Finally got around to watching Lightyear. I thought it was fine. Nowhere near as good as the toy story films but not as bad as Cars 2.
I really found their choice for the person behnd the Zurg suit very weak balls.
They should have made the rookie from the beginning of the film Zurg instead.
>Not only did Buzz mispronounce his name, but he was disrespectful and devalued his skills.
>Okay bad first impression but at least Buzz is ultimately the dependable hot shot space ranger he heard so much about at the end of the day…NOPE! The next thing he does is frick up the mission, crashes the ship and screws over humanity
>And for a double whammy, let's say that it's revealed that one of the Rookies' close friends and or family died in that crash. The line has officially been crossed.
>The rest of his evil bad guy origin is this: he'd dedicate his entire life to achieve the mission Buzz couldn't. However his proposed ideas get deemed too reckless and dangerous. So he steals a spaceship, finds abandoned alien technology and becomes Zurg and proceeds to go with his plan his way, and most importantly, plot sweet revenge against Buzz.
>but not as bad as Cars 2.
Cars 2 is good though.
Many anons are pretending Cars 2 was good because Lasseter.
>because Lasseter.
I don't like the movie because of him. I like it because you see cars get murdered. Cars 2 is 3 movies in one. And I love it for that
Unironically agree, the opening action scene of Cars 2 is livelier and better than any action scene in Lightyear
Cars 2 is the Bloodiest? umm Oiliest? Disney movie ever made, and it makes it a 10/10
There used to be a series of shorts called “Mater’s Tall Tales,” that were just Mater telling McQueen about crazy off the wall experiences he had. Like, one episode is about him being in a death metal band, one is about him being a daredevil, etc.
It was pretty funny, but it’s something that works best as a short skit. Cars 2 is like a Maters Tall Tales episode stretched out for almost two hours
Except at the end of the tales something would pop up at the end somehow making the take true. Well except for the Tokyo drift episode
Anon
Media has gone to complete shit nowadays
I mean complete fricking shit
I know that Cars 2 might look relatively good
And the fact you'd see it that way says a whole fricking lot about the direction the film industry's gone in the last 10 years
But it is not a good movie
By any definition
> Media has gone to complete shit nowadays
You’re just saying that because you’re no longer the target audience.
indeed. its about mater exposing the health industry and their lies. i say health industry because oil in their universe is basically water/blood
>designs are even uglier with the headgear on
kek
My issues with it:
It's based on a bright, cartoony franchise but looks dull, lifeless and muted. The designs are generally flat and nobody has a memorable or iconic design outside of Buzz himself, who already had one built in.
It completely shafts everyone who worked on or enjoyed Star Command by totally erasing any trace of it in favor of more "serious" modern movie tropes.
The new characters are totally uninteresting and unappealing. They're a bunch of bog standard humans with no stand-out characteristics that make them interesting or fitting with a sci-fi theme.
The film takes it's premise so seriously but doesn't offer much new or unique to justify it. It isn't like this is a brand new type of plot that Hollywood was never seen before.
The race/sexuality angles felt very understated and disposable, like they were always prepared to remove it at a moment's notice. Now only did it feel like obnoxious pandering, it also felt inauthentic.
Pandering is always inauthentic because these companies genuinely don't give a frick.
Lightyear is a drab film with a bori g premise and lifeless main character voice acting.
It had abou zero% in common with ToyStory's Buzz.
The idea has Syndrome vibes, but that’s definitely an upgrade over what we got.
The fact that it’s dull and muted is 100% the main problem, and I’ll add in that another major problem is how small the universe feels. Buzz Lightyear isn’t about time travel, it’s about galactic adventures, aliens, and epic showdowns. It’s supposed to be all the science fiction shows/comics like Adam Strange, Star Wars, Buck Rogers, Star Trek, Space Patrol, and Flash Gordon rolled into one thing. Lightyear is supposed to be that thing that kids were begging to get toys of because it was so cool. As a kid, Lightyear wouldn’t have done that for me.
It’s been brought up a million times, but Buzz Lightyear of Star Command understood the idea infinitely better. I even had the toys for it, because it makes you want them.
>like they were always prepared to remove it at a moment's notice
I don't think you can remove the lesbian scene so easily without messing the plot up
To me the lesbian wife could easily be edited out and replaced with a guy and nothing would really change the story.
dios mio
I just read a synopsis and the conflict makes my head hurt with how poorly thought out it is.
The very fact that the conflict is happening proves the "villain" is right and the "heroes" are dumbfricks worried about nonsense.
And the villain origin just smacks of cut plot threads, or worse, prequel bait.
>not as bad as Cars 2
Cars 2 was kino
>This level of contrarianism
Cars 2 is a guilty pleasure for me but I'm not gonna pretend it isn't objectively poorly written rubbish made only to sell toys.
I enjoyed the space aesthetics.
nasa punk is kino
all i needed to know was that no aliens were showcased in the preview and i lost interest completely
the entire premise of sci fi kids toys is to face aliens, whether they be allies or enemies or both. boring humans are a snorefest for kids because if you take out the aliens, you better have some scenario where the actions of the main characters are based in technical know how and problem solving in a setting where humans have stopped going to war for resources
They allude to aliens.
>It is later revealed that Zurg is actually controlled by a human inside, namely an elderly Buzz Lightyear from an alternate future, who found an abandoned alien spaceship already stocked with the Zurg armor, and simply took on the alien's identity, seeking to use the ship's technology to travel back in time and prevent the Star Command ship from crashing on T'Kani Prime.
that's insanely dumb
>A feared and tyrannical warlord with an army of robots just left his shit lying around, unlocked and unguarded, for anyone to steal and use for themselves
God that's so weak. If Evil Buzz has built it all himself, or had usurped Zurg and taken his place, either would've been better.
They left it vague enough that future Buzz usurping the original Zurg could've been the case. But instead of aliens I think they should've actually taken inspiration from Disney's Black Hole. Zurg and his robots being cyborg humans from the end of the universe would've actually been pretty cool imo and helped differentiate it from Star Wars in a good way.
Oops wrong pic. But Disney lifting ideas from their less successful movies and repurposing them is nothing new. Wreck-It Ralph did that with Tron I think.
Isn't that... the plot of the second Lego Movie?
It only makes sense if they make it more cartoony or if it was outdated shit to destabilize the locals
Zurg has a great sense of right and wrong
He loves being wrong (evil)
This, no kid in the 90s would've bought action figures from this shit.
Disney doesn't do space aliens anymore, just look at Star Wars.
>Nowhere near as good as the toy story films but not as bad as Cars 2.
Cars 2 at least is fun to watch, even in the worst parts falls on the rule that is so bad thats good. Lightyear is not fun at all and is another deconstruction
So the premise of the movie is that it's the movie that Andy and his friends saw that made them freak out to get a Buzz toy
Do you think this movie would be enough to make kids flip out and make Buzz a global toy craze?
Not really. The space ranger suits were really cool, but the story was not great and wouldn't be the kind of thing kids would like. And I say this as someone who was in a theater with 2 birthday parties of children and a lot of families. They were bored by the time Buzz finally went to the Zurg ship. Socks was the only ting really holding their attention.
Kids love watching cute cartoons grow old and die!
The themes definitely outreach what a kid can appreciate, but the writing still had to be dumbed down for them, doing both sides a disservice.
If Obi-Wan shows anything it's that they still consider Vader a star and feel the need to protect his luster.
It's more 2001 A Space Odyssey than Star Wars. Maybe because Disney owns Lucasfilm now Pixar were afraid to make Lightyear more of a Star Wars pastiche as it was set up to be in the Toy Story movies.
Good point on Star Wars, Zurg definitely stayed away from coming off like Vader. I actually got a big vibe of Ratchet and Clank from the movie, I wonder if anyone working on it came from Insomniac?
>Ratchet and Clank
The 2016 remake and movie did feel Pixar inspired but the latter was a lot closer to the original Buzz Lightyear of Star Command cartoon.
It's seriously concerning when I'd rather watch the RaC movie than go to see a Pixar movie titled Lightyear.
Frick no. The movies that made me want to get toys at that age were shit like Ninja Turtles or Star Wars - campy movies with cool creatures and spaceships and shit.
No kid is going to want to buy toys for the grim and gritty sci-fi drama.
>Happy Birthday, Andy, here's that heptapod action figure from Arrival that all the kids are talking about!
>campy movies
Why does no one make these anymore?
For some reason we all look up to artists now, and consider art so essential to our lives that we hold artists to this ludicrously angelic standard, that all art MUST be political, and it MUST be responsible with its widespread recognition, by taking a SERIOUS stance on a SERIOUS issue that it takes very SERIOUSLY,
but only one that is also considered very GOOD by the largest (or loudest) groups of people.
Media that is just plain fun gets lambasted by critics these days for being "irresponsibly ignorant" of "modern issues", and usually won't even see the cutting room at all, let alone have the chance to get pared-down into something edgeless, dull, and safe (see: forgettable), which is what happens to anything non-political that actually makes it to theatres.
Nobody owns Alien or Predator Toys? Come on, anon, you never saw?
no, it was middling at best
>So the premise of the movie is that it's the movie that Andy and his friends saw that made them freak out to get a Buzz toy
No, it's a gritty "realistic" reboot of that movie / tv show that Andy wathed in the 90's
I heard that Buzz doesn't even do anything in the film. He's kinda a background character and the strong PoC female does everything. Makes no sense why anyone in the Toy Story universe would watch that movie and then be crazy about Buzz Lightyear.
it's more like Buzz is competent while everyone else is a shucking and jiving mess
Actually Buzz is pretty competent in this film, even the big mistake wasn’t even that much his fault. Especially by his last big jump there pretty much isn’t anyone left alive on the planet with his skill set and experience as a Space Ranger it’s just that he’s also human and doesn’t make the best choices every single time
It's well balanced. Buzz is flawed in a way that makes sense for his character here. The other space rangers are depicted as pretty incompetent/ and flawed but they grow and help Buzz overcome his flaws in the process. I thought all that stuff was pretty well done. There were no Mary Sues or Gary Stus.
>>Not only did Buzz mispronounce his name, but he was disrespectful and devalued his skills.
Space Incredibles?
Look, this movie takes so much from Up it's almost a remake in space.
It was a strange movie experience. It felt like watching a collection of scenes where almost everything the writers pitched was made, but they never figured out how to thread all of these scenes together. Also they showed so little of the stranded colonists that they may as well have stayed in hypersleep.
It's ironic that Zurg started out as a Darth Vader parody, but now that Disney owns both the Toy Story and Star Wars IPs they don't want to do the parody anymore. Smacks of wanting to protect the Star Wars brand at the expense of the Toy Story brand.
I like mecha Zurg's design but in hindsight it was probably done to distance him from Vader. So no cape.
I wasn't bugged too much by the Zurg twist, but making Zurg's identity Commander Burnside might've made the movie stronger.
>Buzz leaves and successfully jumps through time
>Burnside is pissed and goes mad with power
>He locks down the base and turns it into a military camp
>He kills/imprisons/enslaves everyone in the base and forces them to make advanced tech
>Decrepit and on the verge of death, he creates an anti-aging life-support suit
>Buzz returns and meets the misfits, who managed to escape
>The annoying character was the engineer who designed Zurg's robots
>The old woman led a resistance or something
>Buzz is stuck with them because only they know the inside of Zurg's base.
Throw in a message about justice in the face of corruption and a sharper focus on GOOD action setpieces and I'll call it even.
Yeah Burnside being a corrupt leader who wants to keep everyone on the planet under his control would've been more straightforward and it plays into Zurg being the evil dictator we all know, Buzz's failure would've inadvertently created Zurg then as well. And it would've contrasted with his predecessor who wanted to be a space ranger and explore. Would've been even more meaningful if he was related to Alisha, which I assumed at first for obvious reasons but there was no connection it seems.
There's definitely a lot of missed opportunities there. Also at the end of the film Buzz is talking like they've re-established communications with the Galactic Alliance (assuming the alliance isn't just the colony) and they're going off to fight alien invaders, which felt like a big thing to just throw in there at the last minute considering how grounded the rest of the film had been.
Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking when I wrote that. I also like the idea of him being related to Alisha: that could make the conflict closer not just to Buzz, but to Izzy while working in the "I am your relative" twist from Toy Story 2.
I hope people look at the film and propose their own story fixes a la Incredibles 2. The ideas on display are interesting and all there, but I think the movie needed a little more time to figure itself out first.
I like the general concept and how it gives actual meaning to his name by hinging the plot around ftl travel. The worldbuilding and villain needed to be fleshed out better though. Anyway I might be in the minority since I prefer them moving away from the Star Wars parody thing if they're going to make an actual sub-series out of this, gives it more of it's own identity. I'd like more sci fi projects from Disney because Star Wars has dominated that landscape and I want new takes. I'm looking forward to Strange World for that reason.
woke garbage don't watch. Watch dinokino or jetfightkino. Disregard disney,they have fallen to the darkside.
what are dino- and jetfightkino?
white man are no allowed to be depicted as cool or heroic in modern animation, thanks to liberals everything has to be about strong wyman all the time
>thanks to liberals everything has to be about strong woman all the time
Buzz save the live of a black girl, an old woman and a brown guy several time in the movie.
>ugly dyke just looks like an average dude with the skull cap on
should've just went the predator way and made him a respected rival
>>ugly dyke just looks like an average dude with the skull cap on
You have never seen women without make-up, haven't you?
>white man are no allowed to be depicted as cool or heroic in modern animation
That's basically how Buzz is depicted most of the time in the movie. Take your fricking meds, fricking schizo.
Show that dyke to anyone and they'll say it looks like a dude
>You have never seen women without make-up, haven't you?
Have you?
>literally gets rescued twice by black woman
>literally always gets depicted as acting weird or being stupid while the black woman are always the smart and serious ones
>female protagonist meanwhile literally never get rescued by man or written as stupid/weird while white man get written as serious and competent
>but not as bad as Cars 2.
Cars 2 is based wym
>They should have made the rookie from the beginning of the film Zurg instead.
Well, it has been done before, but not as much as "I am evil you from the future", so yeah. Other alternative would have been the auto-nav.
>but not as much as "I am evil you from the future"
That was literally the plot of the second Lego Movie... and Season 3 of Flash
I have no strong feelings about this movie other than it's glaring proof that Disney and most other major studios are so afraid of trying out something NEW that they'd rather twist beloved classics into something they're not. Even the basic idea of the movie (Buzz Lightyear is a human and not connected to the Toy Story universe and he's voiced by Chris Evans) is fine, but they had to make it Interstellar for some reason? Just make a fricking wacky movie about Buzz fighting aliens in space.
>Just make a fricking wacky movie about Buzz fighting aliens in space.
Why do that when they have Star Wars
Because Star Wars is grim and dark and desaturated and boring drama now instead of fun exciting camp space opera.
I was being sarcastic. Because they have star wars Disney will rarely take risks when it comes to their own IPs such as Light-year
Of course it's the lolabunny imbecile to have shitty opinions
I liked the Idea for Zurg, since it ties well to the development of other characters, and the end of the movie really showed how souless they have become, but I just hated the bullshitted
>I literally just found the technology
I like the idea of making an unironic space thing with Buzz.
If they make an unironic spaghetti western with fricking Woody I'd give them all of my money
I mean really when you think about it
Zurg-Buzz never got the chance to develop into understanding that life was growing on the planet, that was the main issue, everybody had full lives while Buzz just goes in and out within a 4 minute time span, he especially missed the point of Hawthornes message especially when Burnside just barges in and forbids him, cause they probably know how Buzz thinks. Maybe they should've explained what else Buzz was doing after leaving the planet because jumping to him being Old is definitely a stretch but if anything it shows how rotten his mind has become and how Zurg is going to continue to stay as a souless piece of shit. The fact that he easily, with no thought just crushed Time-travel Sox with no remorse shows how far gone he is. He's honestly one of the favorites but it really sucks that they didn't build upon the technology, he just fricking "Found" it
the main running theme was everyone makes mistakes and learns from them. That character didn't. Be it circumstances or willful ignorance
Pretty much yeah, it's more or less a combination of both, because Buzz himself was already shown to be willfully ignorant, it was pretty much a worst-case scenario, never given a chance to see the bigger picture and never given a chance to see how the other characters felt, he was just alone with his own moronic mindset, and it didn't seem like Time-Travel Sox was able to do anything
I thought it was fine for what it was. My only gripe is they didn't have a scene where adult Andy was watching a reboot... they just gave a generic "THIS IS WHAT ANDY SAW THAT MADE HIM WANT TOYS"
I rather watch Cars 2 again honestly, at least it didn't flop this badly
It didnt flop? The theatre I was in was FULL... Had I NOT already had covid last month maybe I wouldnt have been there but from what I saw it was full
>but not as bad as Cars 2.
Cars 2 is a masterpiece.
It was way to Safe and the Villain reveal was stupid even since it leaked, cause Buzz in this movies I was to much of a Good person to turn to Zurg, Star Command Buzz is more believable to turn evil cause be is a over confident self centered full of himself hotshot who is one bad day away from turning.
And yes agreed with the Rookie being Zurg, like the plot of the Incredibles with Syndrome, sure it's a recycled idea but it's a more believable one to go with. they tried to make this as SAFE as possible to not scare off audience, and yet they still frick it up.
They gay shit isn't even a issue since it will be cut off pretty soon and the movie will be shown in the 14 countries it was banned on as soon as Pride month is over, or they take the 150 million dollar Loss they will let it run for three months to get to break even with the 200 million budget.
>They should have made the rookie from the beginning of the film Zurg instead.
Oh yeah, I am astounded that the rookie just... never came back into relevance? What the frick? Most of the movie was a snorefest, I think only things I really liked was the montage sequence of the commander growing old with her family and the marketable cat.
the entire movie's plot could've used a full rewrite.
this diet interstellar with a college student film direction just does not work for a film about someone named BUZZ LIGHTYEAR.
if it was a galactictrotting space adventure where Buzz arrogantly goes off course from the lightspeed test flight and has to return to his colony before Emperor Zurg does to frick it up, while also making alien allies along the way to become space rangers in the third act to help Buzz stop Zurg from invading the colony; leave zurg stranded in deep space (and to hint a sequel) THEN it would've been a movie normies would take their kids to see.
but nope, Pixar's fricking moronic now.
>this diet interstellar
Actually it stole its concept from the 1998 'Lost in Space' movie more than it did from Interstellar.
oh that's even worse! LMAO!
Where is the same sex scene? Any video?
>Pixar: A white guy must be the villain
>Pixar: But we only have one white guy and he's the hero
>Pixar: Ahh, make a time paradox and have the white guy both the hero and the villain!
Brilliant...
>>Okay bad first impression but at least Buzz is ultimately the dependable hot shot space ranger he heard so much about at the end of the day…NOPE! The next thing he does is frick up the mission, crashes the ship and screws over humanity
>>And for a double whammy, let's say that it's revealed that one of the Rookies' close friends and or family died in that crash. The line has officially been crossed.
I didn't see this or read spoilers, but please let me know if I'm right about this:
>Is the moral of the story that white man Buzz repeatedly fricks up and can't get anything done without his team of strong diversity squad, and then at the end when he returns to earth, Buzz gets all the credit and the minorities get none?
>Is this Pixar's version of Hidden Figures?
Reminder that Disney said THIS was the film that Andy watched when he was a kid.
kek