Weisman was given a lot more freedom in S3 and S4 to do what he wanted with the show and he demonstrated exactly why creatives need to be reigned in sometimes.
I just watched the first two seasons this week and started the third.
The first season is amazing, only problems are the terrible joker and the fact that the light's plan makes no sense.
The second is way worse but the aliens feel like a threat and the plot at least moves along nicely despite some episodes making no sense. In season we also start getting a bunch of new characters with no introduction, and we are somehow supposed to remember who they are and what their relationships with others are.
Season three seems to be absolute dogshit so far. I can't fricking care one bit about the new characters, about beast boy and his star trek show, or the super obvious done to death plot about the VR goggles that will for sure be used for something bad, which is also copied from season two's soda thingy.
I haven't even got to any homosexualry, which I guess will come.
If you like the Fourth World, lots of familiar characters show up (Darkseid, Big Barda, Orion, Kalibak, Desaad, Granny Goodness, some of the Furies, etc.) during the last two seasons. You also see the Forever People again but they don't do much. If you liked GLTAS, Kilowog and Razer have cameos in an arc in the last season and they're played by the same voice actors.
>too many cameos
you don't have to include everyone we know they exist, just focus on the crew >shoehorning romance everywhere they could
Focus on the hero fans not teenybop shippers >trying outreach to every budding group,
LGBT,black, white, asian, latino, middle eastern, autism, abusive households, depression etc. Again we know that this shit exists focus on the fricking plot.
Some cameos are fine, but it's distracting when you see a really cool character that you'd rather watch in the background and the story keeps going to back to some annoying, less entertaining character that the season is actually focusing on.
>everyone rejects him for killing one guy who deserved it >meanwhile his sister Terra was literally an assassin and killed how many more
Then they turned his AI-piloting-a-flesh-suit gf gay, there’s no winning for him.
It's been a long time since I watched JLU. Wasn't the timeskip pretty short? Like a few months? Most of the characters still looked basically the same but a few got different costumes and some younger characters like Supergirl were slightly aged up.
Yep also they introduced new characters but not a million of them and they were kind of always together like a secondary team so none of the main characters fell behind like the thing they pulled in YJ
I honestly couldn't tell apart the main and side characters of YJ S2, I only recall blue beetle having dedicated screentime
>it was kino
No. It wasn't. The writing was always shallow as frick, it just became shallow with pronouns which allowed you to notice.
Catchphrases are not a substitute for characterization.
Time skips are not a substitute for organic character progression.
It started with a lot of executive meddling. Shit like the catchphrases or Kid Flash collecting stuff are clearly something some exec thought would make the show more succesful. That said, the cast and plot of season 1 were strong enough that the show was still good despite that.
Afterwards, there was less meddling, but the cast became too bloated and so nobody really had a lot of development. Season 2 was okay, but not as good as 1. Didn't even bother with the later seasons, honestly, and what I hear makes me think I made the right call.
I also don't find the art style or character designs that appealing. Joker is the prime example of what I mean, all the classic elements people associate with Joker are there, but there's no real creativity to it so it comes off bland.
They killed wally
>HELLOOOO MEGAN
>I'm Whelmed!
garbage writing
character bloat + lack of clarity regarding where the story wanted to go
Weisman was given a lot more freedom in S3 and S4 to do what he wanted with the show and he demonstrated exactly why creatives need to be reigned in sometimes.
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I just watched the first two seasons this week and started the third.
The first season is amazing, only problems are the terrible joker and the fact that the light's plan makes no sense.
The second is way worse but the aliens feel like a threat and the plot at least moves along nicely despite some episodes making no sense. In season we also start getting a bunch of new characters with no introduction, and we are somehow supposed to remember who they are and what their relationships with others are.
Season three seems to be absolute dogshit so far. I can't fricking care one bit about the new characters, about beast boy and his star trek show, or the super obvious done to death plot about the VR goggles that will for sure be used for something bad, which is also copied from season two's soda thingy.
I haven't even got to any homosexualry, which I guess will come.
Just wait until you get to the pronouns, religious tolerance and mental illness/autism advocacy and awareness plotlines.
I'm not even sure I'll get to it, s3 is so bad I don't think I'll continue
If you like the Fourth World, lots of familiar characters show up (Darkseid, Big Barda, Orion, Kalibak, Desaad, Granny Goodness, some of the Furies, etc.) during the last two seasons. You also see the Forever People again but they don't do much. If you liked GLTAS, Kilowog and Razer have cameos in an arc in the last season and they're played by the same voice actors.
Season 2 happened.
4/5 were trash but it could be good sometimes
>too many cameos
you don't have to include everyone we know they exist, just focus on the crew
>shoehorning romance everywhere they could
Focus on the hero fans not teenybop shippers
>trying outreach to every budding group,
LGBT,black, white, asian, latino, middle eastern, autism, abusive households, depression etc. Again we know that this shit exists focus on the fricking plot.
Some cameos are fine, but it's distracting when you see a really cool character that you'd rather watch in the background and the story keeps going to back to some annoying, less entertaining character that the season is actually focusing on.
my sentiments exactly !
The election.
Reminder that Brion did nothing wrong.
>everyone rejects him for killing one guy who deserved it
>meanwhile his sister Terra was literally an assassin and killed how many more
Then they turned his AI-piloting-a-flesh-suit gf gay, there’s no winning for him.
This could've been the titan titans of the 10s and then the timeskip ruined everything
They were trying to be the justice league but it didn't work out.
Ironically the timeskip in JLU worked
It's been a long time since I watched JLU. Wasn't the timeskip pretty short? Like a few months? Most of the characters still looked basically the same but a few got different costumes and some younger characters like Supergirl were slightly aged up.
Yep also they introduced new characters but not a million of them and they were kind of always together like a secondary team so none of the main characters fell behind like the thing they pulled in YJ
I honestly couldn't tell apart the main and side characters of YJ S2, I only recall blue beetle having dedicated screentime
>it was kino
No. It wasn't. The writing was always shallow as frick, it just became shallow with pronouns which allowed you to notice.
Catchphrases are not a substitute for characterization.
Time skips are not a substitute for organic character progression.
It started with a lot of executive meddling. Shit like the catchphrases or Kid Flash collecting stuff are clearly something some exec thought would make the show more succesful. That said, the cast and plot of season 1 were strong enough that the show was still good despite that.
Afterwards, there was less meddling, but the cast became too bloated and so nobody really had a lot of development. Season 2 was okay, but not as good as 1. Didn't even bother with the later seasons, honestly, and what I hear makes me think I made the right call.
I also don't find the art style or character designs that appealing. Joker is the prime example of what I mean, all the classic elements people associate with Joker are there, but there's no real creativity to it so it comes off bland.
They managed to have the Joker cripple Barbara in an even dumber way than the comics did.
Even the worse seasons run laps around 85% of current capeshit.