>brutally kills and rapes his flower twink in front of everyone >several of the onlookers make expressions of unhinged lust
Was it like this in the book? Explain yourselves Dunegays.
really? I to this day still enjoy the movie a lot. love the music and the cheesy scenes. found the spicediver version on YouTube a few years ago and got to re-enjoy some kino
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Yeah, most of the baron scenes feel pretty uncomfy watching him, can’t help but feel the disgusting pig energy from OG baron compared to pic
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I felt like that was the point, being uncomfortable. new one seems cool enough but corporate approved cool. The OG baron was a disgusting mess and I wouldn't have it any other way for the character he's supposed to be.
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>but corporate approved cool
You hit it on the head. Everything about nuDUNC is soulless corposlop. You could have sold it to me as a Halo movie and I would have believed you.
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Ian McNiece made the best baron. Fight me. Sensual, meticulous, cultured but savage, cunning and a dandy.
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>*floats in ur path* >*looks directly at the camera* >*starts monologuing an aside in iambic pentameter*
It's a personality quirk so fitting to the character of the Baron I'm surprised Herbert himself didn't write something like that into the book.
Yes. Baron is supposed to be a gluttonous, depraved, sadistic pederast. His gluttony is why he's so enormous and needs an anti-grav belt. He loves torturing people and they install 'heart plugs' on people to kill them easily as you saw. His sons were just as bad. How disgusting they are seems to be diminished with each adaptation.
Wasn't it some sort of poison or illness that caused him to be so unhealthy and bloated? I thought he was said to have been a huge meathead in his younger years. Maybe I'm misremembering.
You're not misremembering, Frank's dipshit son Brian retconned his father's work to have the Baron get poisoned when he raped Reverend Mother Mohiam with a chemical imbalance that made him gross and fat. In the original book(s) there's no cause given to the baron's obesity, he's just described as overly sensual and devoted to pleasure. His weight is supposed to physically embody the stagnancy and degeneracy of the empire.
Brian's name is on there to satisfy his ego and wallet. I read enough dogshit Star Wars EU material to know a Kevin J. Anderson pile of nonsense when I read it.
>He loves torturing people
Debatable. He outright says in the novel he doesn't like torture but whether he's being sincere is up for interpretation. >and they install 'heart plugs' on people
No, this never happens in the book. >His sons
His nephews. You didn't read the book.
They have heart-plugs but they're not like in the movie. This is a great illustration of how artistically great Lynch was here. In the book, the Baron has this vague system in place where he can easily instantly kill anyone under his power. Lynch the art student visualized and implemented this straightforward metaphor for that.
>the Baron has this vague system in place where he can easily instantly kill anyone under his power
There's no mechanical process in the book for this. There are no heart-plugs, literal or figurative, in the novel.
Yes. To understand the Baron you need to understand the central theme of the entire book.
At the first chapter, the Bene Gesserit want to kill Paul, so they create a trial they know he will fail. He has to resist pain by nerve induction. If he fails to resist, then they will have proven he is a "beast", a subhuman who acts on impulse rather than reason, thus unfit to live. The bene gesserit administering the test holds a poison needle to his throat, the needle is called a Gom Jabbar.
Near the end of the book, Alia kills Baron Harkonnen by a Gom Jabbar. The symbolism should be evident: she is passing judgement on him, she thinks of him as a vile hedonistic sadistic sodomite pig who follows his every impulse without self-restraint. That is exactly what he is, and his character is juxtaposed to that of Paul Atreides, who achieves total self-mastery.
Becoming the worm requires mastering one's ancestral memories and becoming a kind of gestalt consciousness. Leto II only managed it because he was a pre-born who had spent his life trying to avoid abomination.
> At the first chapter, the Bene Gesserit want to kill Paul, so they create a trial they know he will fail. He has to resist pain by nerve induction. If he fails to resist, then they will have proven he is a "beast", a subhuman who acts on impulse rather than reason, thus unfit to live.
The issue was that Jessica was supposed to have a female child (so that they could match her with Feyd Rutha) for their breeding program to produce the Kwizars Hadarack (I’m not looking up the proper way to spell it) the finale male Bene Gesserit. Jessica thought she could skip steps and produce it herself so she had a male child she taught her bene gesserit magic too. This is why the order was pissed, because some non innate with their knowledge, especially a male, was too dangerous. They were making sure he at least had reason and wasn’t an impulsive midwit to handle that power, let alone if he was the Kwizarts
Another thing is that they deteste the waste of any noble blood. At the end when Paul duels Feyd the bene gesserit are freaking out because it means the end of at least one noble line, that’s why they made sure Feyd got the other lady knocked up as an insurance policy.
No, it was a bit of both. Jessica loved Duke Leto and wanted to give him a son but she was also arrogant enough to think maybe she could create the Kwisatz Haderach too.
Sounds like the Bene Gesserit are moronic because it's pretty self evident what and who the Baron is from day one. I thought these were meant to be mind reading ultra powerful witches? Utterly useless.
everyone knows hes evil. they want to keep him around and breed him because they are running a super man eugenics program. they dont care that hes evil
Yes.
The baron is part of the bene breeding program so the closer they get to Paul the more outlandish the characters around him are. There's a lot of genetic problems they are trying to iron out and the closer they get the more intelligent and willful the people get. The baron is pauls grandfather.
He's a high level genius but a born sadist and sociopath. He's on the verge of what Paul/leto will become. He's pure violence. But he's smart.
So in the movie him flying down and murdering one of his favorite twinks in front of everyone for no real reason other than fun sends a message that he enjoys dealing out pain, he will do it whenever he wants, it doesn't matter who you are and he's borderline insane so stay the frick back he's got hundreds of thousands of twinks.
Hed semi randomly murder people and torture them at times.
Trump - baron
Biden - Paul
Leto 2 - Obama
George Soros - Jessica
Kayne west - chani
Democrats - Freman
Republicans - bene tlaxxu
Israel - sand worms
Arrakis - Poland
>the closer they get to Paul the more outlandish the characters around him are
so the breeding program results in freaks? Daddy leto seems pretty normal.
>the closer they get to Paul the more outlandish the characters around him are
so the breeding program results in freaks? Daddy leto seems pretty normal.
>so the breeding program results in freaks? Daddy leto seems pretty normal.
thats because that anon is just spouting his moronic schizo head canon if you couldnt tell with his biden and trump analogies
Not this blatant, but the Baron is a gay pedophile rapist. After he takes back Arrakis in the battle he rewards himself by calling for one of his slave boys that he mentions looks like Paul. It’s also implied he wants to rape Paul.
Later on he angrily confront his nephew, Feyd Rutha, who tried to assassinate him by hiding a poisoned needle inside the skin of one of his favorite boy prostitutes and he then punished Feyd by ordering him to personally kill by strangling all the prostitutes in his favorite brothal.
Because hes gay, his heirs are his nephews not his children. He does have one secret child (spoiler) and they mention this was a “break” in his norm, implying the bene gesserit manipulated him into having sex with a woman because this big fat gay would never frick a woman on his own
This movie got me to read all 6 original books I really enjoyed both I'm not sure why it gets such a bad rap it's got great music and it does a good job trying to cram all of book 1 into one movie I give it a personal 8/10
I was surprised to learned they were movie original I was thinking the whole time why Paul wasn't using his voice gun to frick everyone up like he did in the movie
>all 6 original books
Based. What did you think of them overall, and each one specifically? What did you think of God-Emperor, and most importantly, what did you think of Heretics and Chapterhouse when Filthy Frank takes off his cringe inhibitors and lets out all his pent up cooomer autism?
Emperor turned out to be my absolute favorite while Heretics bored me for 3/4th's of the book mostly because I was fricking tired of Duncan by that point then the absolute badass Miles Teg starts kicking ass and it finally got my attention. Also the whole space israelites got me confused so you're telling these Black folk survived for thousands of years?
>all 6 original books
Based. What did you think of them overall, and each one specifically? What did you think of God-Emperor, and most importantly, what did you think of Heretics and Chapterhouse when Filthy Frank takes off his cringe inhibitors and lets out all his pent up cooomer autism?
One of my favourite scenes ever. I can see why people think the movie is shit but Lynches Dune is one of my favourite movies of all time. Only blade runner and the thing are up there with it
It's not lazy, and it worked fine in Lynch's Dune. There's far too much to convey and only moron autists get stuck on 'NOOO You must show don't TELL! WAAHHH' like it's some kind of forbidden curse or some shit
New viewer here, a brief summary of why I didn't like dunc(I saw lynchian dune just a few days before, so I wasn't a fan with rose tinted glasses) >why the frick you begin you movie with a chani pov >why the frick the setting is scifi, it was fantasy with a drop of science in it >since it's now scifi at least don't frickin close up on your twenty century helicopter console >why the frick we don't have a scifi equivalent of the folding space scene? >why the frick the mother chants the fear prayer, and Paul don't ever? What the frick are you doing? >why the frick the soundscape it's a bunch of farts >why you have a 20min of filler in your 2.5h movie >your twink seems 16, how the frick can he be a believable warrior/general in the followup?
So....why was the second half of the movie basically a recap of the book? With nothing for a movie watcher that never read the book. It looked like a trailer.
>The monochrome look of Denis Villeneuve’s Dune suggests a sullen view of the world and the future. If you expect a sensual, kinetic, visually exciting movie version of Frank Herbert’s renowned 1965 epic sci-fi novel, be prepared for a presentation of global malaise instead. Villeneuve adapts Herbert’s quasi-religious parable as a study on tribal war between societies on four distant planets — a struggle over the manufacture of the spice named “Mélange” (an empowering, hallucinogenic drug) and the prophesized rise of a messiah, Paul Atreides (Timothée Chalamet). Villeneuve makes this an unmistakable allegory about cross-cultural conflict between the West and the Middle East.
>David Lynch already did heavy lifting for Villeneuve in a 1984 version of Dune, a first attempt at clarifying Herbert’s portentous plot. When young Atreides travels to the spice planet Arrakis, antagonism between the House of Atreides and the Harkonnens (nobles versus reprobates), Lynch’s oddball vision got jumbled in the convoluted narrative. His genre experimentation failed to pass art-school surrealism for mythic, otherworldly sci-fi and was often risible.
>But Villeneuve streamlines style, mood, and narrative, sometimes echoing Lynch’s play with dreams, time lapses, and visual dissolves. There’s more clarity here about Atreides’s family tree and his destiny with the Fremen (natives of Arrakis whose intake of the spice turns their eyes blue) and his fated romance with Fremen concubine Chani (Zendaya). The threat of imperialism comes later.
>Villeneuve bases the film’s look on the desert sands of Herbert’s imagined planet. It’s more than coincidence that the brown-on-beige-on-gray desert and black, craggy mountains resemble Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, and Afghanistan. Herbert’s outer-space, intergalactic pretext — set in the year 10191 — evokes current anxiety. That was also the subject of Villeneuve’s best film, Incendies (2011), about the disasters of ancient war stretched across continents, giving birth to future shame and political strife that affects families for generations. Incendies contemporized everything that Greek tragedy warned us about, and now Villeneuve’s fascination with mankind’s cruelty becomes the message of Dune’s claptrap.
>Of course this approach is humorless. So were the previous sci-fi movies, Arrival and Blade Runner 2049, that won Villeneuve a following made up of the same juveniles who had ignored Incendies. They’ll be settling for a drab sci-fi adventure movie that pretends profundity even though it doesn’t get the fun things right. Lynch, in spite of late-20th-century technology, still managed to make Paul’s command of the enormous Arrakis sandworms kinda awesome (harpooned like Moby-Dick and resembling a Ray Harryhausen circus creature ridden through the desert). But in Villeneuve’s extravaganza, the sandworms look like a $300-million version of Tremors.
>Along with the digital F/X (notably Paul’s protective body shield), Villeneuve’s politics are also updated. Dune’s multiracial political correctness broadcasts globalist condescension, but no better than Cloud Atlas or The Matrix did. This otherworldly sci-fi agitprop exoticizes Islam. Religious differences are vaguely represented by the fight over spice-consciousness, and you know which side progressive Hollywood is on. Villeneuve capitalizes on Herbert’s already unfortunate evocation of the Crusades and adds recent examples of ethnic-cleansing genocide. The Fremen cry, “Who will our next oppressor be?” Yet their fears are trivialized and contradicted when white Paul defeats the black Fremen Jamis (Babs Olusanmokun), Black Panther–style. (“When you take a life, you take your own.”)
>Thinking viewers can’t help but associate this sci-fi religiosity with contemporary political outrage. It doesn’t help that Chalamet represents the West at its entitled worst; he makes an obnoxious, petulant messiah. (Zendaya, Hollywood’s token of the moment, triggers the same aversion.)
>Chances are that Villeneuve’s undemanding, Marvel-bred fans will not recognize Dune’s political and moral echoes: An Apocalypse Now reference indicts Western military folly while allusions to Bedouin superiority suggest the BDS-movement version of Lawrence of Arabia that Edward Said always wanted.
>But if naïve sci-fi geeks prefer to look at movies distinct from the world around them, they’re doomed to miss that Villeneuve neglects the sense of tragedy that made Incendies morally powerful and gave weight to the best parts of Prisoners. They’ll deserve the enervating, nearly three-hour running time and the relentless bleakness of a virtue-signaling wannabe blockbuster. As Zendaya promises Paul, “it’s only the beginning.”
100% kino
How can DUNC 2 compete?
More ugly women and brown/gray.
>kino music begins
Brian Eno kino
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One of the most kino moments, villedoodoo wishes he could direct something this epic
Dunc puts me to sleep in 5 I’m hoping dunc 2 can put me into a coma
I stayed awake but got so bored during the action sequences. How soulless do you have to be to make action scenes boring.
>scenes you can hear and feel
>MY FRICKING NAME IS A GODDAMN KILLING WORD b***h
I'll miss the seas of Caladan, OP. But without change, something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.
>My name causes our guns to misfire
Seems like a major design flaw.
Design flaw? No. It's a sound gun not a tank cannon.
That throneroom design was great
a million times more soul than that pale zoomer homosexual
>brutally kills and rapes his flower twink in front of everyone
>several of the onlookers make expressions of unhinged lust
Was it like this in the book? Explain yourselves Dunegays.
My dad let me watch this at 10 years old mad times
probably good to instill a disgust for gays
Still makes me feel uncomfortable when it comes on so might be on to something
really? I to this day still enjoy the movie a lot. love the music and the cheesy scenes. found the spicediver version on YouTube a few years ago and got to re-enjoy some kino
Yeah, most of the baron scenes feel pretty uncomfy watching him, can’t help but feel the disgusting pig energy from OG baron compared to pic
I felt like that was the point, being uncomfortable. new one seems cool enough but corporate approved cool. The OG baron was a disgusting mess and I wouldn't have it any other way for the character he's supposed to be.
>but corporate approved cool
You hit it on the head. Everything about nuDUNC is soulless corposlop. You could have sold it to me as a Halo movie and I would have believed you.
Ian McNiece made the best baron. Fight me. Sensual, meticulous, cultured but savage, cunning and a dandy.
>*floats in ur path*
>*looks directly at the camera*
>*starts monologuing an aside in iambic pentameter*
It's a personality quirk so fitting to the character of the Baron I'm surprised Herbert himself didn't write something like that into the book.
kek, my mom did the same. I think I was like 7-10. 80s parents were great.
Yes. Baron is supposed to be a gluttonous, depraved, sadistic pederast. His gluttony is why he's so enormous and needs an anti-grav belt. He loves torturing people and they install 'heart plugs' on people to kill them easily as you saw. His sons were just as bad. How disgusting they are seems to be diminished with each adaptation.
Wasn't it some sort of poison or illness that caused him to be so unhealthy and bloated? I thought he was said to have been a huge meathead in his younger years. Maybe I'm misremembering.
You're not misremembering, Frank's dipshit son Brian retconned his father's work to have the Baron get poisoned when he raped Reverend Mother Mohiam with a chemical imbalance that made him gross and fat. In the original book(s) there's no cause given to the baron's obesity, he's just described as overly sensual and devoted to pleasure. His weight is supposed to physically embody the stagnancy and degeneracy of the empire.
Brian is such a hack its insane.
Brian's name is on there to satisfy his ego and wallet. I read enough dogshit Star Wars EU material to know a Kevin J. Anderson pile of nonsense when I read it.
A non-Herbert sequel said he raped a Bene-gesserit and she unleashed the equivalent of an STD nuke up his urethra and fricked him for life.
He was supposedly an Uber-chad before that.
>He loves torturing people
Debatable. He outright says in the novel he doesn't like torture but whether he's being sincere is up for interpretation.
>and they install 'heart plugs' on people
No, this never happens in the book.
>His sons
His nephews. You didn't read the book.
They have heart-plugs but they're not like in the movie. This is a great illustration of how artistically great Lynch was here. In the book, the Baron has this vague system in place where he can easily instantly kill anyone under his power. Lynch the art student visualized and implemented this straightforward metaphor for that.
>the Baron has this vague system in place where he can easily instantly kill anyone under his power
There's no mechanical process in the book for this. There are no heart-plugs, literal or figurative, in the novel.
Yes. To understand the Baron you need to understand the central theme of the entire book.
At the first chapter, the Bene Gesserit want to kill Paul, so they create a trial they know he will fail. He has to resist pain by nerve induction. If he fails to resist, then they will have proven he is a "beast", a subhuman who acts on impulse rather than reason, thus unfit to live. The bene gesserit administering the test holds a poison needle to his throat, the needle is called a Gom Jabbar.
Near the end of the book, Alia kills Baron Harkonnen by a Gom Jabbar. The symbolism should be evident: she is passing judgement on him, she thinks of him as a vile hedonistic sadistic sodomite pig who follows his every impulse without self-restraint. That is exactly what he is, and his character is juxtaposed to that of Paul Atreides, who achieves total self-mastery.
>achieves total self-mastery
>too much of a pussy to go full worm mode
>Self Mastery
Becoming the worm requires mastering one's ancestral memories and becoming a kind of gestalt consciousness. Leto II only managed it because he was a pre-born who had spent his life trying to avoid abomination.
Reminder that it won't be Alia killing him in DUNC. It will be Chani.
>Zendaya must flow
I wonder if they will find a decent child actor for the part.
She'll probably get aged up because spice magic or some such
> At the first chapter, the Bene Gesserit want to kill Paul, so they create a trial they know he will fail. He has to resist pain by nerve induction. If he fails to resist, then they will have proven he is a "beast", a subhuman who acts on impulse rather than reason, thus unfit to live.
The issue was that Jessica was supposed to have a female child (so that they could match her with Feyd Rutha) for their breeding program to produce the Kwizars Hadarack (I’m not looking up the proper way to spell it) the finale male Bene Gesserit. Jessica thought she could skip steps and produce it herself so she had a male child she taught her bene gesserit magic too. This is why the order was pissed, because some non innate with their knowledge, especially a male, was too dangerous. They were making sure he at least had reason and wasn’t an impulsive midwit to handle that power, let alone if he was the Kwizarts
Another thing is that they deteste the waste of any noble blood. At the end when Paul duels Feyd the bene gesserit are freaking out because it means the end of at least one noble line, that’s why they made sure Feyd got the other lady knocked up as an insurance policy.
>Jessica thought she could skip steps and produce it herself so she had a male child she taught her bene gesserit magic too.
No.
She just decided to give Leto a male heir because she's legitimately in love with him knowing what she's doing is against BG orders.
She taught him BG stuff just to try and salvage the situation.
No, it was a bit of both. Jessica loved Duke Leto and wanted to give him a son but she was also arrogant enough to think maybe she could create the Kwisatz Haderach too.
Sounds like the Bene Gesserit are moronic because it's pretty self evident what and who the Baron is from day one. I thought these were meant to be mind reading ultra powerful witches? Utterly useless.
Hubris might as well be the title of the series, and somehow it elludes "fans"
everyone knows hes evil. they want to keep him around and breed him because they are running a super man eugenics program. they dont care that hes evil
Yes.
The baron is part of the bene breeding program so the closer they get to Paul the more outlandish the characters around him are. There's a lot of genetic problems they are trying to iron out and the closer they get the more intelligent and willful the people get. The baron is pauls grandfather.
He's a high level genius but a born sadist and sociopath. He's on the verge of what Paul/leto will become. He's pure violence. But he's smart.
So in the movie him flying down and murdering one of his favorite twinks in front of everyone for no real reason other than fun sends a message that he enjoys dealing out pain, he will do it whenever he wants, it doesn't matter who you are and he's borderline insane so stay the frick back he's got hundreds of thousands of twinks.
Hed semi randomly murder people and torture them at times.
Trump - baron
Biden - Paul
Leto 2 - Obama
George Soros - Jessica
Kayne west - chani
Democrats - Freman
Republicans - bene tlaxxu
Israel - sand worms
Arrakis - Poland
K8a82
>the closer they get to Paul the more outlandish the characters around him are
so the breeding program results in freaks? Daddy leto seems pretty normal.
Leto is a man prostitute with thousands of concubines and has power lust. They skip it in the movies
>so the breeding program results in freaks? Daddy leto seems pretty normal.
thats because that anon is just spouting his moronic schizo head canon if you couldnt tell with his biden and trump analogies
Not this blatant, but the Baron is a gay pedophile rapist. After he takes back Arrakis in the battle he rewards himself by calling for one of his slave boys that he mentions looks like Paul. It’s also implied he wants to rape Paul.
Later on he angrily confront his nephew, Feyd Rutha, who tried to assassinate him by hiding a poisoned needle inside the skin of one of his favorite boy prostitutes and he then punished Feyd by ordering him to personally kill by strangling all the prostitutes in his favorite brothal.
The Harokkens are irredeemably sadistic monsters.
I don't get it. If you Can have anything why would you frick men over 13y old prime teen girls?
Because hes gay, his heirs are his nephews not his children. He does have one secret child (spoiler) and they mention this was a “break” in his norm, implying the bene gesserit manipulated him into having sex with a woman because this big fat gay would never frick a woman on his own
Did they sic Space Elliot Page on him?
It’s garbage it looks like a green screen, is this a pre-production shot? How bad
>it looks like a green screen
>there's literally nothing on a green screen in the shot and all real
these are the morons that like DUNC kek
This didn't age well, looks like a green screen.
Why did he need his father to know he got up from his nap?
i love how the interior of caladan castle looks like a ship's hold
Great observation
>You drank all your water!
>no… no I didn’t
Why did spice turn him Chinese?
It was five spice
mm those goddamn pf changs ribs are calling me.
Yeah I just fricked your mind
You got mind fricked
This movie got me to read all 6 original books I really enjoyed both I'm not sure why it gets such a bad rap it's got great music and it does a good job trying to cram all of book 1 into one movie I give it a personal 8/10
I remember thinking the thuum guns are dumb but liking it otherwise.
I was surprised to learned they were movie original I was thinking the whole time why Paul wasn't using his voice gun to frick everyone up like he did in the movie
Emperor turned out to be my absolute favorite while Heretics bored me for 3/4th's of the book mostly because I was fricking tired of Duncan by that point then the absolute badass Miles Teg starts kicking ass and it finally got my attention. Also the whole space israelites got me confused so you're telling these Black folk survived for thousands of years?
sometimes i still randomly think about rabbi rosenburg or whatever just showing up and start smiling
what is it with anglos and their israelite worship?
Flavour is free man. The thuum isn’t cannon in the Known Universe
>all 6 original books
Based. What did you think of them overall, and each one specifically? What did you think of God-Emperor, and most importantly, what did you think of Heretics and Chapterhouse when Filthy Frank takes off his cringe inhibitors and lets out all his pent up cooomer autism?
One of my favourite scenes ever. I can see why people think the movie is shit but Lynches Dune is one of my favourite movies of all time. Only blade runner and the thing are up there with it
Yeah, i am going to say it. The inner monologues were kino.
It's lazy, it's something that works in a book but not in a movie
But it worked?
It's not lazy, and it worked fine in Lynch's Dune. There's far too much to convey and only moron autists get stuck on 'NOOO You must show don't TELL! WAAHHH' like it's some kind of forbidden curse or some shit
tv baron best baron
New viewer here, a brief summary of why I didn't like dunc(I saw lynchian dune just a few days before, so I wasn't a fan with rose tinted glasses)
>why the frick you begin you movie with a chani pov
>why the frick the setting is scifi, it was fantasy with a drop of science in it
>since it's now scifi at least don't frickin close up on your twenty century helicopter console
>why the frick we don't have a scifi equivalent of the folding space scene?
>why the frick the mother chants the fear prayer, and Paul don't ever? What the frick are you doing?
>why the frick the soundscape it's a bunch of farts
>why you have a 20min of filler in your 2.5h movie
>your twink seems 16, how the frick can he be a believable warrior/general in the followup?
Normies liked it, or it was soon forgotten?
>your twink looks 16
He’s 15 in the book
So....why was the second half of the movie basically a recap of the book? With nothing for a movie watcher that never read the book. It looked like a trailer.
>The monochrome look of Denis Villeneuve’s Dune suggests a sullen view of the world and the future. If you expect a sensual, kinetic, visually exciting movie version of Frank Herbert’s renowned 1965 epic sci-fi novel, be prepared for a presentation of global malaise instead. Villeneuve adapts Herbert’s quasi-religious parable as a study on tribal war between societies on four distant planets — a struggle over the manufacture of the spice named “Mélange” (an empowering, hallucinogenic drug) and the prophesized rise of a messiah, Paul Atreides (Timothée Chalamet). Villeneuve makes this an unmistakable allegory about cross-cultural conflict between the West and the Middle East.
>David Lynch already did heavy lifting for Villeneuve in a 1984 version of Dune, a first attempt at clarifying Herbert’s portentous plot. When young Atreides travels to the spice planet Arrakis, antagonism between the House of Atreides and the Harkonnens (nobles versus reprobates), Lynch’s oddball vision got jumbled in the convoluted narrative. His genre experimentation failed to pass art-school surrealism for mythic, otherworldly sci-fi and was often risible.
>But Villeneuve streamlines style, mood, and narrative, sometimes echoing Lynch’s play with dreams, time lapses, and visual dissolves. There’s more clarity here about Atreides’s family tree and his destiny with the Fremen (natives of Arrakis whose intake of the spice turns their eyes blue) and his fated romance with Fremen concubine Chani (Zendaya). The threat of imperialism comes later.
>Villeneuve bases the film’s look on the desert sands of Herbert’s imagined planet. It’s more than coincidence that the brown-on-beige-on-gray desert and black, craggy mountains resemble Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, and Afghanistan. Herbert’s outer-space, intergalactic pretext — set in the year 10191 — evokes current anxiety. That was also the subject of Villeneuve’s best film, Incendies (2011), about the disasters of ancient war stretched across continents, giving birth to future shame and political strife that affects families for generations. Incendies contemporized everything that Greek tragedy warned us about, and now Villeneuve’s fascination with mankind’s cruelty becomes the message of Dune’s claptrap.
>Of course this approach is humorless. So were the previous sci-fi movies, Arrival and Blade Runner 2049, that won Villeneuve a following made up of the same juveniles who had ignored Incendies. They’ll be settling for a drab sci-fi adventure movie that pretends profundity even though it doesn’t get the fun things right. Lynch, in spite of late-20th-century technology, still managed to make Paul’s command of the enormous Arrakis sandworms kinda awesome (harpooned like Moby-Dick and resembling a Ray Harryhausen circus creature ridden through the desert). But in Villeneuve’s extravaganza, the sandworms look like a $300-million version of Tremors.
>Along with the digital F/X (notably Paul’s protective body shield), Villeneuve’s politics are also updated. Dune’s multiracial political correctness broadcasts globalist condescension, but no better than Cloud Atlas or The Matrix did. This otherworldly sci-fi agitprop exoticizes Islam. Religious differences are vaguely represented by the fight over spice-consciousness, and you know which side progressive Hollywood is on. Villeneuve capitalizes on Herbert’s already unfortunate evocation of the Crusades and adds recent examples of ethnic-cleansing genocide. The Fremen cry, “Who will our next oppressor be?” Yet their fears are trivialized and contradicted when white Paul defeats the black Fremen Jamis (Babs Olusanmokun), Black Panther–style. (“When you take a life, you take your own.”)
>Thinking viewers can’t help but associate this sci-fi religiosity with contemporary political outrage. It doesn’t help that Chalamet represents the West at its entitled worst; he makes an obnoxious, petulant messiah. (Zendaya, Hollywood’s token of the moment, triggers the same aversion.)
>Chances are that Villeneuve’s undemanding, Marvel-bred fans will not recognize Dune’s political and moral echoes: An Apocalypse Now reference indicts Western military folly while allusions to Bedouin superiority suggest the BDS-movement version of Lawrence of Arabia that Edward Said always wanted.
>But if naïve sci-fi geeks prefer to look at movies distinct from the world around them, they’re doomed to miss that Villeneuve neglects the sense of tragedy that made Incendies morally powerful and gave weight to the best parts of Prisoners. They’ll deserve the enervating, nearly three-hour running time and the relentless bleakness of a virtue-signaling wannabe blockbuster. As Zendaya promises Paul, “it’s only the beginning.”
>Picard going into combat with his Battle Pug
i love that movie, everybody looks like a rockstar