>couldn't get past first 20 minutes
I just can't relate to people like this, I've never watched a scifi/drama/thriller/western or any other serious genre and given up on it at any point unless it was woke garbage or aggressively cheap, Arrival could've been 3 times more poorly paced and I would've watched the movie but I guess I just like film more than guys like this
>a fricking college teacher
lol what kind of glamorous jobs do you think linguists are out there achieving? what kind of job would have made you happy?
>what kind of job would have made you happy?
gal gadot as an israeli mossad deep cover operative with secret ties to the cartels in the congo, isis in the himalayas, and the bloods and crips of thailand.
obviously she'd be stronk enough and her beauty is statuesque
>Is the main character >Does main character things >YOU’RE A MARY SUE!!
What makes a Mary Sue a Mary Sue isn’t being good at things, it’s the utter lack of challenges. In this there was struggle; they didn’t have it all worked out from the beginning.
It was a very straightforward, very archetypal hero narrative that hit all the beats. You’re just a misogynist.
>main character things
this is how the israelites are gonna represent movies in another 5 years of this feminist nonsense.
movies are being made just so ppl can point at them and say "well there are tons of movies with this kind of character and they made money so your point about mary sues is invalid".
i fricking hate you argumentum ad populum homosexuals so much
alien movie isn't about aliens in the colloquial sense it's a monster movie.
if someone said they discovered aliens you think of intelligent species not wildlife.
it's like saying germs on mars are aliens.
If the moron ayyliums knew the future why did one get blown the frick up and killed because he fricked around too long instead of running off like his buddy?
Yeah wait so the aliens showed up on Earth, and we had to come up with a plan to communicate with them on a crash basis?
They hadn't watched us long enough to figure out some basic shit? Like, the aliens didn't have a communication protocol ready to go, only Amy Adams can do that?
Prometheus. You think PROMETHEUS is a better move than Arrival?
Prometheus, which couldn't decide how it wanted the mutagenic substance to work, so it just made it work 4 different ways without explaining why or how? (1 - immediate dissolution of body into base amino acids to kick off complex life on a sterile planet, 2 - turning small simple creatures such as earthworms into more advanced and larger and hostile lifeforms like the worm facehugger, 3 - creating internal modifications to a complex lifeform over several hours to the point that worms develop in the vitreous humor of the eye before an external changes manifest, 4 - sexual transmission with a carrier leading to a proto-facehugger evolving without a template species in the sexual partner's uterus)
The movie whose entire plot could have been avoided by even the most absolutely basic mission procedures and biological isolation measures?
The movie that starts with a ship entering a planet's orbit and immediate entering the atmosphere right exactly where the ancient alien civilization's spaceship hangar is located?
The movie that features two ostensibly intelligent characters running in the direction a structure is falling, leading to being crushed and nearly crushed?
Sound design and music are another matter; they're brilliant. Even the development of the engineers and their ship was fantastic. But as far as the actual plot goes, it's very, very dumb.
I appreciate your effortreply but it was a way more entertaining and memorable film than Arrival. Arrival was more philosophical and touchy feely, while Prometheus had more of a punch. I'd say the mutagenic substance was unpredictable and its inconsistent destructive effects didn't need explanation. It's designed by an advanced alien race so it makes sense for us to not understand it, otherwise why watch a film if you have all the answers, especially with sci-fi. Covenant states that the black go is a type of nano-tech, how do you foresee the effects of an alien nanotech mutagenic WMD? It's obviously not random in that it destroys or increases it's ability to spread, with not that much variation. When it interacted with mosquitoes on the uncharted planet it created specialized small egg-parasites that were deployed through the proboscis if I recall, another iteration. Horror and Alien fans in general should be satisfied with the rich bestiary that the black goo is capable of making. We aren't in 1979 anymore. https://youtu.be/xFP2wFHWqfM
>The movie that starts with a ship entering a planet's orbit and immediate entering the atmosphere right exactly where the ancient alien civilization's spaceship hangar is located?
did they not see it on their instruments from low orbit? That's a nitpick.
>running in the direction a structure is falling, leading to being crushed and nearly crushed?
It was obvious if they ran sideways they would've died even faster, I'm sure even the cast mentions this, it's not a blunder.
>It was obvious if they ran sideways they would've died even faster, I'm sure even the cast mentions this, it's not a blunder.
Wtf are you talking about. Explain how that's at all possible.
It means the speed with which the ship was rolling was just slow enough for Shaw to escape, but had she ran diagonally or sideways, the width of the alien ship would've crushed her. The craft was rolling at the same speed a human runs, give or take, so you have to account for that, its width and how much time you have to escape it.
OK NVM I just rewatched the scene, it never bothered me but I now noticed that they both actually *change direction diagonally to not get crushed* https://youtu.be/_FAR97Dle1Y?t=42
At 1:04 you can clearly see them make a near-perpendicular turn to try and get away from it, but the craft "follows" them downhill. Charlize Theron stumbles and that's why she dies, while Shaw survives without much difficulty. Not that my post is gonna stop a 10 year meme but there you go.
I don't like Prometheus because it is gory (it's Alien series afterall and isn't a standalone movie). It's main selling point is the gore and horror, not the philosophy.
"A Mary Sue is a character archetype in fiction, usually a young woman, who is often portrayed as inexplicably competent across all domains, gifted with unique talents or powers, liked or respected by most other characters, unrealistically free of weaknesses, extremely attractive, innately virtuous, and/or generally lacking meaningful character flaws.[1][2][3][4] Usually female and almost always the main character, a Mary Sue is often an author's idealized self-insertion, and may serve as a form of wish fulfillment. Mary Sue stories are often written by adolescent authors" Wikipedia.
>competent across all domains, gifted with unique talents or powers
she is good at one thing and works in a team to accomplish her task. im not seeing any similarities in this definition
She's the most brave of the team (a woman college professor), braver than a team of Marines on that scene where she approaches the aliens, she cracked the alien code before all other scientists from china, europe etc, she has a colonel simping for her to accept her bullshit.
How is she not a Mary sue? how can you not see this?
If it wasn't a lone main character the reveal wouldn't have been as personal and effective, that's just how it is. It's also supposed to be one of those "prometheus bringing fire" allegories the trauma we think she's guilty over is her fate that she has to accept. Not exactly a win in the end.
>usually a young woman
42 at the time of filming >often portrayed as inexplicably competent across all domains
literally only shown to be extremely competent at linguistics and has years of experience in this very specific domain >gifted with unique talents or powers
her talents aren't unique, she's just good in her field. Her powers regarding perception across time are also not unique (every heptapod has the same perception) >liked or respected by most other characters
she's liked by the dude who has a crush on her, respected by the general who brought her into the team due to her experience and then later for being the only team leader who makes progress in communications, and is disliked by the CIA guy >unrealistically free of weaknesses
nope >extremely attractive
I wouldn't say extremely, but she was good enough for superman >innately virtuous
not relevant to the character >generally lacking meaningful character flaws
nope, she's got a few >often an author's idealized self-insertion
author's a dude >may serve as a form of wish fulfillment
can't see how >often written by adolescent authors
nope
I mean, it takes effort to be as thoroughly incorrect as you are in this take on Louise's character.
I watched it only for the qt red head. I couldn’t get past the first 20 min and just turned it off and read the synopsis on wiki
shame you have 20 iq because its one of the better sci fi flicks of this century
>couldn't get past first 20 minutes
I just can't relate to people like this, I've never watched a scifi/drama/thriller/western or any other serious genre and given up on it at any point unless it was woke garbage or aggressively cheap, Arrival could've been 3 times more poorly paced and I would've watched the movie but I guess I just like film more than guys like this
>woke
The problem is that this made me fall ASLEEP. I couldn’t stay AWAKE!
Amy Adams is a gem
>qt
>amy adams
you = gay
>Mary Sue
Is there some alternative cut of Arrival floating around out there? Nothing about the character is mary sue-ish in the least
>saves the world
>is the only one that can decipher the advanced alien language
>a fricking college teacher
>a fricking college teacher
lol what kind of glamorous jobs do you think linguists are out there achieving? what kind of job would have made you happy?
Daniel Jackson also taught at a university or at least did until he got fired for perpetuating his theories.
>what kind of job would have made you happy?
gal gadot as an israeli mossad deep cover operative with secret ties to the cartels in the congo, isis in the himalayas, and the bloods and crips of thailand.
obviously she'd be stronk enough and her beauty is statuesque
>Is the main character
>Does main character things
>YOU’RE A MARY SUE!!
What makes a Mary Sue a Mary Sue isn’t being good at things, it’s the utter lack of challenges. In this there was struggle; they didn’t have it all worked out from the beginning.
It was a very straightforward, very archetypal hero narrative that hit all the beats. You’re just a misogynist.
>main character things
this is how the israelites are gonna represent movies in another 5 years of this feminist nonsense.
movies are being made just so ppl can point at them and say "well there are tons of movies with this kind of character and they made money so your point about mary sues is invalid".
i fricking hate you argumentum ad populum homosexuals so much
Trying too hard to fit in, redditor
your mum didn't complain about me fitting in last night
Read the definition in wikipedia, i'm not going by your definition of "struggle". She's a Mary Sue character
She's a highly educated and experienced linguistics expert you smelly turd
Nabokov was a teacher. Piaget was a teacher. Feynman was a teacher. Einstein was a teacher. Many experts in a field teach.
Yes.
It's called Alien.
alien movie isn't about aliens in the colloquial sense it's a monster movie.
if someone said they discovered aliens you think of intelligent species not wildlife.
it's like saying germs on mars are aliens.
why would an alien try to kill anyone?
You should try this bait on reddit instead
You would get insta banned on any popular subreddit if you even hinted or trolled about her being a mary sue, true or not.
How the frick is she a Mary Sue you dumb fricking incel
If the moron ayyliums knew the future why did one get blown the frick up and killed because he fricked around too long instead of running off like his buddy?
if you change the future ??? happens
They could only see the future not alter it
Yeah wait so the aliens showed up on Earth, and we had to come up with a plan to communicate with them on a crash basis?
They hadn't watched us long enough to figure out some basic shit? Like, the aliens didn't have a communication protocol ready to go, only Amy Adams can do that?
They experience time in reverse, so they already know it will turn out okay if they let Amy do all the work.
They don't experience time in any direction. It's completely non-linear.
also going to add that they were basically Slaughterhouse Five aliens
It's alright but suffers from coming off like a short story.
It is a short story anon, called Story of Your Life
>the book is better
movie is dumb as frick
learning a new language cant possibly give you super powers
כן זה כן
Back in my day, you simply wouldn't reply to an obvious troll.
But I thought trolling takes skill and effort, OP is just a silly question.
OP is death process
Thanks man, I needed that.
What?
Prometheus
Predator
Alien 1&2
Alien Covenant
District 9
The Fifth Element
....
Prometheus. You think PROMETHEUS is a better move than Arrival?
Prometheus, which couldn't decide how it wanted the mutagenic substance to work, so it just made it work 4 different ways without explaining why or how? (1 - immediate dissolution of body into base amino acids to kick off complex life on a sterile planet, 2 - turning small simple creatures such as earthworms into more advanced and larger and hostile lifeforms like the worm facehugger, 3 - creating internal modifications to a complex lifeform over several hours to the point that worms develop in the vitreous humor of the eye before an external changes manifest, 4 - sexual transmission with a carrier leading to a proto-facehugger evolving without a template species in the sexual partner's uterus)
The movie whose entire plot could have been avoided by even the most absolutely basic mission procedures and biological isolation measures?
The movie that starts with a ship entering a planet's orbit and immediate entering the atmosphere right exactly where the ancient alien civilization's spaceship hangar is located?
The movie that features two ostensibly intelligent characters running in the direction a structure is falling, leading to being crushed and nearly crushed?
Sound design and music are another matter; they're brilliant. Even the development of the engineers and their ship was fantastic. But as far as the actual plot goes, it's very, very dumb.
I appreciate your effortreply but it was a way more entertaining and memorable film than Arrival. Arrival was more philosophical and touchy feely, while Prometheus had more of a punch. I'd say the mutagenic substance was unpredictable and its inconsistent destructive effects didn't need explanation. It's designed by an advanced alien race so it makes sense for us to not understand it, otherwise why watch a film if you have all the answers, especially with sci-fi. Covenant states that the black go is a type of nano-tech, how do you foresee the effects of an alien nanotech mutagenic WMD? It's obviously not random in that it destroys or increases it's ability to spread, with not that much variation. When it interacted with mosquitoes on the uncharted planet it created specialized small egg-parasites that were deployed through the proboscis if I recall, another iteration. Horror and Alien fans in general should be satisfied with the rich bestiary that the black goo is capable of making. We aren't in 1979 anymore. https://youtu.be/xFP2wFHWqfM
>The movie that starts with a ship entering a planet's orbit and immediate entering the atmosphere right exactly where the ancient alien civilization's spaceship hangar is located?
did they not see it on their instruments from low orbit? That's a nitpick.
>running in the direction a structure is falling, leading to being crushed and nearly crushed?
It was obvious if they ran sideways they would've died even faster, I'm sure even the cast mentions this, it's not a blunder.
>It was obvious if they ran sideways they would've died even faster, I'm sure even the cast mentions this, it's not a blunder.
Wtf are you talking about. Explain how that's at all possible.
It means the speed with which the ship was rolling was just slow enough for Shaw to escape, but had she ran diagonally or sideways, the width of the alien ship would've crushed her. The craft was rolling at the same speed a human runs, give or take, so you have to account for that, its width and how much time you have to escape it.
OK NVM I just rewatched the scene, it never bothered me but I now noticed that they both actually *change direction diagonally to not get crushed* https://youtu.be/_FAR97Dle1Y?t=42
At 1:04 you can clearly see them make a near-perpendicular turn to try and get away from it, but the craft "follows" them downhill. Charlize Theron stumbles and that's why she dies, while Shaw survives without much difficulty. Not that my post is gonna stop a 10 year meme but there you go.
I don't like Prometheus because it is gory (it's Alien series afterall and isn't a standalone movie). It's main selling point is the gore and horror, not the philosophy.
Don't know why you homosexuals are seething, its a Mary Sue character alright
>daughter dies
>aliens die
>gets divorced
>takes entire duration of the film to make any amount of progress
how is she a mary sue?
"A Mary Sue is a character archetype in fiction, usually a young woman, who is often portrayed as inexplicably competent across all domains, gifted with unique talents or powers, liked or respected by most other characters, unrealistically free of weaknesses, extremely attractive, innately virtuous, and/or generally lacking meaningful character flaws.[1][2][3][4] Usually female and almost always the main character, a Mary Sue is often an author's idealized self-insertion, and may serve as a form of wish fulfillment. Mary Sue stories are often written by adolescent authors" Wikipedia.
kys triggered redditor
>competent across all domains, gifted with unique talents or powers
she is good at one thing and works in a team to accomplish her task. im not seeing any similarities in this definition
She's the most brave of the team (a woman college professor), braver than a team of Marines on that scene where she approaches the aliens, she cracked the alien code before all other scientists from china, europe etc, she has a colonel simping for her to accept her bullshit.
How is she not a Mary sue? how can you not see this?
This. I wanted a scene where she got her period and shit her pants because the session with the aliens took too long.
>braver than a team of Marines on that scene where she approaches the aliens
I think this was just her going full moron and the gamble working
If it wasn't a lone main character the reveal wouldn't have been as personal and effective, that's just how it is. It's also supposed to be one of those "prometheus bringing fire" allegories the trauma we think she's guilty over is her fate that she has to accept. Not exactly a win in the end.
>usually a young woman
42 at the time of filming
>often portrayed as inexplicably competent across all domains
literally only shown to be extremely competent at linguistics and has years of experience in this very specific domain
>gifted with unique talents or powers
her talents aren't unique, she's just good in her field. Her powers regarding perception across time are also not unique (every heptapod has the same perception)
>liked or respected by most other characters
she's liked by the dude who has a crush on her, respected by the general who brought her into the team due to her experience and then later for being the only team leader who makes progress in communications, and is disliked by the CIA guy
>unrealistically free of weaknesses
nope
>extremely attractive
I wouldn't say extremely, but she was good enough for superman
>innately virtuous
not relevant to the character
>generally lacking meaningful character flaws
nope, she's got a few
>often an author's idealized self-insertion
author's a dude
>may serve as a form of wish fulfillment
can't see how
>often written by adolescent authors
nope
I mean, it takes effort to be as thoroughly incorrect as you are in this take on Louise's character.
op is gay sex process
heh
Aliens is pretty good. I recommend
Sci-fi for women.
I remember liking this movie a lot until the last third when it goes full moron.
Stargate (1994)
Globalist 'dood everybody be the same' propaganda aimed at people who conflate the joy of 'getting the message' with the correctness of the message.