There is a reason you never, ever introduce relativity bombs into your science fiction stories. It makes literally all the space combat shown in every previous movie completely pointless and obsolete. And fighter ship battles are some of people's favorite parts of Star Wars.
No he didn't.
The entire investment of building the gargantuan death star was completely useless if, in universe, you are able to perform a relativity bombs with a simple junk ship and a suicide bomber/drone.
What is a relativity bomb?
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No he didn't.
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Not what would happen.
A ship the size of the space shuttle hitting the Earth at the speed of light would death star it. Building the death star with that allowed would be like spending 2 trillion dollars to achieve the same effectiveness of a rock and slingshot. You don't EVER add relativity bombs to your scifi unless the story is 100% about and revolves around them as the major plot device. They completely kill the purposefulness of any other brand of space combat.
You're bad at baiting, try to be more frustrating and less pathetic next time.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's not bait. There are a lot of people on this site that have extremely poor reasoning skills due to mental illness, or just low IQ. The anon I responded to seemed to fit in that category, and for that reason, I am sympathetic to their plight.
He's not moving at relativistic speeds. I'm not the anon you replied to but I'm guessing the problem with relativistic attacks is that they instakill anything and also can't be dodged since they move close to the speed of light.
>bridge deflector shields are down >rebel pilot gets lucky and hits the star destroyer before they can increase power to the forward batteries and shoot him down. >the pilot had to evade imperial defenses to get close to the star destroyer in order to kamikaze it >this is the same as Holdo instantly nuking a fully shielded ship 100x as big as her ship without any opportunity for the big ship to prevent it.
The Separatists had vulture droids during the clone wars, and the Jedi had hyper drive engines for their fighters. What's stopping the empire from using a fleet of suicide hyper drive vulture droids and assraping anyone who opposes them?
>What is a relativity bomb?
A projectile accellerated to light speed used as a torpedo to attack an object in space. Use of such a weapon would eliminate all others in space, and make large scale "warships", like star destroyers or death stars, completely irrelevant.
To expand on this, the projectile would almost always be of a ridiculous size equivalent to the largest possible battleship in that universe, such as an asteroid with thrusters and a simple guidance system.
As soon as FTL travel exists, anyone can create planet-killers just by setting the coordinates and letting it fly. It would be like the mutually assured destruction promised by nuclear missile silos today, except on a galactic scale, with every system having many asteroids rigged and ready for orders at any provocation.
The only reason not to do this would be author intervention, such as making FTL only available through stuff like gateways. Even then, the asteroids would be plenty destructive in the range the thrusters allow, albeit slow.
If I remember correctly, there's a nice greentext story about an alien race that sends a relativity bomb towards Earth after seeing their barbarism and imagining the worst should they ever develop to spaceflight, but since a non-FTL bomb takes centuries to travel, they watched humanity grow into a peaceful and loving race unknowingly doomed by their past actions.
you forgot to add that the relativity bomb doesn't wipe humanity out at the end and just causes them to revert to an animalistic barbarous rage over who attacked them
"we're coming for you"
2 years ago
Anonymous
I remember this, it was one of those HFY stories. Wish I could read it again. Reminds me of that one where the intergalactic council of aliens decides humanity is too dangerous and one of the races attempts to wipe out humans. But the humans make up for their inferior technology by just being willing to die in their billions. The aliens are unfamiliar with the concept of a pyrrhic victory and eventually they lose by attrition.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Wish I could read it again.
It's called the gift of mercy. >https://www.creepypasta.com/the-gift-of-mercy/
2 years ago
Anonymous
That'sd because they had spaceships/habitats that didn't get galactically yeeted out of existance.
And this is exactly why the EU explained how works FTL travel in Star Wars. It's like the nether in Minecraft, you go into a "smaller" parallel dimension named hyperspace, travels a distance and then you get out. The ship can't interacts with objects in normal space but you can still see it wooshing through space because it's an object from our dimension.
>Use of such a weapon would eliminate all others in space, and make large scale "warships", like star destroyers or death stars, completely irrelevant.
Wouldn't targeting/evasion make this fairly inviable?
He's not moving at relativistic speeds. I'm not the anon you replied to but I'm guessing the problem with relativistic attacks is that they instakill anything and also can't be dodged since they move close to the speed of light.
>and also can't be dodged since they move close to the speed of light.
You can always just move around randomly to make hitting you muchy harder.
To expand on this, the projectile would almost always be of a ridiculous size equivalent to the largest possible battleship in that universe, such as an asteroid with thrusters and a simple guidance system.
As soon as FTL travel exists, anyone can create planet-killers just by setting the coordinates and letting it fly. It would be like the mutually assured destruction promised by nuclear missile silos today, except on a galactic scale, with every system having many asteroids rigged and ready for orders at any provocation.
The only reason not to do this would be author intervention, such as making FTL only available through stuff like gateways. Even then, the asteroids would be plenty destructive in the range the thrusters allow, albeit slow.
If I remember correctly, there's a nice greentext story about an alien race that sends a relativity bomb towards Earth after seeing their barbarism and imagining the worst should they ever develop to spaceflight, but since a non-FTL bomb takes centuries to travel, they watched humanity grow into a peaceful and loving race unknowingly doomed by their past actions.
>As soon as FTL travel exists, anyone can create planet-killers just by setting the coordinates and letting it fly.
This, no need for a death star. Planets can't duke. >The only reason not to do this would be author intervention, such as making FTL only available through stuff like gateways.
You could just make it inacurate, or take th efoundation route and force you to target outside of gravity wells.
No he didn't.
The entire investment of building the gargantuan death star was completely useless if, in universe, you are able to perform a relativity bombs with a simple junk ship and a suicide bomber/drone.
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A ship the size of the space shuttle hitting the Earth at the speed of light would death star it. Building the death star with that allowed would be like spending 2 trillion dollars to achieve the same effectiveness of a rock and slingshot. You don't EVER add relativity bombs to your scifi unless the story is 100% about and revolves around them as the major plot device. They completely kill the purposefulness of any other brand of space combat.
i literally do not give a frick about the physics or science behind this scene. It truly doesn’t matter. At the end of the day it’s Rian Johnson writing his way out of a situation with a pretentious hack explosion. Of course moronic room temp normies were wowed by this
2 years ago
Anonymous
also movies used to have some sort of moral code. Suiciding vehicles to win fights used to not be something our culture viewed as morally acceptable. But frick it. Our culture is a rotting corpse and morals are laughed at.
>Wouldn't targeting/evasion make this fairly inviable?
See below >You can always just move around randomly to make hitting you muchy harder.
If you can target it enough to send a fleet, you can send a relativistic bomb. They can be detonated before impact, taking out an entire Star system
It’s all pointless, relativistic bombs don’t require FTL, they are technically achievable with current technology extrapolated a bit. And starfleets are all about force projection. When force projection is done through strategic remote elimination of targets they are pointless. In real world Star Wars ships would focus on stealth and travel singly. Space battles would not exist. Warfare would consist of intelligence gathering and computer guided projectiles.
Basically, if hyperspace kamikaze ram is a viable tactic, then why the hell isn't everyone doing that? Why haven't they developed any technology that takes advantage of it in the thousands of years that the setting's had hyperdrives?
So, none of the ships in First Order fleet that Holdo decimated had any shields? Oh, wait, the entire point of Finn and Rose's B plot was to find a way to disable the flagship's shields, which they weren't even successful at.
An X-wing travelling at 99% the speed of light carries a kinetic energy of 5.43 billion trillion joules. That's equivalent to 1.3 million 100 megatonne nuclear bombs. I don't know of many ships with shields that strong.
2 years ago
Anonymous
do you know of any ships with shields, anon?
2 years ago
Anonymous
There were some in that whacky space movie. I think it was called star wars or something like that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hell, in Empire Strikes Back we had Star Destroyers get taken out by asteroids that weren't moving anywhere near that fast despite having shields
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Empire Strikes Back we had Star Destroyers get taken out by asteroids
Das right.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hyperspace is not traveling at any amount of speed. You literally enter another relativistic dimension where you are falling through space because of your vessels own gravity at an indefinite velocity. If you encounter a gravity distortion greater than your own, you get immediately spit out. But since you aren't actually moving at all, you exit at the same speed you were traveling when you entered.
>shields?
Demonstrated they reduce the effectiveness of energy weapons with zero mass, like lasers. It's not known, but highly doubtful, that they would have any defensive capabilities against projectiles that have mass, especailly those moving at relativistic speeds.
Because any story about space warfare either ignores relativistic bombs, or makes them the whole plot. Nothing in Star Wars makes sense when you face the reality of a weapon you can’t detect, is cheap to manufacture, and is capable of destroying an entire star system.
Why did she have to pilot the ship and kill herself when they could've just dumped one of the droids and say "hold the controls and then go into hyper drive!"
The kamikaze part isn't the problem, it's the light speed part. It's beyond power creep to use such move, even when retconned in the next flick as one in a million. >One ship lightspeeds into another >Figure out how to perfect a targeting solution >Affix hyperdrives onto metal rods >The only counter is communicating or moving faster than light >Can't be shielded against >You can now defeat any naval force
>even when retconned in the next flick as one in a million
This was so half assed too, it's like only her could manage to master the oh so difficult art of RAMMING YOUR FRICKING SHIP INTO ANOTHER ONE
>intelligent enough to design technology that allows them to defy space and time >not smart enough to see the inferior leadership and decision making abilities of females compared to their superior male counterparts
I'm glad one armed people and bald people aren't as batshit insane as are the "much racism and misogyny" lunatics. Imagine a world where mass communication exists solely to transmit the complaints of every idiot on the planet that thinks they've been sleighted in some way.
God, the hyperspace ram was pretty fricking stupid however you look at it. >It's a viable strategy, so why has nobody thought to make hyperspace torpedoes/kamikaze drones? >It's a one-in-a-million shot, so she's a hypocrite for getting pissy with Poe for "betting the survival of the Resistance on bad odds" >It's a one-in-a-million shot, so she was trying to flee and got insanely unlucky
today I'm a little b***h, I randomly went across this scene again and I just remembered how it felt when I saw it for the first time when I was a kid and I cried.
They didn't had the right to do that, they didn't. Now I'm drunk and sad
To beat a dead horse, she brought all the bad shit upon herself and is the only one to blame
Zero harm in telling her plan to hide in an abandoned base. That plan did not hinge at all on being need to know.
This. Even if she was concerned about a mole, is the guy who'd blown up the First Order's most valuable military asset a few hours ago the most likely suspect?
why didn’t Leia just do literally everything this character did. Why introduce a near identical character type only to have her killed off like 30 minutes later? Was it because Carrie Fischer was too drugged out to act? I fricking hate this postmodern trope of “btw here’s this character who is SUPER important who has totally been a major player in this franchise the whole time, trust us”. Identical to Hammond’s partner in Fallen Kingdom
I assume because originally when Leia died she stayed fricking dead rather than pull a Force Resurrect and Force Float out of her ass. It was hilarious how many fake out deaths that movie had.
she actually crashed it on purpose OP. omg you're so dumb
There is a reason you never, ever introduce relativity bombs into your science fiction stories. It makes literally all the space combat shown in every previous movie completely pointless and obsolete. And fighter ship battles are some of people's favorite parts of Star Wars.
george did it and no one gave a shit.
Yeah, kamikaze doesn't "render space battles pointless". No army would spam ramming their crewed ships outside of a last resort.
No he didn't.
The entire investment of building the gargantuan death star was completely useless if, in universe, you are able to perform a relativity bombs with a simple junk ship and a suicide bomber/drone.
A ship the size of the space shuttle hitting the Earth at the speed of light would death star it. Building the death star with that allowed would be like spending 2 trillion dollars to achieve the same effectiveness of a rock and slingshot. You don't EVER add relativity bombs to your scifi unless the story is 100% about and revolves around them as the major plot device. They completely kill the purposefulness of any other brand of space combat.
What is a relativity bomb?
No he didn't.
Not what would happen.
You have very poor reasoning and comparison skills. I imagine that makes your life hard, doesn't it?
You're bad at baiting, try to be more frustrating and less pathetic next time.
It's not bait. There are a lot of people on this site that have extremely poor reasoning skills due to mental illness, or just low IQ. The anon I responded to seemed to fit in that category, and for that reason, I am sympathetic to their plight.
He's not moving at relativistic speeds. I'm not the anon you replied to but I'm guessing the problem with relativistic attacks is that they instakill anything and also can't be dodged since they move close to the speed of light.
>the problem with relativistic attacks is that they instakill anything and also can't be dodged since they move close to the speed of light.
Exactly. It's simply a matter of target, plot trajectory, accelerate, target destroyed.
>bridge deflector shields are down
>rebel pilot gets lucky and hits the star destroyer before they can increase power to the forward batteries and shoot him down.
>the pilot had to evade imperial defenses to get close to the star destroyer in order to kamikaze it
>this is the same as Holdo instantly nuking a fully shielded ship 100x as big as her ship without any opportunity for the big ship to prevent it.
The Separatists had vulture droids during the clone wars, and the Jedi had hyper drive engines for their fighters. What's stopping the empire from using a fleet of suicide hyper drive vulture droids and assraping anyone who opposes them?
Why not smack a hyperdrive on an asteroid and slamming into the deathstar?
>What is a relativity bomb?
A projectile accellerated to light speed used as a torpedo to attack an object in space. Use of such a weapon would eliminate all others in space, and make large scale "warships", like star destroyers or death stars, completely irrelevant.
To expand on this, the projectile would almost always be of a ridiculous size equivalent to the largest possible battleship in that universe, such as an asteroid with thrusters and a simple guidance system.
As soon as FTL travel exists, anyone can create planet-killers just by setting the coordinates and letting it fly. It would be like the mutually assured destruction promised by nuclear missile silos today, except on a galactic scale, with every system having many asteroids rigged and ready for orders at any provocation.
The only reason not to do this would be author intervention, such as making FTL only available through stuff like gateways. Even then, the asteroids would be plenty destructive in the range the thrusters allow, albeit slow.
If I remember correctly, there's a nice greentext story about an alien race that sends a relativity bomb towards Earth after seeing their barbarism and imagining the worst should they ever develop to spaceflight, but since a non-FTL bomb takes centuries to travel, they watched humanity grow into a peaceful and loving race unknowingly doomed by their past actions.
you forgot to add that the relativity bomb doesn't wipe humanity out at the end and just causes them to revert to an animalistic barbarous rage over who attacked them
"we're coming for you"
I remember this, it was one of those HFY stories. Wish I could read it again. Reminds me of that one where the intergalactic council of aliens decides humanity is too dangerous and one of the races attempts to wipe out humans. But the humans make up for their inferior technology by just being willing to die in their billions. The aliens are unfamiliar with the concept of a pyrrhic victory and eventually they lose by attrition.
>Wish I could read it again.
It's called the gift of mercy.
>https://www.creepypasta.com/the-gift-of-mercy/
That'sd because they had spaceships/habitats that didn't get galactically yeeted out of existance.
And this is exactly why the EU explained how works FTL travel in Star Wars. It's like the nether in Minecraft, you go into a "smaller" parallel dimension named hyperspace, travels a distance and then you get out. The ship can't interacts with objects in normal space but you can still see it wooshing through space because it's an object from our dimension.
To add to your point a baseball traveling the speed of light has the energy equivalent to 144 atomic bombs.
>Use of such a weapon would eliminate all others in space, and make large scale "warships", like star destroyers or death stars, completely irrelevant.
Wouldn't targeting/evasion make this fairly inviable?
>and also can't be dodged since they move close to the speed of light.
You can always just move around randomly to make hitting you muchy harder.
>As soon as FTL travel exists, anyone can create planet-killers just by setting the coordinates and letting it fly.
This, no need for a death star. Planets can't duke.
>The only reason not to do this would be author intervention, such as making FTL only available through stuff like gateways.
You could just make it inacurate, or take th efoundation route and force you to target outside of gravity wells.
i literally do not give a frick about the physics or science behind this scene. It truly doesn’t matter. At the end of the day it’s Rian Johnson writing his way out of a situation with a pretentious hack explosion. Of course moronic room temp normies were wowed by this
also movies used to have some sort of moral code. Suiciding vehicles to win fights used to not be something our culture viewed as morally acceptable. But frick it. Our culture is a rotting corpse and morals are laughed at.
>Wouldn't targeting/evasion make this fairly inviable?
See below
>You can always just move around randomly to make hitting you muchy harder.
If you can target it enough to send a fleet, you can send a relativistic bomb. They can be detonated before impact, taking out an entire Star system
It’s all pointless, relativistic bombs don’t require FTL, they are technically achievable with current technology extrapolated a bit. And starfleets are all about force projection. When force projection is done through strategic remote elimination of targets they are pointless. In real world Star Wars ships would focus on stealth and travel singly. Space battles would not exist. Warfare would consist of intelligence gathering and computer guided projectiles.
Basically, if hyperspace kamikaze ram is a viable tactic, then why the hell isn't everyone doing that? Why haven't they developed any technology that takes advantage of it in the thousands of years that the setting's had hyperdrives?
shields?
So, none of the ships in First Order fleet that Holdo decimated had any shields?
Oh, wait, the entire point of Finn and Rose's B plot was to find a way to disable the flagship's shields, which they weren't even successful at.
An X-wing travelling at 99% the speed of light carries a kinetic energy of 5.43 billion trillion joules. That's equivalent to 1.3 million 100 megatonne nuclear bombs. I don't know of many ships with shields that strong.
do you know of any ships with shields, anon?
There were some in that whacky space movie. I think it was called star wars or something like that.
Hell, in Empire Strikes Back we had Star Destroyers get taken out by asteroids that weren't moving anywhere near that fast despite having shields
>Empire Strikes Back we had Star Destroyers get taken out by asteroids
Das right.
Hyperspace is not traveling at any amount of speed. You literally enter another relativistic dimension where you are falling through space because of your vessels own gravity at an indefinite velocity. If you encounter a gravity distortion greater than your own, you get immediately spit out. But since you aren't actually moving at all, you exit at the same speed you were traveling when you entered.
>shields?
Demonstrated they reduce the effectiveness of energy weapons with zero mass, like lasers. It's not known, but highly doubtful, that they would have any defensive capabilities against projectiles that have mass, especailly those moving at relativistic speeds.
Because any story about space warfare either ignores relativistic bombs, or makes them the whole plot. Nothing in Star Wars makes sense when you face the reality of a weapon you can’t detect, is cheap to manufacture, and is capable of destroying an entire star system.
Why did she have to pilot the ship and kill herself when they could've just dumped one of the droids and say "hold the controls and then go into hyper drive!"
The kamikaze part isn't the problem, it's the light speed part. It's beyond power creep to use such move, even when retconned in the next flick as one in a million.
>One ship lightspeeds into another
>Figure out how to perfect a targeting solution
>Affix hyperdrives onto metal rods
>The only counter is communicating or moving faster than light
>Can't be shielded against
>You can now defeat any naval force
>even when retconned in the next flick as one in a million
This was so half assed too, it's like only her could manage to master the oh so difficult art of RAMMING YOUR FRICKING SHIP INTO ANOTHER ONE
>she actually crashed it on purpose
how is that any better???
a whole generation learns the power of female leadership.
>adult
>dies hair purple due to esteem issues
Dropped.
>intelligent enough to design technology that allows them to defy space and time
>not smart enough to see the inferior leadership and decision making abilities of females compared to their superior male counterparts
last jedi was very sexists and racist
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I'm glad one armed people and bald people aren't as batshit insane as are the "much racism and misogyny" lunatics. Imagine a world where mass communication exists solely to transmit the complaints of every idiot on the planet that thinks they've been sleighted in some way.
God, the hyperspace ram was pretty fricking stupid however you look at it.
>It's a viable strategy, so why has nobody thought to make hyperspace torpedoes/kamikaze drones?
>It's a one-in-a-million shot, so she's a hypocrite for getting pissy with Poe for "betting the survival of the Resistance on bad odds"
>It's a one-in-a-million shot, so she was trying to flee and got insanely unlucky
>it’s a one-in-a-million shot, so a single admiral piloting a capitol ship by xerself pulls it off
So, hypocrite who bet everything on a gambit that had a slim chance of success, in other words.
today I'm a little b***h, I randomly went across this scene again and I just remembered how it felt when I saw it for the first time when I was a kid and I cried.
They didn't had the right to do that, they didn't. Now I'm drunk and sad
Be happy you can feel that sadness anon. Be happy you can feel something.
youre gonna make it, anon
To beat a dead horse, she brought all the bad shit upon herself and is the only one to blame
Zero harm in telling her plan to hide in an abandoned base. That plan did not hinge at all on being need to know.
This. Even if she was concerned about a mole, is the guy who'd blown up the First Order's most valuable military asset a few hours ago the most likely suspect?
many such cases
>even combat aircraft hate women trying to be men
True.
>2018
>home sellers are cutting list prices as more buyers take...
take me back bros
KWAB
why didn’t Leia just do literally everything this character did. Why introduce a near identical character type only to have her killed off like 30 minutes later? Was it because Carrie Fischer was too drugged out to act? I fricking hate this postmodern trope of “btw here’s this character who is SUPER important who has totally been a major player in this franchise the whole time, trust us”. Identical to Hammond’s partner in Fallen Kingdom
I assume because originally when Leia died she stayed fricking dead rather than pull a Force Resurrect and Force Float out of her ass. It was hilarious how many fake out deaths that movie had.
Troi did it better