Fallout was so much better, that it's not even funny.
Script is especially bad in this one, even when previous MI movies didn't have exceptional plotlines, 7 is the worst.
And what the hell happened with the editor during the final train sequence? There are heaps of footage cut with one second train cart being horizontal and next moment it's already at 90 degrees.
 |
 Ape Out Shirt $21.68 |
|
The crotch rocket knife fighting scene on the beach in MI2 > all other MI movies in their entirety all combined.
They need to fire bland McQuarrie and let a crazy direct these movies again
Bring back Brad Bird that homie crazy
this
let my man Michael Bay direct the shit out of one of these
>Michael Bay
Kys immediately
Based take. MI2 is kino and I'm sick of people acting like it isn't.
It really isn't unless you're the type of person who likes sharknado
>sharknado
This doesn't even make sense
Are you braindead?
The main plot thing with AI is okay. The inclusion of Gabriel and every scene with him is weak.
Ethan was kinda neuthered in 7. Aside from numerous Cruise run sequences and the bike freefall, he's just standing there like an idiot being played by everyone else.
And yeah, I've also wondered wtf happened with cuts during the train catastrophe scene.
That's what ageing does. Do you want him to fricking punch every guy he encounters? He's not that fit anymore.
> I've also wondered wtf happened with cuts during the train catastrophe scene
I remember distinctly that they filmed a practical train crash and then in the movie it looks like they just replaced all with CGI. What was the point of that?
It’s hilarious how much this movie makes Cavilljeets seethe because
>no snydergay superman actor
>BTFOs AI, the pajeet’s other favorite thing besides snyder
>BTFOs AI, the pajeet’s other favorite thing besides snyder
But it didn't, not in Part 1, at least.
Even being slightly critical of AI makes you shitskins shit in the street with rage
Stop trying to lump your imaginary shitskins with this movie.
Redeem the cavillcut, sirs
Touch grass, homosexual
Shit street, pajeet
AI, the pajeet’s other favorite thing besides snyder
jesus anon please don't make everything about indians, i really don't want to think about them more than i have to
Just watched it an hour ago. Is it just me or are movies assuming the audience is a lot dumber nowadays? This one was brimming with moron-friendly tropes
>flashbacks every other scene so no one forgets the thing they just talked about
>drone-like audio cue every time the AI entity is mentioned so we don't forget it's an AI entity
>"serious" or "sad" scenes drawn out to shit because they're supposed to be serious/sad
A bit insulting tbqh.
This is all movies in the modern era. The expository cutaways they keep cramming into new films are pure aids. Especially when they
>lead with a long and vague sequence implying something serious or dramatic
>immediately destroy all the suspense and buildup by doing some borderline family guy tier 4th wall breaking narration or forced expository dialogue explaining what just occurred as if the audience
>literally plays out like you just tuned into the second half of a two-part law and order episode
>b..b..b..but tarantino does it!
>...
The big short is one of the worst offenders, the cutaways in that movie are unforgivable and absolutely ruin what was already a shit movie.
>"serious" or "sad" scenes drawn out to shit because they're supposed to be serious/sad
This is just a staple of modern Hollywood in general, sadly.
Also, why there was zero blood in 7? It's the same PG-13 as other MI movies, but they had some blood at least. In 7 almost every named character gets killed with knifes with no blood at all. It's silly when Gabriel slits throat of that one CIA guy at the end and he falls down on the carpet without leaking even a droplet of blood.
i shouldn't have complained about fallout. sorry, guys.
I love every M:I movie except this one, literally they made 6 great films in a row and then somehow managed to make the 7th one an absolute shitheap.
The villian is moronic, AI isn't scary and it doesn't fit the theme of M:I
The writing was terrible
The actions scenes were generic as hell
Even the alleyway fight scene was lame because of how stupidly it was shot
The characters were like one dimensional caricatures of themselves
Ethan/Cruise seems much more old and frail, made everything less interesting
Nothing about the movie was fun, it was all doom and gloom and depressing
Atwell was way too old for the part, should have been a younger actress
Killing Eyepatch was moronic
Kittridge was totally wasted
Also there were way too many people. Why was Jonas from Twister even in this movie? He had like two scenes and I don't even really know who his character was or what he was doing. Mantis was also fricking pointless. As were the two cops come instantly chasing Ethan. Cutting all those characters out and changing nothing else would actually improve the movie.
I actually kind of enjoyed the two cops chasing him and always showing up just a tad too late
I think the two cos will play a part in the next one. The black cop was starting to turn in Ethan's favor by the end of the movie. Old white cop will die by sacrificing himself in the next one for sure.
Seems like it. Both cops and asian blonde, who was revealed to be alive by one of them.
Covid fricked it, there's no other explanation. It took nearly two years to shoot, I don't know of a single kino in history that took that long. Even Apocalypse Now took less than a year.
>they made 6 great films in a row
If you think 2 and 3 are great you're moronic. I just saw Rogue Nation too and it's only okay.
>If you think 2 and 3 are great you're moronic. I just saw Rogue Nation too and it's only okay.
frick off zoomer, your opinion doesn't count
>frick off zoomer
>coming from the guy that likes JJ Abrams slop
It's a real downgrade from Ghost Protocol. In that movie you had a very simple motivation for the bad guy, he just wants to launch a nuke, and they've got to stop him. In 5 I don't care about the villain, he apparently controls the world but it's never really shown, they just make a few comments on it. He manages to stay one step ahead of everyone...because? We know nothing about him, why is he so smart? Then at the end, despite being a super genius, he falls into a looney toons style trap. The scenes with the hot chick were also mostly boring and unnecessary. Great stunts though, Cruise was kino as always.
I had a completely different take on the villains of those two movies. The Russian guy in GP was completely underdeveloped imo and easily the most forgettable of the franchise. Whereas Lane was creepy, different, and had presence. Also I think the idea of the syndicate is cool, much better done than Craig-Bond Spectre. And all this building up to Fallout is the cherry on top.
Just personal preference though, GP, RN, and Fallout are the best of the franchise.
I agree with you, anon. I only remember the bad guy from GP because he's the bad guy from John Wick 1 but clean shaven. Lane is set up right away, and the Syndicate are the perfect mirror to IMF. Plus Sean Harris already looks like evil Simon Pegg.
I don't hate this trope but its pretty grating how it appears after a handful of M:Is.
2 is fun at least but 3 is very bland, sadly. Rogue Nation however is amazing.
>If you think 2 and 3 are great you're moronic
2 is classic cheesy 90s kino by John Woo and 3 is fricking great, you hivemind gays only shit on it because you hate JJ Abrams
i just hate how they killed ilsa
She’s not dead dumbass.
She's dead and they even mourn her between IMF. It's not fakeout in the beginning of the movie.
just watched it
the bike jump felt forced
gabriel wasn't a compelling villain but that's the point because we all know he's just a pawn, it kept me interested
most jokes and gimmicks were played very well
it's not as bad as some people say but i understand why they didn't like it. i wish it was all one movie instead of two.
>the bike jump felt forced
not only that, the movie goes completely silent during the stunt, like it's some insane shit no one's ever done before, when the only thing that makes it somewhat exciting is the fact that it was Cruise doing the stunt himself, which is inconsequential to the universe the movie is set in, so it also felt super dishonest, almost like it was begging the audience to be awe struck
But the car chase in venice scene was cool though
How can people be awestruck when he revealed the stunt months before the movie actually came out. Just so fricking shit. These stunt also have 0 tension, hunt with kittridge at the restaurant in part 1 is so much more intense than some over the top cgi train pile up off a cliff.
plus the way the movie gets him to the stunt is completely contrived.
>Oh noes our magic mask machine that we pull out of our asses at any time we want suddenly won't work just for Hunt
>Oh noes he heckin' can't get on the train even though Benji is literally driving a minivan alongside of it
>Oh noes he heckin' can't get on the train even though we watch asian twink drop onto it with no problem
>Oh noes he "accidentally" gets led 12,000ft in elevation away from the train
meanwhile the only interesting stuff in the movie is happening on the train with him not even there
It felt like half of the movie didn't include Ethan.
The opera scene in RN is still top notch. McQ can still do the tense, classy scenes and the action works when it's not contrived like Fallout.
Fallout was like the second coming of filmmaking and at most DR is just pretty good.
It's funny that, if you ignore Tom's age, you can watch 1-3 in reverse and nothing would change because the movies are not connected in any way.
and that's a good thing
Covid+making it a two-parter fricked up everything.
Don't care. I liked it.
Does the new movie have any funny mask jokes/scenes? I know the previous two have them and they were pretty funny
There's one, and it's even in the trailer. You can tell something is up but it's not what I predicted.
A decent one with Kittridge
The first was the best at everything. Second had the best theme song. Third had the best villain.
I really don't care about the rest.
>Second had the best theme song.
You're not talking about that terrible Limp Bizkit song right?
Fred Durst lyrics were so fricking shit on that one
Yes I fricking am. It's kino.
Still have terrible fricking taste huh, boomer?
I'm proud of every second I've been alive. Can you say the same?
How has Atwell managed to wear Kirby's face with her frickhuge cheekbones and jaw?
I want to frick Vanessa Kirby while looking in her crazy manic eyes.
french chick from part 1 is still the best looking woman in series. Tom can't hire young hot 20 something in fear of being metoo'd
this garbage flick was so goddamn awful it made me decide to NOT go to cinemas for the rest of the year, and i had in plan to watch oppenheimer, kotfm, dune and napoleon. not anymore. i might show up for mann's ferrari but what's the point when in 2 years he will release director's cut and in 4 years another director's extended edition. frick israelites and frick movies
The M:I, F&F and Transformers franchises are baffling to me.
20 years of the worst films ever seen, the shittiest of everything.
Nothing, and I mean nothing, of value in any of those millions of seconds of screen time.
No real fandom to speak of.
And yet, people still go to watch them despite not giving a shit about any of them.
People like Tom Cruise and his professionalism and commitment for the action movies.
F&F started solid, then moved into memes and now fully embraced its own ridiculousness.
Transformers wasn't good or popular for a decade now. Don't know why you're including it. First three movies made a bank, because Michael Bay was still a garant of big real explosions and hot girls.
i like M:I and didnt really watch them until recently. you know exactly what you're getting and they deliver most of the time. not everything has to push the medium forward.
Mommies
why did Vanessa Kirby brick me up more than Haley? Am I losing my drive for khazar milkers? has the media finally gotten to me?
Did they really use the same stairs in Rome as FF 10? And the same idea of cars driving down the stairs?
The bit where he saved her by crashing through the exact right train window at the exact right time was a dogshit scene. He’s a super agent but it all came down to dumb luck there.
Also how much fricking pickpocketing was there in this movie? The producers must have wanted the pajeet demographic
>Also how much fricking pickpocketing was there in this movie? The producers must have wanted the pajeet demographic
It was referencing the first film which had more spycraft/sleight of hand stype of stuff in it. Same thing with the train finale and also the dutch angles in cinematography
>Script is especially bad in this one, even when previous MI movies didn't have exceptional plotlines, 7 is the worst.
It might be the worst but I still liked it.
Why didn't McQ write the script. This is obviously a shitty random script they saw floating around and decided to make it a MI movie.
I felt like the cinematography was weaker compared to Fallout as well. A lot of obnoxious short siding. Some of it is throwing back to 1 but it's kinda ugly here.
He did write it, but I think the way he and Cruise work finally was too much to put out a decent script. Their philosophy is to start filming without a finished screenplay and writing the script concurrently as they go on with shooting, often reworking and reinventing stuff on the fly.
The last time we spoke, you talked about how for some of these movies you would have 30 pages done, and on set, you would be doing a lot of writing and the stress. How is it different when you're making a two-part movie and you're going somewhere? How was it different in terms of making this and Part Two versus the other movies?
>MCQUARRIE: With Fallout, the whole idea of starting with a 30-page outline was to avoid the confusion created by writing a screenplay just to have a screenplay and then having to change it all. People get locked in, and it's very difficult, as the script is evolving, for them to pivot. It was even more challenging on this one because when it started, and this is, again, back in 2019, there was a very different release calendar for these two movies. When they gave me the release calendar and I calculated how long it would take to make the movie, I said, “If you want to hit these dates, I have to start scouting next week. I won't have time to write an outline. I won't have time to write a screenplay to hit these dates.” So I immediately got on a plane and started scouting while trying to figure out what the movie was. It was a scramble. It was even more intense on this one than it was on Fallout. Then you had the pandemic, and the pandemic was something that none of us could have calculated, and the disruption of that.
>While on the one hand, we had lots more time over the course of this long process, we never really had the writing time because of so many other things. We were in the process of constantly recovering and scrambling, so I would say this was, despite the fact that it took much longer, the writing on this was even more intense and trickier to figure out. There were a lot more characters, it was a bigger, more complicated, more nuanced threat in the movie, and we were constantly in a state of trying to figure out how to make it as digestible as the movie now is. What's really critical about these movies is that when you sit down to watch them, you're not doing any work in watching them. They're happening to you, you're along for the ride, and you're having the experience of that protagonist. All the thinking you do about the movie I want you doing after. It's not to say I don't want you thinking, I just don't want you having to think.
You are introducing such a badass threat of AI and omnipresence; it can see everything, it can know everything, and in this modern world, if you look at London, there are cameras everywhere. How hard is it to figure out how to defeat something like that? Did you figure out the end and then work backward a little bit?
>MCQUARRIE: We know how impossible it is, and that's a problem for Part Two.
Sure. Is Part Two the end of the Mission franchise?
>MCQUARRIE: I don't know what the ending of Part Two is, so I couldn't tell you.
Okay.
>MCQUARRIE: [Laughs] I'm not being evasive. I could tell you that I know what the end of Part Two is, but I can't guarantee that that will be the ending when we get there.
Sure.
>MCQUARRIE: Tom and I never obsess about executing the plan. We always have a direction, we always have a place we’re going. In our trying to describe the process, in retrospect, it sounds as though what we do is just flying by the seat of our pants and making it up as we go along. That's not an accurate description. You are definitely flying in a direction, you're definitely prepared. You couldn't be that cavalier without somebody getting seriously physically hurt. These things are planned within an inch of their life. Along the way, we see a shiny object and go for it.
I totally get it.
>MCQUARRIE: When we were making Part One, when we got back from all of our foreign locations and were back on stage, I brought everyone to the set to figure out what was going to happen in the train now that I knew more about the characters and had a different understanding of the story than when we started making the movie. I brought everyone together into that red car on the train and said, “I do not know how this movie ends, but I know it ends in this car. That's all I know.” And sure enough, it did, and sure enough, it kept ending in that car.
>As we were reshooting the movie, as we were doing pickups, that car sat on a stage, and we kept returning to it. We kept tweaking it because instinctively and on a gut level I knew, based on how the action scene was constructed, the entire movie was gonna end there. Could I tell you what was going to happen, who would be in that car, and how it would all play out when I first stepped foot in that car? Absolutely not. Did I think it would be what it ultimately was? No. The one thing I did know was the stuff involving Vanessa Kirby and Henry [Czerny]. I didn't know who else would be in that car and how all those things would come together. The challenge of the train sequence was untying that knot.
>Filming begin in March 2022 in the United Kingdom with other filming locations, including Malta, South Africa and Norway. It was halted in July due to the 2023 SAG-AFTRA strike.
>Mission: Impossible – Dead Reckoning Part Two is scheduled to be released in the United States on June 28, 2024, by Paramount Pictures.
Because of the strike they won't hit this 2024 release date for sure. Dead Reckoning is cursed.
>In July 2023, during promotion for Part One, Cruise expressed interest in continuing to make further films in the series as Hunt.
Cruise needs to know when to stop. He can't sell his image of always young guy nowadays. Part 2 will probably include even more CGI instead of proper stunts.
When was this interview?
>published 5 days ago
https://collider.com/mission-impossible-dead-reckoning-part-one-christopher-mcquarrie-interview/
Interesting read.
I miss old hollywood where the studio ran everything with a fine comb. This haphazard way of filmmaking is producing mediocre trash. John wick 4 did the same just make it up on the day mentality. No you do what sammo hung did and work 3 months on a single scene until it's perfect. And he still managed to crank out 3-4 pictures a year.
That one shot of Pom's midriff>All previous MI movies
Is Kittridge bad or good? The movie story with him made no damn sense.
He's a patriot and works for his country.
AI feels weird as frick and out of place in MI franchise.
get with the times, old man
Anyone else not give a shit about the "before I joined IMF" plots? Its also weird they make it like joining MIB in thisd movie where you are a ghost and everyone forgets you after you join.
>The new love interest replaces the old love interest again
What's stopping them from killing this year's model in a movie or two?
Nothing? Only Ethan, Benji and Luther matter.
>Nothing? Only Ethan, Benji and Luther matter.
BASED