for experiments right from the start, but this show suggests it was a course-correction?
In games, the Vault experiments, as ridiculous as they were, made sense. In the show... no.
Motherfricker, how does the vault with 999 women and 1 chinchilla contribute to your creation of a perfect society?
In the show they're literally Goebbels tier
In the game the experiments were for survival on the surface
more like you're one of those passive viewers
>In the game the experiments were for survival on the surface
In the game, the Enclave was building a giant colony spaceship to frick off from Earth. But because they only had one chance, they used the vaults to dry test all the possible frickups that may occur during the interstellar travel. That was the point of the Vault experimint.
The enclave is not vault-tec
I know. Vault-Tec in the games was completely irrelevant.
Didn't they create the FEV?
No, it was West-Tek, comissioned by US government. Vault Tec was irrelevant, it was West-Tec and Poseidon Energy that were the fronts for the Enclave.
Reminder that apparently Sinclaire is the head of West-Tek now. Meaning that West-Tek was ran by a casino owner.
No, Sinclair is the head of Big MT... which actually makes even less sense. This reference is so fricking random, I am convinced the showrunners just skimmed the wiki here.
Genuinely how do things like that even happen? So they bothered to dig up a name from New Vegas to use that players would be familiar with, but they didn't fact check or make sure that their reference even makes sense? If you want to have Mr House in the show, ok, I can probably buy that he was invited by Vault-Tec for couple of conversations (although he literally just provided them with pip boys, but whatever). But do they just not have guys who have played the games, at least one nerd to point out what can and can't happen? If anything I thought Todd is supposed to be that nerd and I can sort of buy that he deliberately allowed NV material to be used but used in a such a way that would only raise more questions.
It gets better. In the Shady Sands flashback, you can see an obelisk from the first game. So the crew put that obscure reference to FO1, but FRICKED UP THE LOOKS AND LOCATION OF SHADY SANDS.
It's amazing.
Enclave commisioned Vault-Tec to do that. Enclave is also a very wishy washy and elusive organization, so some Vault-Tec higher ups could've also been Enclave just on the premise of them being deep state with their hands on everything. But generally speaking they are not one and the same.
>In the game the experiments were for survival on the surface
Actually exact opposite, the Vaults were mostly designed to explore various ways of surviving and dying anywhere but the surface.
Its the genshin impact of videogame adaptations. What i mean is that people have been so used to mobile games being dogshit the second something something like genshin comes out that could qualify as a real videogame people eat that shit up. Even if genshin has horrible monitization and other issues its still more of a real game than raid shadow legends or clash of clans.
Thats what happened with the fallout show. We are so used to adaptations like witcher, halo, lotr the second something passable but still flawed comes out its lauded. Because standards and expetactions of the genre were so low.