Am I crazy or is this whole Simon should go back to Ice King thing Fiona and Cake is pushing kinda fricked up.
I get that Simon is understandably depressed but it feels like other characters in the show are playing into his own fears and doubts and acting like him as Ice King was the greatest thing ever because he was so fun and did wacky shit, when Ice King was the worst for everyone most of all Simon. Simon only wants to go back because his current life has no meaning in his eyes, which should be the message that way of thinking is 100% wrong, but it seems like the show is pushing that this way of thinking is right? Am I missing something?
Simon and Ice king remain the only interesting thing in this show tho
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Oh it's very fricked up. That is like telling someone to get a lobotomy. I sure hope they don't push for that.
Yeah, felt the same.
Is it too much to hope we get a Simon with ice powers but no insanity? Maybe something akin to the Ice Prince in Fiona's dream?
Maybe they are going to go for the opposite msg and the Ice King thing will be temporary.
What about finding a "fixed" or cleansed crown? He could become the "ice prince"..
I dropped it because I expected more Fionna fanservice and got nothing, at least Harley Quinn and Velma had the decency of having a couple of bare female butts aside from the blood despite both being shit
Since they won't confirm Finn and HW are a couple in the main universe either the OG HW ain't getting any screentime unlike PB and Marceline and that sucks because I like her design so yeah...I'll pass on this show, might check the threads next week just to see how bad it can get and for some reaction pics
What does any of that have to do with Simon?
Only good thing about those shows
im certain that its just giving us the option thats absolutely too easy/clearly incorrect
no way theyd genuinely push this, "you may have recovered from your addiction but you were more fun when you were sick" angle with no twists or anything
can you schizo somewhere else please
Wait, a modern cartoon created by leftist hacks is pushing awful, pseudointellectual morals onto the audience? No way! Who could have seen that coming except for everyone who watches modern cartoons!?
> no way theyd genuinely push this, "you may have recovered from your addiction but you were more fun when you were sick" angle with no twists or anything
I can totally see them doing this unironically. Whether or no they actually DO remains to be seen.
>I dropped it because I expected more Fionna fanservice and got nothing, at least Harley Quinn and Velma had the decency of having a couple of bare female butts aside from the blood despite both being shit
That's pretty lame. Those are basically stick figures.
I think it's pretty obvious they're using this as an allegory for artists who write popular stories during low points in their lives being pressured to keep working on said stories despite the personal discomfort it brings them.
So really, the only thing you're missing is that they're not promoting the idea so much as calling attention to it.
I would have thought that too, but the revelation in ep 4 that Prismo was actually the one who created Fionna and Cake weakens that interpretation
I mean, what point is there in living as Simon? He’s weak, mortal, and doesn’t have Betty to enjoy old age and marvel at the world’s moronation with.
He’s got some decades to reflect on “wow, that was fricked up, also everywhere is too dangerous now that I’m a powerless old nerd, also I miss Betty, the main reason I wanted to be Simon again - and am tortured by the thoughts of what she’s become”. Wow, worth it. Would probably have rather have just died instead of being forced to hobble into seniority in a world he doesn’t have the ability to adjust to
Obviously it’s “wrong”, escapism is the running theme and has been for much of AT. But it feels similar to “you should go back to your regular 9-5 job real world instead of magic fantasy isekai land” - only the drudgery of the boring suffering of the real world is in this case, Simon’s mind.
But seriously, even way back during AT I always figured a Simon end would either be impossible or tragic. Simon is just a man whose death was delayed, put on ice for millenia. He’s a thawed out zombie in a future he can’t keep up with, the hole in the ground isn’t too far ahead, and that last walk could be pleasant if his hand was warmed by his love, but she's chosen gruesome eternity over him.
"Betty, I don't want to be the Ice King again. It's like living with eternal diaper butt, I can't do it!!"
Poor Simon needs a break.
If I was in Simon's shoes, I would've jumped of the human city the first second I set foot there
Only the Finn ones.
Explains why Rebecca Sugar is a schizo, she kept playing both sides and made every one of her ships shit in the end.
No, all of them, have you seen TaiSora schizos on Digimon threads?
A basic b***h believes in Tai Sora because they never saw how horrible a person Sora becomes.
Fricking Biyomon dying in a corner at a god damn twig show while Tai and Matt and punching a rehash of the previous movie villains while Agumon and Gabumon are dying because frick the creators vision.
Yes, Tai and Matt canonically punched a girl in the face at the same time.
He doesn't want to be the Ice King again. He just feels out of place. Once he finds his place in the world, he'll be fine.
It's literally the most interesting aspect of the show. An out of touch and depressed.person who wants to fall back into self-destructive habits because it's the only time he really knew peace is way more relatable and complex than another "mediocre middle class white girl doesn't want to work or have functional relationships"
So you're an old man?
Who cares he dies in episode 9 anyway
It's not meant to be something good. You think it's fricked up because it is an meant to show how depressed Simon is.
The reason he's saying this is because Fionna doesn't know about the Ice King. Finn and Marcy would have instantly called out how messed up that is.
What they most likely do is reconcile both parts of Simon. The Ice King may be an insane and delusional old man, but he did know how to live in Ooo and ended up growing and gaining friends who liked him over time. Simon has to accept that part of himself and probably merge with him metaphorically, to reach his best version.
Yeah it's obviously meant to be a fricked up form of "suicide but I don't want to bum people out by having them clean up my corpse so I'll just kill my personality and leave behind the wacky nutjob everyone loves now apparently"
like very obviously Simon is pointing out how not ok any of this is but going through with it because frick it nothing matters everything is weird alien bullshit now and Marcy has been fine for a thousand years and is thriving who cares
Prrrobably going for the Ice Prince ending where he gets some superpowers and starts making friends again/writing his own Fionna and Cake in a more original Sailor Moony way than the direct ripoff of Ooo that Prismo came up with
Adventure Time has always been really bad at handling any kind of mental illness. Ice King was already a really uncomfortable metaphor soon as Simon became a concept. Yet the show still used him as the butt monkey who characters actively dunked on.
I see it as something linked to how AT was very bad at character development in general. They were never able to figure out someone slowly growing. IK gets multiple reveals which you hope would lead to characters taking care of him, then 10 episodes later its an episode about how lame IK is and he should go away. Characters get stuck in a rut getting a load of shit, till someone has an idea for them and have a sudden shift. Leads to a lot of uncomfortable scenes till they flip a coin and you see if they at least get a positive outcome. Often not helped by the staff having very strange outlooks on life.
That Christmas special with Simon's first reveal really said it all. For the first time, Finn and Jake got to see who the Ice King really was and Jake showed little, if any, compassion for IK and basically called him a drama queen. It was probably done for the sake of easing tension, giving kids who were watching it some comic relief but it was out of place. AT is just bad at handling serious moments.
Never watched Adventure Time past seeing it airing on Cartoon Network sometimes as a kid. Why is that Ice King guy from all of the commercials suddenly a hot old guy? Can I watch Fionna and Cake without slogging through Adventure Time?
>Why is that Ice King guy from all of the commercials suddenly a hot old guy? Can I watch Fionna and Cake without slogging through Adventure Time?
Watch the episodes "I Remember You" and "Simon & Marcy" at least.
homie theres countless "adventure time lore recap in 15 minutes" type videos on YouTube.
Long story short cursed crown made him an insane ice wizard, amazing powers and near immortality in exchange for madness. There I saved you the trouble of watching select episodes.
>Iceking was a normal guy who put on a cursed crown and became Iceking
>GF traveled though time by convoluted means and found a cure for him
>Iceking becomes normal again but GF gets merged with weird demon thing and fricks off to another dimension
>Iceking is now a sad old man, who people in the internet find hot for some reason.
Ice King used to be a scholar that found a cursed crown that gave him ice powers and immortality at the cost of his sanity. Before he completely lost his identity as Simon and turned into the Ice King he looked after a young Marceline for awhile after the nuclear bomb that spawned the Lich went off.
You probably won't fully enjoy or get the show if you haven't watched adventure time
Simon is perfect and I want to fall asleep in his hair.
Why does everyone want to frick simon now? No one was saying this shit back in the day? Are women just attracted to trainwrecks?
>are women just attracted to trainwrecks
Yeah, if they're hot.
I couldn't speak English when the show came out
When ice king shaved, bathed, and dressed well (aka looked like Simon), all the princesses swooned over him. He's a handsome twink man.
>Are women just attracted to trainwrecks?
Extremely yes
the amount of fanart of Simon crying and being abused has exploded, but even back then you could find some Simon abuse, women love mentallu unstable fathers who are trying their best but backslide into schizodom
>I can fix him
Look at him. He's just asking for it.
It's a miracle that he didn't get seduced everytime he went to a bar
everyone assumed that Finn already owned his ass
I’m willing to bet tons of women have jumped on Simon over the years but he won’t accept any of them because he’s only out for Betty (and who can blame him magic woman was hot)
If Princess’s would do anything for a clean shaven ice king just imagine the game Simon had
Imagine it. Simon is sitting in a bar in some Kingdom in Ooo, and princesses coming over to talk with him.
I said it in the last one but I would be funny to see princess fawning over the "new ice king" aka Simon
Forgot how cursed IK looks without a beard, dude doesn't have any fricking ears. He looks cute when he cleans up and puts on a tux though.
Engagement ring and jungle princess are the best picks for him
[Spoiler] if there's any drawgay here, /r/ing a pic of both of them fighting over Simon
>no ears
Does it mean the "Ice King was secretly a normal dude all along" idea came after this episode?
I definitely think so, it's not til Mortal Recoil at the end of S2 that we get any indication that IK isn't what he seems, and not til Holly Jolly whatever at the end of S3 that we finally get the Simon Petrikov reveal
His actually framed as sort of sympathetic immediately though. Like it's sad that his so miserable, old and crazy even if his occasionally psycho enough he deserves the bullying.
Like the first 2 seasons have an equal amount of Ice King being a shit versus people being shit to Ice King in them.
I don't at all disagree there. I maintain that IK's sympathetic streak and human side was to make him an engaging foil to Finn, and add tension to us waiting to see when Finn would finally be mature enough to bridge that gap and understand him better.
I just mean that the concept of IK being a physically and mentally separate entity from the person he used to be, is a concept that I think was thought up later on.
>I just mean that the concept of IK being a physically and mentally separate entity from the person he used to be, is a concept that I think was thought up later on.
Oh, this is definitely the case. And I think it sorta undercuts the tragedy of his character
Yeah, I agree with you there. It feels like they really can't tease out the latent gold in the original character dynamics cause they might've changed the status quo too much, so instead they add compartmentalised changes that allow them to preserve the status quo while still exploring the new direction, even if it feels super artificial and undercuts some very human and very real-seeming relationships on display.
Along with the Simon/IK reveal, I'd also say things like the PB de-ageing and re-ageing arc started to kill the genuine bond PB had with F&J, and the Flame Princess drama was the death knell for PB's characterisation for a looooong time. Or likewise, PB and Marcy sorting their shit out alone, when it seemed from WWM that Finn's earnest no-nonsense approach was What Was Missing (ha) from their relationship, which would've been an important influence in allowing them to open back up and reconnect naturally.
Actually thinking about it further, I think Marcy and Finn's characters both slipping into being bland and indistinct, or at the very least flanderised messes, starts as soon as they trade traits in the aftermath of WWM. Horny angsty lonely Finn becomes much more like early Marceline with her whole "running with the wolves" schtick, which evolves into Finn's current form as barbarian dating HW (and possibly explains why some feel like HW is a consolation prize not really meant for Finn), and vice versa Marcy becoming a lot more forward, expressive and open, through things like her songs and other art becoming much more public, and her relationship with PB and Simon, ends up being more similar to early seasons Finn than anybody else.
Bizarre now that I think about it.
I agree that their personalities become a lot more passive and indistinct over time but I’m not sure if they switch traits, that seems like a stretch
They don't switch all their traits, but I think what makes them become indistinct is because they lost their most defining traits after this. Or at least Finn did, and the writers didn't really work out how to play up Marcy's rebellious charm without her gated vulnerability to carry the emotional tension.
Huh? Their characters certainly change a ton and arguably not for the better but they certainly didn't switch personality traits especially not as early as What Was Missing's aftermath.
Finn's main personality trait didn't become horny and angsty (and how is being horny one of Marcy's main traits) and he wasn't like early Marceline much at all. I think the most you can say is that his character did become more reserved and keep more stuff inside which is like Marceline, but I think that's even more mid series Marceline than early.
Marceline never became that open either considering that in Ketchup she has a part where she's like "that stuff (emotions) is stuff I never really talk about" very show don't tell Adventure Time truly, but she's still like that when the show is gonna end in like 15 episodes. She became nicer and more open with certain characters but that's not much like early seasons Finn.
I certainly understand if you think they both got shitty but I don't see how this comparison makes any sense.
>Ketchup
Great ep.
i hate these types of fanarts
What were they THINKING making him go commando under that robe? It's like the animators wanted him to be rapebait so bad.
Its the female equivalent of men being attracted to tsunderes
They are probably going to do a bullshit thing like the Avengers did with the Hulk where he can be Ice King but still be himself mentally and find happiness by being her adventure friend as that's his child in a way
Its two homosexuals doing a back and forth thing
>two homosexuals
I sincerely doubt that considering all the fanart
>Are women just attracted to trainwrecks?
women loves to have a project, it's just a different manifestation of the "i can fix him" effect
Simon was always super popular, I remember when the Simon and Marcy episodes were new everyone obsessed over him
A lot of princesses wanted to bone Ice King when he shaved his beard and dressed well. He's good-looking and only his schizo ramblings and mannerisms keep women away from him.
My guess is, they're going to find some way to not have to go through with it while still keeping Fionna and Cake's world alive, with there being a message about "being happy with what you have" and "seeing the magic in everyday life".
He probably will become Ice King again for a bit
Actually, what if the endgame is becoming Ice King while retaining his memory? If Bettygolb wants him to stay safe, letting him be a magic immortal wizard would be the way to do that
As I see it there are 4 possible scenarios:
1. Simon is actually lying about becoming the IK again and is using Fionna and Cake to get the crown back and wish to see Betty again.
2. Simon was telling the truth and actually becomes the Ice King again (bad ending).
3. Fionna and Cake end up liking Simon so much they don't want to lose him so they persuade him from becomjng IK.
4. Simon gains ice powers and inmortality while keeping his sanity (best ending).
I’ll have a 1 that ends in 4 please
But how does the crown wishing work?, Betty had her wish because the crown reverted to its original state inside GOLB, then Gunter wished to be like IK and became the Ice Thing, but wouldn't putting the crown again not have a wish to grant anymore?, I mean the original Gunther wished to be like Evergreen and that's why anyone who put on the crown had ice powers and had they physical appearance like Evergreen.
I guess you will either need to kill the owner of the crown or revert it to its original pre-wish form. Maybe they will try to kill Gunther cuting his head and that's why he's a floating head 1000 years in the future.
Won’t the crown go crazy if it’s master is killing?
There are potentially multiple crowns available, since farmworld originally had one too and Simon has the reality hopping remote.
5. Fionna and Cake help Simon find Betty, Betty and Simon go to the mundane world, Fionna and Cake live in Ooo.
But what happens to Fionna's world? Simon's being hunted right now so that world can be destroyed because its illegitimate, even if they deal with the God auditor, his and Prismo's 'boss' could finally appear.
Prismo moves it from Simon's brain to Fionna's. Fionna is a non-magical person, so the world stays mundane.
This is the best case scenario where everyone wins
Simon's problem isn't Ooo, it's his outlook. Same for Fionna.
Yeah, but we have thousands of stories where the moral is "the grass isn't always greener on the other side and you need to learn to appreciate what you have." For once I think giving the character's what they want would be a better story where their end goal is ACTUALLY their goal
That isn't even Simon's end goal. He wants to be magical again. And it's a cliche for a reason.
His goal is to be with Betty. Now that she's a magical god, he also wishes to be magical again to either cope with his new lifestyle or in hopes that he can relate to Betty. I think his true goal is just to be with her, whether he stays mundane or magical, as long as it's with her.
When you put it like that... There's no reason Golb Betty can't just be Ice King's new Marceline that he also fricks.
Yes, but also, a change of scenery can sometimes help.
This.
Why is flo rida red here? All the rich boomers move there to retire
Yeah they also died of covid
I imagine the hurricanes and shitty insurance scare a lot of people off. Plus Florida Man. Plus if you're right leaning, Disney, and if you're left leaning, Desantis.
I think the general trend is urban areas/high rent areas being depopulated for spacious areas or lower rent areas. This graph seems to largely defy politics.
What's with New Jersey?
>Marcy gets fathercucked by a black guy
This is the best ending, I'd love to see Simon and Betty living a comy life in mundane world.
That's too boring of an ending
He has to become ice king again whether by necessity or forced to by Fiona
Ice King was more than just powers it was his state of mind so them removing his insanity while turning him back into his old form makes sense because it allows him to realize that he can move on from Betty or at least continue to go on with a better outlook on life.
>Ice Simon King goes back to the ice kingdom
>Ice thing Gunther is now his pet
>Prismo hooks Simon up with a magical tv to view Fionna and Cake's r63 adventures inside his head when he gets lonely just like how prismo is viewing old Finn & Jake adventures to cope with the loss of jake.
>to view Fionna and Cake's sloppy masturbation sessions inside his head when he gets lonely
Simon will turn into the IK and they'll instantly regret it and turn him back to Simon with whatever anti magic powers they have
>Actually, what if the endgame is becoming Ice King while retaining his memory?
>4. Simon gains ice powers and inmortality while keeping his sanity (best ending).
Should've been what happened in the first place.
He will become ice prince and a quasi-romantic guiding figure for fiona
My bet is that Fionna and Cake will spend so much time questing with Simon that they won't make him put on the crown and live like they always knew how the lived inside Simon's head.
I can’t help but think that would suck.
I trust AT won’t go through with a generic “give up on magic and accept your fate of wageslavery” end
Simon’s definitely not going to stay mortal anyway, or he’s not going to stay within their universe. If he did he would have made an appearance in the deadworlds in Together Again
I don't blame you for thinking like that, the messages in cartoons lately are bad, each new message is more morally dubious than the last.
Why didn't Simon and Minerva just hang out.
wait I actually love that
damn it you made me ship a fricking Adventure time ship how dare you
Oh noooo
He's infected
He's got the touch!!!!
>Hey Finn im fricking your mom!
>Thats right baby im your step dad now
>Ice King rules ahahah
Honestly, im into it
ONE OF US
ONE OF US
It's just a depressed man trying to fall in love with an A.I. Funny.
Need more art of these two
Anyone thinking "Simon becoming the IK again" is a good ending is a sicko loser
The needs of the many, out weigh the needs of the few.
If they don't make everyone try to persuade Simon to change his mind and him to realize that is something bad then the writers are fricking sociopaths
The best scenario is that in the final episode they find a way to restore Fionna's world and give Simon something to live for and cure his depresion
>being resigned to a meager couple of decades as a powerless old man laden with painful memories he can’t do anything about instead of a magic guy that has fun forever
>good
Ice King seems pretty unhappy a lot of the time.
Ice King's weight used to fluctuate all the time because he had several eating disorders, being Ice King was not better, dude was depressed as frick
Damn that old man was fricked up.
If you think being Ice King is fun you must be out of your mind. Ice King is Ooo's version of Chris Chan.
>Ice King is Ooo's version of Chris Chan.
now I wonder what was his july 31, 2021
I can't believe they let him out of jail. I need a palate cleanser just thinking about it.
Now that I think about it how fricked up would it be for them to "cure" simons depression with some fantastical bullshit
Imagine suffering through depression and relating to simon and then he gets cured people on his metaphor for drug crown or getting his girl magically back
the best case scenario where he loses betty but remains a perfect mix of ice king and simon is still a bit fricked, like yeah if youre depressed be just the right amount of on drugs 24/7 so people can tolerate your presence
From where you took that the cow would be any metaphor for medication ?
Who is Fioana
Im very intrigued to see how other characters will react to Simon from this point forward
Sure they were "busting his balls" but I dont think anyone wants IK back, especially not Marcy
Marceline would strangle Prismo if she found out, and drag Simon back to Ooo.
Yeah Marcie would have the most based take. She might even hit someone with a base.
Would be funny if they actually have Marceline discover whats been going on while she is having fun with PB and proceed to explode with rage and horror at the idea
So many monster faces and even fire maybe.
>Marceline just chilling at a party or something with PB having a good time
>Prismo sends a distress call to her in secret
>"So uh...yeah Simon miiiight be trying to become Ice King again due to all this-"
>"HE'S FLUBBIN WHAT!?!?"
>Party engulfed in hellfire as partygoers flee in terror
Nostalgic.
Adventure Time just taught me lesbians are bad at taking care of their father figures, tbh
Marcy isnt bad at it she just doesnt know and is doing her own life right now
PB probably 100% doesnt care, at best she wouldnt want him to go back because IK annoys her
>she just doesnt know
Well, she should
Finn is moronic, so he get a pass
it's not like simon's doing himself any favors, he's deliberately hiding it from her. he should go on a vacation, like what finn suggested but instead of almost dying he could look for ancient artifacts
That's a good point, Simon should be more comunicative with his friends
Marceline should check on him a little more tho
Like that squirrel said when it was talking to Cake, "Two way communication is great".
Yes, but the hedgehog's dilemma still rings true. When you open yourself for a hug, you open yourself to possibly be stabbed.
You can also feel like you're encumbering someone with something they can't really help you with, and that's a terrible feeling.
>You can also feel like you're encumbering someone with something they can't really help you with, and that's a terrible feeling.
God I hate that feeling.
Shrinks will tell you to tell that stuff to other people. I understand that's for them to check on you and keep you grounded, but it just feels like you're stacking your weight upon someone else who already has their own shit to deal with. Plus the part where they most likely can't do all that much about it, so you're just dropping a supposed "time bomb" upon them, and they have no means of "defusing" it.
So I can possibly empathize with the Ice King in some way.
Yeah I got a bit of that feel, well put.
The thing is that the ice king is part of who Simon is and part of his problem is him trying to deny that and go back to a time and world that doesn't exist anymore
He literally isn't though, he was a personality superimposed onto him.
It doesn't matter if it was naturals or resulting the influence of the crown, it became Simon and many aspects of the ice king were a reflexion by who Simon was and his wishes, even if distorted
Nobody likes your take Muto
It's like if someone sneaked shrooms into your food. That ain't natural.
You frickers and the ability to misinterpret shit never fails to make me fume. Simon spent centuries as a manic depressive ice wizard and now he’s a normal person. One of the best parts of being crazy is you don’t notice how messed up your life is. And then when your not crazy anymore it sucks bigtime because you can’t just wait around for your next manic fit, you have to actually deal with your problems.
That’s why Betty sent him cake. It’s a push to let other people into your art by sharing your life with people. To let them help you manage the life you landed in with you. Art shared with people is like being manic in a crowded room, but better because you do it while not solely focusing on yourself.
He doesn’t want to be ice king again, he wants to stop being so alone. But doesn’t want to be crazy to do it.
he is literally planning to commit magical suicide and go crazy because he refuses to move on from betty and wants to die
That as well. But he isn’t getting that. Too many people in his life now to just up and ditch and when he tried it he got a real life OC sent to him by his god gf. Simon’s suffering is just beginning, no easy suicide or even a ice king return lasting more then two episodes.
>That’s why Betty sent him cake.
Whoooa slow down, when does the show imply Betty's the one that sent cake to Simon?
You know I’m confused last week y’all were all whining about no “ice chad” and now y’all mad he’s thinking about becoming ice king again
>y'all
have a nice day.
Death to the southerners
The frick?
Nobody said that
>make Ice King a metaphor for neurological disorders like Alzheimer's
>magically turn him normal again in the rushed finale
>oops.wav
>try to fix this by showing how turning him back made him more miserable and he's still mentally ill(literally instead of figuratively this time)
>people relate hard to Simon and want him to be happy
>turning him back is now akin to KYSing or relapsing
Yeah that's basically it. I'm going on a murder spree if they dare turning my boy Simon into Ice King again.
Dude, Cinemaphile isn't one person. I can at least speak for myself on saying that I was happy he got back to being himself. They could also try to get him to have magic without the brain damage.
Also I never saw anybody said he should be Iceking again, what the frick?
I’m gonna be honest, what little interest I had in the overall plot was pretty much killed by the Prismo episode. I just hope we get some fun AU shenanigans at this point
Yeah I would have rather had a magical hidden item in Ice Thing's kingdom lair change Fionna and Cake into their Finn & Jake expy forms, and they go on adventures from there.
It seemed like that's what the Cake episode's plot was leaning to, but then Prismo intercepted everything in the arc.
Listen my out
the series will end with Fionna's universe being erase and Prismo loosing it's job, than the little girl will somehow end up in the time room and wish for Fionna and cake to be real, what will make their universe retroactively authorized and re-instate Prismo as he technically wont have done anything wrong(remember time is not linear, so don't really matter if he create that universe before or after the wish, just that it has a wish involved)
Also Simon may or may not becoming a version of the Ice Prince of Fionna's dream too
Interdasting
The skirt problem was bullshit. She showed her panties in the middle of the city in front of her boss in the first episode.
Honestly I think it was just to make it easier to animate
It is, it's cheaper to draw two lines on her thighs and also you don't have to choreograph around avoiding upskirts. It's the same reason Finn's shirt is always vacuum-sealed around him.
It would have been funnier if they gave her sweatpants or basketball shorts or something schlubby though
This show feels like it's for overweight women why does Cinemaphile like it?I saw up until the part were Fionna got fired and got bored.
Take a wild guess.
Because most of Cinemaphile is filled with ugly overweight women
The dumbass intro is permanently stuck in my head
Same.
I meant the other one
Not sure how that would happen.
New synopsis
September 21:
>The Star - Cake is recruited by a band of skilled vampire hunters. Gary and Marshall Lee attend a black-tie party.
>Jerry - Stranded in a desolate land, Fionna, Cake and Simon are stranded and resort to desperate measures to escape.
Our time is coming gaybois.
Killed my ship before it even had a chance
Anyone got a link to the most recent episodes? :3
Does anyone know where I can watch the most recent episodes? (I don't have HBO)
just go on kimcartoon
It aint there.
It's not HBO, it's Max, "the place to go for HBO"
People actually find this nappy-haired freak attractive? Gary is obviously superior
It's mostly the voice doing the heavy lifting for Marshall
The inverse is true for Gary, all I can hear is the gay guy from Invincible and it kills my boner
It is messed up, but I don't think they'll revert Simon back to Ice King. I assume the endgame for Simon is making peace with his past and present or sacrificing himself to save Fiona and Cake's reality.
I dont want Simon to die either
I just want him to be happy, mans been on a misery streak for centuries in all timelines
Simon needs to give Fionna his seed to cure him of his existential crisis
Fionna is 30 and getting older she needs to be decisive before it's too late
Pregnant Fionna?
Who else had Fionna as their first fap?
Ice King never should have reverted to Simon in the first place, so if they end up fixing that mistake I'd be fine with it.
made for fat ojisan mindbreak with visible belly bulge
The series so far doesn't feel "Dark" it feels almost.... spiteful and hateful to the old cast. Like what the hell grudge bearing people did they bring on?
I can't get over the weird manchild characterization they did to Finn. It's like they literally scrubbed every single ounce of character development or experience he ever had off of him. Or he's being written by someone who got a crib notes version of the character. He's no longer properly considerate, he has no depth, he can't read cues he used to be able to read fine, and he's putting people unnecessarily in danger to a point of them getting majorly injured when he's done that before and "learned" from it.
Ditto with Simon being "I don't wanna be ice king or mess with magic anymore no matter what" but also...... Fricking around with dangerous rituals and magic? Keeping (even an evil creature) as a slave magical battery? What? Like he had his ticks and weird stuff but the man even AS ice king, tried to do the right thing more oft than not and earned his "Freedom" from the role already. They shouldn't have used simon or used him for more than audience feelings/expectation being taken hostage so far.
That and Prismo, the chill god guy who literally sacrificed his own being before to help take down the lich, trying to give a split off finn a good ending because he asked, etc etc.... Being "ACTUALLY" such a selfish jerk to literally contribute to ruining someones life because he wanted to hide his gender bend OC universe in their brain?
That also completely undercuts the idea of ice king being a weird polar (accidental pun) flip to simon and him being princess crazy as a psychologically warped beyond recognition stand in for his past relationships with Betty and Marcy.
It's all so weird and offputting when you watch it unbroken back to back. It feels like someone either didn't get the characters or just doesn't LIKE the characters are writing it.
Did you remember to take your meds today?
Cool detatched dismissal, doesn't change how I feel about it.
Okay you win, it's a perfect show with NO problems and it's not at all a middle finger to have aged up finn regress to earliest season levels mentally completely and have zero lessons learned or stick.
It's NOT cheap to continue using a character who went through his arcs as an emotional bop clown to harness fanbase desperation to hope he has a good ending that isn't a gotcha.
Oh, I was right on the money.
Cool you won the internet guessing game, your prize is explaining to me why you also feel so strongly about being the opposite
Wat benefit does it do the new characters or plot point to cameo the original lead and go "Yeah but he's still moronic and nothing that happened might as well happened."
And I also cited simon's arc being fricked too for cheap attachment factor.
Theres plenty of things I hate about AT and I have complained about them in these threads but you're just schizo, take your meds.
Hope this is a copypasta
Schizo says what?
I understand your complaints but I don't see how they're grounds to infer that the writers hate the characters or anything like that
It is just another Finncel feeling attacked
the schizo anon does have a point about Simon imo. When he appeared in Distant Lands he seemed normal and like he was starting to get over Betty and adjust himself to Ooo's weirdness. Now he's a depressed loser living in a human zoo. Let the poor guy be happy for once.
Scitzo here.
It's a very "It was already finished and yet you keep fricking going" feeling.
Well yeah. This is the inherent issue of drawing out shows past their supposed end, especially in current year
Also the AT staff have frankly been pretty poor about maintaining consistent characterization for a while now
True enough.
Acceptance for something takes time, sometimes one takes a step back on their way to accept some loss they have.
A long post, but definitely not a schizophrenic one. I raise this point a lot, it really is something that only makes sense if you're in the midst of rewatching everything though - these characterisations make sense if you're only thinking in terms of your vague memories of the last time you watched AT a few years ago, with the freshest of these old memories being the later, character assassination-filled seasons. Tons of shit seems super weird and wack if you've still got S1-5 in your head, heaps of character arcs being retreaded or outright overlooked.
Remember when IK was just IK, no Simon at all, and he served as an important foil to Finn's similar princess fixations and mildly out of touch with reality perspectives?
The show has changed a frickton over the years, and I don't think many notes get passed on between showrunners and writers, nor do I think they really return to older episodes like we do to get a handle back on things like characterisations or tone. Becomes like a game of Telephone, or a Ship of Theseus scenario.
Muto was there from the begging as one of three main creators and yes he absolutely knows every single little detail, like the clapping sign that Finn and Jake have, or that song that Marceline sung during that closet episode which probably 99% of audience didn't listen to. He even referenced the unproduced episode from season 1 during ep 3 of F&C. It doesn't matter how much a random storyboarder knows or cares about the show or continuity because he's still there to either accept or veto their contributions.
>sung
*sang
Alright Muto you can stop wanking yourself off now.
He's been there from the start sure, but wasn't always creative director - iirc that was Pat McHale for at least the first three seasons. Being able to reference tidbits isn't exactly the same as being able to always remember every last wrinkle of a character, and being able to expound on those wrinkles in a coherent manner. Ask any writer on any long-term project, they begin forgetting things, especially complex and subtle things like that. Didn't we recently have an interview come out where Muto joking admitted he had to resort to reading the wiki to get some details straight for F&C? This would also definitely explain why there's more of a focus towards deep cut references rather than cohesive character writing - things like old storyboards are a lot easier for fans to document on wikis, compared to every last writer's note on how to handle a character, many of which I'm almost certain didn't leave the writers' heads save for once they were already fully synthesised into an episode's script.
I really wish it was as normal to release writer's notes as much as it is to release things like concept art. A very very important part of the creative process that disappears cause I suspect there both just isn't as much of a market for it, and there isn't as much of a requirement for documentation and due process there - concept art often needs annotations so that other team members know what to make of it, while writers tend to operate alone.
Pure speculation but I feel like the writers get something good going, but then once people online like it they have to immediately subvert that. That isn't even unusual, something similar happened with the OG Sherlock Holmes stories IIRC. In that case though the guy tried to tank his character and accidentally made him even more popular.
>IIRC
You do not
That wasn't why the guy tried to Sherlock more human instead of the super-genius detective? That was the impression I was under.
Not really, Holmes is consistently an abrasive, borderline autistic super-genius detective from the earliest stories to the last. Are you sure you're not thinking of the fact that Doyle tried to kill him off so he could focus on writing other stuff, but later brought him back due to popular demand?
That must be it, my bad. Thanks for the literature lesson anon.
found the sauce
https://twitter.com/BasilsCottage/status/1698457885741646150?s=19
thinking about how he'd start whimpering and crying when you hit his prostate.
good news anon
https://twitter.com/theforburgen/status/1700357631850746165?t=jMOucK7tAj-9wRXvBniz9Q&s=19
I fricking love Cake, she's an agent of chaos
Fionna (and Cake) will cure Simon's depression
It's like how enough radioactive power can actually become so powerful it passes cleanly through you. Only depression can cure depression.
Nah Simon is dying like he should back in the Betty episode
I say good riddance
Bro, this is just Doctor and his companions. The companions will show the Doctor not being a alone is good.
I hope so, Simon deserves the world.
>
Why's that corn cob wearing glasses? What does it need to see?
kek
Hmm...
She has the eyes of Jake and Lady cause she is their descendant. The world 1000s years in the future is dominated by Jake and Lady's spawn
Anyone mention why the lich is alive and well in the silent film universe?
This adventure time episode explains it. (gif)
A Lich hand is dropped into a multiversal pool and is spread around the multiverse.
One of them must have ended up in the golden age silent film cartoon universe.
>One of them must have ended up in the golden age silent film cartoon universe.
Does this this mean that silent film universe already existed? I was under the impression that it was made just to fill Wyatt's wish, but I guess wishes can also send you to existing universes if they fulfill your wish well enough?
Yes, prismo specifically says says "sometimes" wishes will create another reality, but it seems like it's not always the case especially considering he basically genie'd wyatt's wish
Okay, you're right.
Also, side note, since others have been asking this. The scene featuring young Finn and Jake saving LSP is definitely meant to be from our Ooo. Prismo says, "This universe is special because it had my favorite guy!", keyword HAD, meaning it's a clip from the past before Jake died, and not a different, younger universe that still has Jake alive.
Others also speculated that this might also mean Ooo was created from a wish, but in the same universe montage he notes that the Flapjack world "already existed," so he's really just flipping random channels looking for wish-related ones, and pointing them out as he sees them.
>Others also speculated that this might also mean Ooo was created from a wish, but in the same universe montage he notes that the Flapjack world "already existed," so he's really just flipping random channels looking for wish-related ones, and pointing them out as he sees them.
Kinda like the "Finite Curve" of Rick and Morty where the entirety of the Multiverse were filtered down to universes where Rick Sanches is the smartest person in said universes.
I had nearly forgotten.
I will keep saying it, Simon will become an Ice Prince. A balance between the two characters without either being lost.
I'm hoping that is the case at least.
I believe the Ice Prince from Fionna's dream hints at this. Plus this first look that she got of him looks very similar with the glasses shining in the exact same way, no to mention Fionna literally says "Ice Prince?"
but the question is, will that be Simon transformed, or an AU version of Simon?
There will be AU Ice Prince, but I do believe Simon will become his own Ice Prince, maybe seeing AU Ice Prince being happy will inspire him to seek some sort of balance
For me the best mix would be Simon as he was in Marcy and Me with something to keep him from deteriorating. At that point he clawed back a good amount of his sanity but still had access to his powers which would give him a way to feel like he has a place as more than just a sideshow for new future humans.
Will Simon give Fionna a reality check?
Simon and Fionna already been through depression with reality. Fionna just found some temporary happiness.
>Simon I'm getting old, I want a baby
Someone post the no way gay pic but it's replaced with Simon and Fionna
Simon will become a vtuber, Ice Prince is his channel name.
Why didn't Simon just told Marceline about his problems?
Maybe you'd understand if you weren't an ESL
>Have a problem
>Have a friend
>Tell friend problem
>Feelings go out
I don't get it, it's pretty straight forward.
He doesn't want to burden her now that she's finally happy
I bet you tell your friends about your feelings all the time
>tries to tell Marceline ONCE while shes busy
>doesn't try again in a few hours or the next day
This was some lazy shit it'd make more sense if she asked if he was alright and he didn't want to make her upset so he just said yes
Not really, you must remember Simon is in a depressive state so "she is busy, try to talk latter" wouldn't be something that come to his mind but "she is fine and don't need me" or "she already move on from me" or "she doesn't need to deal with my BS" as that are the type of thing that would make sense to him
I feel like he really doesn't want, in his heart, to bother her with his problems. He probably was relieved she was busy in all honesty
People avoid telling how they feel about shit all the time. Any excuse will work especially if it's someone you don't want to drag down, someone you care about.
Where the frick were all the Simongays at any point when AT was airing? You had any opportunity to hornypost but you wait until NOW to do it?
the audience used to be at the age where marshall lee and the like was more in vogue to thirst for. now that they're all depressed 20somethings they like older guys more. not precisely a "classical" tumblr sexyman, but a sexyman for an aging tumblr userbase.
it's also the sort of patheticness he currently has, but with enough conventionally attractive traits and room for character development that he's a viable object of lust.
mad respect to people who wanted to frick him as ice king, though. our bravest soldiers
a few days ago some chick coined the term "tumblr sicklyman" to describe sickly looking boys that women adore, i think Simon fits into that category.
>where were you
I was like 8. If that makes you feel old I sincerely apologize
apt descriptor. i will now use this term all the time.
i guess i do like guys who are kind of on the more unkempt side of the sexyman scale. pic related
How hairy is your pussy
It's like a shag carpet down there.
I'll give you $100 to see it
>mad respect to people who wanted to frick him as ice king, though. our bravest soldiers
Hey, even the princess wanted to frick Ice King when he was "Nice King". I bet he would've been seen as very sexy if he had a different personality. His pre-IK look was very charming too, just the right mix of a powerful wizard guy about to lose it but still has a grasp on reality.
I also remember when farmworld Finn wearing the crown got popular on Tumblr for a short while.....man.....
It's kinda funny how being called a "wizard" is a name for being a virgin but honestly what person wouldn't want to frick a wizard? If Ice King wasn't so crazy, I could see myself fricking him. As a princess I mean.
To me it's a bit fricked up the consensus really is "I hope we get a fitting simon end" then "I wonder what wacky and crazy shit fionna and cake will get into" and it's their own focus show. I get that tr fionna and cake are minor characters in the grand scheme of things, but maybe Simon's involvement here was too early. Particularly if they want a season 2.
If they want a Season 2, it'll have to resolve Simon's plot in Season 1. Unless, they'll have Simon be part of Fionna's team.
I'm pretty sure simon is on board forever unless him and betty basically go frick off (merger, erasure, whatever the frick).
I get how you feel but the reactions make sense given how Fionna and Cake's story seems pretty clear cut while we don't know what the frick is gonna happen to Simon. We didn't see much of him in the main series and this is the first time he gets a proper character exploration so of course people are more hyped about that.
Simon wasn't that important of a character when AT was airing. It was governed by Finn, Jake, Bubblegum, and Marceline gays at the time. Simon posting wasn't as popular compared to the other gays. Because he rarely gets any focus aside from the few episodes he gets.
Simon really did not have much screen time at all and was dominated by Ice King posting. Now that he is one of the three main characters and is getting more screen time than ever it is our time to talk about how great he is
I'm still salty that the episode "Betty" was a standard 11 minute episode, it should've been longer
Man, this show seems absolutely dreadful. I'm happy I'm skipped it.
I love the anxious and depressed Russian man, I want to be his friend and tell him he matters
It's interesting how pretty much everyone has different ideas about what Simon's fate will be and what constitutes a good or bad ending for him
i just hope he stops being sad
Will pay a femanon AT fan $200 to show me her hairy pussy
>fionna, we need to get my ice powers back
Finn is Hank
>FINN, FINNNNN, FINN! TAKE THE BLINDFOLD OFF!
Wow, that new Lemongrab voice was really bad. Did no one watching that decide those 20 seconds didn't need to be included?
yeah, i'd rather they just abandon the character instead of shove in some shit that sounds like lemongrab whisper-shouting
They finished recording voices before the Roiland controversy. It's a re-dub.
#releasetheroilandcut
Fantastic, I want these men drunk and absolutely tearing themselves emotionally
it's an expression of pain.
>hey simon why is your face all stuck like that?
>it's an expression of pain, fionna.
Who is the other guy?
MC from Disco Elysium
He's a superstar.
Raphaël Ambrosius Costeau, the World's best detective.
If the Morseline drawfriend is in this thread too, thanks a bunch for humouring my silly sleep-deprived bad pun request, you really really delivered and I have to say it's gotta be the swankiest piece of art I have ever received!
Not them but damn it was a great sleep-deprived idea.
I should really be heading to bed, but thanks. I'm glad you liked it. The idea was neat and I would've watched an episode about Marceline finding an old telegraph and sending messages to finn and jake
Sleep tight boss, thanks again. Man, I wish we could make our own whimsical little early-season-style episodes or shorts like that where that's just the plot - Marcy goofing off sending telegraphs to the bros and they come round to her place to see how she's going with typing up a suitably short message etc. Would be neat.
Hell fricking yeah, glad you guys enjoyed then. This was really nice.
If Simon had voices like Disco Elysium what would he get? Would Ice King be among them?
fionna is the good
Looks like Simon is a smoker. Marcy had that anti smoking shirt so it might not be part of the "past human" exhibit and might be something Simon picked up when he was taking care of Marcy to deal with stress. I can see it given how quick he is to start drinking in Prismo's place.
Marcy should have a talk with him. Every episode she doesn't hurts.
I can't believe Prismo lost her dad.
Jesus Christ dude, that pink clown messed up. He should bamf Marci to Simon so she can keep him from getting killed.
I think it's just a sage stick, doesn't look anything like a cig or blunt
What if Simon rolls his real fricking phat?
I have figured out a way for Simon to be magical and with Betty without becoming Ice King again.
So cuuuuute!
Man he’d be a sucky wish master compared to prismo, but I guess he’d be slightly better considering the current prismo went all emo
I hate how obvious it is Prismo is depressed because Jake died, but they refuse to even acknowledge it. So Adventure Time is mature enough now to show blood and swearing but not Jake's grave or something?
I dont think its a maturity reason but moreso that actually showing the grave or his death would be meaningless. We already know he’s dead so why waste screentime having the characters mope about it for 20 minutes?
How would he be a worse Wishmaster?
good stuff
Man now I want him to be a smoker.
who would be his Kim Kitsuragi?
Fionna.
>mr petrikov has lost his crown
>Am I crazy or is this whole Simon should go back to Ice King thing Fiona and Cake is pushing kinda fricked up.
Everything about what's happening to Simon is completely 200% fricked up.
Simon went through an extremely traumatic experience of essentially having schizophrenic dementia for most of his life, getting cured of it by his estranged fiancé, and then in less than a weeks time that aforementioned fiancé is deleted from all realities. And then his entire social circle, who are essentially strangers to him, idea of being supportive is to constantly remind him of how they liked him better when he was mentally ill. Including a god who prefers Simon be insane so he can continue to use him as a living USB card for gay fan-fiction.
The sad and pathetic thing about this is it's depressingly... Consistent? Most of the cast of AT are all emotionally stunted, insensitive, unhealthy, damaged people who don't know how to help themselves, never mind anyone else. And the ONLY exception is Jake. Jake the dog. And he's fricking dead.
With that said I'm hoping they're aware of this and Simon does get "better" somehow and overcomes the grossly unhealthy idea that he "needs" to turn back into a maniac wizard to cure his depression and make everyone happy.
>Most of the cast of AT are all emotionally stunted, insensitive, unhealthy, damaged people who don't know how to help themselves
I really dislike how true this has become. Remember when Finn and PB were genuinely empathetic people with some flaws? But no, now he needs to be an emotionally stunted barbarian and she needs to be a control-freak tyrant.
I feel like you have selectively edited out of your memories. They only ever have basic empathy when their noses get rubbed in something sad and they aren't distracted by something shiny after.
That's not true at all. Go back and watch like the first three seasons
I just did, after reading your post. PB was always a psycho.
yeah that's my impression of having watched the first 2 last week, most of it for the first time
Like remember Treetrunks bursting like a soap bubble and Finn and Jake's reaction being "oh yeah that happened"
https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/fionna-cake-episode-4-explained-prismo-multiverse
Apparently the idea that Fionna and Cake were actually Prismo's fanfiction was an idea they'd had for a while, but Muto never thought they'd get to explore it.
Seems like it.
Ice king had penguins, a secret club, friends, a castle, power, flight, immortality secret handshakes, a job and a vampire daughter. What does Simon have?
Well he still has the last two
I find it kind of funny that both Simon and Betty are fixated on the past considering they are both antiquarians. It just makes sense
Is the Crown an allegory for drug addiction or for dementia?
I think it's an allegory for BPD, Petrov is the depressive phase and ice king is the manic phase
Either that or Ice King is Jung's shadow, in which case Petrov will assimilate ice king and turn into ice prince
>watch the first episode
>the episode wasted zero time getting fiona to take off her pants
I thought twitter hated this when anime did it
Who cares what Twitter used to think about things. That site is X now, and nobody cares about that.
Anime isn't "made by women", so it's okay when Fionna and Cake does it.
Its okay when the west does it
Stop letting Cinemaphile tell you what other websites think. It's really embarrassing for all of us.
So far Fionna seems like a fricking hot mess of a woman. I love it.
Simon vs AU Marcy. I'm waiting on this.
He gonna die.
>what do i do now that im not magical and nobody likes me like they used to?
>you store my fanfiction dude
>oh god
Why don't the Princesses of Ooo just rape Simon?
uh, Simon isn't evil.
So far I'm loving Simon falling apart. People are calling him a sopping cat and I think it fits well.
So Simon dying was a fake leak right? I’m not watching this shit
Watch it, it's good.
If Fionna losing an arm?
I would hope a leg
I wish, but we both know they're going to go easy on her when it comes to physical injuries.
Legs seems likely since we saw them focus on that cookie that lost a leg.
Fionna way too skinny there.
cry to prismo about it
I am not watching Adventure Time with actual swears and le epic 90’s nostalgia
Your loss, dude.
source?
DiscountVillain
oh god now I kind of want to see what Eda Clawthorne would look like as an Ice Queen in that style. The "30 and flirty" coffee mug, King as a penguin
Same!
seconded
>no way I'm watching this shit, now tell me what happens in it
This is an odd way to consume media.
Soooo, anyone else unironically really attracted to Simon?
I’ve been wanting to kiss him for eleven years.
Made for rape by the princesses
>so down that he didn't even bother trying to cover himself until prismo put a robe on him
>immediately starts drinking and blowing him off when he's being scolded
He doesn't care, frick, I don't think he'll care if everyone saw him naked
Lowkey I thought him and Prismo had some romantic tension
That interview with Muto that someone posted like two days ago made me realize something: the reason why the presser showed only the first 7 episodes was because the last 3 aren't finished
>last 3 aren't finished
I sincerely doubt it, because it's not how western scheduling works. They don't want reviewers to spoil their big twists. Even though evil bubblegum (or maybe it's bubblegum the vampire huntress?) was already shown in the poster. So, yeah, already spoiled some things themselves.
Muto has said that they're still doing postproduction on the last episodes
Oh, that's surprising really.
I love her. She's fricking stupid.
Have you ever drawn this noodlepire?
Not yet but I'm gonna, though as a kid I tried the style at least.
It was the frist AT related thing I ever drew.
surprisingly not until recently. hell I don't think I've even drawn F&J before
Anyone have any good screencaps of Marceline's new look? I must draw this beautiful creature.
https://adventuretime.fandom.com/wiki/Marceline/Gallery
Was the blue Catalyst Comet responsible for magic returning to Earth?
I like to think all the fake swears in AT come from Ice King not remembering real swears and the people of Ooo just picking them up since he's been around since the very beginning of their civilisation.
>Gary Prince
>Not Gabriel Gumball
Muto you big dummy
>dumped by Flame
>Gumball and Marshall too busy gayging it up with each other
Fionnacels.....
According the the endless knowledge of Cinemaphile now that she is an incel she will dyke out.
There doesn't seem to be an indication that either Gumball or Marshall even know each other, they're both platonic towards her independent of romantic relationship status.
Don't worry, it just means she's going to end up with Hunter. Fate decrees it.
I hope not. I love Huntress Wizard, but hunter looks and sounds like a ftm troony
You only think that because the voice is weird.
Yeah I'd probably dislike him less if the voice was different, but he's too different from HW for me
Their universe is goign to be reset into Aaa anyway, lol
This reminds me, why are most of the personalities in Fionna's world equivalent, but Gary is totally different from Bubblegum? He's meek, not conniving.
Cuz gay.
They're both at different positions. PB I'd a monarch and has to worry about her subjects. Gumball is just a cook and his caring personality is just transferred to the people he knows.
Doesn't explain why he's like that in the normal F&C episodes
Oh yeah. Shit I guess Primso just doesn't like PB.
He's very much like PB in F&C episodes. He was a baker because canonically, back then Ice King didn't understand any sciences so for him it was indistinguishable from baking and cooking.
How would you know? We seen so very little of him for the longest time except the time he tricked Fionna to fetch him the raw materials for her own gift
I miss him bros
Those two should've fused and banged Huntress Wizard pregnant
Sequel with their kid and Bubblegum and Marceline's demon gum golem clone
>Bubblegum and Marceline's demon gum golem clone
Sounds metal.
At least he got the demon out right?
So is this show a sequel, or what?
pretty much, yeah
Well I'm pretty sure I stopped watching during or after season 3, and all my knowledge of stuff afterwards is based on hearsay, so I guess that makes another reason for me to not watch this. At least, not until/unless I end up deciding to watch everything else so I'll know what's going on.
Don't bother if you hate dykes.
I don't. Also, I know about that already. I've been on Cinemaphile for a while now.
You have my sympathies.
>You're nothing but a spell battery to me. You probably only have good joke left in you
Damn I was not expecting Simon to get this brutal, even if Choose Goose is corrupted by evil now. I kinda like it when Simon says dark shit like that.
>only have one good jolt left in you
Apparently he actually says "jolt" according to the subs; I thought he said joke at first too, though doesn't really make a big difference.
And I agree, it's surprising but interesting.
Yeah it really shows Simon is willing to kill someone in order to get Betty back. Simon becomes a pretty dangerous individual if you are in his path to reach Betty. The Betty brain rot has really fricked Simon's morals up to
He is literally suffering from terminal oneitis
Simon REALLY needs to let Betty go, she wouldn't want him to be miserable over her. Its one of the reasons I hope he gets with Fionna
You had me up until the last part. I don't think the crew is ballsy enough to go for an endgame couple where one is a guy pushing 50 and a girl who is at youngest 20
I think Fionna is at her mid to late twenties but yeah, I find thst unlikely too.
Fionna WILL breed Simon
Simon needs a children and pregnant Fionna by his side with cake
god he's so cute
Simon want's to become the ice king again as a form of suicide with a façade of "noble sacrifice"
He want's to fade away back into madness to not have to deal with his problems and put his life back together without Betty
He is going by the same arc as Fiona and Prismo, as they all need to come to terms with their lives situations
made for forced prostitution and coercion
gimme some requests for fionna and simon
i'm at work but it's relatively slow so i can draw a bit
draw fionna pinkman and mr. petrikov
Fionna giving Simon a playful slap on the butt.
imbecil!
someone drew this on twitter but i can't find it
Cute! Thank you very much, anon.
Cute
yeah I know someone already drew it but I have a need for more fionna pinkman
well i am skyler white, yo
Fionna garbing Simon by the collar and slapping him repeatedly as he tries to say Betty's name, while cakes plays with the GOLB idol in the background
Fionna and simon sharing the blue moo moo
coloring on a phone is very difficult
Very nice!
Marceline swallowing bubblegum.
Fiona entering the Source Engine Void
Silent Hill 2, Simon as James and Fionna as Maria
what if it ends with simon and betty's wedding
That would be so damn cute.
do you think he slapped the shit out of them 6 times for fricking up all his stuff
Probably more than just six times.
Maybe an insult even worse tbqh.
The art you posted is a really good summarization of the whole finale.
Yep seems like people finally got what they wanted. Then things just kept going.
> like people finally got what they wanted
Yup, that's totally what everybody outside of tumblr dykes and braindead woke journos wanted. Totally. Finn? First time in my life I'm hearing that stupid sounding name.
He probably screamed "Fricking Dykes!" in his spider gibberish
(triple dubs god damn)
i don't know if there's any reason for that to happen but i never saw anyone consider the possibility, so
yeah, even more fricked up when you remember as soon as he puts it on he's basically doomed to either die or become ice king permanently. Literally the crown possesses you and makes you want to keep putting it on until it drives you insane. Really all of Fioana and cake kind of sucks the two mcs are incredibly unlikeable and childish one being a whole as mid to late 20 something and the other a cat. Like their dynamic feels like a worse finn and jake, except make both of them buttholes and idiots. Cake isn't wise or street smart to play off fiona's ignorance and recklessness like finn and jake.
Add on to this it's seems like a bad series, as the only relatable character is simon and he's basically being pulled along in this bs. As you said bro is literally just depressed and it kind of ruins him and AT's ending. Bro went from a tragic hero trapped in his own body driven mad saving a young innocent child that was like his daughter. To being a depressed immortal old man willing to become a menace just because he doesn't care anymore. Basically they plan on killing the only good and likeable character in the series to save two buttholes that just want to be heroes. Fiona b***hes about her friends dying but refused to go back home, it makes her seem hypercritcal. She's basically ok with simon killing himself/mind breaking himself so she can live her power fantasy unlike finn in AT she's way to old to be this childish. I mean i'd want to live in a magical world as the Mc too but come on. I hope things work out for Simon but his name ain't in the title, seems like the AT writers now won't stop until they ruin all the characters
>Fiona b***hes about her friends dying but refused to go back home, it makes her seem hypercritcal.
Are you moronic, if she just did that, most likely Scarab would have caught Prismo still, and Simon would've been captured. Then Prismo and Simon get arrested and incinerated, and all of Fionna's world with them. Also if I knew my world and friends got altered severely by a magic force that I have a chance at fixing? I probably would stick around in the magic world to try and fix it too. I mean shit everyone has dreams about their real selves constantly like Hot Dog Prince and Grass Fionna, that has to mean something.
I will never understand the hate for the og ending.
We didn't get any of the fun stuff we were kinda promised. Finn wasn't really the hero, and it was mostly about side characters people didn't like, like Betty. It was meloncholy, and in a lot of ways antithetical to the adventure time I really loved.
>It was meloncholy
That was most of the show.
Nah, certainly not most, it's just what made the strongest impact on you.
I hated that she was adding rules to what was previously a free-for-all, and that they've actually stuck with them even though they're super depressing. Her thesis statement is basically that magic is bad. How sad is that?
wait when did betty add rules to magic?
I think she was the one who introduced the idea that magic in AT is irreversably linked with "Madness and Sadness"
Basically, the idea that ALL wizards, witches and other magic-wielders are either insane, depressed, or both.
god I hate the writers that came along towards the end. "Heh what if magic sucked for no reason", like say it requires some level of sacrifice or equivalent exchange as they do in other stuff. But just making all magic make you mad or sad is moronic shit half the cast aren't magic and are sad and insane
>But just making all magic make you mad or sad is moronic shit half the cast aren't magic and are sad and insane
No, i think it's not "magic makes you insane", it's "all magic users are mad or insane because it's a requirement to do magic"
I suppose it would also kinda correlate to Huntress Wizard's fear about becoming 'soft'. If she stops being sad and alone, she stops being magic, and that would make her weak. Maybe Finn finally made her happy and that's why she's using a normal bow now...the last time she used a bow was when everyone lost their magic due to Bella Noche
>Spoiler
That would be so cool.
It would, but it seems the writers are allergic to showing huntress wizard for more than 3 seconds at once. Just like we never learned what caused he to give up her idea of Hard meat don't get eat inbetween the episodes of Flute Spell and Wild Hunt
Maybe she decided she didn't want to let him escape after seeing finn playing his flute for bronwyn
If I have learned anything from growing up with this show it's that if you wait the good shit will come.
What fricking show did you grow up with?
This show has gotten progressively worse at every turn. The only time it ever got better was after it was impossible to go lower after bottoming out in like season 6.
That kind of sucks, but at this point trying to understand or like what the writers do in this series is like pulling teeth. Most of the writing falls further and further apart, it definitely was never like that earlier. it's why a lot of people consider betty one of the bigger detriments to the series.
Honestly this is one of my favorite parts of AT. Adds such a wonderful context to everything. The reason magic is a rarity and typically an enemy is because it's wielded by people who are deeply unhappy or deeply unstable, and rarely on your side. To find happiness is to give up sorcery, and that's a sacrifice many people won't make, so they'll stay perpetually unhappy until they finally choose to give up power in exchange for enlightenment - if they still have the choice. It's a fantastic little nugget of worldbuilding.
I loved that too. Really fits into the whole thing about finding peace. Like with Jake and all the deadworlds.
The whole show had the " I'm at Disney World but I have 6 months to live." vibe..
>Come along and play with me.
>like Betty
I like Betty, she's an awful person she's great
I like the b***h for being just so crazy.
Betty in the show is pretty bland and a plot device more than anything else but I have started to like her due to funny fanart and shit from over the years
I like that she's pretty mentally unstable, she threw out her plans to travel the day she met Simon. I like that the show framed her attempts to cure him as being shitty because she doesn't care to acknowledge Ice King as his own person. It seemed like point being hammered home is that whatever she does won't bring back the Simon she loved and that she was her own downfall for not accepting who he is now. This is a person unable to cope with tragedy, who's arc is about failing to overcome her struggles and making things worse for everyone else.
It's part of why I dislike the finale though, she got her way in the end and there wasn't enough time to address the repercussions of her actions. It made all the morons with no media literacy think she's in the right. Betty was an antagonist till the very end, when she brought Simon back she left him widowed and depressed. It's good that F&C actually brings attention to how Simon didn't get magic'd into a happy, mentally stable man and is still suffering.
tl;dr Betty sucks as a person, she's a compelling character though
> It seemed like point being hammered home is that whatever she does won't bring back the Simon she loved and that she was her own downfall for not accepting who he is now.
I wish this were the case, but I don’t think it was. At least some of the time, the show acted as if ‘curing’ Ice King was both A) possible and B) desirable. When the finale happened, I think we were supposed to come away with the feeling that Simon coming back was a good thing, it was just unfortunate that Betty had to become gold to do it. So now F+C making Simon’s existence miserable seems like a partial backtrack
The Ice King isn't his own person, it's a defunct wish spell.
Was she actually autistic?
Another person that never grew up.
i feel like the tone is less "i need to return to being The Ice King" and more "I need that magic, and I know I'm basically destined to be Ice King, so if I can find a way to be a DIFFERENT kind of Ice King, I might be able to get everything I want", which is a dangerous game to play, but they specifically showed us an Ice King who WASN'T crazy in the sailor moon segment. I think that's intentional. I think Simon is going to be able to find a truer sense of himself by merging who he is with who he was as the Ice King. Not insane, but also maybe a little bit nuts, in a way that might make him less cripplingly depressed.
>Ice King was the greatest thing ever because he was so fun and did wacky shit
As a character in a show, I would rather him stay ice king. The development was cool and it added some depth, but it was fun when he was the wacky wizard who then mellowed out and stopped being the main antagonist. The Simon shit kind of made it too much of lore-shit.
If he was real, it is fricked up saying that he should have his mind warped by a magic crown and some multi-dimensional being.
Simon's gonna win king of Cinemaphile someday at this rate.
Oh wait I've been spending too much time at Cinemaphile
>Simon's gonna win Mr. Cinemaphilelympus at this rate.
>I've been spending ... time on Cinemaphile
I'm sorry.
Everyone tells him that they liked him better as ice king+ he didn't have to suffer then.
So do they have to kill ice thing then? Can ice thing speak? It should as Gunther was able to in evergreen. Also we see ice thing in the distant future when the treehouse regrows
Also ice thing is missing an eye already implying that Gibon already took it now and still has it 1000 years later as seen on come along with me
Ice thingsmeye fell out on its own and he gave it to Turtle Princess as a wedding Ring. Gibbon probably doesn't take it until after Turtle Princess dies.
It's the lose gem from the crown that was used to save Ooo. It's been dislodged before but Gibbon is definitely in possession of it
I'm surprised people don't know why Simon is popular. Emet-Selch from XIV is basically the evil variant of Simon down to the same hair style and depression and he's stupidly popular.
People go nuts over an older depressed man.
>Emet-Selch
NOOOO DON'T BRING HIM UP AGAIN, I JUST GOT OVER HIM DON'T TAKE ME BACK THERE
I have a feeling this is going to end in a dark way. I just don't know if they can write Simon out of this corner without him losing more of himself.
>Maybe when you're older Finn, this is a... grown up thing
Does grownup finn ever get invited to the "girls" night
>Fioana
Hmm.. This show is starting to get interesting to me somehow.. Prismo huh? I wonder if he exists... Somewhere IRL. I know I sorta sound like a schizo right now.