Yes let's explain the entire plot of the movie with some weird space shit sequence and then ruin the lore of the books by talking about a new sonic weapon that house atreides when every bene bawduits are the only ones who can do it besides Paul. Also twin peaks is ass and always will be.
the aesthetics of lynch dune were basically perfect.
I appreciate the Lynchian weirdness of Dune 84 but it's a bad adaptation of the source material and the endless exposition and voiceovers are objectively terrible
the movie just starts with 20 straight minutes of exposition of characters explaining the plot to the audience
how else are you going to approach a book that is like 70-80% internal monologues, like really. you also have to understand that his original submission was like 3.5 hours and it was cut down heavily to the point that he removed his name from the project in disgust.
What we got was a good visual companion to the novel, not a particularly good movie. But most people who read the book first liked the movie I found because all of the blanks were easily filled in with book knowledge and the departures from the source material were relatively minimal. Frank himself liked the movie.
That's exactly how the book is too, stupid frick. There's literally nothing wrong with exposition and voiceovers. There's way too much to know about the Dune universe to provide context and way too much going on inside these super smart people's heads. If it were made like you want, the audience would be confused as frick just watched random literally who do who know what on some weird planet, everyone just staring at each other then doing something for who knows why. Lynch's movie was objectively great and you're objectively wrong.
>That's exactly how the book is too, stupid frick
Internal monologues work in publication but they're awful for a visual medium, moron
>here's way too much to know about the Dune universe to provide context and way too much going on inside these super smart people's heads.
DUNC was able to communicate the logic and politics of the setting without having Virgina Madsen literally explaining the plot to the audience before the Emperor does it AGAIN to the Navigator
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Yet people still didn’t get it…
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I guarantee to any normal person DUNC is more digestible than 84, which was and still is said t o be completely incomprehensible
They literally had to print instruction manuals to be handed out at screenings to try to get people to understand what was happening because 84 does such a bad job of explaining shit to the audience even though it spends huge portions of its runtime just expositing lol
Because it’s so much better to have Paul pick up an IPad and say “Hey Siri, explain the setting of the movie to me.”
Go to bed Denny, you ruined the movie when you put lasers in it.
>you ruined the movie when you put lasers in it.
They're fine in the desert where there are no shields. Beam spam in Arrakeen, where shields are likely to be, is horrible tho
Sinewy does not mean an effeminate twig that has not seen a days worth of labor his entire life, let alone be subjected to rigorous combat training as soon as he stopped wearing diapers.
Feyd is at a disadvantage. He's an animal. He never had a chance against a Bene Gesserit trained fighter. Especially one who grew up under the combat training of Halleck and Idaho.
>Be Emperor >Trapped on alien planet, because your forces just got blown up, killed by locals, and eaten by sandworms >Local Duke cucks your Truthsayer and tells you 'I'm the captain now!'. >ohshit.mp3 >Hey, Feyd! Cap dis fool fo me!
The Emperor had no options left, and nothing else to lose.
The emperor still had count Fenring , also a superhuman product of the bene gesserits eugenics program, at his side.
Paul actually gets afraid for a bit cause he cannot see the count in visions and is pretty sure he wouldt win in a fight against him. But Fenring realises what Paul is so decides not to oppose him. So instead of that epic bossbattle we get paul stomping feyd in an easy fight.
I wonder what Fenring ended up doing after the Atreides took control of the empire...
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>I wonder what Fenring ended up doing after the Atreides took control of the empire...
All there in the only piece of Dune media not written by FH that's worth your time >counseled his former master through the painful details of setting up the Regency for Irulan, and took charge of preparing Shaddam's household on Salusa Secundus, the former prison planet to which the deposed emperor was exiled. >Once all of the proper arrangements had been made, Fenring returned briefly to the Court. There he made arrangements of his own: for transfer of his holdings, for the care of Lady Margot's youngest daughter, Elissa, until she reached the age of admission for the Wallach IX school, and for passage for himself and his wife to Salusa Secundus, where they joined Shaddam in his exile >This companionship ended with Shaddam's death in 10202; the former emperor's health had declined steadily following his exile, and his early demise surprised no one, least of all the Count. Fenring remained on Salusa Secundus — by this time no longer a harsh prison planet, but a world altered to suit the new emperor's description of it as a "garden world, full of gentle things" — until he too died in 10225, having spent the later years of his life in further study of the Bene Gesserit techniques
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Thanks, bro. At least ol' Fenring had a peaceful life after the Atreides took over.
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>One major question regarding Lady Margot remains: What became of her daughters, particularly the one sired by Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen? A small corpus of apocryphal legends surround the child and its destiny. It is clear, however, that it was never controlled by the Bene Gesserit. As a major portion of their pursuit of the Kwisatz Haderach, the child would have been a critical element in their continued breeding program. However, there is no record anywhere of such an extraordinary female breeder, and the Sisterhood's long string of failures following the rise of House Atreides points to the absence of such a being in their continuing programs. >One interesting account is the legend of a blessed female child among the Bene Tleilax. It is speculated that, despite Emperor Paul's directives, enormous prices were exacted by the Spacing Guild for transporting the shattered remains of Shaddam IV's court to Salusa Secundus, and Shaddam incurred continued debts with the Bene Tleilax and the Ixians in covert attempts to reestablish himself. Lady Margot's valuable three-year-old daughter may have sufficed as payment to the Bene Tleilax. The existence of such a female child would coincide with the legends of a "mater matrix" that began to develop among the Bene Tleilax in the early 10200s, a woman who contributed astoundingly virile heredity to their genetic machinations. Indeed, the evolving legend of a parthenogenetically reproduced female of enormous power living on Tleilax persists well through the reign of the God Emperor Leto II. These tales, undoubtedly exaggerated over the ages, tell of her breeding with the ghola Hayt and subsequent Duncan Idaho gholas, her planned union with the young Leto II, and most intriguingly, her direct identification with or relation to the Ixian production of Hwi Noree, the beloved of Leto II.
Dune Messiah and Children of Dune are all about how Paul ruined everything and he's the worst thing to ever happen to the universe. He leaves untold death and destruction in his wake and suffers immensely before he's stabbed to death as a blasphemer against his own religion
God Emperor rules, I gave up on Heretics halfway through.
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Yeah, you've got to get into the whole super-solider Miles Tegg thing to read beyond it. And also Duncan's weird shit. It got boring for me as well. Some wild sexy stuff is peppered in sometimes too.
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>Some wild sexy stuff is peppered in sometimes too.
I love how coombrained Frank gets as the series progresses
>Hot young 15 year old Alia does naked swordfighting training, before Paul and Stilgar walk in on her, Stilgar is so turned on he says that she MUST be married soon or Fremen competing for the chance to bed her will cause problems >This hot young 15 year old in the next chapter starts sucking face with the resurrected corpse of a man three times her age >Details of Leto II beefswelling even though he's 10 years old >The Duncan climbing a wall is so arousing a Fish Speaker literally has an orgasm on the spot >All the bizarre stuff with Honored Matre pussy being so good they can literally mind control men with it
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It was a lot of fun to read these novels. I was between the ages of 17-19 at the time.
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For me, Heretics and Chapterhouse are my favorites in the series. God Emperor is in third place.
Everyone knew the Preacher was Muad'dib, the point is that the cult of Muad'dib became an institution that was more concerned with protecting its own interests than adhering to any sort of moral truth. Muad'dib himself was just a symbol to be exploited by the priesthood, the teachings of the man himself were immaterial and he was discarded when he no longer served Alia and the Qizarate's interests.
>but still, he finally killed Muad'dib
That was poetic yes but its crazy around God Emperors time of rule, Muad'dib legends were still around and even disturbed Leto
He dies knowing Leto will fix everything though (sucks because he will turn into a worm) but still, he finally killed Muad'dib
Everyone knew the Preacher was Muad'dib, the point is that the cult of Muad'dib became an institution that was more concerned with protecting its own interests than adhering to any sort of moral truth. Muad'dib himself was just a symbol to be exploited by the priesthood, the teachings of the man himself were immaterial and he was discarded when he no longer served Alia and the Qizarate's interests.
No he didn't he *saw* the Golden Path but was too afraid to actually go through with it even though he understood it was the only way to save humanity from people like him.
He was a sympathetic coward in Children and Messiah who tried to undermine his own religion
Children was so fricking bad I had to double check it wasn't written by his son. >umm actually there was another path that never came up before now because Paul (the guy who let billions die to save trillions and let his own eyes melted by a nuke), was secretly a b***h the whole time who didn't have the will to do the secret extra good route. >Now I'm going to do the fusion dance with a sand trout allowing me to go super sandworm 2 and singlehandedly obliterate entire bases and my now comically evil aunt. God Emperor is also massively overhyped.
Paul didn't have the courage to do the Golden Path because his prescient vision had limitations. Leto II was better at seeing future timelines.
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Leto II is also half Fremen with the genetic memories of umpteen Naibs so he finds it easier to take a harsh path if it ultimately preserves the tribe (all humans in his case)
The series mostly covers the idea of what happens when either God-mode doesn't matter because the consequences of operating at full God-mode are too unbearable for non-Gods to handle OR when someone does embrace God-mode and the consequences of that when no one around you understands or can understand your motives or reasoning for doing what you do and even though you're a God, you're more like a vessel for your Godhood and can't really even enjoy it.
Nope, it's that if Paul's mom had stuck to the plan and had a daughter instead of a son, the son of that daughter and Feyd would have been the Kwizats Haderach.
Feyd was in the bloodline breeding program, so maybe he had potential to be more than he was, but that potential was never developed like Paul's. Paul had weapons training equivalent or better than Feyd, then on to of that, he was trained in bene gesserit Prana Bindu martial arts, which allows him to react and move in ways that border on the impossible. On top of *that*, he had achieved the KH prescience through the spice agony. Then on top of even that, lady Fenring had used bene gesserit frickery to implant a parasympathetic reaction in Feyd that would cause all his muscles to go limp if a code word was spoken. Which Paul could have used during the fight but chose not to. The duel between Paul and Feyd was incredibly one sided. It was like a blind moronic dyel trying to 1v1 Muhammad Ali. An embarrassing spectacle for everyone involved. The only character who stood a chance against Paul was Count Fenring, because he was equivalent to Paul as he was a *potential* KH, and had BG martial arts training. What he lacked in prescience, he might have made up for with superior dueling skill
Think you better go back and reread that duel. Feyd wounds him with a poison blade and very nearly get him with the hidden needle. While Paul got all the cool powers, it was far from one sided.
The Baron and Feyd are more impressive considering they are up against superhumans with cheat codes. If I remember Paul sees some futures where he loses the duel.
Not quite. Jessica was supposed to give birth to a daughter instead of Paul and this girl would have been bred by Feyd, giving the Kwizaths Haderach. That was the Bene Gesserit plan, which Jessica ruined by falling in love. IIRC Paul had better potential then Feyd and much, much better training by competent and well-meaning adults. Also spice stuff.
What other things does Feyd-Rautha do in his spare time? >Plays with guns.. sometimes, points them at his head.. sometimes.. even without trigger discipline..... >local pets start disappearing >plays music on speaker on the bus.... loudly...
Dune is actually about a rather unknown front of the Fenno-Korean hyperwar where the finns and some greeks got high af in the sahara and started stabbing each other
Spice is actually a combination of cocaine and meth that was produced by the proto-arabs. the finns realised that their aryan wargolems could fight twice as effectively with this mixture and so they sent the Harkonnens (who themselves are finns of the Karelian variety, hence the tendecy too stab people) but the Koreans realised that while a greek might normally be lazy they look brown enough that they could pass for a proto-arab and so they sent them out. the greeks succesfully took over the proto-arab coke-meth production facilites and managed too make the Proto-arabs go on a Jihad against the finns.
Feyd Rautha in the book was a mostly normal and sensible man who had whatever good nature he had left in him beaten out by the Baron's abuse and mindgames
The movie will just make him a generic psycho who only exists in the story so Paul has someone to have a knife fight with at the end
Nope he's constantly trying to kill the baron, gaining power with or without his uncle's games. Killing + sex are how he channels the frustration with all the above.
He's handsome and charismatic and is smart enough to at least appear honorable to win the public over. He's also the culmination of the Bene Gesserit breeding program and intended to be the father of the Kwisatch Haderach. The BG even have one of their members sleep with him as a genetic insurance policy. Of course the moron c**t frickface Brian has the child killed off in one of his shitty shitty cashgrab sequel/prequel whatever the frick shit books.
God damn, what fricking garbage. Feyd is supposed to be beautiful, but they had to intentionally make him ugly because he isn't allowed to upstage chalamutt. That's hard to do though, since the only human uglier is zendaya.
I still don't understand why they made the Harkonnens all look like fricking vampires, it's ridiculous. Why does Jessica look normal and not like a half vampire monster since she's Vlad Harkonnen's daughter?
If anything I can see the Sardaukar looking weird but the Harkonnens should just look normal (I mean besides the baron being extremely obese); it seemed like Imperial families intermarried amongst each other so one house shouldn't all look like mutant test tube crack Black person babies.
I liked DUNC but I'm really afraid Denis is going to frick up some of the weird places Dune goes in the second half of the book, and the increased focus on the Harkonnens worries me considering how lame the Baron was in the first movie.
The Baron is supposed to be a sassy gay queen who can play up the charm when necessary, Denis wrote him and Stellan played him as just a boring monotone bad guy because they were afraid of offending people
Reminder that THIS is what Feyd-Rautha is supposed to look like. I feel like some WB executive told Villeneuve that the bad guy needs to like a "bad guy" or else the audience wont understand.
Reminder that THIS is what Feyd-Rautha is supposed to look like. I feel like some WB executive told Villeneuve that the bad guy needs to like a "bad guy" or else the audience wont understand.
he has dark hair, unironically timmy would’ve been a better casting for feyd
Why can't we get a single good adaptation anymore? Why the frick is it so hard to just idk read the fricking book, make sketches based on the fricking book, then make costumes based on the fricking book, then cast people BASED ON THE FRICKING BOOK
Don't give a frick, she's miscast
This is a heavily visual medium, the movie is an adaptation, and the character is well described in the book
I'd be b***hing if they switched a woman to a man or a black to white, because I love books, but somehow that never fricking happens hhhmmmmmmmmm
I think he just hovered around the baron, he looked like a weird pale gimp I don't even recall if they gave him the sapho-stained lips
I loved Piter so much in the books
I think he just hovered around the baron, he looked like a weird pale gimp I don't even recall if they gave him the sapho-stained lips
I loved Piter so much in the books
are we seriously pretending that Piter amounted to much of anything in the book and that DUNC in Piter basically just being the Baron's sidekick and cheerleader isn't the exact same role he played in 84?
Yeah, he wanted to frick Jessica, and the Baron offers him a phony deal to let him govern Arrakis, but that never really amounts to anything and can be easily excised from a film with limited runtime
Piter demonstrates how the Baron manages his subjects. Piter had an addiction to spice, and piter had ambition of station. His lust for Jessica was just the lust for a Duke's woman. When the Baron offers him the choice between Jessica and governorship, he picks the latter, as the Baron expects, because the Baron is adept at reading what people truly want then using it as leverage to control them.
>Why does this matter?
Because Paul is the Baron's grandson and ends up synthesizing that technique with that of his Atreides bloodline: propaganda and cults of personality. That successful blending is ultimately how he wins: he gains mastery of the Fremen by posing as their messiah, then he gains mastery of the Guild by holding their spice addiction ransom.
he goes to the sardaukar planet to say AS YOU KNOW, WE WANT YOUR MEN BECAUSE OUR MEN SUCK COMPARED TO THE ATREIDES SO PLEASE SECRETLY BACK UP OUR TROOPS, AS WAS THE PLAN YOU ALREADY KNEW
it's Piter there, on Salusa Secunda, even though traveling between planets is a big fricking deal and the Sardaukar already knew the plan and he had no reason to go other than to provide exposition for the audience.
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It's also the only thing he does in the movie at all other than die, his character could have been written out entirely
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this is the epic throat-singing scene everyone hyped up?
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>elite of the fricking elites >jobs to sandBlack folk
That one illustration of him pondering the diamond globe is kino.
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It is.
Honestly the Baron is probably the best character in the book.
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I love the scenes where he's on the back foot with the Sardaukar officer on Arrakis and Fenring's visit
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Those are great ones. And his paranoia that all the Sardaukar officers resemble Leto Atreides is a nice touch.
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He's well aware that he is the junior accomplice in a huge crime and that the logical choice for the Emperor is to dispose of him if it can be done without blowback
He is supposed to be an offworlder who blends in completely with other Imperial personnel but is secretly adopted into and leading the Fremen
He should look like he doesn't belong in the desert
They're mostly just dumbasses who get played by everyone else. Every other faction either manipulates them into doing exactly what they want or easily defeats them. Other than that it's mostly just the Baron raping and murdering young boys, or Feyd-Rautha raping women and murdering adult men (the most noble and honorable specimen ever produced by House Harkonnen)
The House of Harkonnen was disgraced after the Butlerian Jihad for failing to make a critical strike against a planet. House Atreides did the deed when House Harkonnen refused. The Atreides were rewarded for loyalty, and the Harkonnens were shamed for failure and cowardice. This became a blood feud that spanned generations.
The Baron never seems to be going after Duke Atreides solely to keep Arrakis. He absolutely hates the Atreides. As if he hates them instinctively. It seems to be a long-standing bloodfeud.
It makes sense tho. The feud had to start someplace.
literally everything Brian and KJA wrote is moronic and makes the setting of Dune a smaller, dumber place, and at times directly contradicts what Frank wrote.
literally the most moronic thing they ever wrote. The Jihad was not a war against Skynet, it was a war against human complacency and intellectual stagnation
Reminder that the Baron's plan was to ingratiate himself with the Emperor to the point where Irulan marrying Feyd became possible. So Feyd can't be an albino freaky deaky
Paulina would be embraced by the Bene Gesserit and schooled off-world in B.G. schools. She would be indoctrinated and made loyal to the sisterhood. Until she was trained enough to go and seduce Feyd.
another good question is why Leto and Jessica wait 14 years before she had another baby. she could have been pumping out daughters to keep the BG happy and a few sons to secure the Atreides line
the dune aesthetic is breathtaking and pleasant. however, the plot didn't buy me. It's a drawn-out, hazy story. When something finally happens, it is the end and we are left with no real outcome. This applies to both the film and the book. I thought about giving the second book in the trilogy a chance, but I think it follows the same rhythm.
The second book, Messiah, pretty much subverts the entire first book and works great as an ending. It was meant to be the original ending but the publisher didn't want Dune to be like 1600 pages long.
Jessica's pregnancy was a plot point in the first film and Denis says he wants to do a Messiah film, so Alia is definitely in the movie in some capacity, just being kept secret
If any character is getting cut it's probably Leto II the First
>1984 has the best paul, jessica and chani >tv series has the best vladimir and the best (the only) leto ii >dunc has the best duke leto
1984 also has the best visuals with the iconic stilsuits and sandworms.
The TV series was very comfy in a "cheap-2000s-tv-shlock" with the weird digital camera look.
DUNC has the worst casting out of all of them and the shittiest visuals.
None of the versions has gotten the Fremen eyes right.
>Feyd is described as insanely attractive and groomed so that the Baron can prop him up as the savior of Arrakis. He's specifically made to be the antithesis of the Baron and the bloodthirsty Rabban >cast this
Villememe is a fricking joke
It was from a dream one of the first Fishspeakers explained to the God Emperor. She dreamed she was talking to a fish, and by communicating, she gained insight and wisdom.
heard a podcaster praising margot robbie's harley quinn because she licks prison bars in a scene, saying "bro do you know how many germs are in those bars? you can see she's fricking insane bro"
What was up with Frank's hard-on for Duncan Idaho? In the first books he's just a side character lackey, but his pretty much the main character from every book onwards.
The first clone in Messiah is great, exploring the question of identity, memory and genetic destiny. GE then goes full moron and it's downhill from there. Cloning Thufir would be a much better option.
DI is a good, very competent man but he's susceptible to looking to a leader to direct him and tell him what to do. Leto II is at war with that tendency in humanity so having one around is useful
Somebody, post the most hilarious Idaho gholas from that one Dune encyclopedia.
I found a copy of that in really good condition for only $10 in a used bookstore about a year before the movie came out. I didn't know how much it was worth and regret not buying it. I could have easily flipped it on eBay for a few hundred.
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Oh, yeah. Those are pretty rare. There's still a pdf floating around you can download tho.
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I read up to God Emperor in high school and had lost my interest before then. Maybe it's better that I left it because I would have just skimmed and sold. If a fan found it it probably made his month.
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Indeed. I'm sure some uber-nerd found it and creamed his pants when he bought it for ten bucks.
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>creamed his pants
Way to ruin my happy though lol
DI is a good, very competent man but he's susceptible to looking to a leader to direct him and tell him what to do. Leto II is at war with that tendency in humanity so having one around is useful
>Momoa is perfect casting
How can he play Hayt-Duncan in Messiah? The guy that Alia, an incredibly perspicacious being herself, is perplexed by. He's a meathead with zero range
Three scenes I wished any of the movies (disregarding the miniseries for now) would include:
1. The banquet scene: establish the society on Arrakis and the smuggler subplot
2. The Baron using artillery to seal the surviving Atreides fighting men in the caves of the Shield Wall mountains
3. Thufir Hawat meeting with Fremen the morning after the attack, discussing the Fremen capture of the artillery piece, and the subsequent Sardaukar attack
>eugenics, literaly reffered to as 'breeding', as well as other aquired biological differences betveen individual and populations, is half of what the entire dunewerse is even all about >no one in the dunewerse is equal, down to the cellular level, and this is largely hereditary, and crutial to the storyline >there is barely any mention of it in the movies, and it dosent factor in in any way at all
But its literaly half the whole story, the main stuff like spice and worms and space navigation and whatever are mostly just superficial, same as in the book it makes no real difference if they fight with knives, guns or chainswords its just a gimmic
Dune is too dense to be adequately filmed. They have to cram in so much worldbuilding and exposition as it is...they could explore that theme more if they ever make the sequels but odds are it would just filter mainstream audiences and the movie would bomb. You can't do that kind of stuff in movies that need to hit the $400 million mark just to break even.
They could do it in a got type series, they could even expand on sidecaracters and backround and so on, slide betveem places and time periods to explain and deepen the thing
Wilenuves dune is just a sci fy adventure, it simply isnt dune, its just vaguely based on the plot and general tropes
Dune is too dense to be adequately filmed. They have to cram in so much worldbuilding and exposition as it is...they could explore that theme more if they ever make the sequels but odds are it would just filter mainstream audiences and the movie would bomb. You can't do that kind of stuff in movies that need to hit the $400 million mark just to break even.
Game of Thones beat Dune to the punch. Dune could have as popular if a BIG company like HBO put the money up for a full series. Maybe HBO's Dune: The Sisterhood will jump on that. Time will tell.
But its literaly half the whole story, the main stuff like spice and worms and space navigation and whatever are mostly just superficial, same as in the book it makes no real difference if they fight with knives, guns or chainswords its just a gimmic
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They could do it in a got type series, they could even expand on sidecaracters and backround and so on, slide betveem places and time periods to explain and deepen the thing
Wilenuves dune is just a sci fy adventure, it simply isnt dune, its just vaguely based on the plot and general tropes
There's enough there to make many series but I think a lot of what Dune is known for world alienate viewers. The type of stuff they cut from ASOIAF is the majority of Dune.
I guess that's why the producers of GoT felt comfortable with their production: cheaper to aquire than Dune, and spans less novels. I am cautiously optimistic for Sisterhood though. That might be kino.
I could honestly forgive most faults in the new Dune film if the movie was visually appealing to look at. It fails so badly in that area. It just makes this movie irredeemable garbage
>Beyond what appears to be the military superiority of the Fedaykin, they had one further advantage over the Sardaukar. In fact this advantage may explain why the Fremen warriors were so much the superior: While the Sardaukar were warriors who, through a vicious upbringing, had instilled cruelty and pride into their very being, the Fremen were Fedaykin because of their extreme faith in Paul Muad'Dib. Such a difference made the Fedaykin fanatics beyond the pale of human imagination. A skilled warrior who is driven berserk by a holy mission will necessarily overcome an equally skilled warrior who fights merely because it is what his nature dictates. For the Sardaukar, it was the fighting that counted, but for the Fedaykin, only victory mattered. Thus, driven by their loyalty to the cause of Paul Muad'Dib, the Fedaykin were virtually unstoppable. But when, in10208, Paul Muad'Dib was blinded in the attempt against his life, the central reason for the existence of the Fedaykin ended. Unlike that of the Sardaukar, the history of the Fedaykin was brief, lasting less than fifty years.
>INVENTION TO GREAT CONVENTION. The practice of maintaining stockpiles of atomic weapons as an integral part of a House's defenses began when primitive nuclear weapons were invented on Old Terra on the eve of the Little Diaspora, by the "Raw Mentat," Einstein, who was working for House Washington. When Einstein succeeded in his attempts to construct these weapons, two of the first were used to settle a trade dispute with House Nippon. These weapons were of such a primitive nature that fewer than a million casualties were caused by the explosions — but one must remember that the entire empire at this time had only three billion subjects, all on one planet. The demonstration, though unremarkable by later standards, served two purposes: the destruction of two small cities and the threat of the destruction of others forced House Nippon to concede the lucrative Pacific trade routes to House Washington; and possession of the Empire's only atomic weapons gave House Washington the prestige and power it needed to displace House Windsor.
>Naturally, the other Houses Major spared no expense in their own research and espionage efforts in an attempt to equalize their power with that of House Washington. Despite the best efforts of the counterespionage directorates of King George (the first Emperor of House Washington), the secret of how to construct atomic explosives was soon known to House Steel, which immediately began constructing a stockpile and secreting it throughout the House domains in Russia: thereafter, over the course of only thirty years, Houses Windsor (Londinium), Abraham (Jerusalem), Zedong (Khitai), De Gaulle (Zurich?), Ghandi (Indus), and Ul-Haq (Karachi) all had built their own House stocks. It is interesting to note that, even this early in the development of atomics, the Houses Minor were also stockpiling atomics, even though, then as later, a stockpile of nuclear weapons was an expensive proposition. >The existence of stockpiles of nuclear weapons caused warfare to adopt a new complexion in the Empire. Before, when a pretender's House attempted to seize power, the Imperial House would usually destroy the upstart House (as House Windsor did when the pretender Hitler attempted to seize the throne in the decade immediately before the development of atomics), or else be displaced (as House Windsor displaced House Bourbon three centuries before). But the advent of atomics made the total defeat of a House with a stockpile an impossible task, since it was inalterably in the power of any atomic-armed House to destroy any other House. But the Houses soon realized that a House could not use its atomics on an enemy that it could not identify, and wars began to be fought with economic power, terrorism, and surrogates. From the first use of atomic weapons in warfare to the second was a span of three hundred years.
so, literally me?
KINO
Junc really exposed Denis as a huge hack.
Lynch comes out of this smelling like a rose, all his improvements actually were improvememts.
Yes let's explain the entire plot of the movie with some weird space shit sequence and then ruin the lore of the books by talking about a new sonic weapon that house atreides when every bene bawduits are the only ones who can do it besides Paul. Also twin peaks is ass and always will be.
LYNCHED
I appreciate the Lynchian weirdness of Dune 84 but it's a bad adaptation of the source material and the endless exposition and voiceovers are objectively terrible
the movie just starts with 20 straight minutes of exposition of characters explaining the plot to the audience
how else are you going to approach a book that is like 70-80% internal monologues, like really. you also have to understand that his original submission was like 3.5 hours and it was cut down heavily to the point that he removed his name from the project in disgust.
What we got was a good visual companion to the novel, not a particularly good movie. But most people who read the book first liked the movie I found because all of the blanks were easily filled in with book knowledge and the departures from the source material were relatively minimal. Frank himself liked the movie.
yeah man the voice sound guns and milking the cat and Paul being an unironic superhero messiah are really faithful to the book
It would have been cool to see Lynch Messiah and Children of Lynch, as was the original plan before the first one bombed.
I agree. But I enjoy all things Dune. It's so deeply ingrained in my teenage years.
A fellow man of elevated tastes. If you live in Pennsylvania, you are invited to my dune board game group.
Thanks, bro. If I ever make it to PA, I'll look you up 😀
To be fair, it is REALLY hard to adapt something like Dune, because there's a LOT of internal monologue that's crucial to the plot.
That's exactly how the book is too, stupid frick. There's literally nothing wrong with exposition and voiceovers. There's way too much to know about the Dune universe to provide context and way too much going on inside these super smart people's heads. If it were made like you want, the audience would be confused as frick just watched random literally who do who know what on some weird planet, everyone just staring at each other then doing something for who knows why. Lynch's movie was objectively great and you're objectively wrong.
>That's exactly how the book is too, stupid frick
Internal monologues work in publication but they're awful for a visual medium, moron
>here's way too much to know about the Dune universe to provide context and way too much going on inside these super smart people's heads.
DUNC was able to communicate the logic and politics of the setting without having Virgina Madsen literally explaining the plot to the audience before the Emperor does it AGAIN to the Navigator
Yet people still didn’t get it…
I guarantee to any normal person DUNC is more digestible than 84, which was and still is said t o be completely incomprehensible
They literally had to print instruction manuals to be handed out at screenings to try to get people to understand what was happening because 84 does such a bad job of explaining shit to the audience even though it spends huge portions of its runtime just expositing lol
biggest pleb on Cinemaphile award winning poster.
Because it’s so much better to have Paul pick up an IPad and say “Hey Siri, explain the setting of the movie to me.”
Go to bed Denny, you ruined the movie when you put lasers in it.
>you ruined the movie when you put lasers in it.
They're fine in the desert where there are no shields. Beam spam in Arrakeen, where shields are likely to be, is horrible tho
>Hey, Feyd; you fight great. But Paul Muad'dib is a great fighter!
why are his teeth black? or is he wearing a mouthguard
Harkonnens do weird shit.
Wojak cosplay.
he really loves liquorice
I wouldn't fight the Harkonnens for centuries, I would listen to them. That's what no one did.
>A Harkonnen is speaking. Listen and learn
>scrawny timmy will fight this
Chalamet is kino, get over it.
Chalamet is one of the worst casting decisions I've seen in two decades.
I agree entirely.
Paul is a 15 year old boy who's described to be small of frame and have floofy ass hair, is that not timothee chalamet to a T?
Sinewy does not mean an effeminate twig that has not seen a days worth of labor his entire life, let alone be subjected to rigorous combat training as soon as he stopped wearing diapers.
Feyd is at a disadvantage. He's an animal. He never had a chance against a Bene Gesserit trained fighter. Especially one who grew up under the combat training of Halleck and Idaho.
unironically this
the fight at the end of dune is the most one-sided fight in the entire series
>Be Emperor
>Trapped on alien planet, because your forces just got blown up, killed by locals, and eaten by sandworms
>Local Duke cucks your Truthsayer and tells you 'I'm the captain now!'.
>ohshit.mp3
>Hey, Feyd! Cap dis fool fo me!
The Emperor had no options left, and nothing else to lose.
The emperor still had count Fenring , also a superhuman product of the bene gesserits eugenics program, at his side.
Paul actually gets afraid for a bit cause he cannot see the count in visions and is pretty sure he wouldt win in a fight against him. But Fenring realises what Paul is so decides not to oppose him. So instead of that epic bossbattle we get paul stomping feyd in an easy fight.
I wonder what Fenring ended up doing after the Atreides took control of the empire...
>I wonder what Fenring ended up doing after the Atreides took control of the empire...
All there in the only piece of Dune media not written by FH that's worth your time
>counseled his former master through the painful details of setting up the Regency for Irulan, and took charge of preparing Shaddam's household on Salusa Secundus, the former prison planet to which the deposed emperor was exiled.
>Once all of the proper arrangements had been made, Fenring returned briefly to the Court. There he made arrangements of his own: for transfer of his holdings, for the care of Lady Margot's youngest daughter, Elissa, until she reached the age of admission for the Wallach IX school, and for passage for himself and his wife to Salusa Secundus, where they joined Shaddam in his exile
>This companionship ended with Shaddam's death in 10202; the former emperor's health had declined steadily following his exile, and his early demise surprised no one, least of all the Count. Fenring remained on Salusa Secundus — by this time no longer a harsh prison planet, but a world altered to suit the new emperor's description of it as a "garden world, full of gentle things" — until he too died in 10225, having spent the later years of his life in further study of the Bene Gesserit techniques
Thanks, bro. At least ol' Fenring had a peaceful life after the Atreides took over.
>One major question regarding Lady Margot remains: What became of her daughters, particularly the one sired by Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen? A small corpus of apocryphal legends surround the child and its destiny. It is clear, however, that it was never controlled by the Bene Gesserit. As a major portion of their pursuit of the Kwisatz Haderach, the child would have been a critical element in their continued breeding program. However, there is no record anywhere of such an extraordinary female breeder, and the Sisterhood's long string of failures following the rise of House Atreides points to the absence of such a being in their continuing programs.
>One interesting account is the legend of a blessed female child among the Bene Tleilax. It is speculated that, despite Emperor Paul's directives, enormous prices were exacted by the Spacing Guild for transporting the shattered remains of Shaddam IV's court to Salusa Secundus, and Shaddam incurred continued debts with the Bene Tleilax and the Ixians in covert attempts to reestablish himself. Lady Margot's valuable three-year-old daughter may have sufficed as payment to the Bene Tleilax. The existence of such a female child would coincide with the legends of a "mater matrix" that began to develop among the Bene Tleilax in the early 10200s, a woman who contributed astoundingly virile heredity to their genetic machinations. Indeed, the evolving legend of a parthenogenetically reproduced female of enormous power living on Tleilax persists well through the reign of the God Emperor Leto II. These tales, undoubtedly exaggerated over the ages, tell of her breeding with the ghola Hayt and subsequent Duncan Idaho gholas, her planned union with the young Leto II, and most intriguingly, her direct identification with or relation to the Ixian production of Hwi Noree, the beloved of Leto II.
so, does the series ever get exciting or is it all hero on god-mode?
Oh, my sweet child... If you read all the way to God Emperor, you'll find out... Mwhahaha!
Leto spinning Alia around like a helicopter before yeeting her out of a window was pretty exciting
Dune Messiah and Children of Dune are all about how Paul ruined everything and he's the worst thing to ever happen to the universe. He leaves untold death and destruction in his wake and suffers immensely before he's stabbed to death as a blasphemer against his own religion
But then things get very, very... Strange.
God Emperor rules, I gave up on Heretics halfway through.
Yeah, you've got to get into the whole super-solider Miles Tegg thing to read beyond it. And also Duncan's weird shit. It got boring for me as well. Some wild sexy stuff is peppered in sometimes too.
>Some wild sexy stuff is peppered in sometimes too.
I love how coombrained Frank gets as the series progresses
>Hot young 15 year old Alia does naked swordfighting training, before Paul and Stilgar walk in on her, Stilgar is so turned on he says that she MUST be married soon or Fremen competing for the chance to bed her will cause problems
>This hot young 15 year old in the next chapter starts sucking face with the resurrected corpse of a man three times her age
>Details of Leto II beefswelling even though he's 10 years old
>The Duncan climbing a wall is so arousing a Fish Speaker literally has an orgasm on the spot
>All the bizarre stuff with Honored Matre pussy being so good they can literally mind control men with it
It was a lot of fun to read these novels. I was between the ages of 17-19 at the time.
For me, Heretics and Chapterhouse are my favorites in the series. God Emperor is in third place.
kek that's like if someone crucified their own god
in fairness they didn't know it was him
Everyone knew the Preacher was Muad'dib, the point is that the cult of Muad'dib became an institution that was more concerned with protecting its own interests than adhering to any sort of moral truth. Muad'dib himself was just a symbol to be exploited by the priesthood, the teachings of the man himself were immaterial and he was discarded when he no longer served Alia and the Qizarate's interests.
He dies knowing Leto will fix everything though (sucks because he will turn into a worm) but still, he finally killed Muad'dib
>but still, he finally killed Muad'dib
That was poetic yes but its crazy around God Emperors time of rule, Muad'dib legends were still around and even disturbed Leto
i thought he got turned into a big worm?
It's a bit more nuanced than that. And that fate is not Paul's.
Then he fell off a bridge into a river.
this all sounds incredibly boring tbf
it is, people shit on herbert's son for introducing shitty prequels and sequels but the truth is that it was shit ever since the second book
>ruined
He started the Golden Path though.
No he didn't he *saw* the Golden Path but was too afraid to actually go through with it even though he understood it was the only way to save humanity from people like him.
He was a sympathetic coward in Children and Messiah who tried to undermine his own religion
>He leaves untold death and destruction in his wake
offscreen, between novels
>offscreen
That's gay.
use your imagination homie. Dune is introspective and meditative, it's not a wiki article about battle tactics
This. Dune never spends time describing epic MCU action scenes. It's focused on thought, introspection, and cause and effect.
sounds boring and gay i want a movie where he goes super kwizatz haderach 4 and kills an entire planet of harkonnens.
Dune don't play dat. Those details are just footnotes to overarching character development.
Children was so fricking bad I had to double check it wasn't written by his son.
>umm actually there was another path that never came up before now because Paul (the guy who let billions die to save trillions and let his own eyes melted by a nuke), was secretly a b***h the whole time who didn't have the will to do the secret extra good route.
>Now I'm going to do the fusion dance with a sand trout allowing me to go super sandworm 2 and singlehandedly obliterate entire bases and my now comically evil aunt.
God Emperor is also massively overhyped.
Paul didn't have the courage to do the Golden Path because his prescient vision had limitations. Leto II was better at seeing future timelines.
Leto II is also half Fremen with the genetic memories of umpteen Naibs so he finds it easier to take a harsh path if it ultimately preserves the tribe (all humans in his case)
The series mostly covers the idea of what happens when either God-mode doesn't matter because the consequences of operating at full God-mode are too unbearable for non-Gods to handle OR when someone does embrace God-mode and the consequences of that when no one around you understands or can understand your motives or reasoning for doing what you do and even though you're a God, you're more like a vessel for your Godhood and can't really even enjoy it.
It covers a lot more than that
Didn't both Paul and feyd were qualified to be Kwizaths Haderach? This is why villeneuve kind of ruined that they supposed to look alike
Nope, it's that if Paul's mom had stuck to the plan and had a daughter instead of a son, the son of that daughter and Feyd would have been the Kwizats Haderach.
Don't forget that all the Harkonnens are mutants yet Jessica is supposed to be the Baron's daughter and she looks completely normal
They're never going to adapt Children of Dune anyway so I guess it's not that important if they cut that plot point out anyway
>Jessica is supposed to be the Baron's daughter
I will bet you Dirty Denis has retconned that lmao
Feyd wasn't tho. The closest thing to another male B.G. was Count Fenring. And was just really cunning and smart.
They don't need to look alike, but they should both look like absolute chads.
>but they should both look like absolute chads.
>casts a pair of lanky mutant twinks in your path
Feyd was in the bloodline breeding program, so maybe he had potential to be more than he was, but that potential was never developed like Paul's. Paul had weapons training equivalent or better than Feyd, then on to of that, he was trained in bene gesserit Prana Bindu martial arts, which allows him to react and move in ways that border on the impossible. On top of *that*, he had achieved the KH prescience through the spice agony. Then on top of even that, lady Fenring had used bene gesserit frickery to implant a parasympathetic reaction in Feyd that would cause all his muscles to go limp if a code word was spoken. Which Paul could have used during the fight but chose not to. The duel between Paul and Feyd was incredibly one sided. It was like a blind moronic dyel trying to 1v1 Muhammad Ali. An embarrassing spectacle for everyone involved. The only character who stood a chance against Paul was Count Fenring, because he was equivalent to Paul as he was a *potential* KH, and had BG martial arts training. What he lacked in prescience, he might have made up for with superior dueling skill
Think you better go back and reread that duel. Feyd wounds him with a poison blade and very nearly get him with the hidden needle. While Paul got all the cool powers, it was far from one sided.
The Baron and Feyd are more impressive considering they are up against superhumans with cheat codes. If I remember Paul sees some futures where he loses the duel.
Not quite. Jessica was supposed to give birth to a daughter instead of Paul and this girl would have been bred by Feyd, giving the Kwizaths Haderach. That was the Bene Gesserit plan, which Jessica ruined by falling in love. IIRC Paul had better potential then Feyd and much, much better training by competent and well-meaning adults. Also spice stuff.
Paul has literal spider senses and mind control.
It’s not even that he’s just so fricking smart he has predictive analysis.
Both movies skip the whole “holy shit Paul you might be mentant level smart… there’s never been a mental duke before”
Later books are about breaking away from the predictive analysis.
>scrawny timmy will win
Prometheus thread??
now post the edited version
Mom is going to freak.
What other things does Feyd-Rautha do in his spare time?
>Plays with guns.. sometimes, points them at his head.. sometimes.. even without trigger discipline.....
>local pets start disappearing
>plays music on speaker on the bus.... loudly...
I assume he avoids his uncle as much as possible so he doesn't get assraped
Looks like the guy that fricked Sam Hyde and worked in the WH
Won't be topped
>THEN GREASE ME UP, UNCLE
the aesthetics of lynch dune were basically perfect.
They were striking. Dune was the first Lynch movie I ever saw. I was thunderstruck by it. I was about twelve when I watched it.
Too old and hairy.
>your paying me how much for this? Frick yeah I’ll wear that
I just played against a guy named Sting in AoE2 last night. He was a great guy. Hope he is doing well. 🙂
>A guy named Sting
What makes you think it wasn’t just Sting?
He said that he liked the guy, in a way that implies he wasn't Sting. I did say he was my favorite guy in the Dune movie though.
>likes Sting
>named Sting
Sounds like it was Sting
Sting is a guy named Sting.
I think the baron topped him one too many times.
Feyd was the future of House Harkonnen, Vlad needs him hetero not queered up by molesting him
Needs to be made more obvious for todays audiences.
Dune is actually about a rather unknown front of the Fenno-Korean hyperwar where the finns and some greeks got high af in the sahara and started stabbing each other
Elaborate
Spice is actually a combination of cocaine and meth that was produced by the proto-arabs. the finns realised that their aryan wargolems could fight twice as effectively with this mixture and so they sent the Harkonnens (who themselves are finns of the Karelian variety, hence the tendecy too stab people) but the Koreans realised that while a greek might normally be lazy they look brown enough that they could pass for a proto-arab and so they sent them out. the greeks succesfully took over the proto-arab coke-meth production facilites and managed too make the Proto-arabs go on a Jihad against the finns.
Interesting... But I like the one with the sandworms.
Feyd Rautha in the book was a mostly normal and sensible man who had whatever good nature he had left in him beaten out by the Baron's abuse and mindgames
The movie will just make him a generic psycho who only exists in the story so Paul has someone to have a knife fight with at the end
Nope he's constantly trying to kill the baron, gaining power with or without his uncle's games. Killing + sex are how he channels the frustration with all the above.
He's handsome and charismatic and is smart enough to at least appear honorable to win the public over. He's also the culmination of the Bene Gesserit breeding program and intended to be the father of the Kwisatch Haderach. The BG even have one of their members sleep with him as a genetic insurance policy. Of course the moron c**t frickface Brian has the child killed off in one of his shitty shitty cashgrab sequel/prequel whatever the frick shit books.
He was supposed to be Paul's husband
Gaybros, we done got robbed
>MY DUNE!
we live in a sandciety
God damn, what fricking garbage. Feyd is supposed to be beautiful, but they had to intentionally make him ugly because he isn't allowed to upstage chalamutt. That's hard to do though, since the only human uglier is zendaya.
I still don't understand why they made the Harkonnens all look like fricking vampires, it's ridiculous. Why does Jessica look normal and not like a half vampire monster since she's Vlad Harkonnen's daughter?
If anything I can see the Sardaukar looking weird but the Harkonnens should just look normal (I mean besides the baron being extremely obese); it seemed like Imperial families intermarried amongst each other so one house shouldn't all look like mutant test tube crack Black person babies.
Pollution on geidi prime
They're just goths and it's all makeup.
I am quite excited to see this.
I liked DUNC but I'm really afraid Denis is going to frick up some of the weird places Dune goes in the second half of the book, and the increased focus on the Harkonnens worries me considering how lame the Baron was in the first movie.
The Baron is supposed to be a sassy gay queen who can play up the charm when necessary, Denis wrote him and Stellan played him as just a boring monotone bad guy because they were afraid of offending people
>chad vs virgin playset
The Emperor's giant golden tent looks AMAZING
Who in the actual frick would buy this let alone preorder it.
You would have to be maximum consoome level
The more you buy the more chances you get to receive a pieces of Zendayas costume.
what a joke
>USED ZENDAYA UNDIES WITH EACH ACTION FIGURE
I can smell monke for free at my local zoo
Monke
you wouldn't frick a monkey
We're not here to frick spiders
>paul comes with his own dilator
Denis is such a gay
Reminder that THIS is what Feyd-Rautha is supposed to look like. I feel like some WB executive told Villeneuve that the bad guy needs to like a "bad guy" or else the audience wont understand.
Every single casting and costuming decision was far superior in 1984 (besides Bardem > Big Ed)
None of the other adaptations, especially Dunc, seem to understand that the Stilsuits need to hold water
Is he blonde in the book? I don't recall his outfit.
I'm pretty sure he explicitly has dark hair
The illustrations from the board game are autistically book accurate
he has dark hair, unironically timmy would’ve been a better casting for feyd
The actor actually really looked the part. Until they shaved his head and made him look like Prometheus. I think you're right.
>bad guys is bald
I'm tired bros
Feyd should be played by a drag queen mf be wearing a leotard in his first appearance
Why can't we get a single good adaptation anymore? Why the frick is it so hard to just idk read the fricking book, make sketches based on the fricking book, then make costumes based on the fricking book, then cast people BASED ON THE FRICKING BOOK
Jodorowsky was going to do just that and he failed after thirty years. Don't blame the stupids when the genius can't perform.
>uhm actually it's a good thing that "sandy-bearded" Imperial Planetologist Dr. Kynes is a black woman now, because... it just is!
the insult to injury in making Liet a sheboon is that he was Herbert's obvious self insert
I thought the actress did a good job
Don't give a frick, she's miscast
This is a heavily visual medium, the movie is an adaptation, and the character is well described in the book
I'd be b***hing if they switched a woman to a man or a black to white, because I love books, but somehow that never fricking happens hhhmmmmmmmmm
Best Baron
>tfw you will never be a floating fatman that can just kill gays whenever you feel like it
kino
Best Piter too
did nu-Piter do or say anything in DUNC? Genuinely can't remember, which tells you something in itself
I think he just hovered around the baron, he looked like a weird pale gimp I don't even recall if they gave him the sapho-stained lips
I loved Piter so much in the books
isn't he the guy that visits the Sardaukar planet
Most of the mental scenes didn't make the final cut. Maybe we'll get 'em one day in a director's cut.
are we seriously pretending that Piter amounted to much of anything in the book and that DUNC in Piter basically just being the Baron's sidekick and cheerleader isn't the exact same role he played in 84?
Yeah, he wanted to frick Jessica, and the Baron offers him a phony deal to let him govern Arrakis, but that never really amounts to anything and can be easily excised from a film with limited runtime
Piter demonstrates how the Baron manages his subjects. Piter had an addiction to spice, and piter had ambition of station. His lust for Jessica was just the lust for a Duke's woman. When the Baron offers him the choice between Jessica and governorship, he picks the latter, as the Baron expects, because the Baron is adept at reading what people truly want then using it as leverage to control them.
>Why does this matter?
Because Paul is the Baron's grandson and ends up synthesizing that technique with that of his Atreides bloodline: propaganda and cults of personality. That successful blending is ultimately how he wins: he gains mastery of the Fremen by posing as their messiah, then he gains mastery of the Guild by holding their spice addiction ransom.
What's the advantage of a Teilaxu twisted mentat over a normal one?
He's fricking mumbling coward in dunc. What a shame.
he goes to the sardaukar planet to say AS YOU KNOW, WE WANT YOUR MEN BECAUSE OUR MEN SUCK COMPARED TO THE ATREIDES SO PLEASE SECRETLY BACK UP OUR TROOPS, AS WAS THE PLAN YOU ALREADY KNEW
PITER goes there? Am I misremembering here, wasnt the plot done with shaddam and he just sent some sardaukar?
it's Piter there, on Salusa Secunda, even though traveling between planets is a big fricking deal and the Sardaukar already knew the plan and he had no reason to go other than to provide exposition for the audience.
It's also the only thing he does in the movie at all other than die, his character could have been written out entirely
this is the epic throat-singing scene everyone hyped up?
>elite of the fricking elites
>jobs to sandBlack folk
Didn't the cool overtone chanting make you forget the moronation of that scene? It was meant to!
Why couldn't they just have the baron talk more?
If they're going to rely on exposition, he has some great exposition in the book.
That one illustration of him pondering the diamond globe is kino.
It is.
Honestly the Baron is probably the best character in the book.
I love the scenes where he's on the back foot with the Sardaukar officer on Arrakis and Fenring's visit
Those are great ones. And his paranoia that all the Sardaukar officers resemble Leto Atreides is a nice touch.
He's well aware that he is the junior accomplice in a huge crime and that the logical choice for the Emperor is to dispose of him if it can be done without blowback
why is this so hot?
Gross gigachad who has any boy he wants. Gay Harvey: power is aphrodisiac.
Because you're a slaaneshi piece of catshit.
What is the best adaptation of Dune?
>asks what's the best adaptation
>while posting the best adaptation
Yer a cheeky c**t, but I'll let this slide.
honestly I didn't even think about the fact that Kynes was a black woman. my brain just went
>homie living in the desert? makes sense
and that was it
He is supposed to be an offworlder who blends in completely with other Imperial personnel but is secretly adopted into and leading the Fremen
He should look like he doesn't belong in the desert
>He is supposed to be an offworlder
Liet is half Fremen, lorelet
why are the Harkonnens so evil anyways?
They're mostly just dumbasses who get played by everyone else. Every other faction either manipulates them into doing exactly what they want or easily defeats them. Other than that it's mostly just the Baron raping and murdering young boys, or Feyd-Rautha raping women and murdering adult men (the most noble and honorable specimen ever produced by House Harkonnen)
They are introduced to you in the books by the Atredies master of propaganda.
Really makes you think.
But for real, the Harkonnen method of control employs addiction, something which is bound to produce desperate cutthroat nogoodnicks.
What's semuta like bros? What's the best track to listen to under the influence?
The House of Harkonnen was disgraced after the Butlerian Jihad for failing to make a critical strike against a planet. House Atreides did the deed when House Harkonnen refused. The Atreides were rewarded for loyalty, and the Harkonnens were shamed for failure and cowardice. This became a blood feud that spanned generations.
>Sonslop
Not canon
It makes sense tho. The feud had to start someplace.
yeah but a 10k year old feud? the empire would have broken apart by the time of the book if people kept grudges that long
Doesn't a feud between the two most powerful houses (aside from Corrino) makes enough sense?
The Baron never seems to be going after Duke Atreides solely to keep Arrakis. He absolutely hates the Atreides. As if he hates them instinctively. It seems to be a long-standing bloodfeud.
literally everything Brian and KJA wrote is moronic and makes the setting of Dune a smaller, dumber place, and at times directly contradicts what Frank wrote.
I agree, but I still enjoyed reading the House trilogy and the Jihad trilogy. For me, it filled in a lot of lore gaps
>Jihad trilogy
literally the most moronic thing they ever wrote. The Jihad was not a war against Skynet, it was a war against human complacency and intellectual stagnation
I literally clean a knife I just used with my tongue before putting it in the dishwasher
WhAt?!?? Oooo aaaaa
> This is the kid with genes so precious that the Bene Gesserits sent a top agent to get knocked up by him that I was telling you about
DUNC is shit
idk man he looks evolved as frick but like I am not sure he's evolving in a good direction
That the guy from Prometheus?
Reminder that the Baron's plan was to ingratiate himself with the Emperor to the point where Irulan marrying Feyd became possible. So Feyd can't be an albino freaky deaky
Will they show more of that weird bdsm spider thing?
I hope not. The Teilaxu do that shit, not the Harkonnens.
Haaland got into acting? Damn that kid is talented.
Imagine Bautista with curly red hair
unironically how the frick did the bene gesserit intend to make Leto marry Paulina too the Harkonnens?
Paulina would be embraced by the Bene Gesserit and schooled off-world in B.G. schools. She would be indoctrinated and made loyal to the sisterhood. Until she was trained enough to go and seduce Feyd.
another good question is why Leto and Jessica wait 14 years before she had another baby. she could have been pumping out daughters to keep the BG happy and a few sons to secure the Atreides line
Maybe Leto was still considering taking the Telilaxu proposal to get his first son back.
???
Paul is the one who has his first son die, not Duke Leto
Not in the prequels.
>prequels
haram
you wear a collar and have no posterity
It's old hat now but reading them at the time no-ships and no-spheres were cool as frick
nuinternet is so gay
the dune aesthetic is breathtaking and pleasant. however, the plot didn't buy me. It's a drawn-out, hazy story. When something finally happens, it is the end and we are left with no real outcome. This applies to both the film and the book. I thought about giving the second book in the trilogy a chance, but I think it follows the same rhythm.
The second book, Messiah, pretty much subverts the entire first book and works great as an ending. It was meant to be the original ending but the publisher didn't want Dune to be like 1600 pages long.
>they are going to have Spider-Man’s gf kill the Baron
Either that or they are gonna cgi Alia. I don’t like either option.
>Alia
Has she even been cast? Who's playing her?
Jessica's pregnancy was a plot point in the first film and Denis says he wants to do a Messiah film, so Alia is definitely in the movie in some capacity, just being kept secret
If any character is getting cut it's probably Leto II the First
>just being kept secret
y tho?
w...woah
surely he'll be a threat to Timothé Chalamet !
>1984 has the best paul, jessica and chani
>tv series has the best vladimir and the best (the only) leto ii
>dunc has the best duke leto
1984 also has the best visuals with the iconic stilsuits and sandworms.
The TV series was very comfy in a "cheap-2000s-tv-shlock" with the weird digital camera look.
DUNC has the worst casting out of all of them and the shittiest visuals.
None of the versions has gotten the Fremen eyes right.
The Duncithopters rock though
Why are they all albinos
For the same reason Liet is a Black person woman.
Because VilleBlack person is a moronic hack
True
white people bad
>Feyd is described as insanely attractive and groomed so that the Baron can prop him up as the savior of Arrakis. He's specifically made to be the antithesis of the Baron and the bloodthirsty Rabban
>cast this
Villememe is a fricking joke
Austin Butler is handsome, they just made all the Harkonnens mutants
>Villememe is a fricking joke
>vellebeuve is a hack
Seethe all you like DUNCgay, he's shit
Go back to Cube-ACK!, Penis Willyknew.
Imagine being not only Canadian but Fr*nch too. A fate worse than death.
Truth of tripsatan. How ridiculous will Rabban have to be in comparison?
the aesthetics and soundtrack of Lynch's dune will never be topped
What's the QRD on the name "Fish Speakers?"
Is that a "vegana smells like fish" joke?
I'm pretty sure the tyrant worm explains it in detail
It was from a dream one of the first Fishspeakers explained to the God Emperor. She dreamed she was talking to a fish, and by communicating, she gained insight and wisdom.
heard a podcaster praising margot robbie's harley quinn because she licks prison bars in a scene, saying "bro do you know how many germs are in those bars? you can see she's fricking insane bro"
Does that podcaster have AIDS?
not but he's uniorically an obese cuck
What was up with Frank's hard-on for Duncan Idaho? In the first books he's just a side character lackey, but his pretty much the main character from every book onwards.
>muh duncan
god I hate that character
The first clone in Messiah is great, exploring the question of identity, memory and genetic destiny. GE then goes full moron and it's downhill from there. Cloning Thufir would be a much better option.
Somebody, post the most hilarious Idaho gholas from that one Dune encyclopedia.
I want a sperg Duncan movie
Just cut to the chase. All these threads get to this point eventually...
Please tell me Brian wrote this shit
No. It's in the encyclopedia.
I found a copy of that in really good condition for only $10 in a used bookstore about a year before the movie came out. I didn't know how much it was worth and regret not buying it. I could have easily flipped it on eBay for a few hundred.
Oh, yeah. Those are pretty rare. There's still a pdf floating around you can download tho.
I read up to God Emperor in high school and had lost my interest before then. Maybe it's better that I left it because I would have just skimmed and sold. If a fan found it it probably made his month.
Indeed. I'm sure some uber-nerd found it and creamed his pants when he bought it for ten bucks.
>creamed his pants
Way to ruin my happy though lol
>murdering a trannie who only "passes" due to the "whimsy" of observers
Based worm.
DI is a good, very competent man but he's susceptible to looking to a leader to direct him and tell him what to do. Leto II is at war with that tendency in humanity so having one around is useful
Duncan has some quality of character that the God Emperor covets. It's never completely explained. But Duncan is unique in some way.
Idaho, you sick frick....
giwtwm
Momoa is perfect casting
>Momoa is perfect casting
How can he play Hayt-Duncan in Messiah? The guy that Alia, an incredibly perspicacious being herself, is perplexed by. He's a meathead with zero range
Easily the best Duncan
Children of Dune? More like Children of Duncan
Dunc, not comfy
Dune, comfy, pic related
>no Paula Atredies alternate time line who gets PLAP PLAP PLAP’d by Feyd
Three scenes I wished any of the movies (disregarding the miniseries for now) would include:
1. The banquet scene: establish the society on Arrakis and the smuggler subplot
2. The Baron using artillery to seal the surviving Atreides fighting men in the caves of the Shield Wall mountains
3. Thufir Hawat meeting with Fremen the morning after the attack, discussing the Fremen capture of the artillery piece, and the subsequent Sardaukar attack
>eugenics, literaly reffered to as 'breeding', as well as other aquired biological differences betveen individual and populations, is half of what the entire dunewerse is even all about
>no one in the dunewerse is equal, down to the cellular level, and this is largely hereditary, and crutial to the storyline
>there is barely any mention of it in the movies, and it dosent factor in in any way at all
You can never show eugenics in a positive light in media.
But its literaly half the whole story, the main stuff like spice and worms and space navigation and whatever are mostly just superficial, same as in the book it makes no real difference if they fight with knives, guns or chainswords its just a gimmic
They could do it in a got type series, they could even expand on sidecaracters and backround and so on, slide betveem places and time periods to explain and deepen the thing
Wilenuves dune is just a sci fy adventure, it simply isnt dune, its just vaguely based on the plot and general tropes
Dune is too dense to be adequately filmed. They have to cram in so much worldbuilding and exposition as it is...they could explore that theme more if they ever make the sequels but odds are it would just filter mainstream audiences and the movie would bomb. You can't do that kind of stuff in movies that need to hit the $400 million mark just to break even.
Game of Thones beat Dune to the punch. Dune could have as popular if a BIG company like HBO put the money up for a full series. Maybe HBO's Dune: The Sisterhood will jump on that. Time will tell.
There's enough there to make many series but I think a lot of what Dune is known for world alienate viewers. The type of stuff they cut from ASOIAF is the majority of Dune.
I guess that's why the producers of GoT felt comfortable with their production: cheaper to aquire than Dune, and spans less novels. I am cautiously optimistic for Sisterhood though. That might be kino.
Why would it alienate wievers?
The RM Mohaim visit to Caladan in dunc sucks compared to Dune84. Paul and the old bat should part with some mutual respect for each other
Why didn't Farad'n tell Leto that he couldn't breed e-girl Ghanima because he's not a sick frick?
>Here's my beautiful twink nephew that's the focus of my lust.
Worse than sting in the futuristic speedo.
I could honestly forgive most faults in the new Dune film if the movie was visually appealing to look at. It fails so badly in that area. It just makes this movie irredeemable garbage
I'm just waiting till AI can do a full length Pennington Dune
"Trilogy." lmao
GEOD isn't canon
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>Beyond what appears to be the military superiority of the Fedaykin, they had one further advantage over the Sardaukar. In fact this advantage may explain why the Fremen warriors were so much the superior: While the Sardaukar were warriors who, through a vicious upbringing, had instilled cruelty and pride into their very being, the Fremen were Fedaykin because of their extreme faith in Paul Muad'Dib. Such a difference made the Fedaykin fanatics beyond the pale of human imagination. A skilled warrior who is driven berserk by a holy mission will necessarily overcome an equally skilled warrior who fights merely because it is what his nature dictates. For the Sardaukar, it was the fighting that counted, but for the Fedaykin, only victory mattered. Thus, driven by their loyalty to the cause of Paul Muad'Dib, the Fedaykin were virtually unstoppable. But when, in10208, Paul Muad'Dib was blinded in the attempt against his life, the central reason for the existence of the Fedaykin ended. Unlike that of the Sardaukar, the history of the Fedaykin was brief, lasting less than fifty years.
>INVENTION TO GREAT CONVENTION. The practice of maintaining stockpiles of atomic weapons as an integral part of a House's defenses began when primitive nuclear weapons were invented on Old Terra on the eve of the Little Diaspora, by the "Raw Mentat," Einstein, who was working for House Washington. When Einstein succeeded in his attempts to construct these weapons, two of the first were used to settle a trade dispute with House Nippon. These weapons were of such a primitive nature that fewer than a million casualties were caused by the explosions — but one must remember that the entire empire at this time had only three billion subjects, all on one planet. The demonstration, though unremarkable by later standards, served two purposes: the destruction of two small cities and the threat of the destruction of others forced House Nippon to concede the lucrative Pacific trade routes to House Washington; and possession of the Empire's only atomic weapons gave House Washington the prestige and power it needed to displace House Windsor.
>Naturally, the other Houses Major spared no expense in their own research and espionage efforts in an attempt to equalize their power with that of House Washington. Despite the best efforts of the counterespionage directorates of King George (the first Emperor of House Washington), the secret of how to construct atomic explosives was soon known to House Steel, which immediately began constructing a stockpile and secreting it throughout the House domains in Russia: thereafter, over the course of only thirty years, Houses Windsor (Londinium), Abraham (Jerusalem), Zedong (Khitai), De Gaulle (Zurich?), Ghandi (Indus), and Ul-Haq (Karachi) all had built their own House stocks. It is interesting to note that, even this early in the development of atomics, the Houses Minor were also stockpiling atomics, even though, then as later, a stockpile of nuclear weapons was an expensive proposition.
>The existence of stockpiles of nuclear weapons caused warfare to adopt a new complexion in the Empire. Before, when a pretender's House attempted to seize power, the Imperial House would usually destroy the upstart House (as House Windsor did when the pretender Hitler attempted to seize the throne in the decade immediately before the development of atomics), or else be displaced (as House Windsor displaced House Bourbon three centuries before). But the advent of atomics made the total defeat of a House with a stockpile an impossible task, since it was inalterably in the power of any atomic-armed House to destroy any other House. But the Houses soon realized that a House could not use its atomics on an enemy that it could not identify, and wars began to be fought with economic power, terrorism, and surrogates. From the first use of atomic weapons in warfare to the second was a span of three hundred years.
>Again! It is the legend!
I can hear this webm.