Why are girls into comics so rare? In manga you'll easily find girls genuinely interested in manga series, but all the girls I've seen into comics are just in the industry, and they hate it
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Women often do things if it is popular or has clout, comics (themselves) are not popular while Manga generally is.
Your point makes zero sense
Movies and tv shows made comics popular. Everyone and their grandma know who Thanos is. A lot of people read something after watching a shitty MCU movie or Invincible cartoon and shit. Comics are mainstream, not as big as manga, but still.
>Everyone and their grandma know who Thanos is.
Because of the movies. No one reads the Thanos comics. I don't even know the title of a comic in which he appears.
I read the Thanos comics and I fricking regretted it. Jim Starlin simps for his own creation harder than most actual fanfiction writers.
There's "I want to tell a soap opera about a psychopathic space warlord's eternal love quest" and then there's "Thanos ATTACKS AND DETHRONES GOD and frick you all, only Thanos can truly defeat Thanos!" like no frick you Starlin, Thanos is a cuck who lost his girl to Deadpool a long time ago, stop trying to make him the actual center of the omniverse.
I think Thanos has actually made me hate Adam Warlock by association, simply because Starlin keeps treating them as kind of estranged brothers and I just can't take the idea of Warlock treating Thanos as this force of nature to be appeased, even admired and respected seriously.
I still find that one thread where some anons found out Meyer eventually wrote a genderswapped Twilight and immediately GOT IT hilarious because
>tfw no tomboy native american werewolf GF stalking you through the woods
>tfw no immortal groomer vampire gf
I mean, I read Let The Right One In instead so I got my fix elsewhere.
It probably doesn't help that the final Rebuild movie is less of a coherent plot and more Anno celebrating the fact that he's in a happy marriage, and just kind of skims over all the implications about Mari.
Oh he is. Let me rephrase that: He is LESS popular than Optimus/Megatron or Megatron/Starscream. That is all.
>I still find that one thread where some anons found out Meyer eventually wrote a genderswapped Twilight and immediately GOT IT hilarious because
>>tfw no tomboy native american werewolf GF stalking you through the woods
>>tfw no immortal groomer vampire gf
>I mean, I read Let The Right One In instead so I got my fix elsewhere.
Yeah, guys dig it. It just seems that no one makes it.
kind of surprised there arent any more harem animes where the MC converts evil women. I think there are a few hentais like that, but no main series. I think dudes would eat it up.
Some stuff hints at it. Like Ryoko was technically evil when she was sealed in tenchi muyo. Eris Boreas Greyrat from Jobless reincarnation kind of starts out that way but is quickly turned into a violent autist. Oh and I guess Lum started out technically the bad guy of the series, but that was quickly solved in less than an episode or so.
Japan probably has a bigger issue with giving women agency in popular series. I suspect they would never let a main character fill a harem with women that are far superior to him in ability and evil doings in the same way a reverse harem would surround a female mc with men that are far superior to her in ability and evil doings.
>Japan probably has a bigger issue with giving women agency in popular series. I suspect they would never let a main character fill a harem with women that are far superior to him in ability and evil doings
Black Lagoon is kind of like that.
It is pretty odd that Let The Right One In of all things is one of the more clearcut examples-and Eli is literally a trap. The closest anime example I can think of is Black Lagoon which-
-what the frick happened to Black Lagoon anyway? It was going and Rock seemed to be heading down a dark path and worry Revy and then it just kind of...stopped?
>harem animes where the MC converts evil women.
If you are okay with actual porn this is what the Rance games are about. Though not all harem additions were necessarily evil before, some are just great warriors that join him (and have sex), but it's still part of the premise to win over enemies and add the female fighters (aka most of them) to the harem. That series is largely written by a woman btw. The Bastard manga and anime might fulfill that role as well, albeit without actual porn scenes.
Check out the Dogs: Bullets & Carnage manga
>Yeah, guys dig it. It just seems that no one makes it.
I mean, there is literally a manga that's basically just genderswapped Twilight with less werewolves, except the male lead is even younger.
>I suspect they would never let a main character fill a harem with women that are far superior to him in ability and evil doings in the same way a reverse harem would surround a female mc with men that are far superior to her in ability and evil doings.
Ironically the closest I can think of to this for a male MC are isekai.
Because soundwave is his own guy. He doesn't have dysfunctional relationships
He gets shipped but strangely mainly by asians that ship him with Megatron-sama.
What I hate about Starlin's Thanos is the same thing I hate about comics Doom.
Having respect for a villain you write is one thing. Making sure your villain is threatening and hard to defeat? Absolutely fine by me.
Pulling childish "nooooo I let you win, it was a Doombot who lost that time and I'm just greatest anyway" wank just makes them more pathetic and not in a way a writer may have intended.
I have to agree with you on Thanos, it's annoying, I get people like power fantasies but the Marvel universe is a shared one, using other characters to wank off your creation makes you dislike their presence, at least Batman can actually be humbled in his own books.
You just proved his point you moron.
>Manga generally is.
women were into manga before it was popular and lol at the idea of reading manga giving anyone clout.
>implying western women read shit like Naruto or AoT or BnH for "clout"
Don't you ever get tired of east vs west stuff? don't you have a life/something you enjoy doing OP?
Where do you think we are
I actually think that women never go too deep into their hobbies. Now hear me out
They can read few comics here and there but ask this b***h about something specific- she will never reply. "Huh I thought Spawn was in Marvel". Same with manga. Same with MtG and anything else. They don't spend too much time on it and usually just want to keep appearances of "someone who's interesting" while in fact they are extremely boring. They lose interest in everything way too quickly, like adhd kid watching TikTok, and reading comics demands some level of concentration and willing to make shit of convoluted continuity (if we're taking capeshit).
Meanwhile we, BOYS, non ironically invest time in what we enjoy. My head is full of absolutely useless comic trivia and I have no one to blame but myself
>"Huh I thought Spawn was in Marvel".
Speaking as a guy, same. In our collective defense, he's drawn in Marvel's house style circa 91 and Image was basically "I Can't Believe it's not Marvel" at the time.
ok incel
>I actually think that women never go too deep into their hobbies. Now hear me out
this is mostly true. The average woman is pretty lazy about her hobbies.
But autistic women do exist. And they can get pretty heavy into fanfics, manga, japanese rpgs, etc.
What appeals to them about that stuff, and not american comics?
IDK plenty manga has legions of fangirls who obsess over it and can more or less tell you every detail and do lots of speculation and theorizing ontop of writing gay fanfic.
>IDK plenty manga has legions of fangirls
They probably aren't good looking
Nah just look at these amount of e-giris on the Internet
They're cutie
Filters and good makeup/lighting can hide a lot.
Sour grapes?
How? I’m just stating what’s true, people on the internet 9/10 look better than in real life
>9/10 people look better in pictures than in real life
Even if you believe this (which is sad), what's your point?
>what’s you’re point
That
makes no sense? Are you illiterate?
So everyone's ugly? Everyone except you?
This is just common sense. People tend to chose the most flattering photos of themselves to put online. Girls in particular put a lot of effort into taking selfies and choosing flattering angles, getting creative with cropping, etc. to the point where sometimes the girl in the picture doesn't look like the girl you know in real life anymore. They don't usually post the bad pictures or the unflattering ones where they're mid-sneeze or they just rolled out of bed or something unless they're intentionally trying to be funny.
>e-girls
Yes, because the internet never lies
Go to a Sherlock fansite and be amazed to the level of scrutiny they can have about their favorite ship.
>Go to a Sherlock fansite and be amazed to the level of scrutiny they can have about their favorite ship.
well yes, people do become hyper focuses on the stories they use to make their toys kiss.
I think one of the best livewire threads we had this year was people spitballing on an else world / what if where clark interned at the radio station instead before going to the daily planet and live wire and supes start a relationship before Lane.
I wouldnt be surprised if half the discussion was women. Had it been a gay relationship it would have probably been all women.
>women can only think about wiener
I would say it's the opposite with comics. At least with certain aspects of comics. Truly nerdy, knows individual issue numbers fans are a limited breed. There's root to the stereotype, but a good deal of readers, the Wednesday warrior crowd, are mainly along for the ride. They don't really care about character relationships beyond having their favorites win and get good comics. Many are focused on the current stuff because they're addicted to a steady stream of "new" product.
Meanwhile, there are women out there that can break down Batfamily history through decades. More than editors. I see more women talk about Batman comics from the 80's then I do male fans talk about that era. .
> see more women talk about Batman comics from the 80's then I do male fans talk about that era. .
No you don’t.
Two words anon: Jason Todd.
your not wrong, seen some fangirls talk about 80s robin run, and posting Jason robin pics on twitter
Jason has been a pet project of the female batfandom for over 20 years. It's kind of funny that they invested in his potential so far in advance.
Why though? Why do girls like him? It cant be because he's edgy or angsty, theres a million other characters like that in comics.
Jason is an inherently dramatic, angsty character with the advantage of being a major bat with a more immediate tragedy than most characters get. Their fixation predates his return, so at the time it was theoretical potential for family drama. Then he came back and it was like Christmas. It's interesting that in the oldfics you can see the beginnings of his characterization today, both canonical and fanon.
his version of "women" are troons
>his version of "women" are troons
>all the women I dont like are trannies
everytime
Not troons anon. Not pretty or skinny, but not troons.
True, I've had multiple girls tell me they only pretend to like things so that either me or the guy they have a crush on will think they have something in common. It's literally psycho shit. Because of this my rule of thumb has been that if a girl seems interesting at all, she is faking it, because as a guy you will not be interested in whatever actual bullshit they are into, like singing shows.
its amazing how far women will go with this.
I have a friend who pretended to like star wars to get with a hunky military guy that cosplayed as storm troopers. Got into it big. Made a mando armor. Joined the 501. Is even going to be a in a coming star wars documentary where they interview people on why they like star wars.
She didn't like star wars at all before this guy. And even after all the volunteer work, she hasn't seen all the movies, let alone the show.
if a dude is hot enough, women will look said man in the face and happily say they enjoy eating rocks, if he also enjoys partaking of rocks.
Rocks are good for you though.
He isn't mad about anything, you are probably the one with autism for thinking so.
>like singing shows.
When America's got talent started, I honestly thought it'd fail.
Shows what I know about the masses' tastes.
Same shit with all reality TV, really. I don't know how shit like Big Brother had multiple seasons.
That being said, I'm not entirely innocent; I used to watch the one about the bike shop where the son and dad scream at eachother, but I watched it to see the custom bikes.
>That being said, I'm not entirely innocent; I used to watch the one about the bike shop where the son and dad scream at eachother, but I watched it to see the custom bikes.
its really unfortunate that grew out of shows focused on fixing and crafting things, and ultimately replaced them.
I guess people really need for people to be all spicey and full of drama.
I honestly enjoy just some comfy crafting/creating videos.
Like watching a big bald german guy try to make crossbows more dangerous.
It's pointless, but I love to see the clever little things that can be done to improve an old weapon.
>I honestly enjoy just some comfy crafting/creating videos.
>Like watching a big bald german guy try to make crossbows more dangerous.
>It's pointless, but I love to see the clever little things that can be done to improve an old weapon.
I could watch that stuff all day. Facebook has figured it out too and keeps showing me videos of people fixing old tools.
I'm like "yes, take all that rust off. Yes lets make some new screws for this. Oh, now put the paint on"
Its pretty comfy and I could watch it for an hour or more. No drama. No talking. Just fixing something.
I mean it should be easy to tell such fakers apart from fans. A fan will be fan of the thing before she meets you and you will find the comics and fandom shit in her apartment when you visit her or see her fanart or fanfic of it.
A faker doesn't draw or write this is too much work and they don't buy shit either and only start pretending to like the thing when the person they want to impress gets close to them. If you cannot discern that from actual interest you are legit moronic. I always know when someone is faking it.
To be fair, how many people actually draw or write? Like how common is it for nonartists to get into that shit? I image that yeah there's obviously more to being a fan than rote consuming but very much how one gets into discussing or thinking about it.
imo most artists start by some form of fan work. I dont think many start out by drawing something they are indifferent to like a tree or a ball or some rocks. Its almost always something they are really into and they just keep at it.
No it makes perfect sense for most artists to be fans of stuff, but the reverse doesn't track. I don't see most fans being artists, so if you're dating someone who says they're really into Godzilla, yet haven't so much as doodled him in all their work....might be kinda bullshit.
Good question. I know some that do it but you are right that it is indeed rare. Still should be somewhat easy to tell fans from pretenders apart I think. In general I only witness the latter with normalgay women. And normalgays are easy to recognize since they care about social shit and attention and the alleged fandom feels alien in that context. I don't really talk to normalgays but I assume that they rather agree to the shit you say and claim to love the popular parts of a franchise. When you meet real fans, especially girls, they usually prefer side characters or some of the villains, as other anons have said.
I also doubt that a fake fan would know much about the lore. Fans cannot stop speaking about that or their favorite characters. I have a friend who talks to me about her Overlord/Tarn fantasies and everything lore related from their series for four years now (two characters from some transformer series). I like the franchise too but I don't ship and yet I feel like I know about every fanfic and fanart in existence by now because she will never shut up about it or move on I fear.
It usually depends on how much the other person is into it, how much it comes up, how much they actually care. Like ironically the alpha nerd cliche is probably one of the few people who'd be thorough enough to try and sniff them out unless they themselves are pretending to be the authority on whatever fandom they're pretending to be into. Like it'd be nice to have a gf who's into all the same gay shit as me but I don't think I'd care to call her out on being wrong about something inconsequential unless she's being a b***h about it.
You may have ADHD or autism anon. Your mad that people don't have hyper fixations the same way you do. Having hyperfications is not normal or common.
Because most comic fans are male and they are notoriously unpleasant with women. Take almost any thread on /co for example. It makes getting into comics daunting.
this + comic writers are as well
they love throwing helpless women into the plot just to get raped
3 of what many consider as some of the greatest comics: Watchmen, Sandman, The Killing Joke.....what do they all have in common? rape
That wouldn't really change anything. If you take Cinemaphile as an example, then you have an example of people still getting into the material despite everyone else around them being incorrigible and insufferable to each other. The idea that the majority of comic book nerds are friendless, arguing c**ts directly shows you don't need friends or good people to get into comics.
Women just don't like capeshit. And most western comics is capeshit. So naturally of course more women will read manga, manga allows for more genres in general which includes shit that will actually appeal to them
I know a bunch of girls that love comics, but it's never cape shit, they are rather into robots. The net is flooded with transformer fanart and the likes and the artists are basically always women so I think it's not just my country.
This. Same experience here.
>I know a bunch of girls that love comics, but it's never cape shit, they are rather into robots. The net is flooded with transformer fanart and the likes and the artists are basically always women so I think it's not just my country.
surprising but true.
I recall during the last fandom event where they showed the 86 TF movie in theaters. there were a few small groups of 20 something year old girls. Usually groups of like 2 or 3. The theater was mostly groups of men in their 30s and 40s and girls in their 20s.
kind of funny to think there is going to be a whole group of zoomer women carrying G1 before whatever sparks gen a or whatever to get into the g1 style stuff
Nobody here wants to admit it, but it's because comics don't sell the kind of fantasy that women enjoy. And I'm not talking about power, abstract ideals or god forbid the representation crap that doesn't actually represent anyone outside the writers' bubbles. I'm talking about sincerity, and about conflict that has lasting consequences and sincere, passionate actors.
Try explaining the current state of the X-Men. "Oh, they blew up due to their own hubris...again". Or the state of Batman. "He's in trouble, brooding over his past mistakes...no, the wedding with Catwoman thing was a farce all along"
And you look at something like Jujutsu Kaisen, and there's a hot boy kicking another hot boy in the face. Or you look at something like Spy X Family and they're having a giggle over the cutesy spy family. There are comics that DO hit similar beats as anime, like Transformers, but as other anons pointed out women tend to talk about their interests differently to men (to the extent of, generally, being more keen to do it online rather than IRL) and also it's harder to find comics that hit the beats they like with weighty drama. Especially when the Big 2's idea of weighty drama usually involves contrivance, memberberries or resets.
And besides, if you know any guys in the industry I sincerely doubt THEY'RE happy about everything in print right now either. Comics being shit is something both genders can appreciate.
I for one am not fricking surprised. I've read enough Transformers fanfiction where Megatron daterapes and mpregs Optimus or vice versa, or some Decepticon spends 3 chapters crying about his broken legs to know that this reeks of the same energy a woman puts into Harry Potter or Twilight fanfiction.
I have met a transformers autistic girl and also know a Gundam autistic girl. Anecdotally cam confirm these girls exist. Transformers girl will rant endlessly to me about transformers deeplore every conversation if I don't stop her.
>building a gunpla with your gundam gf while arguing if Tomino was a genius or a hack
I dont give af about transformers or Gundam and think it's moronic. The only giant robots I like is evangelion which both girls think are moronic when I showed it to them separately.
I love TF and Gundam but NGE is great. I don't talk about it anymore though because everybody will call everything that isn't a generic comedy or action show "pretentious" nowadays and NGE in particular. Honestly I don't even find male fans I can discuss it with anymore. Everybody only whines about Shinji being a loser when his depression and struggles are one of the central plot points of the series and calls the rest pretentious even though the mysteries, hints and uncommon camera angles and scenes were just done to keep it interesting. I would pay to get more series like this.
Nah, I think there are plenty of normal nge fans(even though most of them aren't). Also when call it "pretentious", they just do it out of confusion since they simply can't engage with the general mood/atmosphere of the anime and they can't think of a proper word to criticize that so they use the sacred word instead.
>Transformers girl will rant endlessly to me about transformers deeplore every conversation if I don't stop her.
...what does she look like and do you have contact info?
Was she a Tarn gay? Most TF grills I know LOVE Tarn. It's mostly either him, Starscream, Ratchet, Megatron/Optimus as a ship they are into or some random evil autobot from the comics. Though it's fun finding some single weirdos that are obsessed with characters like Xaaron or Flame that literally nobody else cares about.
All the fujos with good taste go for Soundwave. Alas, just like with men, there aren't as many fujos with good taste.
Soundwave seems pretty mainstream to me, at least among husbando fangrills and fujos that ship him.
>Why are hot girls that will frick me that are also into the comics that I like so rare?
Fixed that for you pal.
I've heard there are apparently a metric shit ton of female Transformers fans online, but I've never encountered one in the wild. Do they actually care about the lore or do they just like the idea of all of the characters being gay?
>but I've never encountered one in the wild.
Just look at the fanart side of things
> Do they actually care about the lore or do they just like the idea of all of the characters being gay?
The lore feeds into the gay.
>Do they actually care about the lore or do they just like the idea of all of the characters being gay?
The ones I see talk about and like the lore, but they concentrate on the characters they like the most and usually seem to stick to one specific series (mostly IDW1, Prime or IDW2 from what I can tell). Lots of them are from Asia or Europe or Russia though, so they probably don't go to any TF cons.
Lindsay Ellis wrote an entire fanfic novel about Starscream.
and we love her for it.
>Lindsay Ellis wrote an entire fanfic novel about Starscream.
of course she did.
Which also makes her review of Jem so insufferable.
She loves starscream and yet hates a cartoon with essentially 3 starscreams trying to kill a superstar. Pizzazz pretty much as the same character as starscream, constantly trying to end and replace JEM.
I guess the treachery and betrayal doesnt count if you dont want to frick the character.
>Female transformer fans
>Do they actually care about the lore or do they just like the idea of all of the characters being gay
A few months ago I bought a Transformers doujinshi from my fujo friend. It was a Chase x Charlie rescue bots thing. From the looks of the manga, she certainly cares about the lore but she also likes robot wiener so there's a caveat.
>Why were you buying a-
I like supporting my fellow fujo friends. It was her first doujinshi.
Wtf is going on? Why robot dick?
idk man I'm not a transformer/robotfricker so I wouldn't know.
>they are rather into robots
Why is this? Not even judging but it seems to be a trend that I never quite understood.
Many male characters all in one series, varied bodytypes with extras like little fins, antennas or wings that make them more handsome or cute and they are all colorful and shiny. Plus, the shiny big eyes.
Another thing might be that most robots are more or less adonis-shaped, strong and scary on the outside but often weak on the inside, especially for certain Transformer comics/series where they are suffering from trauma or insecurities.
Not sure but maybe the alien/otherness aspect is relevant as well. Many years ago an autist told me that she could only related to non-humans in fiction because she felt alienated by humans or weird around them. Maybe their robot nature makes them more approachable for certain types of people. Or attractive for other types of people that want some "exotic" men. Could also be both.
Robots also tend to be more visually abstract and thus less "threatening" or bland to women. A lot of superheroes with similar bodytypes tend to be drawn in a very clinical way. women can project their preferences on them more
A woman will look at say, this G1 shockwave, and be like" look at his loose little waist!" or "look at his big breasts!"(they call male muscular chest breasts)
>"look at his big breasts!"
TF gay that likes to save fanart here, can confirm.
>A woman will look at say, this G1 shockwave, and be like" look at his loose little waist!" or "look at his big breasts!"(they call male muscular chest breasts)
he does have some big robot gazongas
Is this an actual autistm thing? Not like "haha I call you an autist you so wierd" but their actual brain plumbing is really the xyz dmc5 defation of tism?
No anon they're just enjoying something and funposting about it.
>Why is this? Not even judging but it seems to be a trend that I never quite understood.
probably for the same reason they like yaoi. There is an intereview with a yaoi lover that is pretty enlightening. One reason she gave for liking yaoi is that if there is a female in the relationship she cant keep her self from inserting at the woman. That gave her anxiety. She was too sympathetic to her, the woman character. She felt her stress and fear. This made reading the romance not fun. With yaoi, there is no one to insert as, so there is no stress. It wasnt so much that she liked yaoi relationships, it was that it solved the stress problem.
The alieness of robot stories may do similar. The reader isnt a giant robot so they dont self insert as them.
women self insert in fiction apparently very differently from men.
The 0:35 mark.
Every woman I've ever dated has liked MCU movies, it's not capeshit, it's the fact that you need a PhD in continuity to follow Western capeshit comics and follow what volume by which run follows which character. Not just women either, I know dudes who read manga and Image comics who aren't interested in western cape comics. You're either about this life or you're not.
Yeah. Same for most Europeans that didn't grow up with cape stuff since the 70s. It's hard to get in and the market is oversaturated. If you can choose between hundreds of potentially interesting series you won't get into the few that force you to have prior knowledge and cross-read five other series the comic you want is crossing over with and change the artist every two issues. I like short indie comics that are end after 5-20 issues, cannot bother ever getting into superhero crap either. Especially since the stories hardly ever sound original, fun or interesting enough to justify going through all that other shit.
Probably for the reasons mentioned. I am friends with a good bunch of women that are very deeply engrossed in their hobbies and spend most of their free time drawing art for them, but it's never cape stuff. Some of them are into US stuff though and draw Starscream or Optimus, but I don't think I have ever met a female Superman fan or anything.
Basically 95% of the people that are into superhero comics are people that grew up with them. If you didn't you won't get into it and neither non-Anglos nor most of the anglo women did that I assume, or maybe it's at least less common for them. I guess it was more likely for a parent in the US to buy their son a superhero issue than doing that for the daughter, but no idea.
MCU is more a lifestyle brand then actually anything to do with comics.
I'm a guy and can say that's a part of it for me too. Since I was little I was quickly turned away by cape comics for a number of reasons I'll list.
>covers and variant covers confused the frick out of me as a kid, it wasn't uncommon to see a book, buy it, then get disappointed when the cover art either looked way better than what's inside or depict something that doesn't even happen in the issue
>crossover/big events where in order to follow the story you need to buy/read different comics sometimes in some weird ass order, like in order to follow the story of comic X #5 you need to read Comic A #9 or w/e
>Generally boring homogenous designs especially for heroes and important villains. The most interesting it gets is usually only with stuff like X-men and Green Lantern and stuff with a stronger focus on aliens where there are occasionally very inhuman looking main characters and heroes/villains. I can't stand for example how in Marvel and DC its super common for multiple different kinds of aliens that are very different from each other and all come from different worlds to conveniently all look like regular ass humans
I loved Nana Shane about the ending and the creator.
A lot of shojo manga cater to females because the genre specifically caters to them. Comics, specially cape comics, caters to men - and should cater to men since they are the original target and not females or anyone who is too feminine.
>should cater to men since they are the original target
They were originally made for children you crooked tooth frick. I guess that explains how you got into them
Wasnt Superman given out on WW2 rations or something like that?
Alt girls may like indie comics, fewer still just might like capeshit, but the average girl is not going to find anything appealing about dudes in their underwear punching other dudes to save the city.
Unless you are jaded, I'd say 17 and 18 year olds sent into a meat grinder count as children.
Unless they're sufficiently attractive. Plenty of girls read fightan manga where the premise boils down to hot buys beating each other up and having flashbacks.
It's funny you guys say this when I'd say most of the female fanfic/fanart I see for comics revolves around big, muscular bara guys and really fit ottermode boys.
Obviously it's a niche but still amusing
I mean, a lot of the characters in shonen manga are extremely in shape, so that can also play into your observation. Personally I don't buy that girls are inherently not compatible with the superhero comics style; I've known too many girls who are into them and sound suspiciously like the guys here complaining about editorial choices and bad writing.
>children
Men = Male = Boys
>They were originally made for children you crooked tooth frick. I guess that explains how you got into them
and yet now they are only sold at stores that an adult has to purposely go to like a comic shop
Women dominate sales you dummy.
You have no idea what you are talking about lol. There's a ton of female comics fans they just aren't the Cinemaphile browsing type.
They exist but they stay in their little hubs. Men and women have different approaches to how they discuss media and fandom in general.
Also manga for the most part delivers hotter men for women. mostly
>They exist but they stay in their little hubs. Men and women have different approaches to how they discuss media and fandom in general.
Yeah I think this is it, for every one nerd woman hanging around, there are no organized fandoms where women get together over the hobby like men do.
Women probably have more organized discussion spaces(with more actual discussion than men do. Even going back to the geocities fansites/livejournal days, and now it's twitter(where women basically dominate comics twitter) and discord.
Male comic fans basically gave up on keeping up online spaces at the end of the blogosphere days. There's a sad drying up of men talking about comics around 2012 when yous ee a lot of comic blogs/twitters/ guide site stop updating.
The thing is, men still ARE the majority, but you'd be hard pressed to find this online because they're all on dying forums like Something awful, CBR, and slow ass reddit boards. Male comic fans are a silent audience. They don't really produce fanart, make videos, talk up product as much as women do.
>Women probably have more organized discussion spaces(with more actual discussion than men do.
That's not remotely true. A lot of their discussions tend to be a shallow as you see it in male forums.
They might be shallow, but they actually keep up with the times and up to date. Where as male areas for discussion are dying. that's the point.
>Where as male areas for discussion are dying. that's the point
mostly caused by cellphones and social media.
A lot of people apparently didnt like typing out lengthy replies on a forum using a computer. Or looking for a website and coming back to it.
Everyone moved to facebook groups and discord and they type out three and four word replies with their cellphone which kills engagement.
This. Phones and social media killed the internet. Everything is just short replies, meme screeching and emojis now and to make matters worse most of these platforms are closed places that you cannot google.
Back in the old days you could even google a full sentence with typos in "" and get a match, simply for how fricking huge the internet was.
Now everybody talks in discord and on instagram or facebook where google search cannot reach. It happens every day now that I google some common question or a well-known thing without getting any proper matches because nobody uses forums, blogs, image boards or anything anymore. The whole online engagement happens on like three websites for phones. Cinemaphile is but a dying backwater village compared to shitty places the masses frequent.
I also wonder why they are less likely to draw fanart. Fics make sense I think, but art can be everything and fangirls aren't just producing shipping fanart, they draw all kinds of stuff. Or maybe I just like the wrong series. Maybe the majority of moe fanart is done by men while the women are drawing the fanart for shounen, action cartoons and robots, but I am not into those cute girls types of anime so I maybe just don't see it.
The women producing all that fanart simply have more freetime and less stress than men. Women in general have less pressure to go out and work and move out because it's more acceptable for a woman to live at home with parents than men. And those women also tend to work less stressful jobs that don't drain them as much. Granted, a lot of those women gradually DO fall out of fandom around 25 as they get more into adult life and have less time to draw. unless they make a living out of it.
Yeah probably. I tend to befriend nerdy people, but the women I am friends with or once knew are mostly NEETing or doing part-time whereas there is only one male NEET. For various reasons, some of them are mental, like women being more likely to seek help which might make life easier and allow them to only work part-time and get additional money from the state. I know men who are clearly having serious issues with slave waging and forced socializing too but they either can't or won't seek out a psychiatrist (you can actually get an easier life here if you are diagnosed as autist or something).
Because being labelled a male autist is a reproductive death sentence.
manga are comics, so i guess youre talking about superheroes.
>Why are girls into comics so rare? In comics you'll easily find girls genuinely interested in manga series
So are they into comics or not?
>be foid
>read a lot of X-Men, capeshit and a lot of indie or French comics
>go to college for drawing comics
>go back to hometown, visit LCS
>Under new management
>Owner's son starts grilling me about what I read
>Acts like women reading comics is a rarity even though 80% of my friends who read comics are female
>I didn't think people like him existed outside of Tumblr strawman posts
>Tell him I studied comics and draw them for a living
>"Have you read the most influential comic of the 2010s?"
> Uh....
>"Do you even know what it is?"
>Uhhh I don't know, Ultimate Comics Spider-Man?
>"The Walking Dead?! Hurr durr I study comics but I don't know anything about them!"
>mfw
Sounds like you got rekt
I was too autistic to come up with a good reply so I just left
holy frick. I hope you called him a tryhard.
women want to be treated like equals, but as soon as a man treats them like he would a man, all of a sudden there is a problem. you should feel lucky that he even talked to you at all you stuck-up b***h.
>as soon as a man *does something he would never dare do to another man's face
lol ok
>men don't test each other, tease, or argue over such things
you absolute ignoramus
>interrogating a customer, not a friend with known conversational boundaries
lol ok
see, only a woman who is up her own ass with girl power bullshit would make it a sex issue, and we both know that's the point of the post, that the thing happened to her because she is a woman. way to move the goalpost to "well the guy is unprofessional". you silly little weasel.
I'm not sure why you think that post is a rebuttal. That isn't a moved goalpost at all; male customers don't get credential checked by employees, ever, and women do. This is hardly the first time I've seen this kind of attitude described.
You're also not doing a very good job pretending you didn't pick out that post to whine about just because you needed an excuse to screech about women.
>male customers don't get credential checked by employees, ever, and women do. This is hardly the first time I've seen this kind of attitude described.
they do, its just less frequent. And not in front of women, because the guy doing it doesn't want to look like an ass in front of a potential romantic partner.
sure they do
my very first point was that yes men indeed do that to each other, and i know this because i am a man. you clearly don't know how to follow an argument. go knit a sandwich.
>..of course it is. It's about how the sexes are treated differently. Who's saying otherwise?
and my point was that it's bullshit in that scenario because guys do that same thing to each other. either you didnt even bother to read the comment chain and jumped into the middle of a conversation, or you're just moron or pretending to be moronic.
the original post about the girl? yeah it's probably bs
My point was a direct refutation of your post. If you're too stupid to get that, that's on you. It's obvious now that you're attempting to deflect and you're really just here to shit your pants about women, so your concession is accepted and your replies are hidden.
>My point was a direct refutation of your post.
no, you moved the goalpost. i'm right, you're wrong, end of story.
>yes men indeed do that to each other, and i know this because i am a man
Are you sure you're not just an butthole?
women dont understand that to men this isn't necessarily being an butthole, it's being playful, thats why they get upset if it happens to them. if you arent a woman, then sorry you had no friends growing up dude.
It sounds pretty shitty, but it also sounds kinda like bullshit. Like you're an autismo but you know everything about the store, including the alpha sperg who you've never seen before and know the whole rundown of why he's there? There's a whole fricking narrative to this.I don't buy it.
>we both know that's the point of the post
...of course it is. It's about how the sexes are treated differently. Who's saying otherwise?
>post explicitly notes staff change while they lived in another city
Yes, that's my point, they change staff while she's out of town. But then she knows the whole run down after coming back apparently? Despite being an autist who can't so much as make a comeback and has to flee a store rather than say frick off and buy your books. This story don't pass the smell test, this ones goin' under fake and gay
You should be able to work out from the greentext that they had some additional conversation before the weirdness started in which she learned that the business had changed hands and she was talking to the new owner's kid. Like
>hey, the shop has a new name
>yeah, my dad bought it last year
>>as soon as a man *does something he would never dare do to another man's face
>lol ok
you might be surprised how poorly men treat each other. especially when women aren't around
25% of men are domineering horrible garbage dumps
Sure, but the story is about walking into a hobby shop and getting performative gatekeeping.
Men who are lifelong friends will frequently rip on each other in ways that might look bad to outsiders, but are actually part of the way they bond. It's important to know the difference between guys' banter and guys who are genuinely trying to insult, belittle and hurt other men, just as it's important to figure out which guys you just can't banter with at all. Friends tend to know where the lines between banter and actual hurtful insults are with each other, and not to cross that line.
not really talking about that. Was more thinking about Type A men at work that have to always be right and try to measure dicks.
lol you sound like an incel
you sound fat
yeah man, im like drinking a whole six pack rn
>Oh no I got called out on being a poser and couldn't even answer the most basic question even normalgays who read comic book news articles could better blame it on all men everywhere and come to Cinemaphile to cry for attention.
Enjoy your minimum wage drawing job btw moron.
>I'M NOT SELF INSERTING YOU'RE THE ONE SELF INSERTING!
take your meds
Absolutely seething and failing at basic reading comprehension. Sasuga, anon.
Tell me a single goddamn thing I read wrong otherwise you're a confirmed coping troon.
> please do my homework or you're a troon
Kek. You do that, certified moron.
I gave mainstream comics a try because I like a lot of capeshit cartoons but they just kind of suck. The interiors are either ugly as sin or too busy and unpleasant to look at. The stories are all too repetitive to give much of a shit about, and the characters aren't consistent. I'd rather just read a novel than try to read word bubbles over ugly pictures. I like European comics, Karascoet and Barbucci in particular, and Junji Ito comics that aren't super manga-y. Basically I just like reading something linear, that has an ending, and that doesn't have "*see Amazing Supergay Issue 210 page 69" every other page
I feel this. Have you checked out Rick Remender’s non-cape shit. His writing is pretty consistently good.
This. A lot of western comics look like ass
Very busy, shit everywhere. When I look at the pencilwork it'll often look immaculate, people that ink and colour things though usually have this distinct capeshit style that looks garish
>When I look at the pencilwork it'll often look immaculate, people that ink and colour things though usually have this distinct capeshit style that looks garish
I really wish things went back to the 80s early 90s style with the flatter colors.
IMO the only reason things are so garish, is so they have an excuse to use nicer paper and charge more.
It’s interesting since even studious women love manga. A month ago I saw two german women looking at manga and my friend talked with them a little and found out they are studying medicine.
I was in japan a few months ago and even random cuties on the subway are reading doraemon and demon slayer on their phones on the subway.
Because women have generally better taste than men and recognize the garbage that is capeshit.
>Because women have generally better taste than men and recognize the garbage that is capeshit.
anon...come on. Women will watch the most trashy garbage mc garbage shit from garbage town. They know it and admit it.
They will get a piant of icecream and sit and watch the worst brain rot youve ever seen
I know a lot of girls who love shit like Sandman. I think there's just a lack of comics about cute men doing cute things. I think they're generally bored with capeshit, unless they can ship some cute men with eachother. Which is why Avengers fanfiction with cringe shipping is so prevalent.
>Avengers fanfiction with cringe shipping is so prevalent.
I think that is another thing. Women dont come to Cinemaphile and admit they are women. They write fanfics and talk on fanfic forums.
Yeah I am pretty sure that most anons that are getting called gay here because they "fap" to their husbandos are actually women, even if the husbando is a beefcake.
>Yeah I am pretty sure that most anons that are getting called gay here because they "fap" to their husbandos are actually women, even if the husbando is a beefcake.
I do wonder how many women that get called troons here are just women that left tumblr years ago
The characters in comics simply aren’t interesting. Most of the time western comics written for the male audience have women characters that have super powers, are physically immaculate, and unrelatable. Comics targeting women are usually steeped in forced diversity cues or are tiresome autobiographies about sheltered middle class white girls coming out as lesbians in college. One of my favorite quotes from a female manga author is that she likes writing about losers, I’ll find the book and post the entire quote.
>I want to depict people who try very hard and don’t make it. In boys’ magazines people who try hard always win. That is not what I want. I want to show the people who didn’t win, whose dreams didn’t come true. It is not possible for everyone to get first prize. I want my readers to understand the happiness that people can get from trying hard, going through the process, and being frustrated.
Western animation and comics are so oversaturated in fantastical wish fulfillment / escapism stories or reboots that down-to-earth themes like this rarely appear. Except for like, King of the Hill?
King of the Hill was awesome yeah. You have that wish fulfillment in anime too of course, but anime/manga is more diverse you can always find your niche. E.g. two of my favorite anime are Casshern Sins and Girls' Last Tour that both deal with characters that lost everything in a post-apocalyptical world without humans. Heroes and dictators that turned to hobos or beggars, or YKK where characters manage to live comfy lives while witnessing humanity going extinct. I delve into fiction to experience that shit. Wish fulfillment is but a short daydream to me, something you are casually thinking of when you are bored while sitting in a subway. Nothing I would ever want to read a story about or create myself. It's too personal anyway, my wished don't even align with the shit the MCs of such stories want (harems, money, fame, being a shitty noble etc.).
>Casshern Sins
Holy FRICKING based. They don't make anime like they used to, there's a lot of slop out there now-and that one goes damn hard.
And you couldn't do that with a Cinemaphile IP, because it is quite literally an edgy, bleak reimagining for a much more upbeat franchise.
It helps that CS is not just the original Tatsunoko show but edgy. It actually knows how to create atmosphere and how to use digital coloring to its advantage.
Yeah. On top of that I think that the Japanese are just pretty good at creating moody atmospheres. I can honestly not imagine a cartoon like this. It's not edgy and there is no gore spam or anything like this, it's just silent and sad and the characters travel around and witness the beauty of the few survivors who are singing without audiences or devoting their life to memorial they're erecting for the lost and trying to search for a purpose and make the best out of it.
Personally I love Ramondelli comics for their dark and heavy atmosphere, but they are a bit different and particular so I don't think that they appeal to most.
>it is quite literally an edgy, bleak reimagining for a much more upbeat franchise.
The only upbeat thing about the OG Casshern was the opening...
Clarence had stories of failure. Chad completely biffing the marathon stands out, but there were a handful of episodes where things just didn’t work out.
Sauce for quote?
Fumi Yoshinaga
>implying most nip shit isn’t built on escapism
>what is isekai
>what is harem anime
>what is SOL shit
have a nice day
There are thousands of other series women can read instead of that garbage, it’s not the same for the comic industry.
why don't you just look at something other than capeshit genius, old and new? It feels like you have to spoon feed people more every year, I miss when people actually went exploring for stuff they liked
Unfortunately most comic archival sites suck dick and make it a lot harder (or outright impossible) to search for shit I like compared to their manga counterparts.
sounds like more excuses just to be lazy, hell even a site like read comicsonlines ad issue isn't even that bad.
RCO sucks dick for searching for new comics to read, imagine only offering fricking genre as your only search parameter.
None of these comic sites have a decent tagging system, and don't fricking sit here and try to tell me that LoCBG's tags are good.
It's ironic that despite being very much a boys' adventure show, Venture Bros unironically has some the best written female characters out there.
And it really was just as simple as "take femme fatale/sexy gf fantasy stereotype, give her a few moments of self-awareness, actual consequences that impact the story and the capacity to both learn from old mistakes and adapt to changing circumstances"
>It's ironic that despite being very much a boys' adventure show, Venture Bros unironically has some the best written female characters out there.
imo you have to be ok with being a loser and writing losers to write women well. You have to be the guy that strikes out with women and stays there friend to really learn about women so you can get the material to write them with. You have to be able to love them while failing and not be able to have them.
If you only ever get close to women that you date or are in your family, you're only going to learn how like 3 or 4 women work.
>strikes out
Or just actually interact with them on a regular basis, have a sister you can put up with or some aunts you're familiar with.
The first thing I ever learned about how women act around other women, is that however bad "the patriarchy" is rumoured to be it doesn't hold a goddamn handle to how spiteful, petty and backbiting women are to each other in different social positions.
That is also true, yeah. The hallmark of a good character is, first and foremost, that they seem like a person and have more nuance to them than just I'M GAY AND I'M PROUD OF IT! or I'M THE SEXY UNTRUSTWORTHY ONE YOU TRUST ANYWAY BECAUSE I'M THE BEST AT THE SEX
Ironically a character initially described to me as an epitome of the latter, Medb from Slaine, turned out to be a decent-not REALLY well written-but decent character in her own right. Yes, she's a seductive and treacherous witch but she's also a sincere and devout practitioner of the dark version of the Celtic faith to the extent she's entirely loyal to her withered sorcerer master even thought it's not clear if they even have a sexual relationship. Her desire to be sacrificed as the bride of a 9-dimensional god comes from a place of genuine disgust with the natural order-and to be fair, the comic doesn't shy away from depicting it as grotesque and savage even though Pat Mills (a dude) also stans very hard for Wiccan beliefs. She articulates coherent views on life-even if they're extremely negative-and demonstrates tenacity in the face of adversity, negotiating with alien overlords even as she's legitimately offended they found her sacrifice in their name meaningless.
It's almost unintentional, but she feels like more of a character than most capeshit villainesses.
>the patriarchy
lol, the patriarchy. Could just as well be jesus or teh devil. Most women dont even mean specific men when they use that term. Its just a catch all. Women that use that word are very much like uncle rukas talking about how great the white man is, and how horrible black people are as they are surrounded by black friends.
>like uncle ruckas talking about how great the white man is
Exactly. You get it. Don't forget that not so long ago, Britney Spears was seen as an icon for female empowerment as much as fapbait when she was just starting out.
Hollywood/the big record labels in general aren't pushing socjus hard because they have coherent and sensible ideas for how to implement it, they're pushing it so hard because they want you to forget about what happened to all those child stars from yesteryear.
Be fair, it's not exactly uncommon among guys either. Cinemaphile exists. It's just that, well-women don't tend to form their own nerd circles instead of mingle with men. Not saying it doesn't happen, but it's the trend for them to feel safer discussing it outside of clout being a factor.
At my uni for example, dudes were talking about FF13 while I once heard girls talking about Attack on Titan.
My sister is a jobless loser who unironically has lived in our parents basement for 6 years and has no contact with friends and almost no contact with family save for special occasions like Christmas.
>>If you only ever get close to women that you date or are in your family, you're only going to learn how like 3 or 4 women work.
Isn't it normal in the US to befriend the opposite gender as kids and teens? It was always 50/50 here. We always hung out with girls and boys and played video games, LARPed or did some shit outside, there was never any gender separation. That might only happen in the 30s, when a lot of people get married.
>Isn't it normal in the US to befriend the opposite gender as kids
not to any great degree. Kids tend to self isolate.
And even with the exceptions, little girls are not women, nor are little boys men. Learning about children will not tell you everything you need to know about adults.
Thats part of how adults become pedos. They understand other children, they dont understand women their own age.
The problem is that most stories with women have less female characters so they are mostly tokens and written as "the woman". No matter whether what you associate with femininity and regardless of whether they are written by old men or female feminists those characters are always shit because they are written as the epitome of a gender and not as a character like the males.
From my experience women are way more into evil and morally grey or complex characters than men and comics mostly have this good vs evil narrative going on. Not as much anymore, but you cannot wash a stigma away that easily.
If you look at the characters women love and draw you rarely ever see any classic heroes or motherly female paragons of virtue. It's villains, hero/villain ships, morally grey or corrupt protagonists, liars, male yandere, emotionally unstable dudes or shady hot men. For every female fanart of Wonder Woman you get 300 fanarts of Noi (Dorohedoro) or Revy and 1000 artworks for Starscream, General Grievous or Sephiroth.
I feel that's an unfair judgement. Men can enjoy morally grey/evil characters too, as long as they're sufficiently charismatic. Look at how many Doomgays there are outside of Cinemaphile, there's literally guy calling himself MF DOOM. You seen any MC Richards around lately?
No, of course not. Because the problem is Reed Richards is an allegedly heroic, nominally at least somewhat charismatic character written like a unlikeable, impulsive know-it-all frickwit. And even characters like Superman have to be written around things like certain writers having them spend 2 fricking years not bothering to rescue their son from the Crime Syndicate just because Bendis decided to be a big baby.
>Men can enjoy morally grey/evil characters too, as long as they're sufficiently charismatic. Look at how many Doomgays there are outside of Cinemaphile, there's literally guy calling himself MF DOOM.
I think there's a difference in how men and women enjoy villains and morally grey characters. A guy can enjoy someone like Doom or Starscream on the terms in which the story presents them, as a villain, while the girls who obsess over characters like that tend to have them as a husbando, and see them in terms of "I can fix him", or blaming all of their flaws or actions on other people. Magneto tends to be a popular villain husbando because the narrative of the source material literally shifted to fit this kind of take on him.
I'm going to be perfectly honest. I can't judge the women liking bad boys thing too harshly because all my Cinemaphile waifus-Ultimate Hela, Umar, Morgan le Fay, Superwoman, Lyssa Drak, Bet Jo'gie (good luck remember where this one's from), Selene Gallio-are all the baddest of bad b***hes.
No posers like Emma Frost that get coddled by their writers and given halfassed redemption retcons or preferential treatment despite being unlikeable b***hes. I like BAD b***hes that are completely upfront about being absolutely terrible. And I'm fully aware this isn't typical of Cinemaphile because I see a shitton of threads trying to justify, say, Azula when I'm not like that. Evil women just get me hard.
>Magneto tends to be a popular villain husbando
...is he still? I know there's some pretty racey fanfic about the movie version of him and Charles but I feel that's fallen off of late.
It's harsh to say, but I think the atom bomb really fired some imaginations about what a postapocalyptic future would look like. The lingering nationalism and how hard it got shut down by the new government probably didn't help.
God, if I have to listen to a woman defend Char again it'll be too soon.
FRICK SPACERS, FRICK MANIFEST SPACE DESTINY AND FRICK ZEON
>I'm going to be perfectly honest. I can't judge the women liking bad boys thing too harshly because all my Cinemaphile waifus-Ultimate Hela, Umar, Morgan le Fay, Superwoman, Lyssa Drak, Bet Jo'gie (good luck remember where this one's from), Selene Gallio-are all the baddest of bad b***hes.
The question here is whether you accept them as they are or if you think you could fix and redeem them. If you're happy with them as evil as they are, good for you. Extra respect for Lyssa Drak being on your list, and for being right about Emma Frost.
>If you're happy with them as evil as they are, good for you.
Oh yeah, definitely this.
In my fantasies there is no redemption story. There's just me ruling the world with some irredeemable sexy monster, sometimes with her own throne, sometimes while she's wearing a collar and leash. Hell, sometimes both.
But Cinemaphile is femdom central so I'm aware my views are controversial and alien here, so moving on-I've noticed that while this is much more focused on characters like Spinel and Azula who have youth as a factor too, in the wider comics community there is a tendency among both writers and fans to try to look past the more villainous parts of Emma's history and try to reimagine her as both a victim and a girlboss.
They don't want to read stories about Emma Frost, White Queen of the Hellfire Club, they've projected this idea of a tragic but ruthless figure, warped the character's actual history to suit that image and then wonder why people complain about comic continuities being worse than manga.
Yeah, that's very true. See: A lot of fanfiction Ron Weasleys, and hell a lot of Ginnys too.
I think it comes down to the idea of how you look at adversity. Women-not all, but a lot of them-frame adversity in terms of social standing. You've "won" when you've "won the argument" so naturally someone who's "wrong" has to have never deserved to win at all.
Men on the other hand see "winning" as "proving you've overcome what the other guy can't" and that's how you get shit like people pointing at even the Reverse Flash and going "That guy's FRICKED UP but you know what? He's a REAL VILLAIN. A real, hardcore crazy motherfricker!"
Because whatever your feelings about the Flash as a character, merely surviving the Reverse Flash is a HELL of an achievement.
>redemption story
imo redemption love stories are just validation fantasies. If the bad guy turns good for your little self insert fanfic, that says something about you. It validates who you are that what you are was able to change the bad person.
Its also why stuff like twilght was popular. The main girl being useless was part of the point. It would be very validating to be that bland and still be able to get the attention of two supposedly sexy powerful monster guys.
This is why I hate the "fix them" meme. If I like a villain I like him or her the way they are. Taking the part away that defines them erases the characters themselves and only leaves a shell that bears the same name and colors.
>This is why I hate the "fix them" meme. If I like a villain I like him or her the way they are. Taking the part away that defines them erases the characters themselves and only leaves a shell that bears the same name and colors.
I dont think people into fix them validation fantasies assume that a person is just a collection of actions. They probably see people as having a core self and that the evil self is still their, just restraining itself out of love for whoever the shipper has set them up with, be it a self insert or some other character.
What I've noticed on the subject of villains is that men see their villains as equal but opposites to overcome as a process of self-improvement. There's a degree of respect usually even if the villain is a completely inhuman sack of shit.
When women make a villain who they don't want to frick, it tends to be the most pathetic and repugnant butthole known to humanity. Overcoming them is not a part of self-improvement, it's proving you're already great.
>I can fix him
I dont think this is female specific, just that maybe men have less to work with. There are just not many attractive and well written evil women in cartoons and comics that also have enough carrots dangled for redemption. Of those that are, they are usually fan favorites.
Harley Quinn, Demona, blackarachnia fit that bill, and Im sure many boys crushed on them and secretly wanted to see them redeemed, even though spiderboobs was the only one to be redeemed. I think the writers even know this as both Harley Quinn and Demona had redemption dangled in their face and then snatched away.
I guess HQ eventually got redeemed but it was a version of the character many dont like.
I guess that opens up the question of why fiction has so much trouble producing women like this vs men like this.
>If you look at the characters women love and draw you rarely ever see any classic heroes or motherly female paragons of virtue. It's villains, hero/villain ships, morally grey or corrupt protagonists, liars, male yandere, emotionally unstable dudes or shady hot men. For every female fanart of Wonder Woman you get 300 fanarts of Noi (Dorohedoro) or Revy and 1000 artworks for Starscream, General Grievous or Sephiroth.
It makes you wonder why autistic or nerdy women are like this. Is it just that there are more male characters like this? Because nerdy men like evil women too. Most of the popular women from cartoons in the 90s were technically badguys.
Some say its nerdy women like horror and true crime because it reflects the fear that women feel in real life. Observing women fans though, I kind of think that is bullshit. They have an obsessive or fascination with it. A good example is Ayn Rand who, like many nerdy women, idolized a murderer and used him as part of the template for the men in her books.
I think it's much simpler tbqh. Intentionally or not, east or west-writers tend to be better at writing charismatic villains more than they are charismatic heroes. And when that trend is bucked you often end up with an anti-hero.
I'm not saying it's impossible. Many women like Optimus Prime in my experience, even when they aren't writing deranged fanfiction about him. But it IS harder and less intuitive, and look no further for evidence than the fact that in a damn decade writers have struggled to make an appealing version of Superman to general audiences. But I've heard complimentary things about say-Yugo from Wakfu even though his own show's quality goes off a cliff quickly. It's just that the lizard brain "aggression and impulsive ruthlessness=confidence, competence and power" instinct is too deeply ingrained, and it's less intuitive to find some nice guy doing his job and knowing his place as interesting as the elegantly dangerous lord of the night.
>charismatic villains
I dont know if that is it. I guess some of them might have a preference for the charismatic villain. But you also see them lust after the bad guy losers. The frick ups. The awkward villain that will get a redemption ark later.
they also like the long haired feminine silent badguy, who is neither manly or charismatic.
really, the only thing you see common with all these characters is that they are evil in the narrative.
Yeah this. I think villains tend to be more interesting since the heroes often lack the fanaticism that would make them engaging.
Classic comparison is the villain that radicalizes and becomes a despot to create a better world VS the hero that cannot even kill a murderer because killing is bad. It's surely more complicated in real life, but in fiction the first will always be more interesting to follow and observe than the latter. Since the hero has to stay flawless you know what he will do before you read the story and there are never any twists or threats that would force him to second-guess his actions and change, or rarely. And whenever the hero is in danger of committing a crime for the greater good luck itself will safe him. One of the most enraging tropes IMO is when the hero abstains from killing a villain that should be killed but luck is doing it for him by letting the villain stumble and fall or kill himself or something. Compare that to the villain that conquers a planet or hides his dark side from the others to keep things going. It's more multifaced and interesting to watch that guy struggling and doing his thing than MC saving the status quo every day.
It doesn't help that a lot of Cinemaphile talk tends to get a bit circular like "Batman DOESN'T KILL the Joker because he has to believe in people!" while overlooking the hundreds at this point that have died because of him, or that-to a degree moreso than anime/weebshit in general at least-in capeshit your combat performance directly scales with your popularity. So while Cinemaphile will b***h that you're supposed to accept at face value that a clown with a poisoned squirt flower can regularly thwart the World's Greatest Detective, the same man who put a bullet in Darkseid, someone attached to idea of the story's conflict maintaining internal consistency may get upset about this drugged out clown managing to dunk on Superman.
It doesn't help that DC USED to treat the Joker as a shitstain when it comes to the higher order supervillains, but now is so desperate for Batman money will present you the Batman Who Laughs at face value.
Making Batman's refusal to kill the Joker look even stupider, when the idea that Batman with the Joker's insanity is a multiversal threat is presented proudly to the reader with a straight face.
Also exhibit B: Dr. Horrible.
This hasnt been my expereince. Women dont seem to like all powerful villains.
Take harry potter for example. Im pretty sure there are more self insert romance fanfics written for drako and snape than voldamort And its not just because of voldy being ugly.
Sexuality probably plays a role. It's quite easy to like a character if you are attracted to them and giving them flaws or evil traits spices the personalities up and might even make them more relatable. A lot of women are also into shipping and shipping works better if there is some interesting chemistry and this always works better if the characters aren't both just lovely goody two-shoes. It's more interesting to them to ship Griffith and Guts or Optimus and Megatron and the likes who have similarities or once shared the same goals but also fight and punch each other.
Yeah, I was surprised how many female Punisher fans there are.
What?
Whats their take?
I find that a lot of lesbians sincerely love morally complex male characters. I don't know if its a self-insert thing or something like that, but they genuinely love them.
The industry understands women even less than Cinemaphile does.
They think men are all sweaty obese virgins so their content for men can't even accidentally attract a female audience the way manga does, and their comics for women suck ass and nobody wants to read them regardless of gender.
the comic scene is crawling with femoids, they just avoid the corpo side like the plague and are all reading and writing torture porn and mech fights on Tapas and such. Right now the most read comic from DC is just them finding some fujo on twitter, paying her to do whatever she wants as long as Batman is in it sometimes, and putting that shit on Webtoons.
>The industry understands women even less than Cinemaphile does.
>they just avoid the corpo side like the plague and are all reading and writing torture porn and mech fights on Tapas and such
Truest post in all of Cinemaphile.
No but that's the thing-even losers, even frickups and shitheads like Starscream can have a sort of appeal. Charisma that's unconventional, not just the tin tyrant striding around or the elegant vampire lord but someone dishelleved but determined you just want to hold and protect.
Look, how do I explain this? It's like JINX from Arcane/League of Legends, but for ladies. You want to hug Jinx and tell her everything's alright? Well, some people want to hug Starscream. Or Shigaraki. Or Frieza.
>the only thing
Again, I would say it's their version of goth gfs. It's like how Raven is a more popular pick than, say, Power Girl is here. Except that's kind of a bad example because Power Girl has almost never been written as a complete paragon of justice.
Women are absolutely obsessed with shipping manga characters and other relationship related stuff.
And a shitload of them are into all kinds of weirdo gay things.
This is a totally different market compared to any US comics, which are fundamentally about a muscle guy punching another muscle guy.
>which are fundamentally about a muscle guy punching another muscle guy.
Women love that too! Golden Kamuy, Jojo and Transformers are exactly this but they are among the most popular series among women. GK alone has 5000+ doujinshi, not talking about fanart. Jojo has more and TF has too much fanart to save in a lifetime.
The huge question here is how these three examples differ from the other guys-punching-guys comics. I am not sure. Maybe the designs are just sexier or the characters are written with more flaws and relatable traits or something.
If you think GK is just about guys punching each other you’re a fricking moron
>absolutely obsessed with shipping manga characters and other relationship related stuff.
So are guys. They are absolutely obsessed with who is best grill and who their self-insert, or that character they hate, get to smash and not.
Stop, you're not allowed to point out the extremely obvious fact that this website is lousy with guys who constantly talk about which characters they like together.
There's a lot of positive sexytimes stuff too, but yes, a lot of dubcon or rape.
You also have to understand that women have been part of the otaku culture since the 2000s. Watching that edgy anime or reading that bloody manga or playing that dark jrpg or visual novel to rake your mind away from the fact that you have no friends at school has been common amongst girls for years.
>You also have to understand that women have been part of the otaku culture since the 2000s
Id argue since the 80s. Im sure some watched robotech. It was one of the first if not the first saturday morning cartoon to have love triangles.
but yeah, toonami was when the rocket really lit and went off
>Id argue since the 80s. Im sure some watched robotech. It was one of the first if not the first saturday morning cartoon to have love triangles.
By otaku culture I am thinking of course about ways of engage with it, like forums and accessibility to niche stuff , both of which solidified in the 2000s tbh
American women have been scanlating manga since the 80s and there were loads of Japanese women selling at comiket during that time as well. Male otaku tried to push them out by selling e-girlcon and more sexually explicit content.
Two reasons:
1. Women are not as hobby oriented as men. Women rarely take interest in something unless it can be used as an excuse for socialization.
2. Unlike manga, there aren´t many comic books aimed at women.
maybe cause you like capeshit?
I was always an Alt and manga person, and a lot of women I knew read similar western comics, JTHM, Lenore, the maxx, transmetropolitan, zero girl, scott pilgrim, sandman etc etc
and like you said theyre in the industry too
and most of them ironically draw female characters in ways that activate neurons and not for ESG points
Because shojo has stuff like Natsume and the book of friends that is both actually good and satisfies a woman's needs and then you have josei stuff that sometimes feels like it came from and underground magazine or it's indie when in fact it gets published in a pretty accessible japanese magazine.
There are rarely comics that are about deeper feelings.
I think this is the main reason.
Even for the Transformer stuff that anons have mentioned I noticed that most of the women I have seen got into it because of the comics, where the most of the characters are struggling from war trauma and mental issues or happen to be former war criminals that are now struggling to adapt to a peaceful life they feel alienated in. Wacky behavior works wonders as well, but the TF comics had that too and most series that are popular among women seem to feature a lot of crazy characters with wacky or bizarre personality traits if it's not mental issues. If characters are too streamlined they don't seem to gain much interest.
I assume that maybe women tend to be more attracted to stories and characters they can either relate to (which only works for characters with flaws, since real humans are multi-faced and flawed) or stories that focus the emotional aspects. Maybe they are usually more into internal conflicts that accompany outside ones but disinterested in stories that only deal with the latter. Think Netflix "anime" are a good example for the latter. Pretty sure that they have 0 female fans and not more than a handful of male fans either for how devoid of personality the characters are. They are just roles without a soul IMO.
It you're a DC fan you've seen a ton of girl DC fans online, especially in regards to Batman/Teen Titans/Young Justice/ Justice League international
There's more fanart of Young Justice from girls under the age of 25 than most other DC characters. you go on Tik Tok and see teen girls cosplaying as Spoiler/Stephanie Brown. It's surprising that there's a continuous new crop of teen girl Batfamily fans considering how little DC merchandises them outside of comics besides Dick/Jason/Damian and Babs.
Most of those fans aren't actually invested in the characters unless they're from shows, they're invested in putting on the costumes.
>aren't actually invested in the characters unless they're from shows, they're invested in putting on the costumes.
But they talk about the character's histories and character dynamics all the time. They do like the characters and want to talk more about them.
What's the point of continuing the discussion when the answer has already been given? If you still have doubts next time you see a woman reading/buying manga at your comicsop just ask her.
I bought all the available Astro Bots comics from Furman yesterday and not even dudebro gays want to discuss that series, I feel betrayed. It's fricking good so far IMO, more people should give it a read.
Looks cool.
>Why are girls into comics so rare?
They get bullied by other girls for liking weird things. Unless they have autism or some other type of social impairment, the urge to go with the herd is usually too strong and they align their views and interests with whatever the other girls are doing.
If you don't like capeshit, you're not going to like American comics.
I started reading comics when they added more gay boys. I like manga for the yaoi and comics don't seem to have as much of that.
this has never happened, literally ever. homosexual
>this has never happened, literally ever. homosexual
obviously. Its probably been exaggerated to high light how the women that had this happen felt about it.
It FELT like 20 guys were looking at her. it FELT like 5 guys took photos. IRL it was probably 5 guys in the whole shop with one creepy guy looking at her, and one guy had his phone out and she assumed he took a photo of her.
ok, can you go back to ledit now?
it's like you have no idea what that frame is even from
>guy makes Rick and Morty
>it's a huge risk. manages to convince dude friends to join in, but women stick to what's already successful
>show comes out and is a huge hit
>women immediately demand to be let in
How do I write a comic with a female OP that appeals to girls/women? And without just inserting a bunch of cute boys
>How do I write a comic with a female OP that appeals to girls/women? And without just appealing to girls/women
>overlord
Holy shit, I didn’t know women had such shit taste, even for isekai
>How do I write a comic with a female OP that appeals to girls/women?
Just make them batshit insane, with a """dark past""" and cute, I don't know why westeners don't get this , when harley queen and jinx are proof western girls really like to self insert into these characters, but somehow lefties think is mysoginistic
The problem is that the few people that are often in charge of writing cartoon or movie plots believe that they are speaking for the majority but they don't.
Nobody likes super safe, sanitized shit, not even kids. Fiction exists so that you can delve into a crazy adventure with crazy characters and experience crazy shit that you wouldn't be able and probably wouldn't even want to experience in real life. People rarely love experience actual wars, but playing war is really a lot of fun. The few sheltered wealthy LA women that get a mental breakdown if they see a drip of blood in a cartoon or feel oppressed if the MC isn't a fat lesbian with panic attacks aren't normal people, they aren't even lesbians or anything and they don't know what people want from fiction because they've spent their childhood watching sanitized shit for toddlers their mothers reviewed before.
>The few sheltered wealthy LA women that get a mental breakdown if they see a drip of blood in a cartoon or feel oppressed if the MC isn't a fat lesbian with panic attacks aren't normal people, they aren't even lesbians or anything and they don't know what people want from fiction because they've spent their childhood watching sanitized shit for toddlers their mothers reviewed before.
Ive always wondered why women dont speak up against women like that.
Like there are women who like sexy women in their entertainment. Like Felica and Morrigan from darkstalkers have a ton of female fans. But if they were to put out a comic or manga or figure of either and some LA dipshit went on twitter and complained about how Felica is gross and is for the male gaze, those female fans would remain silent.
Maybe male fans could learn from them, but female nerds seem to disengage by default if things look like they are getting heated. They will not defend what they like.
I think in general most people disengage from shit like that and the people who engage are usually a vocal minority. Like nobody wants to get involved because they either don't care THAT much or don't want to be seen a loud fat nerd even if they do. Then by the end of it usually devolves into such an insufferable shitflinging match that you feel that not getting involved was the right move.
>I think in general most people disengage from shit like that and the people who engage are usually a vocal minority. Like nobody wants to get involved because they either don't care THAT much or don't want to be seen a loud fat nerd even if they do. Then by the end of it usually devolves into such an insufferable shitflinging match that you feel that not getting involved was the right move.
I dont know. If that was true, why would a specific group of women always be the vocal angry ones and then a specific group of men always be the ones to counter them?
And it does impact them, eventually. Like they went back and changed the flame toys windblade to appease the twittter complainers. That decentivized flame toys from making additional idw characters, which tend to be the favorites of female readers.
Because it doesn't impact them really, like few will truly care or notice if their hobby takes a turn for the worse and most will be like "well I guess I'm just not reading this comic anymore" It's always the same group because hyper involved nerds are the only ones who really care
>ike they went back and changed the flame toys windblade to appease the twittter complainers. That decentivized flame toys from making additional idw characters, which tend to be the favorites of female readers.
The thing is you're talking about a niche in a niche. Not that many people buy figures, less buy model kits, and there's less of a cross section of comic reading women who buy model kits.
>Ive always wondered why women dont speak up against women like that.
Because women(and for that matter, people in general) don't see themselves as a homogenous group that need to speak for others. People who outcry something are exceptions, but otherwise most people don't think they need to speak against something
>Because women(and for that matter, people in general) don't see themselves as a homogenous group that need to speak for others. People who outcry something are exceptions, but otherwise most people don't think they need to speak against something
why not speak out for themselves? Some women do like sexy or cute women in entertainment. They seem to cosplay them and collect their merch. And yet they are silent and then we get less of it each year because of people who screech about it on twitter.
The men who screech bag are probably not helping the cause because companies dont care if they upset men if they think they are protecting women.
It's simple.
>man wants more cheesecake, of which he already receives a regular portion
>woman is occasionally provided approximately one (1) female-oriented scrap of beefcake, and a lot of times it's hidden in a trashbag
>woman is disinclined to endorse serving the man additional good food
is occasionally provided approximately one (1) female-oriented scrap of beefcake, and a lot of times it's hidden in a trashbag
I think part of the problem is that men dont really know what women want. Probably because women either dont know what they want because of low sexual concordance, or because men picked on them for it 1 time when they were 14 and they decided to never ever ever ever to mention it in front of men again. Ever.
So men are ignorant of what women want for beefcake and then they dont make it.
Because its not as simple as putting fit or healthy men in fiction. You can't balance putting in batgirls with big ole jiggly breasts by putting bouncy bat cheeks on batman. Sure some women like it, but it wont be as many men that like the batgirl booba.
Male creative teams are lucky to even stumble into it. Like making an awkward nerdy scarecrow that lights some pants on fire. The men probably had no idea any women would watch the show and like that.
>Turning Red scene
Did anyone else identify with this scene?
It is a problem, yes, though I think it's not that hard to solve the fanservice mystery. If Nightwing is okay to draw sexily, it's okay to draw other characters that way too. Sexy men are a shield for cheesecake because fewer people complain and they offer the defense of equality.
The Batbooks should be a reference regardless as they seem to have lucked into formulae women like; it's well known that they're vastly more popular with women than any other corner of capeshit.
>The Batbooks should be a reference regardless as they seem to have lucked into formulae women like;
yes, but I think the success is because most of the bat men and boys are angsty difficult twats and less because some versions of nightwing have big shoulders and a small waist.
Miguel O'Hara would probably be half as popular if it wasn't for his angst and rage and coldness. Not everyone is going to show up to fangirl a character just because of shoulders and a butt. They need that person to act nuts
There is a lot of thirsting over the three middle batboys. But yes, looks alone won't do it. The bats have the advantage of their narrative region focusing heavily on personal traumas and angst, and those are always better when the person experiencing them is hot. It's your basic
>looks good
>has feelings
good
>>has feelings
has anyone done a joke comic where a woman is looking for something to schlick to and she gets to like some bat fanfic and is like
"oh yeah, fight that crime, you broken piece of shit. Hmmm punch those guys."
Basically, all that happens is that things continue to spiral down the drain and no does anything while the property continues to go to shit and the few people who cared about what they originally liked about the property look elsewhere for their fix.
Weird how this mainly seems to keep happening to western properties.
Probably because when some annoying sheltered LA moron does their thing and b***hes about some eastern property, people just tell them to frick off.
They get told to frick off because the women who read it don't put up with another woman telling them they're not allowed to enjoy Gojo or Bakudeku or whatever.
>They get told to frick off because the women who read it don't put up with another woman telling them they're not allowed to enjoy Gojo or Bakudeku or whatever.
I wonder if japanese fans are more or less likely to do this with other fans in japan. If maybe they become more bold with Americans because they know the airline ticket required for vengeance protects them and there will never be social fall out for telling an american to frick off.
It helps that the manga audience in general is international, so when a dumb American butthole starts mouthing off they'll catch shit not just from the Anglosphere, but from English speakers all over the world of all races and ethnicities.
A good example of this was when Gerry Conway was whining about "sexualization in manga" on Twitter and got dogpiled by people from all over for being a moron.
>another woman telling them they're not allowed to enjoy Gojo or Bakudeku or whatever.
Women who think Bakudeku is for male enjoyment exist? I've never seen a single westoid non-genderspecial male who likes them even as friends.
I think the b***hing about Bakudeku is less due to "gay fetishization" or whatever and more the typical "YOU SICK FRICK, THAT DRAWING IS ONLY 16 YEARS OLD" autism that you see from western fujos since they tend to be braindead Discord babies.
"Won't somebody think of the fictional teenagers?!?"
lol this is why I only talk with non-american fujos, american fandom fujos can't even handle a bit of dubcon.
Eh, that's still a small minority that's not welcome in other fandom spaces. Obviously most fujos don't have an issue with it; if they did, there wouldn't be a river of teenage boy porn on ao3.
When someone in your demographic speaks contrary to you, do you feel the need to spend time and speak out? A lot of people do not have the time or energy to fight online.
>When someone in your demographic speaks contrary to you, do you feel the need to spend time and speak out?
I did for 20 years. Its only recently that I stopped.
>I did for 20 years. Its only recently that I stopped.
bro that's the lifetime of some of these girls online. you wasted a lifetime worth of time. Not everyone has time as valueless as you.
>Not everyone has time as valueless as you.
no, thats the thing. Everyone does. No one on this board is special. No one in most of these fandoms is special. All of our time is useless. We go do equally useless things. You posting on Cinemaphile proves that.
Depending something you like is no more useless than going on Cinemaphile to talk about whatever stupid show you like that day. No one here is debating defending a cartoon they like and developing a cure for cancer.
>Not everyone has time as valueless as you.
Saying this on Cinemaphile should result in an instaban.
>>Not everyone has time as valueless as you.
>Saying this on Cinemaphile should result in an instaban.
>My time is so much more important than yours, baka!
>proceeds to waist an evening arguing in a Steven Universe thread and a thread where people post pictures of Nightwings butt
Tell us more about this extremely patrician nightbutt thread.
>Ive always wondered why women dont speak up against women like that.
They lack any type of accountability.
>They lack any type of accountability.
i think it is more likely that women hate conflict and would watch their favorite property be set on fire before saying anything to a hot headed woman or man
Girls are significantly more prone to falling in/being bullied into conformity through peer pressure from other girls/women.
>Girls are significantly more prone to falling in/being bullied into conformity through peer pressure from other girls/women.
I don't know if they are more prone, or that it bothers them more when it happens. Testosterone counters feelings of anxiety and makes people less conflict or risk adverse.
Women are probably actually bullied less. It just hurts more when it happens.
Because they don’t care. For every shrieking themby in the American animation industry there’s practically inumerable other positive communities they can engage with instead. If western animation community is fricked there’s anime, mobage games, danmei, manga, K-pop, Thai gay drama shows, japanaese theater, etc. They don’t want to associate with people who are annoying and move on. It’s why so many women just find other niche interests to be involved with.
Most fans (not just women) who are active in their fandoms by drawing art and such are afraid of losing everything they have worked for if they get cancelled or dogpiled. They talk about this in discords or on image boards, but not twitter. It can take years till you get 1000+ followers if you work and don't have time to make more than one artwork per month and till you build up connections with other fans that like the same series and characters as you that you can talk with. But social media is full of haters and many of them have aggressive followers that won't second-guess what they say, so most fans are unwilling to risk things by critisizing them and getting a call out from a group that pretends they were whateverphobic or pedo to get them cancelled. Everybody would block and attack them because, this is how social media dynamics work.
t. someone that draws as well that hates these frickers like this but I am unwilling to be dragged into endless drama and wars, Work is 10 hours of stress (including commute), I want to come home and have fun instead. I cannot win against some LA star with 400k fans that pretends to be an oppressed autistic lesbian trans back latinx.
Because the government and media doesn't back them.
There's probably no equivalent of shoujo, josei, and yuri market within western comic industry. They just think producing capeshit would make them stay afloat forever. Though, reading at this thread, it's interesting to know some girls are into Transformers and other robot shits.
>Why are girls into comics so rare?
They have to be severely autistic
Lmao
Have you ever seen grown up guys that are into comics? There are surely normal dudes and normal women who are into them, but the chance that you meet an autist is very high and this isn't just a women thing. The adult women I see in the store SEEM normal to me, the guys are often exactly how you imagine an autistic "akschually" sperg to look like. Don't think there is much of a difference though, I just feel like autistic girls can hide it better.
>I just feel like autistic girls can hide it better.
This, this is why is harder to diagnose autistic girls....
Why do you care?
Don’t make me post Shortpacked comics
I feel like women are decently into webcomics. Webtoons tend to attract the more average audience, but others tend to follow ones hosted on the actual site. There's probably something of a generational gap too, usually between Xers and older millennials with younger millennials and zoomers.
god I hate this thread
Spotted the phone gay
not a phonegay, just hate gays like you
we deliberately hide from you
most cape shit male readers are entitled lil shits who just want a bang maid and have no respect for personal boundaries or personal hygiene.
Transanon…
most women that would be into "comics" are reading manga/korean webtoons/watching vtubers. most women do not care for western comic books sorry
I think they're just not impressed with what superhero comics are offering them. There are webtoons with shitloads of readers that are by western creators too.
I saw some autistic looking girl who seem like a teenager going though comics yesterday
No melodrama with pretty boys to rub their inner /ss/ desires, no wait I mean motherly instincts.
Find and reading comics is difficult. There are dozens of TPBs of the main series that come out every month and go nowhere along, with dozens of spin-offs.
Manga releases are straight forward with books every six months, at least in the West.
Eh, I've seen a few in my LCS. But then, it is in a college town.
I been going to comic shops my whole life, they're pretty quiet and boring like most stores honestly no one talks to anyone besides workers talking to each other.
Same here.
Yeah I mean you get some shops that play like shitty music and have people playing games together or like shitty janky comic store that cover super dark and everything overprice cuz nothing changed since the 90's and dude who work there is like old fart or something. Comic shops can be peaceful place though when no shitty music, it has nice lighting and every organize. That's biggest problem with comic shops is lot even nice ones are organized which makes digging a pain in the ass.
I went to nice shop the other day but everything was so unorganized I give up even looking, like fricking hell it's comic shop that's one thing you gotta do.
>I went to nice shop the other day but everything was so unorganized I give up even looking, like fricking hell it's comic shop that's one thing you gotta do.
I think they do that partly becaue of laziness and because they know you will find other shit you want while digging for something specific. So you will create a bigger pile.
The worst are shops like this, that also want to look up prices at checkout. Like, wtf dude, organize your shit if you want me to pay max ebay price. Digging is for dollar boxes
True but when I was a kid wasn't like this usually.
What comic stores you frickers go to? All comic shops I go in no one ask shit to anyone no matter the gender unless it's ''HOW MAY I HELP YOU?''
Same here in Germany. I assume that all those posts people are discussing about are made by Americans because I made the same experiences in other European countries and Serbia. That nobody is asking you shit I mean unless you are looking like you're searching for something. And then it's only that one question. Never saw customers talk to the comic sales persons either besides some short polite phrases maybe.
I'm American that made that post.
Life long comic fan, been buying comics since I was 4 years old and couldn't read them, get them to joy the art and my experience has been extremely normal outside of going to a few crappy shops but besides inside of shop sucking it was like anywhere else and maybe had chat few times like when I'm buying stuff I do remember as a kid one guy give me a bunch of free issues.
Maybe it's some city thing or something. Our comic corners (usually the basement of manga stores) are mostly devoid of people and you have to talk to the employee since many of the US stuff is rare here and has to be ordered first so you would assume that dialogues would be more common but honestly I never know what to say and I guess that everybody else feels the same.
My personal theory is that women need media to be easy and cheap. That's why "women are into Netflix, men are into pirating (and collecting)" is a thing. Piracy is cheap but it can be difficult for women, but speak to female comic 'fans' on Twitter, and they will most likely go on one of those online reader piracy sites. Men pirate, but also spending money to complete collections is a fan virtue for men, while 'creative' works are a fan virtue for women.
My info is a little out of date since I got into comics around 2011, but a lot of women around me got "into" comics through what were essentially piracy recap sites like scans_daily which had a lot of shipping focused so they, and I, liked it.
While women are way more likely to be technologically illiterate half of all pirates I knew in the late 90s and early 00s were girls. Downloading a tool, typing in a title and clicking on it isn't some high IQ shit and I refuse to even consider women that cannot do it fans of anything and certainly not nerds. I know one who is borderline autistic NEET and even she can pirate and crack stuff. It's also largely a phone shitter phenomenon that people became too moronic to pirate, it even affects men. Phones somehow turned humans into idiots I don't want to know how gen z people act like.
But I'd say even the geek girls I knew growing up weren't as piracy savvy. The anime fangirls for instance mostly streamed their piracy shows from my memory, which was easier to do than anything to do with comics. I think autistic NEETs are more likely to pirate, while the more casual fan who COULD have turned into a super fan won't.
But also yeah, definitely also a phoneshitter phenomenon, but I think it's a mixture of everything that adds up to less female fans for comics than something like anime.
Geez, what shops do you people go to? Mine is very organized.
Not a comic but I know women that started to play (and replay) CoD MW because they are horny for Ghost and/or König. I don't know why these two are so fricking popular. I mean the outfits are fricking cool I agree here, but there must be more to it.
Sometimes pairings just take off, and it's a pretty known IP to begin with. It's probably just a viral thing; isn't that actually something that's been around for a while?
it's literally just because of the mask thing. But yeah there was a strange uptick of my fujo friends sharing art of Ghost getting his wiener sucked or whatever. Characters with mysterious looks/obscured faces are always coveted.
It's kind of funny how much fricking art Disco Elysium is getting too and how popular that pairing is. Unlike most other popular shipping characters Harry isn't cute or handsome no matter how you interpret his design and he isn't young either. It's the first time I see something like that blowing up that hard. I guess it's indicative of the writing quality of that game if a guy like this manages to get that popular among fans, especially female fans.
>Ghost and/or König
the shit women ship
I think the main issues are twofold.
One: Comics are just not very cute. Even when you look at the female authors in the industry, a lot of them make things that are cute, just look at how many of the cute bestseller Scholastic comics are made by women. The ultra nerdy comic audience generally doesn't take a story seriously if it's got a cute artstyle, you would never see something like Made in Abyss or Saikano in America because people would have a fit over "tonal whiplash" and other issues.
Two: Comic spaces in America have historically not been very receptive towards women. As weird as this is going to sound considering where we are, I feel like the kind of guys who are into manga have been more receptive towards women than the comic audience, and since the manga side had less of an issue with women being pushed away they were able to build their own communities and expand out from there, to the point where the industry has plenty of spaces for both men and women and even some mild crossover.
Hell, even here on Cinemaphile you'll often find guys who were introduced to anime/manga by their girlfriends/older sisters/female friends, which basically never happens with comics.
I can imagine something like I Hate Fairyland would catch their attention for a bit.
I saw this cover the other day and had to look it up.
My LCS is located in a mall so there's quite of bit of women who go in there out of curiosity. It's a chill environment and us guys actually take a shower
this happens all the time.
People say that, but I’ve seen girls in comic shops all the time and that never happens. Usually it’s just a girl saying she loves comics and you get the orbiters and the guys that say yeah ok whatever and they go back to there own business.
That comic is definitely making fun of the idea, vs the other comics doing it in earnest. But really all you need is a minority of women with a bigger minority of men to make the cliche stick. Especially if there's the liklihood of an autist who doesn't know how he's coming across thus fulfilling the prophecy. Like how the fat chick who writes for Marvel posted some guy saying he was vetting her nerd cred on bumble when he was obviously desperately trying to find anything to open with and she said she liked comics.
I think we need to try to keep in mind that a lot of this is less "these men are so hateful" and more "these dudes acted like weirdos and I was uncomfortable," which shouldn't really be surprising to anybody. Of course comics nerds are weirdos. Have we met ourselves? Comic book/game shop stories are usually about being slightly creeped out or annoyed by someone's attitude, not being sexually harassed or degraded unless they made the mistake of walking into the one with cheese
the difficult snobby store owner isnt specific to how men treat women or even to comics
That's different. You go to a record store to show off and have snooty record store workers judge you. Is it even possible to do that in a comic shop? Loudly demand back issues of French stuff?
No, that would be about antis telling them they're not allowed to enjoy problematic things because it's abusive/underage/not the scold's preferred pairing/etc.
I never dealt with a snobby store owner, must be some shit you only see in movies like how Jocks and nerds don't get along.
Hi, is this a thread with a bunch of comic nerds in it? I'm trying to figure out what the term "widescreen action" means.
...it means what it says it means.
Comics aren't shown on screens. Just say "two-page clusterfrick action scenes"
I always took it to mean the Ellis/Hitch authority's paneling.
most but not all western comics are capshit with very weirdly drawn women that are obnoxiously wolk.
manga has various genres and has cute girls being actual good characters with realistic flaws making them more likable to read and get invested in.
who cares
capeshit comics are totally for men. its similar to gekiga style manga with manly characters and its romanticism like fist of the north star, ikegamis manga etc. shonen manga is different from that. they have so many diverse characters and the art style isnt hardcore, so women can also enjoy them
The answer is capeshit.
I was reading a vampire comic someone dumped here the other day and it took literally a single issue for it to turn into fricking capeshit.
Just fricking stop with this shit, my god.
what do you look for in a comic? also are you an actual biological female, trannies don't count.
what comic?
If I wanted to make a media and nerd girls who like pretty boys was part of the target audience, but not the entire audience, what should I learn or unlearn? Can't really communicate my needs well because I am tispy.
Literally just add a bit of interpersonal drama, comedy, and small hints of romance into the plot. That's all that's really needed for the female audience. The rest of the comic's aspects can be about anything else.
In fact, being about something else is an advantage unless something is supposed to be straight-up porn. The best received fics and fujo comics have structured plots.
ANY comic fans are hard to come by these days.
There is nothing in this hobby anymore
I would actually buy Creepy and Eerie Archives.
I've only been interested in Shudder. I have a subscription and bought some back issues, mainly as they're not digital and don't have scans.
Women aren't real.
This thread is some moronic shit when everyone acknowledges the existence of incredibly autistic fujos and sometimes autistic lesbians into capeshit strictly fror extremely degenerate fujo/lesbian porn on one end and "whole tumblr diaspora puritan virtue signaling" on the other end, that they hate each other, and that none of this has anything to do with men. They're just female autists.
I think most men just aren't interested in genuinely autistic females, who are the females genuinely into capeshit. Also autistic capeshit female fans are more into capeshit shipping.
What if I told you all that I'm a woman and that I do read capeshit. Now what if I told you I like my capeshit to have hot guys AND hot women with a bit of interpersonal relationships and drama but most of all I want a POWER FANTASY. l don't want any of that boring ass woke shit with ugly as sin "art" trying to tell me what I'm supposed to like or think. When I read capeshit I want power fantasy where people are beating each other up and or shit is blowing up (or suffering porn, I'm fine with that too)
>or suffering porn, I'm fine with that too
you really are a woman
>sees people suffering
>sticks hands in pants
>"oh yeah, human heart break. Cry you piece of shit"
Your minds are absolutely filthy and I have no idea why you assume I'd be the same. I read capeshit because it's dumb fun
stop lying, everyone knows you want to be a rape slave.
>What if
I wouldn't believe you.
I believe them because of the part about jerking off to human suffering, that is all of AO3 which is mostly women written and plenty of capeshit. Female fap material needs three things
>evil total pieces of shit with no redeeming qualities at all, all flaws and nothing good about them, if they had anything decent in the source material it is removed to make them total intolerable shit
>people suffering horribly pathetically painfully gruesomely and endlessly for no reason but female readers to fap to
>edgy nihilism
Oh and it's usually gay.
>Female fap material needs three things
>>evil total pieces of shit with no redeeming qualities at all, all flaws and nothing good about them, if they had anything decent in the source material it is removed to make them total intolerable shit
suffering horribly pathetically painfully gruesomely and endlessly for no reason but female readers to fap to
>>edgy nihilism
you're exaggerating...but...I would love to see this taken to its logical conclusion. Like Joker and Luthor create a hell world with them both as kings...then they just have uncontrolled angry buttsex. Just insane buttsex like that adult cartoon party ep where ren and stimpy simulate sex by cutting wood.
Be the funniest shit Ive ever seen.
>all the worlds heros, laying, unconscious
>Metropolis and gotham on fire
>Joker and Luthor fricking uncontrollably on top of the daily planit
>power fantasy
holy yawn, I think you truly are a woman because that is the most played-out female fantasy that has been in every trashy piece of media since the dawn of time
That's a male fantasy in this context though.
Why can't it be both?
Hm, I guess it is. It just depends on the characters and how someone's reading them.
🙂
This is just my personal opinion but generally when I read a cape comic focusing on a female super I really am reading it for the power fantasy. Obviously the writing needs to be at least an reasonably enjoyable level but I certainly won't say no to a superheroine with impossibly bombshell proportions with muscles. I mean, I get to imagine myself in her place at my own leisure because the whole thing is ridiculous anyway, might as well enjoy it. When the art gets too bland or the writing too woke it just breaks all immersion and I lose interest because now it just feels like it's berating me for daring to enjoy looking at hot women. I'm already fat enough and will never have such proportions, let me at least enjoy such fantasies in the art
>nobody is talking about the shota appeal
Look at any Cardcaptor sakura video on youtube and half of the comments are women lusting after Shaoran Li and admitting their childhood crushes on him.
not enough self-insert, go read twilight and the sex-swapped twilight to get know what they want
Women only get into stuff when there is money to leech.
Manga ARE comics. So "women" do like comics. They (mostly) don't like comics that are (mostly) for boys.