Finn from Season 1-4 turned into Farmworld Finn after making his wish for the Lich to never exist.
That's canon now.
The Finn after that is just a copy made from Jake's wish.
Season 5 onwards is about Fake Finn and his adventures while the Real Finn forgot everything.
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>Season 5 onwards is about Fake Finn and his adventures while the Real Finn forgot everything.
It goes further than that when you account for Fern
It's fake Finns all the way down
>our original Finn got killed by Scarab
adventure time is fan fiction after Pendleton Ward left.
Then It's fitting that everything after season 4 is just AU garbage lol, I think he jumped ship mid season 5
Jake the Dog is a nice conclusion to the series.
I'll die on the he'll that season 1 and 2 are fricking dogshit and that season 3 to 5 is where the show fricking peaked
Frick you
It's okay, gender dysphoria is a hell of a condition, whatever you can do to alleviate it is fair game. You do you, sister.
>anyone who disagrees with my opinion is a troony
At least try, fricking try to hide that your opinion is politically motivated, 2016 ruined this fricking board
>anyone who disagrees with my opinion is a troony
Yup.
Most of the good jokes are in season 1 and 2, the show was way less funny after that.
Honestly season 2 was so good and episodes like Death in Bloom and the Limit are GOAT
Card Wars is a season 4 episode.
Said most, not all
is still funny though
Well anon, I've been looking for someone to suck turds out of my ass and you sound like you love eating shit.
No, its more like an Amoeba.
They split but they're still both Finn.
Farmworld Finn died while protecting 3 complete strangers, would be wholesome if it didnt leave his 5 kids as orphans in the process
he is still alive, his cranium is thicker than adamantium
unless we see him again in the finale im gonna assume he’s dead
Putamadre
teehee :3
So, you consider that a person that's similar but raised differently and in another place is the real one, despite not having done any of things you consider as having been done by Finn, but the copy, even if it was a copy, not, despite having all the memories, appearance, and genetic make up.
Define what makes a person be himself for me, please. I want to see your take, OP.
Fake Finn doesn't have all the memories though.
In any case it's all about continuity.
Finn disappeared into the farmworld universe and since the farmworld universe continued existing that means that jake's wish didn't actually revert anything.
So original Finn is the one who was transformed into the Farm finn
I think you are either deliberately or accidentally ignoring logic in favor of bias.
Again; consider that the person that you call fake Finn, even in the hypothetical that he was fake, remembers doing every single thing you saw him do in all episodes, except the farmworld ones, and has the same genetic make up, which I am pointing out due to the fact that such a thing has an effect on personality.
Meanwhile "real" Finn, doesn't even know Ooo is, nor does he know any of the characters you know or has been raised in the same world or situation. Genetically he is exactly the same either.
If a person teleports, like it happens in the show, then you are destroyed and remade; by that point, depending of how you decided to consider that person himself, he is not longer that person. Further, most of your cells would also be different given enough time, as you use what you consume to form your body. Ergo, who that is absolutely up to you, but logically Finn as you knew him.
So, again, please, if you disagree, don't just say so. Define what makes a person a person.
If you think that since he is fictional an hypothetical continuity is what defines him, then inevitably he simply doesn't exist, since he is fictional and there is no complete continuity.
Which,again, he obviously doesn't because he "IS" fictional, but after all the concept you make of Finn and the associate memories better reflect the no-nose character.
Here's some logic.
Finn makes a wish.
He gets sent into the universe of his wish and become farmworld finn.
Jake makes a wish.
He wishes for the lich's wish to be different.
If this wish actually did restore the original Finn then that would mean he didn't make the farmworld wish.
But the farmworld universe still exists with Finn still there.
A person is all about continuity.
Finn from Jake's wish and the original Finn differ in that there is clear continuity between Original Finn.
Make wish>Get transported and transformed into Farm Finn
Jake makes wish>Gets senst to another universe where he changed the Lich's wish
The original Finn is still in the Farmworld universe.
Nothing Jake did changed that.
That's really no actual logic, you are Ignoring the simple issue of what makes him => him
Think OP, just use your head. Why do you consider that since that happen next he is the same person, despite being different in every way? By that logic if the original world didn't stop existing with the wish, which is something we would be lead to believe on the concept of how those worlds come to be, then the original Finn never ceased to be either.
It's not actual logic, is a fallacy, the idea of logic on the basic of nothing. "Finn asked a wish and disappeared => Now farm world Finn exists, so Farm World Finn is the real Finn:" That's a fallacy, it's a causal situation, one thing does not signify the other. They have nothing in common despite a general look and similar personalities, sorta. "The wish is undone and a Finn reappears => Farm world Finn still exists: therefore new Finn is fake" again,a fallacy.
Get where I am going? The justification you are using is nonsensical. Explain what makes a person a person, if it is "Continuity" they don't actually have it in REAL LIFE (our world), they are fake. They don't have "in world" either, you are considering continuity in illogical way.
But, what is logic in face of bias? at the end of the day, you will believe what you want, not anything else. Remember you are this, please.
This is what happens when you're a materialist.
You believe that nothing but the flesh exists and that consciousness is a byproduct of flesh.
Your closemindedness will always hamper you.
You do understand that what you are saying is enterally unrelated to what's being said right? Because it seems like a really bad way to try to steer the conversation.
but also, I imagine unintentionally and due to desperation, that is an accidental almost answer the question "What makes him, him?" You consider that what's not material makes him, so, leads to the question:
If personality, memories, physical appearance, and behavior, are not indicative of identity, what is the inmaterial quality that you consider to be the indemnity of said character?
Consider that material is not a limitation to this answer that was at any point mentioned, except by you.
That was my answer to you?
By calling you a materialist i thought that would be more than enough to give you what i thought was the most inimitable part of a person.
I really want to believe that you are joking to try and avoid the reality of being unable to justify your ideas. I want to believe that because the other option is even worst.
Logic is not a way to change the world, it's a way to to try understand it. Reality doesn't change, we are ignorant of anything but the most basic and use the limited tools of reason and the more advanced, but equally pathetic and limited, tool of logic to deciffer what is. Humans have a tendency to believe they are their opinion; they protect them as if that was something to be done, something to be proud of.
I like Farm Wold Finn; he is a bad ass, he made a family and life for himself. He has his issues, but he is cool. Regardless we call him Farm World Finn to know who we are talking about, so he is Farm World Finn. If I said Finn, as I did and you did, we are referring to somebody else.
I love logic, it makes people want to avoid reality and I find that beautiful.
I get that you have autism and all but please stop trying to act like some sort of fictional character.
Can't you just write normally?
I speak like this normally, too, thank you.
I enjoy seeing people suffer through cognitive dissonance, that's basically it. The way the answers slowly but surely draw away from the original mistake is just pleasure to me. You are perfect anon, I love you. Never accept being wrong, never. It's what makes the world great, suffering and such, are children of this. Not even joking, if you ever feel like it, just open your eyes and you will see it.
I mean it too, It was delicious. See you never.
nta take meds
>I enjoy seeing people suffer through cognitive dissonance, that's basically it. The way the answers slowly but surely draw away from the original mistake is just pleasure to me. You are perfect anon, I love you. Never accept being wrong, never. It's what makes the world great, suffering and such, are children of this. Not even joking, if you ever feel like it, just open your eyes and you will see it.
>I mean it too, It was delicious. See you never.
Based
on what?
silence, filthy platonist.
you don't know what conciousness is
a schizo knows better than you
That's not the issue. Original finn made the farmworld wish, so that's instance 1 Finn. Jake's wish's finn is instance 2 Finn because even after jake's wish said world wasn't destroyed or erased. It isn't a theseus' ship scenario because you aren't replacing someone or something, you're creating something new.
That's the selfish perspective with regards to the teleportation dilemma.
To you they're the same person, so who cares right?
Which one is the Heartless and which is the Nobody?
>THIS CHARACTER IS NOT THE ORIGINAL CHARACTER BUT ACTUALLY A COPY WHICH CHANGES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
>THIS IS SO DARK
Let's say i make a clone of you with all of your memories.
If i kill you but let the clone go back to your normal life would you be okay with it?
Since it changes nothing?
If you had a tiny little clone of OP would you torture it
yes
because it's a moral good to torture OP
but what if clone fricked OP?
the clone hasn't done anything
What if OP were an alien and waved his hands in your face what would you do hthen
Is it a perfect clone?
>If i kill you but let the clone go back to your normal life would you be okay with it?
>Since it changes nothing?
if you killed me it wouldn't really matter what i think
>if I killed you what would you think of this
I'm dead
The twist only really works when there's a change in their personalities or it's a time paradox situation
That’s fine both finn are basically the same
But this new season of futurama showed that the show takes place inside a simulation, which is completely fine, what is not fine is sending our bender inside a simulation and replacing him with a different bender from a universe above ours
This actually counts as a different bender that we have no way of knowing if he had the same experiences as our bender
Was the Futurama universe created from a Prismo wish or was it like the Flapjack universe where it already existed.
A professor made it and every simulated professor eventually creates another simulation all the way down
Futurama writers lose 10 IQ points each revival so now they are starting to pick the most stoner tier science fiction concepts for episodes and they forget to put an interesting twist on it
What the frick is happening with this new season of Futurama?
this is from the Comedy Central era a few years ago.
I haven't watched the new season but:
>what is not fine is sending our bender inside a simulation and replacing him with a different bender from a universe above ours
so the writers finally have resorted to Rick and Morty AU autism?
First of all futurama already had AU episodes way before this revival, and no they just tackled the “are we living in a simulation?” theme
if they were going to frick up finn to make him fit in the show's style why not just go all the way
I mean, Finn having a tiny/barely there nose is appropriate
>The Finn after that is just a copy made from Jake's wish.
So that's why he's colorblind
wtf this is cooler to me than all of the r63 fanfic universe stuff
Didn’t they confirm that Farmworld Finn is the new “clone” after Jake’s wish. Prismo’s time room acts as an immunity from wishes. So when Jake’s wish to change the Lich’s wish. The OG Lich and Finn were brought back to replay the scene and change the Lich’s wish. Just that the two worlds created by the Lich and Finn’s wish still existed but needed replacements to fill the gap the OG’s left when Jake’s wish to change the Lich’s wish went off.
Yea because didn’t Prismo think the farm world was erased after Jake’s wish? Wouldn’t that imply he simply pulled our finn and lich back from their wished realities?
It's a paradox. The only reason there's two Finns is because Jake remembered the original finn while in the time room with prismo. But are equally finn but only one finn has the original memories
Original Finn makes wish and is effectively killed. His memory wiped and his genetics rearranged, and he is reborn into a new universe (Farmworld) where he lives out his new life. Every Finn after the wish is a fake Finn or a reproduction/recreation/clone aka not original. You can maybe argue that his consciousness/soul is what is transferred over to Farmworld Finn but that still isn't "our' Finn because he doesn't have the same memories.. What makes a person isn't their body+soul it's their body+soul+experiences. Our Finn, original Finn is dead.
It's magic b***h you ain't got to explain shit.
bubby bubby bubby buppers bubber bupper
In 'Crossover' Main Timeline Finn says that one day he suddenly got better at the flute. Farmworld Finn is good at the flute. If they were divergent timelines he wouldn't be good at the flute. Main Timeline Finn is the same one, who got pulled back out of Farmworld after Jake made his wish and retains some of his instincts. Farmworld Finn is now the time clone. Do not try to argue with this, because it is correct.
Is this shit why everybody hated the Amphibia ending?
Why did they hated it, senpai?
It was also how Star Vs ended, kind of.
No matter what it is. I still love my boy Finn.
Is Farmworld Finn dead?
I hope he is still alive.
Is this true ATbros who actually kept watching?
Did Adventure Time really decide to pull a Fugitive Doctor on Finn?
I don’t really no dick about the fugitive doctor I dropped the Jodie era fast. What the OP said was true though.
The long and short of it was that in the span of one episode we learned that Fugitive Doctor had Family of Blood-ed herself to be human at some point and then over the course of the episode we learn more and more that she's a Doctor from before Hartnell, which for a good chunk of DW fans meant that an interesting looking Doctor with an actor who seemed more Charismatic in 40 minutes than Jodie was allowed to be across 3 seasons was wasted by some BS that nobody liked.
Also the Master destroyed Gallifrey again as a meme and turned the Time Lords into Cybermen who could regenerate. And JodieDoctor abandoned a random human to die in her stead, a very Doctor like action.
Sounds like shit I hope it gets retcon’d.
Considering the BBC knows that the bed got shat in so hard they had to bring back RTD, Tennant and Tate, they'll probably figure out some way to make it better.
No, the writers place no importance on farmworld Finn being "the original Finn" at all. This is just autistic nitpicking.
Yeah I think the crossover episode was supposed to imply that farm world finn wasn’t actually the original finn and just a byproduct of the wish that made the farm world and just so happen to be similar to our Finn. It’s why Prismo seemed confused by the Farmworld still existing after Jake’s wish supposedly undid the Lich’s wish which indirectly also created Farmworld. Because the Time room exists outside of time, why would Prismo create a “fake” time room just for Jake to show the Lich’s wish changing.
At most our Finn possibly merged with Farmworld finn until Jake’s wish and was brought back from Farmworld back to our world when Jake’s wish went off. Prismo likes Jake and was willing to bend the rules to help Jake make his wish so Prismo probably pulled back our Finn and Lich from their wished alter realities and didn’t realize “clones” would be left in their place in the altered realities. Prismo probably just never had to grant a wish that directly undid other wishes before and why he thought bringing back the OG Finn and Lich from their wished realities would have erased the wished realities
I still think farmworld Finn is the same Finn that made the wish, though not in any meaningful way since he has no memories of Ooo. I think the simplest answer is that the multiverse has no garbage collection system, any universe that was created stays created and the wish maker stays in whatever universe they wished for, even if time is altered to stop that from ever happening. I dont think Prismo had to pull anyone out of their wished realities, but just altering past events at all created new paths for the same original from a previous moment in time while the other universe persisted. Of course, the mechanics of how farmworld finn and our finn could be connected are unsettled because we don't know the specifics of how time altered realities work, it COULD be that he pulled Finn out of farmworld and another Finn just stayed in his place, but the simplest way of looking at it to me is that theyre both the "original". One linear time path where the original finns actions are split after an alteration.
>I still think farmworld Finn is the same Finn
It's the same soul embodying different incarnations.
Yeah that sounds about right
The main reason I think Prismo pulled “our” Finn back from Farmworld and the “clone” was left behind is because 1. Finn and Jake reenter the time room when the Lich’s wish is made, and that’s supposed to exist outside of time. So time probably wasnt rewind but Finn and Lich were pulled from their altered realities (since those realities are shown to still exist), had their memories wiped of their wishes and just replayed the whole scene giving the impression time was rewind. And 2. Because in a later episode Finn is suddenly really good at playing the flute and mentions he was just suddenly good at it after the farm world wish. So if the Farmworld Finn was “our” Finn, why was the “clone” Finn created for Jake’s “wish altered reality” suddenly developed a skill Farmworld Finn did.
So yea their souls or whatever probably merged for the Farmworld wish and some of their traits were shared. Finn becoming good with the flute, Farmworld Finn becoming more heroic. Then Jake’s wish split them back.
The whole “our Finn is farmworld Finn and current Finn is a clone” is some “Ash was in a comma/Rugrats purgatory” level moronation
rip
Good, frick that guy
I hope Finn is ok