What are your thoughts on the Fantastic Four?
What was Reed's justification for being on Tony's side in the Civil War?
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What are your thoughts on the Fantastic Four?
What was Reed's justification for being on Tony's side in the Civil War?
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>What was Reed's justification for being on Tony's side in the Civil War?
He used super math to predict the future and it said registration was the best way forward. Ben left the country, I think Johnny was beat up and in a coma and Sue might’ve just retired?
Sue was on Team Cap. Ben went to France iirc. Johnny, well Johnny did get beat up but I don't think he was in a coma over it.
>He used super math to predict the future and it said registration was the best way forward.
Which is funny to me he literally went to a congressional hearing to argue against the Superhero Registration during Acts of Vengeance
And he was right considering the only answer was Tony and Steve just fricking and getting hitched.
Female Tony though. Cap ain’t gay.
>Submitting to government authority
>right
Lol
Lmao, even.
>What are your thoughts on the Fantastic Four?
A big fan.
>What was Reed's justification for being on Tony's side in the Civil War?
I don't remember. Probably something stupid. civil war was a shit comic.
My interaction with the Fantastic Four is as follows
1. I saw reruns of the 90s cartoon in the early 2000s.
2. I saw them crossover in Spider-Man TAS when I watched the whole series on YT in 2007 when you could get away with uploading entire shows by splitting them up into parts.
3. Neversoft Spider-Man game(?) where you can swing over to the Baxter building and Spidey says "where are the fantastic four when ya need them" or something like that.
4. The 2000s F4 cartoon and movies.
Oh and EMH. Marvel Ultimate Alliance.
>tfw when you're young enough to have grown up watching Superhero Squad and EMH.
This show was the absolute shit when I was a kid. Part of the reason why I never got into the MCU was because they cancelled it to make way for MCU inspired shows.
Good man. Your parents clearly raised you right.
That's Danny.
https://marvelanimated.fandom.com/wiki/Ghost_Rider
>Real Name: Unknown
It looks like Danny, ride's Danny's bike and uses Danny power. They only say unknown because it was a walk on role in a different show that didn't go into his past. It's Danny.
Especially since it was before the movie which merged aspects of Ketch with Blaze.
So.. CUTE.
Skrue
Why couldn't we have more cartoons in this art style
I remember thinking how great it would have been if they used MCU as a spring board for a wider Marvel animated universe.
I've seen some anons on hear say Fiege fears an animated Marvel universe blowing the MCU out of the water.
But yeah imagine an animated Marvel universe with the budget they've spent on every MCU film
Looks ugly.
>hey cancelled it to make way for MCU inspired shows.
this
i hated that shit so much
Avengers Assemble isn't.. that bad.. it just.. has the misfortune of following EMH.
>Avengers Assemble isn't.. that bad
It absolutely is that bad. It's worse than bad. It was BORING. Everything was dull and muted and just so boring.
Nah.
Ok, calm down man.
My biggets problems with Assemble were primarily
A. It felt like it was written as a sitcom rather than an action show. I almost dropped it when they did a "OH NO I HAVE TO GO BACK AND FINISH HIGH SCHOOL" plot with fricking Thor of all people.
B. The movie synergy autism they kept ruining things with, like Ultron suddenly deciding to be his movie design and shrieking 'THERE ARE NO STRINGS ON ME" with zero prompting and made zero sense because the string obsession wasn't part of the show Ultron's character at all. Also at one point Ultron gained the entire combined power of the Infinity Gauntlet, then fricked off and promptly forgot about it, and apparently so did the writers because it literally never came up again.
One part that was funny though was them bending themselves into pretzels trying to explain how Assemble and Agents of SMASH were happening at the same time during the crossover episode where Hulk was a moronic "Hulk Smash" Hulk in Assemble, where Agents had the intelligent Banner Hulk.
>4. The 2000s F4 cartoon
That was a pretty good show.
Shame it got canned.
Yeah, they didn't even get to do some of the Four's biggest hitters yet like the Inhumans or Galactus. Would have been interesting to see how that was done. Maybe get less Doom episodes.
>Hear me Galactus
WHAT!? You have to speak up. This machinery devouring the planet is very loud and you speak in a low gravelly tone.
>shows up
>one-shots your top villain
>calls you a homosexual
>leaves
>What was Reed's justification for being on Tony's side in the Civil War?
i just ignore that
I like "This Man... This Monster!". I wish the rest of the run was that good.
I don't care about FF that isn't drawn by Kirby, though Full Circle by Alex Ross was neat.
Right before I left my previous job there was a fer people who said they were super into Marvel and asked if I was. I said I was and they asked me who my favorites were and I, of course, said the Fantastic Four. They responded by calling them lame and why. I asked what they meant they have some of the best comics ever made. Well as you might have guessed from the start of this story it, rather unsurprisingly, turns out they were just a bunch of movie gays. I'm not sure why I even bother sometimes. It's not that I don't understand everyone starts somewhere. But you'd think people would at least be willing to accept that maybe things are different outside their preferred medium. well, like most days, Ben really put it best.
To be fair, it's a lot easier to digest movies compared to comics. Comics are wildly inconsistent in tone, quality, and even premise at times, that an adaptation can help get the point of a character or concept across. Unfortunately for the FF, they've had so many mediocre to bad attempts done of them, it's mired them in the eyes of the uninformed.
>To be fair,
Top be fair, don't act like a massive marvel fanboy and expert if all you know is the movies and don't go around acting like you're an expert on what is and isn't lame when you've never even made an attempt at reading the source material. This issue isn't a lack of minutia an obscure trivia.
>thoughts on fantastic four
boring as hell. i'd tolerate the thing more than the others. most interesting character to come out of FF is silver surfer
>reed's justification
was a miscalculation or he's secretly an authoritarian who is fine with mutant oppression in a capitalist economy
Shut up, Scott.
you just posted one of the greatest FF stories
Have better taste
>was a miscalculation or he's secretly an authoritarian who is fine with mutant oppression in a capitalist economy
Wasn't he also manipulated by some evil goddess or something? Shit on Dan Slott all you like, at least he had the decency to address and try to fix that bullshit at one point, if so.
>most interesting character to come out of FF is silver surfer
Of which they can throw in with the Guardians instead. Use the Guardians as the flagship for all their cosmic shit. Silver Surfer and Galactus are no longer FF characters but Guardians characters, which is exactly what they tried to do when Marvel wanted to buy them off of Fox years back.
>What are your thoughts on the Fantastic Four?
Fricking love them. If Peter Parker wasn't my favorite marvel character than it would most likely be Reed.
>What are your thoughts on The Fantastic Four
Secret Wars was the perfect ending for the team. Doom admits that Reed is better than him, Reed, Sue, and the kids stay outside the universe to reshape the omniverse, Johnny and Ben getting to live their lives, and Doom letting go of his ego will probably never be topped.
Man they REALLY need to stay in blue.
Blonde milf ass
The SUPERIOR Namor design btw
You look like gay Lobo
Oh man. Robinson's doomed run. Cucked by Hickman.
More like Hackman
Robinson was coming off of Fraction. Which I wasn't the hugest fan of. Caesar was pretty cool.
Love them. The "adventurer-explorer" angle and family dynamic is really what sells the concept for
I can't remember well altough it definitely goes against character and is written around the misconception that Reed is a borderline sociopath. Heck, in Walter Simonson's run, the first arc is about the FF testifying against a previous iteration of the superhuman registration act, Reed being the biggest speaker.
The idea that Reed is a science autismo is really something that's just a meme at this point or people pointing at that guy from venture bros as OMG TOTALLY JUST LIKE REED without reading the book. Reed is always at his best when he's emotionally driven. He's often got a case of tunnel vision but it's not because he doesn't care about anything else, in all honesty it's the exact opposite. It's the act that he cares so much about them that drives him to become lost in his work because he's desperate to help them and can sometimes forget they don't always need Reed the brain but Reed the husband father and friend.
Avengers Assemble showed off a lot of characters.
>What are your thoughts on the Fantastic Four?
Oldgay here, A team and book I have a big fondness for, though I wouldn't say they're amongst my absolute favorites. In Marvel, I mostly collected Thor, but I did read quite a few of the essentials growing up. I'm a sucker for high concept sci-fi and the FF were full of that. Pic related was the first FF issue I ever pulled.
>What are your thoughts on the Fantastic Four?
I don't like them too much. I'm a late Millennial/early Zoomer/Zillennial/whatever late 90s kids are called. As a Euro, I caught re-runs of the 90s TASM series and got properly introduced to them through the early films and Ultimate, since I could find those series in stores. I used to rewatch the first movie all the time, but that's because I became obsessed with Doom. Anyway, in the 1610 I liked Reed in a "literally me" way, especially with how hot they made Sue, but I found him also too dorky and was just waiting for Doom to turn up. I eventually started reading the 616 stuff and took a liking to Reed, while also spilling loads to Susan (the faux-anime series also helped to that). But generally no matter the stories or eras, all I could think of at any point was
>ugh, when is Doom/Norrin/Galactus going to show up
I just cannot bring myself to care about any of them in the way I care about other characters. They're a package deal and I find Grimm and Johnny so utterly dreadful, that they drag down the other two in my eyes. I loathe Franklin's OP powers as well, not to mention that he's an annoying gay of a kid. I legitimately prefer Valeria.
I love sci-fi stuff and explorations and whatnot. The problem is that for every such story, you have 10 others about them battling some of the worst villains in capeshit, or doing boring Earth stuff. And honestly, I hate the
>le familia
angle. I want to read about cool super-explorers, not about some schmucks straight out of an American sitcom. Too many Fgays say that is what makes them "interesting", but to me it's the opposite, because it amplifies their already lame powers, look and characters. I don't need to vicariously live through them, I have a loving every day family. I read capeshit for something extraordinary.
Basically
>Reed would've worked better as a solo Doc Savage type
>Sue hawt and coolest powers
>Doom is the best thing to come out of the book
She's pogging
Love them and sorry the MCU is in a shambles so if they get another movie at all, it will be yet another turd. (I suppose the first two were OK if you consider them children's movies. For stupid children.)
Reed had to take Tony's side because it was so very obviously wrong that it would be completely implausible for any character we like to join his team without a whole lot more justification. If Reed was cool with it, then Pete, etc. would have to reason that it was OK. So he got screwed as a character because the writers couldn't figure out how to make a two-sided issue with two reasonable sides. I'm fine with him being "on the spectrum", but making him a fascist dickhole was too much.
>but making him a fascist dickhole was too much.
Isn't that also what manifested the Maker from the Ultimate Reed? They might be not so different. It's not a huge jump from scientific nihilist to fascist statist that knows better than everyone. I'm just ignoring that in the comics his magic super IQ does make him know everything better than everyone
I once read that Millar originally pitched CW for the Ultimate universe, which would make more sense character wise. Ultimate Reed, Even before becoming Maker, was a huge prick.
Well, it probably would have been better than Ultimatum
I like DeFalco’s run and I like Lyja
I'm not a manga reader so Lyja is my go to character for the yandere archetype
A vital cornerstone of Marvel and the capeshit genre in general. Not their biggest fan, but I respect it.
Civil War shat on damn near every character it touched, the sooner it's forgotten, the better.
Reed's justification was
>He saw many timelines and calculated many variants of it, and Tony ended up being the most reasonable, because all others led to a Apocalyptic event
He saw that if he didn't took Tony's side, there would be a 100% chance that the event would bring the word Marvel runs from it like the devil from the Cross, which is the CRISIS level event.
And that would kill half of the life in the universe because the conflict would escalate into a all out war.
Possibly, he also saw that the other part would be the Ultimates 3 event happening in 616 and lead to the rise of he becoming the 616 Maker.
He doesn't frick around because he has the Council of Reeds to give him feedback, mainly after what led to the birth of the Maker in Ultimate Universe.
He knew that he would be hated for joining Stark, But he had no choice, because he intervening or not, it would lead to a Apocalyptic event.
>What was Reed's justification for being on Tony's side in the Civil War?
2006?
Yes it was the right move, FF were always public heroes.
>type in johnny blaze animated
>FF cartoon shows up
>NOOOO THAT WAS DANNY
Johnny didn’t look like that and wasn’t the Ghost Rider at the time. It was Danny.
Sucks.
The thread was on page 10 and you bumped it to say that? Is there another thread you want to see die?
Reed had multiple justifications due to JMS (who wrote Fantastic Four and Amazing Spider-Man) openly rebelling against Millar and editorial over Reed being pro-Registration and Marvel explicitly stating that the pro-Registration side was "the good guys" in Civil War.
In Civil War proper, Reed's joins Tony side via doing fancy math claiming that "math proves that without registration, super powered beings will destroy the Earth". Along with the implication that Tony got Reed on board by getting the government to greenlight a massive multi-step plan for "world peace" that included the Negative Zone prison and the 50 State Initiative that Reed came up with to "stop the apocalypse".
JMS, who wrote Fantastic Four and Amazing Spider-Man rebelled against this. In Amazing Spider-Man, Reed basically admitted to Spider-Man in a private aside, that he didn't believe in the Registration Act and what Tony was doing at all. He was only going along with it because he was terrified that Tony and the US Government/SHIELD would destroy the Fantastic Four if he fought them. Reed also revealed that his uncle on his mom's side of the family was once a famous Hollywood screenwriter who's career was destroyed and died in poverty, because "he stood up to HUAC" in the 1950s and that Reed didn't want to end up like said uncle.
That just makes Reed sound like a buck broke coward for not fighting Tony.
JMS then had Mad Thinker break into the Baxter Building and dismantle Reed's entire "math says the apocalypse will happen if we don't back registration" argument by calling bullshit on Reed's math on the subject, pointing out that the whole thing was flawed and that Reed's calculation ignored pretty much EVERYTHING free-will wise. Along with Sue invoking Reed's uncle and calling him a coward when she left him midway through Civil War.
And of course, Hickman fricked up things even WORSE, by opening his run with a garbage mini where rather than using his resources to bring down Norman Osborn, Reed goes on a trip through the multiverse ensuring the pro-Registration side won by pointing out the only realities where Civil War never happened, were the realities where Reed marginalized Tony from the getgo and basically bullied Steve into compliance.