Welsh is my first language, same with everyone in my town. It's all you hear spoken in the shops nowadays. When I moved here 10 years ago there was a lot more English spoken. It's similar in nearby towns, too. Welsh seems to be coming back for reasons I don't at all understand
Don't you need to know Welsh to pass the civil service exam, or whatever you people have, in Wales?
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Frick no, you can get by living in Wales by only speaking English. Even places like I described where Welsh is the first language, everyone still knows English. My point is that for some bizzare reason Welsh is more prevelant now than it ever has been in my life. It is obviously too far gone to ever be a required language, but still for some reason more and more people speak it. It is really confusing. I don't mind as I really like using it, but it is still weird
11 months ago
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I wasn't talking about the day to day of living in Wales, I meant if you wanted a job with the government in Wales you need to speak Welsh.
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Oh, sorry. Yes, you need to be able to prove a basic level of understanding. There is an examination of some sort. How often you'd use it further south than Aberystwyth though, I'm not sure.
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this was outed as written by an ai, poe's law and all its impossible to tell compared to actual articles written by 'people' >Encourage women to smell their poop to be more inclusive to Trans women
https://iqfy.com/women-smell-trans-inclusivity/
you ever wonder why you don't get invited to parties
im not saying jornos aren't racist baiting scum im say that article was written by ai as a test/prank, they've admitted to it
https://news.sky.com/story/irish-times-apologises-and-takes-down-hoax-ai-generated-article-12881333
Its really weird seeing white people unironically oppress slightly adjacent white people yet turn around and give brown people every freedom imaginable. England and America are in a race for the most cucked nations to ever exist
That's not what I was implying.
What I'm trying to say is that current England is a israeli puppet while the older one wasn't as they were genociding and activly suppressing white cultures not their own, while modern england willingly went ahead and made itself a paki colony
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>genociding
kys zoomer
11 months ago
Anonymous
>kys zoomer
why?
11 months ago
Anonymous
do you really think "genociding" is a word, c**t?
11 months ago
Anonymous
yes, prove me wrong then moron
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Anonymous
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genocided
Now kys and frick the body.
I know right, it’s almost as if assimilation of neighbouring cultures was an important aspect of nation building for all of human history until the last half century, and country’s attitudes have now changed as they became more democratic and less driven by the strategic goals of despots and oligarchies trying to secure their own power.
Almost as if these formerly oppressed groups of white people also have much to gain from social justice and the enfranchisement of black and brown people as they have done in Ireland and Wales with their languages and cultures being revived
What’s the matter? Scared of raising up your own culture and people because people of color are simultaneously raised to that same level playing field?
Yes. It's a massive waste of time and money. The average Irish person would struggle to string a sentence together after mandatory 12+ years of being forced to learn the language.
There is just no compelling reason to do so and very little enthusiasm for it. It's just an ugly language, and anyone who speaks it will speak English better, so why bother.
I wish I'd been taught French or Russian instead. Large population of native speakers, rich culture, many opportunities. Any Irish language culture is heavily government-subsidised and would not be viable on its own merits.
People like you are the reason the country is a hollowed out, cultureless, corporate shithole with no soul.
I don't understand calling it ugly, it sounds nice to me albeit somewhat guttural amongst certain dialects.
We essentially have absolutely zero culture as a people now, Ireland has almost no redeeming qualities or charm beyond the economy.
It's been that way my whole life. Why pretend otherwise? I didn't make it so.
The only time our culture had value was the Disnified or Michael Flatleyised commercial version. The real deal is too miserable and depressing. What else is there? Drunks with IRA tattoos and rebel songs fetishisising downtrodden victimisation at British hands? Sob stories of oppression under the Church? Plucky Travellers and their proudly insular culture? Culchies fighting over fields? Mystical Celtic shite?
I'm sorry that the language sounds ugly, but that's just the truth. I could listen to French or Italian all day. Those are beautiful languages.
>Plucky Travellers and their proudly insular culture?
This will be the last vestige of Irish culture allowed to be protected. Brits in particular seem to venerate it.
There's nothing more pathetic than hating your own culture so badly in favor of others'
Irish can be beautiful, specially the way it is written looks straight out from a fantasy book
I went to an Irish speaking primary school and I walked Irish in secondary schools because normal primary schools do nothing to teach the language. Irish summer camps mainly teach Irish and that’s where a lot of teenagers get their first taste of freedom so a lot of hardcore Irish advocates do it out of love for the summer camps. The language is tied to nationalist values here too so some people keep it up on those grounds. Personally I think it’s fine to have around, and I appreciate it for giving me handy marks but when I see hardcore Gaeilgeoirs speak it in public or at festivals I think it’s a little forced.
Labhraím (bhuel, táim ag foghlaim), ach níl sé úsáideach nuair a bíonn tú ar suíomh idirnáisiúnta. Tá mo chara is fearr líofa agus bím ag caint léi go minic, agus bím ag féachaint ar Ros na Rún.
Labhraím (bhuel, táim ag foghlaim), ach níl sé úsáideach nuair a bíonn tú ar suíomh idirnáisiúnta. Tá mo chara is fearr líofa agus bím ag caint léi go minic, agus bím ag féachaint ar Ros na Rún.
Labhraím (bhuel, táim ag foghlaim), ach níl sé úsáideach nuair a bíonn tú ar suíomh idirnáisiúnta. Tá mo chara is fearr líofa agus bím ag caint léi go minic, agus bím ag féachaint ar Ros na Rún.
>tfw I understood a solid chunk of this and could at least gloss at the rest.
Thanks duolingo
No it's absolutely shit. But it's all I have time for to say I'm actually trying. They actually had an update a few months back that got rid of all the grammar explanations for what's happening in the lesson. Now it's just memorizing mostly the same sentences over and over and not being totally sure why a mutation occurs or why they're using a particular structure. I've been wanting to watch some shows in Irish but doubt I would even be able to understand the shittest of kid's cartoons.
Duolingo is very much you get what you put into it. They say in their ads that 5 minutes a day can teach you a language, and it might, but it's going to take you 5 years. They use an immersion learning model and that doesn't work if you don't immerse yourself a little bit in it. If you're jus clocking a lesson a day to keep your streak up you're not going to be satisfied with your progress.
Well I know that much already I was more asking about how accurate duolingo's irish is. When the app first started a lot of their more niche language courses were very very bad.
I wonder what the writer would think about the prevalence of skin whitening cream all over the 3rd world…
this was outed as written by an ai, poe's law and all its impossible to tell compared to actual articles written by 'people' >Encourage women to smell their poop to be more inclusive to Trans women
https://iqfy.com/women-smell-trans-inclusivity/
To be fair, Irish girls should be banned from it due to heavy misuse.
They even have the cheap Oompa loompa look when backpacking through Australia, where there is no excuse.
Apparently a lot of Russians used to complain about American movies set in USSR during the cold war that would constantly have israelites with high ranks in the police, KGB military etc. Just didn't happen but the Hollywood writers would think Russian people were all just like the ones in the old New York neighbourhood they grew up in.
The reason nobody speaks Irish because of the education system more than anything else.
I learned Irish for 13 years and French for 5 years. French I can get by and understand what somebody is generally saying to me and speak a few words, Irish might as well be Chinese to me.
From the age of like 14-18 during our 2 big school exams, you learn about stories, poetry etc. But whats the point of it if you can't actually formulate a sentence or converse, it should be a national embarrassment the way the language is taught.
Got a C in my leaving in pass Irish from just scraping by a few key words from the stories and stuff, yet every other subject I was very good at.
You don't know it because you won't speak it. Stop blaming everyone but yourselves. You dickheads constantly try to brag about your culture as if it is unlike any other rural backwater of the United Kingdom.
>it should be a national embarrassment the way the language is taught
This is true for the way language is taught everywhere. It's not self-evident until you get out into the real world, but I've never participated in a language class that wasn't structured like complete shit. It's even more embarrassing once you get to university. I took three years of Japanese; it was only after quitting that and spending two straight years hunkered down and self-studying that I could pass the country's standardized test (I couldn't even pass the lower-level version with the stuff I learned in class). My girlfriend and her classmates took a decade of English classes, and the only ones who actually learned the language were those who studied abroad in high school. It seems like an obvious conclusion as an adult, but even considering the fact that learning a language requires thousands of hours of work, language classes are generally structured around very poorly-planned textbooks and completely fail to prepare students for practical use. This must be especially true for a language that sees so little actual use in the real world, but I'd really love for Irish to make a comeback.
Language classes in schools are an absolute joke, end of discusssion. I'd like to see the percentage of people who do 5 years on a language in high school and come out at all fluent in it, I imagine the number is single digit percentage wise. Frankly the best way to get people not to give a shit about learning Irish is to teach it
These days people think everything is a conspiracy. People speak English because it's useful and it's what people in power speak. There was never a plot to stop people speaking Welsh, Cornish etc.
Brits are famous for pushing English onto people and trying to make savages "civilised". Look at the stolen generation abos.
Irish were always seen as lesser people to the Brits and so of course they tried to get rid of their language and stuff in an attempt to civilise them.
No one outside of bumfrick nowhere in Connaught speak Irish, the English systematically destroyed the language over hundreds of years out of sheer spite at the potato.
Couple that with the fact English is the main language of the planet and there is no compelling reason to speak Irish in the first place
speak Irish
You should watch The Quiet Girl
caca milis
Do they even teach Gaelic in Irish schools anymore?
Not really, the English banned Gaelic in Scotland and northern Ireland
Wait, what? Really?
Yes and we’d do it again too. Having a bunch of regional languages is moronic. Now everyone just learns English and we’re all happy.
Welsh is my first language, same with everyone in my town. It's all you hear spoken in the shops nowadays. When I moved here 10 years ago there was a lot more English spoken. It's similar in nearby towns, too. Welsh seems to be coming back for reasons I don't at all understand
Don't you need to know Welsh to pass the civil service exam, or whatever you people have, in Wales?
Frick no, you can get by living in Wales by only speaking English. Even places like I described where Welsh is the first language, everyone still knows English. My point is that for some bizzare reason Welsh is more prevelant now than it ever has been in my life. It is obviously too far gone to ever be a required language, but still for some reason more and more people speak it. It is really confusing. I don't mind as I really like using it, but it is still weird
I wasn't talking about the day to day of living in Wales, I meant if you wanted a job with the government in Wales you need to speak Welsh.
Oh, sorry. Yes, you need to be able to prove a basic level of understanding. There is an examination of some sort. How often you'd use it further south than Aberystwyth though, I'm not sure.
They completely killed the Cornish language
A very long time ago. No excuse for not learning it since they've had self-determination.
They did it with Welsh as well.
no they didnt
you ever wonder why you don't get invited to parties
im not saying jornos aren't racist baiting scum im say that article was written by ai as a test/prank, they've admitted to it
https://news.sky.com/story/irish-times-apologises-and-takes-down-hoax-ai-generated-article-12881333
yeah in the 1800's, Welsh language lessons have been mandatory for decades for 8-16y/o's and most schools here have Welsh only units
Its really weird seeing white people unironically oppress slightly adjacent white people yet turn around and give brown people every freedom imaginable. England and America are in a race for the most cucked nations to ever exist
it's a dead giveaway that white countries are ran by israelites
Did israelites ban those languages in first place? Anglos just can't admit anything.
That's not what I was implying.
What I'm trying to say is that current England is a israeli puppet while the older one wasn't as they were genociding and activly suppressing white cultures not their own, while modern england willingly went ahead and made itself a paki colony
>genociding
kys zoomer
>kys zoomer
why?
do you really think "genociding" is a word, c**t?
yes, prove me wrong then moron
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genocided
Now kys and frick the body.
>willingly
>it's a dead giveaway that white countries are ran by israelites
This is true, but whites let their countries get hijacked by israelites.
I know right, it’s almost as if assimilation of neighbouring cultures was an important aspect of nation building for all of human history until the last half century, and country’s attitudes have now changed as they became more democratic and less driven by the strategic goals of despots and oligarchies trying to secure their own power.
Almost as if these formerly oppressed groups of white people also have much to gain from social justice and the enfranchisement of black and brown people as they have done in Ireland and Wales with their languages and cultures being revived
lmao what a gay
What’s the matter? Scared of raising up your own culture and people because people of color are simultaneously raised to that same level playing field?
Yeah its mandatory, there's been a big increase in immersion schools over the past few years too
>start teaching it again as they amp up the immigration to 11
I'm sure those somalians and indians are going to learn it.
Its been mandatory since the inception of the state moron
>there's been a big increase in immersion schools over the past few years to
Wow. A whopping 6%. That will show the English.
Yes. It's a massive waste of time and money. The average Irish person would struggle to string a sentence together after mandatory 12+ years of being forced to learn the language.
There is just no compelling reason to do so and very little enthusiasm for it. It's just an ugly language, and anyone who speaks it will speak English better, so why bother.
I wish I'd been taught French or Russian instead. Large population of native speakers, rich culture, many opportunities. Any Irish language culture is heavily government-subsidised and would not be viable on its own merits.
People like you are the reason the country is a hollowed out, cultureless, corporate shithole with no soul.
I don't understand calling it ugly, it sounds nice to me albeit somewhat guttural amongst certain dialects.
We essentially have absolutely zero culture as a people now, Ireland has almost no redeeming qualities or charm beyond the economy.
It's been that way my whole life. Why pretend otherwise? I didn't make it so.
The only time our culture had value was the Disnified or Michael Flatleyised commercial version. The real deal is too miserable and depressing. What else is there? Drunks with IRA tattoos and rebel songs fetishisising downtrodden victimisation at British hands? Sob stories of oppression under the Church? Plucky Travellers and their proudly insular culture? Culchies fighting over fields? Mystical Celtic shite?
I'm sorry that the language sounds ugly, but that's just the truth. I could listen to French or Italian all day. Those are beautiful languages.
>Plucky Travellers and their proudly insular culture?
This will be the last vestige of Irish culture allowed to be protected. Brits in particular seem to venerate it.
and yet we kept ireland in its place because you're all useless, cultureless swine, and we're the baddies?
kek how do you think that culture is going to fair once you get above a 20% non Irish population?
There's nothing more pathetic than hating your own culture so badly in favor of others'
Irish can be beautiful, specially the way it is written looks straight out from a fantasy book
>REAL LIFE IS LIKE MY HECKIN TOLKEEN FAIRYTALERINO OMGGG
What the frick kind of pussy are you. have a nice day homosexual
kys globalist
kys globalist
>Any Irish language culture is heavily government-subsidised and would not be viable on its own merits
how do you think french and russian started
They hated him because he spoke the truth.
He he "gay lick"
I went to an Irish speaking primary school and I walked Irish in secondary schools because normal primary schools do nothing to teach the language. Irish summer camps mainly teach Irish and that’s where a lot of teenagers get their first taste of freedom so a lot of hardcore Irish advocates do it out of love for the summer camps. The language is tied to nationalist values here too so some people keep it up on those grounds. Personally I think it’s fine to have around, and I appreciate it for giving me handy marks but when I see hardcore Gaeilgeoirs speak it in public or at festivals I think it’s a little forced.
An bhfuil aon duine ar Cinemaphile a labhraíonn Gaeilge ar chor ar bith? Ní fhaca mé é riamh.
Labhraím (bhuel, táim ag foghlaim), ach níl sé úsáideach nuair a bíonn tú ar suíomh idirnáisiúnta. Tá mo chara is fearr líofa agus bím ag caint léi go minic, agus bím ag féachaint ar Ros na Rún.
Never thought i'd see TG4 referenced on this god forsaken site
Choniac mé Ros na Rún uair amháin le mo mhamó agus uair eile san ospidé, is clár amadach é!
Robble robble
Cad é faoi "Ros na Rún"?
>tfw I understood a solid chunk of this and could at least gloss at the rest.
Thanks duolingo
Is duolingo actually a good place to start learning irish? It was a great resource when i was learning French
No it's absolutely shit. But it's all I have time for to say I'm actually trying. They actually had an update a few months back that got rid of all the grammar explanations for what's happening in the lesson. Now it's just memorizing mostly the same sentences over and over and not being totally sure why a mutation occurs or why they're using a particular structure. I've been wanting to watch some shows in Irish but doubt I would even be able to understand the shittest of kid's cartoons.
yes, the very first lesson is about beating your pregnant wife
Duolingo is very much you get what you put into it. They say in their ads that 5 minutes a day can teach you a language, and it might, but it's going to take you 5 years. They use an immersion learning model and that doesn't work if you don't immerse yourself a little bit in it. If you're jus clocking a lesson a day to keep your streak up you're not going to be satisfied with your progress.
Well I know that much already I was more asking about how accurate duolingo's irish is. When the app first started a lot of their more niche language courses were very very bad.
>film set in Ireland
I wonder what the writer would think about the prevalence of skin whitening cream all over the 3rd world…
British women are like that too
>too
The Irish are British.
Okay, genius. Explain to me why they hate each other.
may as well ask why the scots hate the english
Huh I wonder why the Irish Times would only single out Irish women for this phenomenon and not any other nationality. Weird, that.
this was outed as written by an ai, poe's law and all its impossible to tell compared to actual articles written by 'people'
>Encourage women to smell their poop to be more inclusive to Trans women
https://iqfy.com/women-smell-trans-inclusivity/
To be fair, Irish girls should be banned from it due to heavy misuse.
They even have the cheap Oompa loompa look when backpacking through Australia, where there is no excuse.
Having a fake tan is just a social signalling mechanism women use that says "I'm lower class and down to frick". It's not that deep.
>film set in ancient Rome
>characters don't speak in Italian accent
>Set in Ireland
>For some reason there is a black
My sister-in-law is Irish and complains about this all the time.
Apparently a lot of Russians used to complain about American movies set in USSR during the cold war that would constantly have israelites with high ranks in the police, KGB military etc. Just didn't happen but the Hollywood writers would think Russian people were all just like the ones in the old New York neighbourhood they grew up in.
Name one movie
The reason nobody speaks Irish because of the education system more than anything else.
I learned Irish for 13 years and French for 5 years. French I can get by and understand what somebody is generally saying to me and speak a few words, Irish might as well be Chinese to me.
From the age of like 14-18 during our 2 big school exams, you learn about stories, poetry etc. But whats the point of it if you can't actually formulate a sentence or converse, it should be a national embarrassment the way the language is taught.
Got a C in my leaving in pass Irish from just scraping by a few key words from the stories and stuff, yet every other subject I was very good at.
Same in my country, English exam is just English, with literature being a seperate subject while local language is 1 exam 60% poetry and books
You don't know it because you won't speak it. Stop blaming everyone but yourselves. You dickheads constantly try to brag about your culture as if it is unlike any other rural backwater of the United Kingdom.
Don't care
>it should be a national embarrassment the way the language is taught
This is true for the way language is taught everywhere. It's not self-evident until you get out into the real world, but I've never participated in a language class that wasn't structured like complete shit. It's even more embarrassing once you get to university. I took three years of Japanese; it was only after quitting that and spending two straight years hunkered down and self-studying that I could pass the country's standardized test (I couldn't even pass the lower-level version with the stuff I learned in class). My girlfriend and her classmates took a decade of English classes, and the only ones who actually learned the language were those who studied abroad in high school. It seems like an obvious conclusion as an adult, but even considering the fact that learning a language requires thousands of hours of work, language classes are generally structured around very poorly-planned textbooks and completely fail to prepare students for practical use. This must be especially true for a language that sees so little actual use in the real world, but I'd really love for Irish to make a comeback.
Language classes in schools are an absolute joke, end of discusssion. I'd like to see the percentage of people who do 5 years on a language in high school and come out at all fluent in it, I imagine the number is single digit percentage wise. Frankly the best way to get people not to give a shit about learning Irish is to teach it
Most people finish highschool in four years. Unless they're moronic.
It's 13-18 here
These days people think everything is a conspiracy. People speak English because it's useful and it's what people in power speak. There was never a plot to stop people speaking Welsh, Cornish etc.
Brits are famous for pushing English onto people and trying to make savages "civilised". Look at the stolen generation abos.
Irish were always seen as lesser people to the Brits and so of course they tried to get rid of their language and stuff in an attempt to civilise them.
See you're just making stuff up to suit your victim mentality
>Look at the stolen generation abos.
Look up what abbos did to their children.
I'd like to learn irish even though I'll probably never speak it besides the occasional trip to Ireland. I just like the way it sounds
Fairly accurate honestly. Dispite Irish being a mandatory subject in Irish School hardly anyone in Ireland can speak fluent Irish. t. Irish
Needs to to taught better. Just like another poster said, I can speak shitty French but havnt a word of irish.
Wish I learned German tho.
>film set in USA
>characters don't speak Navajo, Yupik, Dakota, Apache, Keres, Cherokee, Choctaw, Zuni, Ojibwa, Pima, Inupiaq, Hopi, Tewa, Muskogee, Crow, Soshoni, Cheyenne, Eskimo, Tiwa.
No one outside of bumfrick nowhere in Connaught speak Irish, the English systematically destroyed the language over hundreds of years out of sheer spite at the potato.
Couple that with the fact English is the main language of the planet and there is no compelling reason to speak Irish in the first place
isnt Irish just english with less steps?
You're thinking of American English
Ní hea
And hello to you too, Chinaman.
Completely different things
The Irish were cucked into speaking English.
are you English?
>film set in blizzard-infested Antarctica
>characters have jet-black ebony skin
Æsthetic
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO
2017 just called, they asked for their memephrase back
Mick cope
the 90s called they want their joke diss back