It's moronic how Muto turned Finn into a hedonistic adventurer that kills for thrills. The series pre-establishes him as a pacifist so why make him into this autistic sociopath now. Finn regressed to season 1 levels of emotional maturity and seems incapable of the most basic empathy for Simon. But at least he gets to be with Huntress Wizard so everything is okay I guess.
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Because he’s punished Finn now
I'd say it's overcorrection normally, but Muto definitely looked at the backlash and said "haha okay here's your toxic masculine hero, motherfrickers"
Shameless
Why does he keep fricking Finn up? I’m so tired bros
He's an envious frick. Adventure Time will never be his no matter what he does. Therefore he treats characters poorly as a bitter tantrum.
There is nothing Toxic or over-compensating.
Finn hunt for defence and food. I particularly like the touch of how he thanks the creature he just had slay for providing him with his next meal.
Did you even watch the bear fight? He was clearly trying to get Simon's rocks off by having him murder. Dude is straight up sociopath now and it’s Mutto’s fault.
>Did you even watch the bear fight?
Yeah, the bear was trying to kill Simon. This wasn't mindless killing.
>murder
Bear started it. It needed to die. It almost seemed like a rite of passage thing for Simon in Finn's eyes. They definitely weren't out looking for a fight though.
>Muto
Who? I thought this show was created by someone named Pendleton Ward?
Pen stopped writing for the show within a year of him stopping posting here.
Pen did like a total of 10 episodes.
>You don't get it man
Old stuff bad and you are horrible person for liking Finn so looks how we will make him bad so you like our new stuff
>The series pre-establishes him as a pacifist
is this Black person serious?
You fricking moron. He gradually became more pacifistic through the show and that solidified once he killed Fern.
>solidified once he killed Fern.
that was just guilt
>He gradually became more pacifistic through the show and that solidified once he killed Fern.
AND THAT WAS moronic
THE BILLY EPISODE MOCKED THAT MORAL
And HW snapped him out of it because he was being a little b***h
Now I want to see HW fricking the pacifism out of Finn.
who thought this was ok lmao
Because this is a common practice. Creators sometimes feel like the things they want to do won’t get approved, so they’ll make something ever worse that they never intended to use so the thing they want to use will get approved. It happened with the South Park Movie and Epic Mickey too.
When did they change it from this to
I feel like I remember seeing the more gruesome title card on tv when it came out.
They would never put that original title card on air. You probably saw it online and it blended in with memories of watching the episode.
You’d think Finn would be more empathetic for sure. One the one hand he has no context for what Simon going through, this is his normal and there’s a decent idea in there about death making him appreciate life more.
On the other, he’s clearly regressed by using Jakes kids and non stop adventures as a coping mechanism and that feels like the wrong note to leave Finns life on
>One the one hand he has no context for what Simon going through
I think Finn can actually relate because he recently lost Jake (notice his tattoo)
He can relate to the Betty thing sure which he does try to help but he can’t relate with the existential aspect of being a living fossil/burden to everyone around you while everyone prefers you when you were crazy to the point you dress like your crazy self to feel normal again.
That’s some heavy shit and honestly Finn not knowing what to do isn’t the problem.
If this comes back later on, it’s fine and no one will question it. Having him act like this until death is kinda disturbing
I feel like we caught Finn in the midst of some fresh emotional trauma. He doesn't seem like a sociopath. He wants to help but he doesn't even know how to help himself in this regard. I think he's coming back sometime later in the season so maybe that will come up and he will deal with Jake's death so that we don't assume he was numbing the pain with thrillseeking until he was an old man.
He didn't "kill for thrills". He just enjoys the hunt. The lack of emotional intelligence was jarring though, I'd fault them for that.
In anyone else a little bothered he still has that Teen Finn Voice? I think his voice should be at least a bit lower to match his looks.
Yeah I hoped they'd use different voice actor for when he's an adult like they did in the episode Puhoy, but it's whatever
>In anyone else a little bothered he still has that Teen Finn Voice?
Kind of, mostly because I'm accustomed to characters who start out as hulking dudes having voices like that. Finn and Jeremy Shada are pretty much the same age though, and Finn's voice would progress the same way Jeremy's would. It's just that Jeremy has a very teen sounding voice, which is something that couldn't be foreseen when he was cast as a little kid.
I don't understand not pitching it down, it reminds me of when they had Dante Basco voice Zukos ~40 year old son and it still sounded like teenage Zuko
I did think it was weird how he wasn't truly listening to what Simon was saying to get a better understanding his problems and even when he was injured he just went " haha cool!!"
Which seems like Flanderization of who Finn truly was and the character development he had.
>ENJOY YOUR BADASS MACHO FINN
Where are the mega links?
https://mega.nz/folder/HyQAmJZA#0K0K8_87YV4YN9SMu10olw
Thx anon
English subs that are embedded into the mp4s don't work, and opensubs only has an upload for episode 1.
Strike that, the opensubs file has something fricked going on, because no matter how much time I try to delay it by to get it to sync properly, it plays at the exact same timecode - which is also wrong.
>1080p
3.1GB for just two 25 minute episodes?
and they don't even have english subtitles
That's normal for a webrip.
amazon.com, click the button that says 'max' then hit 'subcribe'
Thanks vrub
This is classic himbo Finn. He's never been good at navigating complex emotional issues. He just throws shit in the vault as a coping mechanism or distracts himself with quests. You're completely wrong about him not showing empathy for Simon, he just doesn't know how to help him through this. I guarantee you that Muto understands Finn as a character better than you and most of Cinemaphile
Not true.
He showed a lot of emotional maturity in the later seasons of AT and they were writing him almost like a complete pacifist
I'm not saying Finn is devoid of emotional intelligence. He recognised Simon needed help and tried to help him him best he could. He's just not very good at dealing with emotional problems.
>He showed a lot of emotional maturity in the later seasons of AT and they were writing him almost like a complete pacifist
I kinda hated that shit, because it came across less as maturation and more like depression. That said, I'd say Thrillseeker Finn is also suffering depression. Finn has always had a passion for quests and adventures, but the way it's depicted here is less passion and more addiction.
All we expect is a continuum regarding his character. Some fricking indication of emotional intelligence which we know he has. Muto's a hack anon I'm sorry.
Ok Muto thats enough posting now.
You'd hope he'd be slightly more aware when he's fricking 30, but he should have had more of a reaction to Simon getting hurt, maybe he tries to check in on him after he got hurt and Simon lies and says he's fine.
Finn not knowing how to solve the problem is fine, but he should have been more aware of it not working and then simon lies to put Finn at ease(he does this in episode but Finn is convinced he's helping, having Finn be more concerned before Simon says it worked would have worked better)
I'm more willing to forgive the rest of the episode since it was done well but the finn stuff is wonky, it's a good thing Simons plot is so good
This. Simon's plot was good enough I ignored the Finn butchering but what pisses me off is that Muto has had Distant Lands and now a spin-off to correct his character and CONTINUES to frick him up.
There was no butchering to ignore in the first place.
He can see if he is dangerously wunded or not. Frick, he even tend to his arm and make a bandage.
>but the finn stuff is wonky
No, it's fitting of a Finn that recently loss Joke.
Finn ignored Simon's wound. Simon bandaged himself. How could you miss that? Finn used the cloth for a blindfold because he's autistic and implied to be sociopathic and you're gonna fricking like it or you're just another toxic fan.
>nd implied to be sociopathic
Don't use words you don't understand. Someone sociopathic would not try to cheer someone else.
Cheering someone up through encouraging murder sounds pretty sociopathic to me
Killing animals is not murder
Going on a wild trip is not encouraging murder. he only hunted for food or in self defense, anon. Watch the show before complaining about it.
>self-defense
Then why was he reveling in the bloodshed? Because that's a completely normal thing that’s consistent with his character?
>Then why was he reveling in the bloodshed?
The thrill of the fight, anon. Pointing that out doesn't make it any les self-defence.
>Because that's a completely normal thing that’s consistent with his character?
Actually, yes, it is. Finn has always enjoyed a good fight.
>"If you're an evil witch, I will punch you for fun!"
Finn has never had a problem slaying things that are evil or otherwise attack him. You're acting like he's slaughtering innocents. It was an aggressive magic bear, and Finn is competent enough now where that's trivial.
The only time Finn has ever had a problem with killing a monster was in "The Wild Hunt", and HW depussyfied him. Now we're to believe she's been fricking the pussy out of him for 12 years straight. I think it's consistent.
I actually felt HW's influence on Finn a lot in this episode. I wonder what kind of effect Finn has had on her. I also wonder why they haven't made babies yet.
>I wonder what kind of effect Finn has had on her.
I didn't think about that, but I hope we get to see her. I kind of doubt we will though.
>I also wonder why they haven't made babies yet.
There was that HW looking human child in the trailer, but who knows what's going on with all the multiverse crap
This statement itself is incorrect and also based on incorrect assumptions.
>self defense is encouraging murder
Maybe YOU are the sociopath.
Nah there was no murder planned anon, this is a bad take. Finn should have been more aware about Simon but it was an evil bear and in self defense. There's no major fault with encouraging him to defend himself and kill it
Killing the bear is not the problem in itself. It’s how he pushed Simon to kill it and his general apathy that's fricked.
>It’s how he pushed Simon to kill it and his general apathy that's fricked.
He think it's a way Simon will feel alive and good again, anon. That's not apathy.
Did everyone just suddenly forget what Finn is all about? His foster parents were adventuring weirdos (his dad setting up a deadly dungeon for em), he lived in a tree house with his equally crazy bro since he was twelve, and does this sort of shit every day. The kid even went out of his way to kill a bear (evil) to make his signature hat.
This shit is the norm and works for him. It just doesnt work for Simon
worked for Americans
>loss Joke
Finn couldn't even tell that Simon miscarried.
>There was a little guy in there
Finn is pro abortion
I think Simon performed some emergency self-aid and bandaged his wound himself....Finn was too busy walking around with a blindfold (which at first I thought he was going to use on Simon to stop the bleeding lmfao)
Muto we all know you're a limp dick homosexual who takes Black person dick up your ass
Finncels will literally never be happy until Finn is portrayed with zero character flaws. I'm so over it.
No, we just want him to have character flaws that are consistent with his pre-established persona, and which don't make him somehow almost completely monstrous
have a nice day.
Finn is great right now. You are a monster, for having such a shit taste, your shit taste turned you into an horrid autistic creature.
I was beyond excited to see fully bearded out Billy-fied Finn and enjoyed him killing things with ease on a superficial level, but within the context of the show it was not a celebration of that aspect of his character and was actually a condemnation.
Look look, you misunderstand me. By monstrous I don't mean the actual actions. By monstrous I mean this reeks of classic Muto "guys, did you know Finn's heroic nature is toxic ackshually?" nonsense with the way it's framed. I don't mean that Finn himself is monstrous (I do the exact same shit albeit to a lesser degree, so that would be me throwing stones in glass houses), I mean we're clearly supposed to be seeing this as LE BAD and LE MONSTROUS. It feels really stupid too, given way back in S3 Muto ran that gladiator episode, which was supposed to be a deconstruction of Finn's hotheaded proclivity to violence, but the whole point of that episode was that Finn wasn't truly defined by that, it was his righteous heart that made the difference, and allowed him to knowingly play up how others perceived him in order to intelligently pull one over on the villain, save himself, Jake and all the lost souls. Given we had that in season fricking three, these attempts at handling Finn feel like a regression, and it reads to me like Muto failed to understand his own writing, or otherwise forgot that HE HIMSELF once made the point that Finn shouldn't be so quickly defined by assumptions about how healthy his behaviour is
I think your brain is actually poisoned. That you've gotten to the point where you mentally can't interpret the fact that the writers don't hate Finn, so everything they do with him you mentally twist into being a condemnation. In the episode "The wild hunt" Finn is put off killing because he accidentally "killed" Fern. The lesson of that episode was him realising that in order to protect his friends and loved ones, like Fern and HW, he needed to be able to step up and fight a monster. That lesson clearly carried over to him in adulthood, as he fights the monsters to protect Simon and also provide food for the two of them. This means it isn't a condemnation of his lifestyle, as they already established it as a positive one.
>What about pacifist Finn in the finale
That was him trying to prevent an all out war that would lead to a lot of suffering. Especially as PB and Gumbald were both rational people, not force of nature monsters meaning he didn't need to jump to fighting.
>that gladiator episode, which was supposed to be a deconstruction of Finn's hotheaded proclivity to violence, but the whole point of that episode was that Finn wasn't truly defined by that
This is still in line with the Finn we saw in this episode. Finn isn't 100% kill mode all the time and suggests other things to Simon before recommending a bonding adventure.
Dude. Fricking read.
I'm not suggesting personal condemnation against Finn is at play (even though we have reason to believe other writers like Wolfhard did). All I'm saying is the team can't write Finn without flipflopping on how they portray his defining traits - the sheer amount of debate over whether or not Finn's current state is healthy or not should indicate some degree of uncertainty on the part of the writers, filtered through the poisoned well that was the later seasons. Naturally the first response is going to be one of skepticism over what direction they're trying to take this in, and as we've seen time and again they cannot consistently hold to a character direction, it is very difficult to interpret this in light of The Wild Hunt's positive spin on it, and it is especially rare for a character's flaws to be presented without commentary by this show, so it's difficult to interpret this situation as simply being a judgement-free look at the pros and cons of Finn's current outlook on life. The blindfold gag in particular seems damning.
>what about pacifist finn
I didn't say anything about pacifist Finn, I think you have me confused for somebody else.
>last bit
I'm aware. It's more a matter of the framing of Finn's mindset going into the choice of bonding adventure. Again with the blindfold gag we're being given visual shorthand to say that Finn may be trying, but he's utterly and almost wilfully blind to the nature of the situation, regarding Simon's aptitude and emotional handling of it. A bonding adventure doesn't need to involve going up against shapeshifting bear wizards and getting hurt, I really believe that by them picking such an over the top bonding activity for them, that the suggestion is that Finn is well-intentioned but too blinded by these intentions to look past his own personal circumstances and own personal enjoyments.
>the team can't write Finn without flipflopping on how they portray his defining traits
Maybe, but I don't think it is as bad as you are suggesting it is. I never got a single ounce of "the writers are showing that Finn's lifestyle is in the wrong" I only for the intentions that "Its hard to help a friend with depression" which is actually very true, speaking as someone who has had to help friends with depression I have related to the situation. Simon wasn't fully open about his feelings, and especially as Finn is a very straightforward guy and is also not a trained therapist he isn't going to know much much Simon is keeping from him, so he can only work off what Simon tells him which was that he was tired of his mundane life and not fitting in, so Finn's solution was spicing up his mundane life with adventure by inviting Simon along to also help him feel more included.
The blindfold bit was a very strong call back to hall of egress, which wasn't saying Finn is blind to the problems around him, it shows that Finn personally is a spiritual person now who is in tune with his surroundings and finds that navigating forests blind can be cathartic, it helped him discover himself in the past so maybe it could help Simon. But of course art is subjective maybe, so your interpretation of it being a metaphor for him being blind to Simon's problems might also be true. But this all depends on how you go into the episode mentally.
>I didn't say anything about pacifist Finn
I know, it was a "just in case" thing since I predicted someone might try bringing that up to counter the idea that killing monsters is in Finn's characterisation and didn't want to make a second post about that.
yeah if Egress didn't exist I could completely buy that the blindfolds were a metaphor for Finn "being blind," but considering that Egress does exist and the entire episode was about Finn maturing and even gaining "new sight" with how he saw through the world after he finally solved it I think that's meant to be a sign of Finn's maturation not regression
or at least that's what the writers intended, depends on if you agree with that or not
also take note that finn is completely aware of his surroundings even when blindfolded. he mentions the river and everything even when it's on. I think that gives weight to the "more spiritual" interpretation.
Alright, gotcha anon, these are fair points. I myself am in the process of rewatching the series and am about halfway through S5, so a lot of the writing frickery is fresh in my mind and about to get a whole lot worse soon, so that's definitely the frame of mind I've been going into this with.
YOU ARE A MONSTER!
>For having such bad taste...
Anon if you think the way Finn acted in the episode was "monstrous" then I think you might be the sociopath here.
It’s definitely the most monstrous and violent deaths we’ve seen in Adventure Time.
Not even close to being true
Also it's a monster Finn has been killing them gleefully since he was 12, just because there's red blood this time doesn't mean it's fricked up now.
You don’t see the difference between that and neck snapping and bloody impalement?
You really think they were gonna show deaths in a kids show as violent as they would be in a show specifically for adults? Finn's been killing shit since childhood, what difference does it make how violent it is anyway?
What difference indeed? Why is the violence suddenly a focus? Maybe because it’s being portrayed negatively?
Because its a show for older audiences so they are allowed to show this kind of violence. They even take the time to show Finn being spiritual and thanking the monster after he kills it like he's a native american or something. That's obviously a positive portrayal of him by showing a level of spirituality and maturity to him.
It’s not positive at all. It’s violent, bloody, unnecessary and self serving.
>completely monstrous
The monster's alignment was obviously neutral evil, nothing wrong with killing it.
>decide to give this show a shot
>sailor moon reference not even a minute in
we are not off to a good start
Right there with you bud, what even is this shit
We'll never get the OG Adventure time vibes back
fionna and cake was ALWAYS a maho theme design its why Fionna doesn't have Finn body proportions and its more anime
This was Natasha intent since the start
thats good but they dont have to be so in your face with it.
also steven universe has made me weary of sailor moon inspired cartoons
Only a cynical would dislike it for that
It was women and trannies, dude....
moron
You're not in school any more, you don't have to pretend scorn for Sailor Moon.
homie, he's killing monsters.
>Finncels spent years complaining that Muto turned Finn into an 'useless' passive boy
>Now they complain about Muto turning Finn into a badass warrior
I was wondering how people would turn this around to the writers hating Finn.
Cinemaphile is not one person, most people like Finn being cool
Holy fricking shit, please tell me this whole thread is some kind of false flagging psyop bait shit to get people angry, please don’t tell me the same people who hates muto for supposedly turning Finn into a “pacifist homosexual cuck” are now complaining that he’d made Finn into a muscular happy and bombastic adventurer who still spends regular time with Huntress Wizard and can literally wrestle a giant shapeshifting bear monster with his bare hands and snap it’s neck. I refuse to believe that you’d all genuinely be that miserable that when you get a Finn that’s what you wanted handed on a silver platter you ape out and claim his character has been ruined. If this is genuine then you’ve all failed as human beings in my eyes.
I think that's only like 10% of the people in this thread
I think if this thread gets more than 20 posters that percentage will go down.
I'm not the OP, Just think they could have made Finn a bit more aware of the fact Simon's arm got slashed up and not indifferent.
I think it's a little wonky otherwise we wouldn't have posters like OP getting confused but it works great in the context of Simons story.
Think people just don't like the idea of Finn repressing his emotions until he dies, it's a sad concept to think about
>I'm not the OP, Just think they could have made Finn a bit more aware of the fact Simon's arm got slashed up and not indifferent.
He could see it was not deadly.
A slash like that on a regular human isn't nothing anon, a vertical slice up the arm could kill you irl.
Still though, it's a minor detail anyway.
>A slash like that on a regular human isn't nothing anon
You don't know how deep it is and a simple bandage seems enough to stop the bleeding. Don't talk out of your ass.
He was slashed by a giant bear anon, fricking hell how is that not cause for concern?
The goose is cooked, one might even say
he's fricked
I meant before that, did dark magic really frick him up that bad?
Yep, Simon obviously used him as a battery because no one would miss his evil ass
I feel bad for him, he never really had a choice in the matter
I'm ill-at-ease about what happened to Goose and I hope he gets fixed. He won't, but it would make me feel better.
I was convinced he was going to be the villain of this honestly, shocked they even turned him evil just to kill him off asap. Still i'm interested in seeing the multiverse gods/prismos bosses
He could see he was okay. He has experience in that.
I'm OP. I agree it's good as forward momentum for Simon's plot but it seems insincere to me since such a defining part of Finn's development was growing empathy for Ice King. The idea of Finn regressing his emotions until death is moronic and doomer as frick which is exactly why it won't surprise anyone when Muto decides to go through with it.
>since such a defining part of Finn's development was growing empathy for Ice King.
That's exactly what he is doing, there. Trying to cheer him up and give him some moral boost.
>The idea of Finn regressing his emotions
That's not what's happening, at all.
This sums up the thread. They will never be happy because they refuse to be happy.
Or you can simply admit that there are more than one person on Cinemaphile and that people who wanted chad Finn are having a blast, while people that wanted lame Finn are complaining.
This, also at this point the term finncel is useless and dykegays should drop it to not look like fools. Many of the so called finncels don't even care about Finn that much in the place to be angry about how he's doing in the show, most are just angry shippers that are angry that fav ship didn't happen and wasn't endgame (PB, FP, Marceline) and will never stop complaining.
>entire thread is literally just people saying "no, frick off"
Are you moronic or just willfully ignoring everything that doesn't fit your moronic point about "le finncels"
what if that bear was HW and he unknowingly killed her
Slightly different eyes, but noticeable. Don't worry that was the first thing I checked.
He does seem happy. He definitely has found inner peace with living, seeming very in tune with his surroundings.
They literally made Finn a barbarian adventure with a gf and huge muscles and people are still upset about it, some Finngays here are so caught up in their persecution complexes that they can't even enjoy the cool new Finn that we got, its making me a little sad
I am simultaneously enjoying those parts a lot but also very saddened that this is presenting Finn as just sort of in denial about Jake's death and using adventures to push those feelings away and he's like that until he dies as an old man
Have a Finn art right back at you
Thats fair, but also keep in mind that he was actively trying to help someone cope with their depression, so it makes sense for that sad side of him to be shown
what a good twink
it's a shame we'll probably never see him again and all that's left is this hulking brute
femboy death is always a tragedy
You seem to think that the terms twink and femboy are interchangable, which is wrong. Another way that you're wrong is ascribing either of those terms to Finn. He was never a twink or a femboy, you numbskull.
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Based post, the whiners here are insane. He crushes monsters and smashes huntress wizard pussy you incels will never be happy.
Finn is clearly trying to help Simon the way he thinks will work - through thrills and adventure. He doesn’t have the capacity to address Simon’s depression. He’s not a sociopath, he just can’t provide Simon what he needs emotionally because they are wired differently.
Yeah, and I honestly understand the Finn approach. It's worked to varying degrees for myself in the past. After my dog and friend passed away, I threw myself into creative projects to keep myself busy. It was a good "distraction" for lack of a better term, until I had enough distance from the issue that I could approach it in a not so overwhelming way. And consequently I proved to myself that I could keep on going without them there.
I love the depiction of Finn here. I just hope he finds some kind of true peace. Together Again doesn't explicitly say his grief took over his life, and I hope they don't make it so. I understand that you never really get over a loss like that, but you can still make something of the life you've got.
So what's up with Choose goose?
I’m assuming this is the result of what he does at the end of Distant Lands: Wizard City
Muto hated his boss and the basic premise and only took the horribly grueling and underpaid position as showrunner because it would let him subvert it in the ways he wanted.
Muto clearly has some misandry issues, especially with adolescent male fantasies, and rather than work them out with therapy he aired them out in "his" show.
Jesus Christ, have sex
Muto and Pen are calarts buddies.
holy morono. They are bros they just had a different idea of what adventure time is
>finn is back to being chad warrior man
This is a good thing, am i supposed to be mad?
My biggest disappointment about Fiona & Cake is how they originally make her 17 when Finn started 12. Like, where’s my cartoon about a girl having a crush on an adult prince like Finn with PB.
Why go for the boring path and make it about a girl lusting over a boy with 1-2 years older than her? It’s so generic and commonly found everywhere.
Then again, it’s Ice King who wrote that shit, so of course he picked a sexualized gender bent grown up, he literally dumped PB to not become a pedo when she turned into a child.
>My biggest disappointment about Fiona & Cake is how they originally make her 17
Did they? I though she was only like 15 or so, maybe only slightly older than Finn. Remember Finn was like 14-15 himself at the time.
Fiona was straight up almost an adult, and definitely the “same” age as Prince Gumball and Marshall.
Finn got it hard with his crushes because he was just a kid wanting to date adults. What did Fiona got that stop her? Nothing. She could just date her Candy Prince without issues, where’s the whole fricking point then?
It was cute watching Finn as a kid trying to win Princess Bubblegum’s heart out of innocence.
Fiona was just your average “quirky girl” that gets everything thrown to her shoes despite being “different”.
Again, it’s in character FOR ICE KING to write that sort of lazy stories.
Actually Finn is showing respect to the monsters so he does appear to be killing out of necessity. There's your silver lining, no explaining why he ignored Simon's wound though.
It wasn't that bad. Nothing a simple bandage couldn't fix.
He didn’t ignore it, he’s used to adventuring and knows when something is serious or not, and they showed right after he bandaged it up with ease and Simon was fine.
He still has the blindfold on when Simon is bandaged so Simon must've bandaged himself. It's impossible to miss, stop coping.
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>implying Finn can't bandage someone while blindfolded.
Exactly, he can navigate an ancient forest blindfolded, bandaging up Simon isn’t difficult at all.
>they showed right after he bandaged it up with ease
I'm actually unsure of this scene after looking again. At first I thought Simon was implying that Finn bandaged him off screen, but I also wonder if he was purely being sarcastic and "thanks for...everything" means "thanks for getting my arm fricked up for nothing bro."
no girlfriend no girlfriend incel finn
But he’s fricking huntress wizard
>The series pre-establishes him as a pacifist
I dont think we watched the same show, 12 year old Finn was violent as frick and would gladly behead a creature if he knew it was evil.
Wasn't there an opening to an episode where he's casually holding a severed head while walking along chatting with Jake?
OP might be talking about Finn at the end of the series, although the pacifist assessment isn't really correct there either. He mostly just calmed the hell down.
No one says he wasn't violent as a 12 yr old. He's a pacifist by the end of the show and that development was gradual. If it was season 1 Finn fighting Fern he wouldn't have spared a thought in killing him (and find joy in it). Just like Himbo Finn thoughtlessly used violence as a way to lift Simon up.
Hey mom, I posted it again.
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How is this toxic or sociopathic? He's actually cool for once. This is what we wanted. Too bad it came too late to make the main series not-garbage.
Finn becoming a pacifist was a terrible idea, they tried to make him Steven Universe when he wasn't that. And he does have empathy for Simon, he takes him on an adventure specifically to make him better. He is definitely in copium after Jake died, but he's not a complete sociopath. He even tried to cheer up Simon in many other ways at the bar before sending him to near-death adventures.
Most of these are good changes.
These moments of Simon with Finn really make me crave seeing the years after Simon was cured. I want to learn more about that dynamic.
They seem like close bros but it must be weird. Finn is an adventurer who's been doing that for decade while Simon is a sadsack normie human nerd. Plus Finn's most developmental time with Simon was really with the form of Simon that was possessed by an ice crown and was magically insane. It's a very odd friendship they must have.
>Finn is a badass monster killing adventure instead of a whiny homosexual complaining about girls
>I still hate it
lmao
Finn was pretty good. It's nice to see that he's still an adventurer and cool hero instead of like the last few seasons where he could hardly fight anything without losing and hardly ever did any epic heroic feats.
He's a good friend to Simon, and seems to be the only one who gives a shit about him (the humans are buttholes and Marceline is too gay to care). He helped out Simon in his own way while still being there the whole time to make sure the dude wasn't in too serious of danger.
He is sort of emotionally dumb, in a way that I agree later seasons Finn was even better than, which I suppose can be attributed to Jake dying and that having an effect on Finn (he's clearly going through his own shit) and whatever new way of life he's living. He has Jake's kids as constant sidekicks and is with HW, maybe even living with her, so maybe he got a bit more moroner when it comes to dealing with feelings and shit.
He's only sociopathic and hedonistic if you consider season 1 Finn to be. Monsters aren't people in AT they're dangers that need to be put down. Finn's pacifism was gay and stupid for this very reason and it's good to see that they aren't trying to make him a homosexual who doesn't still kill shit for justice and fun. Plus he was still violent as hell in Together Again and was prepared to fight a monster in Obsidian.
The only flaw with this Finn is that he seemed a bit less perceptive than one would think in regards to understanding how Simon is feeling, but that's it and you could come up with reasons for that. The rest is fricking awesome and I'm glad they made older Finn cool and entertaining, best part of the show so far. Sad this may be all we see of him. The HW shit was a cherry on top that wasn't even needed since it was already really good.
>one (1) autistic moron says that Finn no longer being an passive pussy like in the end of the show is le bad while nearly everyone else has been happy about him being shown as cool
>HUHUHUR WHY ARE FINNCELLS SO HYPOCRITICAL
I sure hope it’s just one moron, but many finncels have a habit of throwing a tantrum no matter what is put on their plate.
This is the first time there WAS something on the plate, anon. This is literally the first time since, I don't know, the FP breakup, where Finn was actually a badass hero.
I just noticed that Finn's blindfolded trip is a reference to Hall of Egress. Neat.
He's a more spiritual person now. HW probably had an influence in his current reverence for nature.
Finn honestly seems the most empathetic of anyone. No one else seems to even recognize that Simon is in distress, let alone try to help him. Finn both recognizes it and tries to help for no gain of his own. He just doesn't have a clue how to get Simon through this issue, ironically because the only people Finn associates with and from which he could learn to do that are also emotional messes, if not outright sociopaths themselves.
Finn definitely seems like he's relating his own spiritual journey as a way to help Simon find his a la Hall of Egress style but I don't see why Finn has such trouble connecting with Simon. He's consoled Ice King before in an emotionally intelligent manner.
Simon's a total normie
Yeah, part of Simon's malaise is a sense of isolation. Future humans are buttholes, and Finn's okay, but he's a savage barbarian man raised in the hellscape of Ooo that Simon can't relate to. Betty's dead and Marcy is moving on without him. Everyone else is some kind of creature making up the hellscape. He needs to find some frozen normies to thaw out and make his friends.
Simons arc will probably be to just accept the situation. It doesn’t have to be hellish, he could try and adapt instead of clinging to the past.
Does anyone have a mega for the specials? The one where "Jake dies"? As people have talked about.
Finn just became a worse character after season 3, maybe he was okay at 5 at most.
WHY THE HELL would one WANT later season Finn?
I don’t see the point of defending character development for its own sake, when the changes lead to a WORSE character that is less enjoyable to watch.
So is Hunter Wizard is a troony in Fionaverse?
Unlikely, just has a weird non binary VA. Think of it like normalising non binary VAs in the industry by allowing them to play binary characters, as otherwise there’d be very little acting roles available for them.
Finn was fun in this episode, frick you guys for trying to make it seem deeper than that.
I thought he was fun but there was also interesting character stuff going on with him, it was a total win in my book
The only good part of the AT universe is dead so I dont give a shit.
>The only good part of the AT universe is dead so I dont give a shit.
BMO is supposed to live up to the Future Ooo
That sucks.
why did they make him so HOT THOUGH
Because he looks like an adult instead of an lead-poisoned eunuch, fatass, or underdeveloped stringbean like 99.9% of male characters in cartoons
Is there an age requirement to be Daddy? Is he old enough? He's looking pretty Daddy right about now.
Old enough to pump several hybrid children in his feral wife.
Ha! gay.
moron
So it's clear at this point, the crew just plain fricking hates Finn to a weird degree someone can hate a cartoon character?
No that's not the case at all with Finn here unless you're a moron like OP who is getting mad over your own moronic interpretations of cartoon characters
I think what people describe as malice is mostly incompetence.
>The series pre-establishes him as a pacifist
I don't think we watched the same show
Looks like he turned into his father
Incels are triggered, obviously the show is doing something right.
What, you wanted a toxic masculine 80s style "Hero" and now the show gave you exactly what you asked for. A traditional styled Toxic masculine 1980s hero guy that only fights and tries to act cool, nothing else ever.
You got what you asked for in every single way.
Yep, it's great. A shame they didn't top it off by having Finn say he was going to frick the hell out of huntress. OP is a gay.
Some people will never be happy.
Marco's girlfriend is so cute.
I like moronic murder machine Finn more than anything the later half of the show did with him
Unironically made me give this show a chance
>What? After Jake died Finn sad around miserably doing nothing for the rest of his life wanting to die? The writers hate Finn!
>What? After Jake died Finn kept himself busy by still adventuring? So he's unhealthily repressing his feelings? The writers clearly hate Finn!
I don't get it. Are these different people saying this because they talk and post in the exact same way as each other which makes me think otherwise.
No you don't get it everyone who ever works on Adventure Time hates Finn because a literal decade ago he was an butthole to his girlfriend one time
What about me where Im mad Jake died instead of Finn.
Jake was older because he's a dog. They have shorter lifespans, even talking dogs as we saw with Josuha and Margret dying while Finn was still pretty young. It makes sense Jake died first, there was even multiple allusions to the fact Finn would have to accept his brother's passing one day. Although if you just prefer Jake surviving because you like Jake but hate Finn then I guess that probably doesn't matter to you.
Jake is part alien and has magic powers, they couldve very made him live longer without anybody questioning it.
I mean, he probably did still live longer. He's either based off an English Bulldog (8-10 years) or a pug (12 - 15 years) and he obviously lived longer that either of those.
even without taking any of the rest of the lore into consideration Jake ages like twice as fast as Finn, they were babies at the same time when when Finn was like 16 Jake was in his 40's. he could have either died from old age or just gotten so old that he was too frail to survive adventuring
>kill shit
>Eat eyes
>Frick huntress wizard
Simple as
The Finn we wanted but didn't deserve
this series is just going to be emotional drama catered to 30yo manchildren, huh? i was expecting it, yet I'm still disappointed.
They spell out FInn still miserable after all these years and these adventures are just his cope mechanics
Its unironically dungeon train 2.0
Sad to see he is not that happy even with HW at his side
It's almost like getting a chick does not fix all of your issues.
It's more positive than some people would think based on Together Again, thinking Finn spent 80 years crying about Jake and wanting to die.
I have faith he'll work through it. It'll be hard without Jake, hardest thing he's ever done I'm sure, but he's a tough cookie and still got a lot of time to get through the grieving process before he dies as an old ass man.
Nah, that's gay. Finn being a sad sack in a trailer was depressing. Now he's a cool hero, living in the woods with his tree wife, killing monsters and eating them. All that's left is some equally heroic children and he'll have finally gotten an ending he deserves.
Finn was never a bad friend though.
He's the only person in Simon's life attempting to help him. He's not as perceptive as one would've thought based on his character development in the later seasons, but that's just him being stupid not an butthole
Ok so you agree that Finn being portrayed as stupid when it comes to helping his friends is not a positive.
Slightly. I also don't think it means the writers hate him and are writing him to be a dick or anything.
It implies they believe the central premise of the original show and its protagonist are stupid.
That's you getting lost up your own interpretation's ass bro. Finn was not stupid for fighting a monster, he was stupid for not realizing that this isn't a good way to help Simon with the problem Simon is going through.
And also being very casual about how Simon was put in danger.
The show has had times where they did do this though, like when Finn said being nonviolent was good and shit in that one episode.
But he is stupid. In the context of the show his solution is to blindfold himself and kill some animals. He doesn’t even realize or care his sidekick is still at the bar. It’s not portrayed as positive at all.
>In the context of the show his solution is to blindfold himself and kill some animals
Finn is an adventurer. That's what he does. One of the previous times he was dealing with grief he was on a train where he just fought monsters for days(?) and it made him feel better (getting addicted was a problem but we don't know if Finn is addicted to this stuff now or anything). Also they're monsters not just animals.
>He doesn’t even realize or care his sidekick is still at the bar.
Because he was trying to help Simon, if TV decided he didn't wanna come that's his problem. It's not like Finn delusionaly thought TV came with them or something.
It's portrayed as Finn going through his own shit while trying to help out Simon in his own way. I think they're playing up the "Finn is a wild adventure barbarian" more than they did in the later seasons of the show where he seemed more..... rational? Normal? It's certainly portrayed as Finn earnestly trying to help even if it doesn't work. Simon is partly hiding some of his feelings to not worry others too, so Finn being distracted with Jake grief could miss it.
It’s portrayed as a frivolous, violent, self serving exercise. Not a positive in any way shape or form.
>frivolous
Finn kept it light because Simon is bummed out and he's trying to cheer him up
>violent
And that's a good thing, also it's the fricking land of Ooo
>self serving exercise
He made the adventure more babified just for Simon to not be screaming the entire time
Finn is flawed but not a bad friend, just stupider than you would think for a grown up Finn.
It implies that Finn goes on adventures and kills people just to feel better about himself, and views it as a solution to everyone’s problems. You’re wrong.
Monsters are not people. They are monsters.
>and views it as a solution to everyone’s problems
Okay? How does this make him a dick, people use what they know. Finn knows fighting shit and it helps him out. Maybe a change of scenery would help Simon stop being such a mope? It's not that insane.
>and which don't make him somehow almost completely monstrous
Holy shit do you think Finn is monstruous when he and Jake fought the monsters in that one dungeon? It's a fricking adventure he's not murdering candy citizens or humans or something. They're MONSTERS
IT'S ADVENTURE TIME
It makes him a dick because it implies Finn just goes out and kills random things when he’s feeling sad, and that he is so self centered he thinks this will fix his friends problems and doesn’t recognize that it didn’t help at all.
>it implies Finn just goes out and kills random things when he’s feeling sad
This is not a bad thing as long as Finn is killing monsters, which are always chaotic evil in this world, and not sentient people.
>and that he is so self centered he thinks this will fix his friends problems and doesn’t recognize that it didn’t help at all.
It's not self centered to use your own hobbies/interests to try and cheer Finn up. Did you really get the impression the only reason Finn did this was so he could have another excuse to go fight monsters somewhere? He can do that all the time, I believed that he was genuinely trying to help Simon even if it did not work.
Simon said he was okay at the end and didn't tell Finn that this didn't do shit. It's partly on Finn for not recognizing he was bullshitting, but that's all Finn did wrong.
Your shit is kinda gay and your opinions are sorta dumb dude.
Then why did this episode portray it as a bad thing that didn’t help anything aside from making Finn feel better?
>Then why did this episode portray it as a bad thing
It didn't.
I must have missed the part where Finn stuck around at the end to help his friend because he has an ounce of self awareness.
He and Simon were going opposite directions. Simon said he was fine and that it helped, what's Finn gonna do? Interrogate him to see if he actually did enjoy the adventure?
Maybe actually help his friend I don’t know.
Did you miss the part where he just tried that in an extended bro adventure sesh, or does it not count because you don't like it or something
What's he supposed to do suck Simon's dick
Did you miss the part where it was extremely ineffective and Finn didn’t give a frick?
>it was extremely ineffective
yes
>and Finn didn’t give a frick?
no
Stop projecting. Just because you are an emotionless husk of a person doesn't mean Finn is. Finn tried to help, but ultimately can't solve every problem Simon has. At the end of the day Simon wanted time alone and Finn respected that. If you've ever had a friend (I know you haven't) that is going through a rough time its rarely something you can solve with a single encounter. Dealing with depression takes time, and Simon is a grown man who doesn't need Finn watching over him 24/7.
This episode portrayed Finn as an emotionally moronic violent idiot that doesn’t know how to recognize when his friend is in trouble and take the time to figure out how to fix it. This isn’t me, it’s the writers of the show. I don’t want to watch Adventure Time deal with depression.
KILL.YOURSELF.
Exactly what I don’t need invading Adventure Time.
>This episode portrayed Finn as an emotionally moronic violent idiot
You have failed to establish that in the first place, anon.
Adventure Time has been dealing with depression for literally a decade at this point.
And apparently it’s had no effect on its main character.
>an emotionally moronic violent idiot that doesn’t know how to recognize when his friend is in trouble and take the time to figure out how to fix it.
Not true. Lets go over the facts.
>Finn noticed Simon needed help when others didn't
>Finn quickly thought up a plan that might cheer Simon up based off Finn's own experience and what Simon told him
>Finn adjusted the intensity of the adventure when he realised the first one was too much for Simon
>When Finn kills something to eat it, he offers thanks showing he has a spiritual side requiring maturity.
>I don’t want to watch Adventure Time deal with depression.
Then don't watch this spin off, since a central theme is Simon dealing with his depression. Not every piece of media is going to be custom made to your desires. Also you seem to be putting a lot of emphasis on Finn needing to be a super therapist for someone who supposedly doesn't want episodes about dealing with depression.
The facts are Finn fails to help his friend because he’s too self-centered and views adventuring as a substitute for therapy. It’s not a positive. Stop gaslighting.
It's realistic. But it's not damning for the character of Finn. The vast majority of people wouldn't know how to cheer up someone with genuine depression. He gave it his best shot by sharing with Simon the stuff that makes him happy.
It absolutely is damning of the character. He didn’t help his friend because he was too myopic.
Correction: He couldn't help his friend because he lacks the skillset for it, despite doing everything within his power to do so. And I repeat, his first suggestion was for Simon to talk to Marcy, which makes by far the most sense.
He lacked the skill set to help his friend because he’s an idiot who goes on adventures to feel better about himself.
>The facts are Finn fails to help his friend
Yes.
>because he’s too self-centered
No.
>and views adventuring as a substitute for therapy.
He tried what works for him.
above all why are you so focused on the violence part, you realize even in the last season of the show where Finn was being a hippy telling PB not to go to war there was an episode where the point was "killing stuff is good Finn you should do it"
it's Adventure Time, it's ALWAYS been violent. does adding some red blood make you think something changed?
There is a definite difference in portraying violence when you make it visceral and bloody. Why even go there if not to make it look unappealing.
there were plenty of times in the original series where it was bloody, they just used green or yellow blood
just because they're having fun with the looser restrictions doesn't mean it has a deep and significant meaning to it
You go there because you are an adult cartoon now and that's the way people are gonna know (in the US, since graphic sex is definitely off the table).
>Why even go there if not to make it look unappealing.
The problem here is you projecting your own distaste for it onto the show itself.
I don’t give a frick about violence it’s weird to have Finn snapping necks on bullshit made up quests. It’s not my issue with violence.
Every single quest Finn has gone on is "made up". He doesn't actually need to adventure, he enjoys doing it. While he's adventuring, sometimes something needs killing. It's part of the whole package. You keep bringing up violence like it's new. The only thing new is what they're allowed to show.
The violence is new, that’s the whole point, and Finn going on adventures solely for his own gratification is not a positive portrayal of him or the premise of the show.
>The violence is new
Off to a terrible start. If whatever you're insisting hinges on that being true, then everything you're saying is wrong.
Oh so there’s no ratings change? I imagined the blood and neck snap? My mistake.
Are you fricking around? You're fixated on the kind of violence shown. Violence is not new to the show. Period. Finn has been killing things since the very beginning. Nothing has changed. If you're argument is based on thinking something has, it's wrong. If you're trying to make some kind of inference based on the degree of violence shown, you need to back it up and not talk out your ass.
Has the rating of the show changed? Simple question
NTA but
>Did you miss the part where it was extremely ineffective
That doesn't make the fact that Finn cared and tried to help moot.
>and Finn didn’t give a frick?
Simon wanted to leave, what was Finn supposed to do lol
It's about Simon being out of place.
It didn't you're just a moron.
>Then why did this episode portray it as a bad thing
Begging the question. It didn't help, but not because it was inherently a bad thing to do. It's just not what Simon needed.
So it was only a bad thing in the context of the episode then.
If you absolutely MUST paint Finn's actions as bad, sure. Why not.
Not me, the episode.
No, it's definitely you.
You just said within the context of the episode Finn’s actions are portrayed as a bad thing. I didn’t write the episode.
I don't actually agree that his inability to help is a "bad" action, but you insist it is so whatever. That's you though. I still disagree.
>It implies that Finn goes on adventures and kills people
Hyperbolizing and just outright making shit up doesn't prove your point. We can all watch the episode and see you're full of shit.
Was Finn putting on a blindfold in front of Simon's wound not an unsubtle metaphor for him brushing off Simon's malaise and being willfully ignorant? C'mon anon, Muto clearly wanted Finn to be in the wrong here.
I think it's more flawed than squarely in the wrong. Still far from a bad friend though, just compare him to Marceline who barely gave a shit about Simon at all.
How is he a bad friend? He can't solve Simon's issue, sure, but that's because Simon's issue is literally that he doesn't feel like he fits in the world. Finn does. He was raised by dogs, happily eats monster eyeballs and lives in the woods. Simon feels completely out of place.
I mean, yeah, I'd have thought he'd been able to notice his general moping around Betty given his story, but it seems to me like whatever he did wouldn't work because they're just too different.
He’s a bad friend because he can’t see that he didn’t fix shit at the end of the day and doesn’t really care.
Well what could he do? He's not a psychologist.
Well retroactively applying psychology to what were once positive traits like wanting to be a hero is where the problem seems to lie. Getting Steven Universe Future vibes, which I’ll be much more pissed off at if this show continues down that path.
Sometimes I think autists just want to insist on Finn being miserable. Dude could be happily married and fricking Huntress Wizard or whoever he hooked up with on screen and they'd still go "Noooo its all just cope over missing Jake and he doesn't really care!" or something
i am just telling what i saw
if you think Finn is happy this episode then good for you shipper
>I am just telling you what I saw
says a lot
>OP is one of the peple that WANTED Finn to be a sad sack Pacifist Muto self insert.
Those people don't exist though, well not really in these threads. The only time I have ever seen people have that opinion when they were incredibly obvious falseflaggers trying to bait for (you)s, you can often tell because they also post Bubbline shit as well, but anyone with a general understanding of human interaction can tell they are being trolls. But the way OP is written, and the handful of other anons agreeing with him is the exact same way the people who complained about Finn being weak would post, down to the "Muto/the writers hate Finn". You might not be like them, but its pretty clear there are some people who are inherently biased against any official adventure time content because of a petty one sided feud with the writers.
The way Finn and his adventuring is portrayed in that episode was not positive, I don’t know why people are gaslighting otherwise.
Nobody said it was healthy people say it's fun and they enjoy it
But it’s not fun it’s horrific and delusional.
You have awful taste
It's extremely fun
It was literally a failed attempt at fixing a friends depression.
and it was fun
simp finn is boring
barbarian finn is fun
he has issues, he fights and kills shit as a sport
they made finn interesting again, i want to know what happenned to him
>start the donwload
>Mega says that I stink and cant download it all cus something someting files too big even tho I was downloading it as a zip
I am not angry, I am just mad
check the archive there's a magnet link somewhere
a journey...
got it already, thanks a lot bud
I could definitely see Finn's reasoning here. Simon doesn't open up about all his problems obviously, but some things he mentions is how he doesn't fit in with the current humans, nor the wacky world and wishes he could almost be like Ice King again. Finn sees this as "Maybe if I take him on an adventure it'd feel like how he was when he was Ice King, just without the crazy part." Because after all, if mundane life in the human city is getting tiring for him, maybe he could give adventuring a try? Finn quickly realises that the first adventure he tried taking Simon on was too intense so he simplifies it to the two of them bro-ing out by camping in the woods together. Finn isn't a therapist, and never has been one, but he clearly still cares and tries his best to help Simon in the ways he can.
If he wants him to be like Ice King again he should find him some qt princess with glasses and get that guy on a date. I don't know if Simon would still want to give kidnapping a try.
I mean that's something Jake would do. Finn's never been the best with relationship stuff.
>there is nothing wrong with Finn going blind aka don't care where life sends me if that means an adventure
>there is nothing wrong with Finn being so out reality that he cannot see Simon was hurt and needed help
>there is nothing wrong with Finn killing without thinkin and only after SImon tells him there was someone there he said farewell words HW style
>There is nothing wrong with Finn not caring about his own well being
Jake dying did a number on this dude with means he is not mature enough even at that age. Also i think HW did more harm than good to him.
Correct. There is nothing wrong with Finn being a hero instead of a pussy, just like in the early seasons.
>you'd be just fine, Marceline
>someone else would definitely find you and take care of you
>maybe even someone rich!
>you'd be living in a castle with food and medicine
>as for me? I'd uh..
>Heeeyy Simon~
I have never heard PB sound so chipper, it kind of threw me.
Unironically more well-adjusted than Finn now.
I hate them. Hang them. Burn them. Get that hubba bubba b***h and her samphire dyke out of my fricking sight
>there is nothing wrong with Finn being so out reality that he cannot see Simon was hurt and needed help
This is less to show anything wrong with Finn, and more to show how out of place Simon is on OOO.
It serves to show that Finn was made and shaped by OOO, while current Simon not so much. Finn is reacting how he SHOULD react, because he is a warrior.
Exactly. The way Finn's grown up those massive scratch marks on his back are normal, so he doesn't think the scratch on Simon's arm is a big deal.
is nothing wrong with Finn being so out reality
You have failed to establish that was the case in the first place.
is nothing wrong with Finn being so out reality
>You have failed to establish that was the case in the first place.
That's the thing, he is not out of reality: he is reacting how his envirement demands.
Simon is out of reality, because he is a guy from our time being throw in a world full of monsters.
Yeah pretty much. He's been slaying monsters since he was a kid, so ofc it's going to be pathological for him. People also want to ignore the fact he's always used adventuring as a way to escape his problems.
Frick off. This is exactly why this portrayal sucks. We don’t need to have Adventure Time become Pathological Trauma Avoidance Time.
>Pathological Trauma Avoidance Time.
KILL.YOURSELF.
Tell the writers to not write it that way then frickface.
People need to rewatch the scene
>good job bait
>dude there was someone there
>finn going full native with the "thanks for the food of your body"
Finn is now on the kill first ask question later phase of his life
Even as a kid Finn only killed evil monsters not just monsters.
There are no "good" monsters in AT, if it has giant teeth and is attacking you it's a bad guy and Finn and Jake murder it 10 times out of 10.
The only people who Finn tries to help beyond that are actual, you know, people. Like Marceline and Ice King when they were bad guys and shit.
>>finn going full native with the "thanks for the food of your body
HW's influence really rubbed off on him in a funny way.
Ahh, a new arc for AT threads
>Happy that Simon has problems instead of being worried about him
"""healthy"""
He's trying to keep positive to help cheer Simon up you absolute reptile
>He's trying to keep positive
when simon is out his sigh? he only cares about adventure because its all he knows Its the only way he knows how to cope
look at his expressions when he listen Simon scream , then see how he was exited when he saw the bear and finally how finn wanted simon to kill the bear.
I only watched this once, what did he do there to think he's relishing Simon's problems?
If he just said "happy to have a partner" or something then you're moronic
This thread is actually getting me to rewatch and report my findings.
>Finn suggests the adventure because Simon said every day is the same, so if he goes on a quest, doing something different, and being put close to death it would make him feel alive
>Finn mentions the "forces of the universe" guiding him and Simon which reminds me of him in The Comet
>Finn sees Simon looking awkward, tells him to get some wood so he feels involved
>Finn calling Simon bait doesn't seem very helpful
>Finn engages in Simon's story about cooking and Betty, then gives (pretty unhelpful) advice about forgetting it and doing more busywork to keep Simon occupied
I don't get what was getting at, he was smiling before he heard Simon yell and kept that smile while running. I guess you could read it as lack of concern? Or something? But seems to me he's just in happy adventure mode
>he kept trying to get Simon to kill the beast to give him an accomplishment
Really, I get the feeling he was trying his best here. The only bits that seem in poor form are the blindfold move where he doesn't help Simon's injury, and the awkward goodbye where it certainly feels like he could have offered Simon some stronger parting words. Oh and the bait comment.
So Finn is clearly trying to help Simon, he's not thinking of himself first in this other than "I like adventuring so Simon will too." Even the entire point of it is just because Simon says his life is so boring so doing something so different like this might help spice it up. Finn's flaws are not thinking beyond his own self, this is working for me so it would probably work for Simon, and not being very observant when it comes to how Simon was clearly lying about how this adventure helped. But that's a far cry from being a bad friend or selfish like what people are saying here.
I wrote a wall of text so I must be right.
These are some good observations, but I think I'll add my own thoughts to some of these
>Finn calling Simon bait doesn't seem very helpful
>he was smiling before he heard Simon yell and kept that smile while running.
I think the idea here is that Finn was trying to be light hearted and funny as to help calm Simon down. The last thing that'd help Simon is if Finn started acting panicked himself, because if a strong adventurer like Finn was panicking, Simon is even worse off. So his jovial nature really does seem like he is trying to life Simon's spirits so that Simon can be laid back a bit, take some stress off and just enjoy a change of pace with an adventurer.
Another interesting thing building off this is it almost felt like Finn was treating Simon like a son at points, as weird as that sounds. He was very much in dad mode here. Trying to stay positive and encouraging, but still vigilant when things could go wrong.
>"Hey kiddo, nice job being the bait there, ha ha!"
>"Come on son, kill the monster! Go right for it you can do it!"
>When he saw Simon couldn't handle the monster he quickly stepped in and handled it himself, showing he had full control over the situation
>"Don't be worried about that wound sport, I'm sure it'll be a cool scar just like the ones your old man has!"
Some might see this as condescending but personally I think its cute and shows that Finn does care about Simon. It also makes me wish we could actually see Finn interacting with his hypothetical kids.
I agree with you completely. Finn is trying to help in the way he thinks works
>I think the idea here is that Finn was trying to be light hearted and funny as to help calm Simon down. The last thing that'd help Simon is if Finn started acting panicked himself, because if a strong adventurer like Finn was panicking, Simon is even worse off.
He's definitely trying to keep things light, but I don't think Finn would actually panic. He clobbered that bear like nothing. I think at this point he has enough warranted confidence in his abilities that he feels like he could handle anything that even thinks of endangering him or Simon.
Yeah I don't think Finn would panic if he was alone either, but building off the father idea you could definitely tell he had control over the situation. He knew how to take care of the bear with ease, meaning he knew Simon wasn't in any real danger much like how a father might guide their son through something they themselves are very experienced in so they can step in and protect them if something goes wrong.
Finn wanting to keep it light makes sense, but the bait comment still seems kinda demeaning. I feel like the point of this should've been helping Simon do something cool to show that he can still do rad stuff so being reduced to bait for me, the badass who actually does the stuff, isn't the best. But it is just a slightly insensitive comment.
That is a good point about the son part, it really does have vibes of a dad taking their teenage son fishing and trying to keep them engaged and have them feel useful and shit. I think it wasn't very condescending and don't think Simon felt like that either. Though Finn underestimated how bad Simon's booboo was. Agree on a kid comment but I think Finn needs to fully get through his Jake hangups before thinking about that stuff.
So yeah reiterating that Finn felt like he was doing his best here and putting Simon's needs first overall.
Nah, at best Finn was like neutral on that kind of shit. Though he was bathing in the river naked playing his flute even before meeting HW.
Finn the TradNatureCath
>Though Finn underestimated how bad Simon's booboo was.
We saw Finn got tore up just as bad across his back. I think it's more that Finn's body is harder from a lifetime of adventuring and Simon isn't as accustomed to these kinds of wounds.
Finn's clearly looking out for Simon, his problem is that he's doing what would make himself feel better rather than what Simon wants. To be fair to Finn, Simon doesn't give him much to work with and Finn doesn't actually know Simon all that well. I guess the core complaints are that Finn isn't more receptive toward what Simon really wants but I don't think it's OOC for him to behave this way.
Finncels have really hit a new low here
More like the finn haters can't help but kick a boy when he's down.
Go back to tumblr, autocrat.
Finncels are the only ones who claim that "the writers hate Finn and try to portray him as in the wrong"
I thought it was alright but boring. Won't watch the other episodes even for free
>a guy like Finn turned out to not have the healthiest coping mechanisms but isn't a bad person overall
I swear him not fricking the pink b***h permanently damaged some anon's brains.
Defend this scene
I can't, Finn's pelvis looks moronic
Finn's kinda moronic. What do you expect the way he grew up? What's the problem here? Finn's hypercapable as an outdoors adventure man, he WANTS to help Simon but makes the pretty easy mistake of doing the things that would help him because empathy hard. Hell, he made the right suggestion first, which is that Simon should talk to Marcy about this, since she's most likely to understand what he's going through. People freaking out over like 2 brutal monster kills in an adult cartoon is so fricking ridiculous. Hell, when he sees a gashing wound his mind says 'This'll make an awesome scar', I bet. And Simon's arm is bandaged in the next scene, suggesting that Finn took care of that. Take the fricking win. He's not a loser and his canon ship is HW, the undisputably best ship he ever had and the only one that wasn't based on mental or physical abuse.
>And Simon's arm is bandaged in the next scene, suggesting that Finn took care of that.
dude , Finn didn't do shit. Simon just polite thank Finn for trying at least but its 100% clear Simon bandaged himself
>Source: ???
The scene before when Finn uses the cloth to blind himself?
Finn can help bandage Simon when blindfolded, that was just a bit of visual humor where it looks like he was gonna use the fabric to bandage him but he used it as a blindfold instead because Finn is a goofy cartoon character.
Its more likely that Simon just did it by himself but ok
>suggesting that Finn took care of that.
No, it suggests that Simon did it himself lmfao.
They do a bait and switch to make it LOOK like Finn was going to use the blindfold on SImon but he just puts it on and runs away.
But he says:
>Well thanks, Finn, for... *glances at arm* Everything.
that was obvious sarcasm you absolute autist
He was saying thanks for basically almost getting me killed for no reason lol
It was a goofy bit and Simon's arm was patched up in the next scene.
Or it’s literally the entire reason we’re having this conversation boiled down to a perfect moment.
Fricking hell i fell off with adventure time, why is fionna real?
Uhhh I don't think we know yet, but multiverse shit probably
Simon was doing a ritual with GLOB things and killed the goose in the process
She might not be yet. Cake just emerged out of the head of Simon after a bad attempt at ritual involving GOLB.
It’d be cool if we got a scene where Simon tries or thinks about killing himself with the more adult stuff going on. This show has always touched on depression but never suicide seriously, mitebcool
Finn dealing with his feelings over Jake dying by adventuring hardcore is a good thing, it shows that he's affected by the loss but is much more entertaining and light than seeing him crying and wishing he was dead or whatever
it works
This series needed to die years ago.
it did but it came back to life. again, and again, and probably gonna happen several more times.
hope you're ready for 100 years Adventure Time.
he takes Simon on an adventure to a place he said Huntress showed him, and later on he said he was going back to see her. it's brief but there
I'm not interested is watching this revival, but I read some comments about finn being with huntress wizard, do we a have proof of that? Because for real I thought finn was destined to be and kissless incel in the end.
Farmworld human Huntress ?
It’s not farmworld. She’s in a alt universe where Marceline turns evil and fully embrace her title as vampire queen hence why we see vampires in the trailer.
>NOOOOO MY SELF-INSERT MC HAS FLAWS I'M GOING INSAAAAAAANE
>NOOOOO ADVENTURES ARE STUPID AND HEROES DONT EXIST HOW COULD YOU LIKE THISSSSS
This might be the most moronic thread i've ever seen.
Why are people pretending that it's Finn fans complaining about Finn being aggressive and violent?
That's Finns whole thing
The people that hate Finn not being a pacifist are those that preferred later season Finn.
None of the posts are upset about him being violent, its more like criticism towards his moronic behaviour with inviting SImon on his camping trip
Because they are still arguing he is this way because "the writers hate finn". Pay close attention to their arguments. They are acting like the writers making him this way is them making Finn bad because they hate him. This 101 Finncel persecution complex, where they go into any Adventure Time media with the concrete idea in their heads that the writers hate Finn and want him to suffer while only liking the lesbians, PB and Marcy. So even when Finn is shown to be cool, instead of realising that maybe the writers don't hate Finn, their cognitive dissonance comes up with new reasoning to justify their view of the show. Which in this case is that the writers are actually condemning Finn for his portrayal here.
Now I dislike some of the stuff they did with Finn in the series myself, but I don't attribute Malice to what is easily explained by incompetency, the writers just fricked up sometimes and it lead to bad episodes. But the people complaining here can't do that, they need to keep their narrative that it was specifically the writers persecuting Finn because they have a victim complex.
Gotta ask, was Finn ever this in tune with the nature side of things? Such as honoring the beast after slaying it? Or has huntress wizard been influencing him in those ways?
HW pussy got him honoring the dead
Finn was always more of a natural kind of guy, never really suited for monotone city living, but I wouldn't be surprised if HW was the one who got him into the more spiritual native style stuff.
He's adopted his wife's religion.
Definitely Huntress Wizard influence. I like it, works well with Finn's adventuring spirit, adding a spiritual side to what he does.
>was Finn ever this in tune with the nature side of things?
Clearly not. The writers have outdone themselves with this most ham-fisted of subleties. Can YOU guess why Finn talks about HW and exhibits signs of being influenced by her behaviors? It's truly a mystery.
he became a big Bob Ross fan
What's fionna's mom like anyway?
Probably like a female equivalent of Martin. Sleazy, probably a drunk, absent from her life.
Is her dad named Aries or Mars?
Minerva is the Roman name, so Mars. Heh.
Martin comes from the same origin of Mars as it is, you could potentially just switch their names around.
That's an interesting question. We know she begs her friend's mom for rent money instead of her own, which could mean any number of things. Maybe her parents cut her off, maybe they don't have the money themselves, maybe they just aren't in her life for one reason or another. What I'm picturing is a deadbeat single mom, who kept their house like Fionna keeps her place. I would think Dr. Campbell is dead which is why Fionna doesn't have a dependable parental figure of her own to lean on.
Could be the opposite. I know allot of people who live in the city basically paycheck to paycheck and yet their parents are very well off. For whatever reason though, whether wanting to make it on their own or they had a falling out, they never ask for help
This is also factoring in their selves in the prime world. I'm just assuming any version of Martin is a deadbeat. If her dad is anything like Minerva, he probably wants to help but is unable for whatever reason, whether he's dead or busy or Fionna's just bad at communicating. But yeah, it is possible he's alive, maybe even successful. I could still only see female Martin as a sponge.
I'm convinced female Martin left Fionna when she was young, and why Fionna doesn't have the proclivities of other girls. She never had a mother-figure and probably took after more from her dad. It'd explain why she wears mismatching underwear, why she fantasized about fighting, and why she isn't insecure about overeating sweets or stripping down in public.
Male Minerva is probably too busy with his own career to help Fionna. Also it's fair to mention that not all scientists are paid well, so he could be just as destitute as Fionna. Similarly he could be isolated, and might not have the means of contacting or sending money.
AND YOU CAN HAVE IT ALL
MY EMPIRE OF DIRT
>landlord is a demon
heh
I didn't pick up on this at first, what a delightfully subtle joke
he's never been a pacifist
What are the odds Fionna campbell and What ever the ice queen is called talk on a weekly basis?
Extremely high. Fionna has poor impulse control when it comes to sweet things so I see her buying ice cream whenever it gets even slightly hot
How does she maintain an attractive level of chub and not end up going full lard then?
Some girls carry weight really well despite what they consume.
Weight goes different areas for different people, Fionna's was legs, so was Ice queen as seen here
Both lack in the titty department for the most part
It's her body type but I also wouldn't be surprised if she does some light workouts to keep her form. Having no muscle and all flab looks very unhealthy while having some muscle would distribute the subcutaneous fat a little better.
she's not real?
Anon, she's poor.
toughen up, it's just a scratch, you can walk it off
the chad move
What you want him to kiss his boo boo and make it better ya frickin pussy?
To be fair, Finn probably sweat all over that thing. No one wants to touch Finn's sweaty, smelly rags.
>No one wants to touch Finn's sweaty, smelly rags.
Shut up, the fujos will hear you
Finn is a 100% straight buff man so he might as well be invisible to them, especially with all the gay beanpoles like Gary and Marshall.
>al these ppl seething because Finn didn't kiss Simon's boo-boo
fricking lol
What kind of shirt is Finn wearing? Looks like half a bathrobe.
what's the chronological order of Adventure time?
AT then FaC, then DL.
DL ep 2 Obsidian,then ep4 Wizard City,then ep3 Together Again,then ep1 BMO
am i missing something?
FaC is after Wizard city
Distant lands BMO special, Adventure Time, Obsidian/Wizard City, Fionna and Cake, Together again.
Being Simon has and continues to be suffering
serves him right for not being ice chad
This. Betty killed Ice Chad. Never forget.
Betty should have stayed in the 20th century. Simon should have been allowed to die.
and then Ice chad killed Betty
Yeah seriously like they spend the later seasons showing ice chads his own individual and them just revert him to Simon in the finale and kill off Betty which basically accomplishes nothing except idk making marceline happy like yeah they had Gunther become another ice king but it’s still a different person
He really needs to get some frickin hobbies.
He does, artifacts and history keeping. No one appreciates it or gives a shit so naturally he feels like depressed and meaningless.
Oh my God just introduce him to doctor princess already
that b***h ain't even a real doctor
she'd probably make him swallow a comedically large pill that makes him fart so hard he flies around the room or something
He should just move on
Was she really that great to him
I don't care for Rebecca Sugar's music.
God damn Rebecca sugars songs are so fricking pretentious
Anyone have a mega link for the Distant Lands episodes? Seems like I have some catching up to do.
Anyone got a folder of stuff from the crew like storyboards?
I have some stuff but my files are a mess. If you want storyboards you can find a lot on scribd from the wiki.
Got some hunting then. Thanks for the pic at least.
I love Adventure Tim, he was the best part of the show
Betty doesn't exist anymore , she got erased just like Margles
Why was she in the trailer?
Because the writers are Bettygays (like me)
shut up simon your girlfriend is DEAD
Flashback, it’s when Simon got Betty’s note and stopped her at the bus stop. More guilt as he’s in a way responsible for her becoming GOLB
>Betty doesn't exist anymore , she got erased just like Margles
Prismo limit isn't "non-existence", it's the GOLB
Margles was killed/erased by it -> he can't help magic man
Betty turned into GOLB -> can't do shit about it
You guys just need to accept that Finn was always a bad person.
well the writer's did that
for some reason i really frick with the fact that simon is just a normal dude in this disgusting and evil scrimblo world that hates you unless you can go with its horrible flow
i guess cause ive been on a huge escapism kick for a while
Why does this show exist?
Money.
CN/Max/whoever at this point wants more AT, so Muto is still around making it because he feels like if it's gonna be made anyway it should be with him at the helm.
Why does Cinemaphile likeit?
Muto must be a workaholic man. Seems like most showrunners burnout pretty fast.
I imagine it's easier for him since he didn't have to develop AT from scratch like Pen Ward, but truth be told I know nothing about how it works behind the scenes.
I saw it as Finn being used to dealing with his emotions by adventuring and that includes killing things that attack him.
It works well for him especially since he recently lost Jake, his lifelong adventure companion.
Different strokes for different folks but if my whole life was with a dog best friend who I went on quests to get treasure and fight monsters I would default to treating any adventure as a cure for anything
Objectively superior finn
Damn, just how old was Jake anyway?
Did he die as soon as the original show ended? Finn couldn't be possibly be over 30 here nor in this new series
I can't get the songs from "What Was Missing" out of my head, and I'm on "BMO Lost" of season five now. Please send help lol.
Wasn't Betty brought back in the comics
Those things are just fanfiction levels of canon.
Oh yeah, Olivia Olson wanted to write a happier ending for Simon LMAO. Wonder how she feels about Fionna and Cake tearing her fanfic to shreds.
kek she is a bit too much like Marmar.
It's really funny if you pretend Marceline wrote this actually
Funny and cute.
It really is too happy an ending. I just know Simons happy ending in the show is just dealing with the fact everything he knew was gone and moving on
or just straight up dying which is what many are theorizing
im thinking that isn't possible though, didn't betty basically wish for him to be immortal?
Lets not pretend anyone cares about the comics, unless you wanna pretend anyone cares about Finn and Jake's sister Gata
she's from a parallel universe though
there's a lot of those in the comics
Anon, in a parallels universe you aren't here posting, instead your fricking your gf who's dressed as Fionna; we deal in this reality not the reality with the cooler version of you
Weird post, are you projecting or something? I'm sure when you get a gf she'll accept to dress as Fionna for you, anon.
nobody will care about the comics Anon, not a soul. if you were to ask random people about the comics majority would tell you they didn't even remember they existed
I wasn't disagreeing with you, I was just saying it's not as egregious as "in the comics they added a canon sister to Finn and Jake", she's just from a parallel universe and this is why she is irrelevant to the main universe.
But yes the comics are completely ignored in the show's canon and not very relevant.
>Anon, in a parallels universe you aren't here posting, instead your fricking your gf who's dressed as Fionna
Dude, same. This is the Grown-up Finn I used to see in AT drawthreads back then in 2011 when the fanbase was peak
OP is a gay as always, this Finn is the coolest shit.
The two first episodes were a lot better than I expected, actually.
I also thought Fionna was going to be a sexless blob, but I can work with this.
kek glad im on the only one who felt like finns life was meaningless; kills for thrills
The absolute frick all of you are talking about? My conclusion that this thread was unable to understand an atom of the episode, some things in Cinemaphile never change.
First, this is OOO, it's a fantasy-like world, where there are wild weird beings fighting and killing each other all the time, in a continuous search for survival. Did any of you think Billy was *toxic* for killing a Bear? For the love of.. Second, Finn was always a person who was OK with killing and him saw it as part of life, as long as he had a valid justification for doing it. Usually kill something because it was an evil being. In the case of this episode, he does it for his own survival because...they needed something to eat, what he did isn't that different from any of us catching a fish and killing it to eat the fish, just that was in the context of the adventure fantasy world that is OOO where a fish is a huge monster, if you think that was toxic masculinity, my god do you think it's toxic masculinity that as a civilization we have barns where we raise hundreds of cows just to kill and sell their pieces, are you a vegetarian or something? Third, even in that context, Finn after killing the beast apologized to her and thanked her for giving him her meat. Can you imagine someone calling someone else "masculinely toxic" for respectfully apologizing to a deer after killing it for use the animal as food?? Fourth, the ENTIRE REASON Finn stepped in and killed the first beast, was to save Simon, because the beast was ATTACKING Simon and about to KILL HIM, and so was AND THE SECOND BEAST WAS GOING TO DO THE SAME, IT LITERALLY HURT SIMON'S ARM, the most that happened was that Finn tried to encourage Simon to take care of the situation himself, because he thought that Simon needed that kind of experience to cheer himself up, and when that didn't work, Finn sought to kill the Bear in the LEAST PAINFUL way possible. Fifth, FINN IS DATING A FRICKING HUNTRESS, FOR THE LOVE OF GOLB.
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Finn isn't an literal austist who can't see what's wrong with Simon, Finn just isn't very good when it comes to dealing with emotional problems and finding a way to deal with them, or talking about feelings with someone else right away, WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THE CHARACTER. So he tries his best, going on an adventure and putting his life at risk helps Finn sort out his thoughts and ideas, so he decides to see if that helps Simon.
Muto didn't seek to please anyone or turn Finn into a toxic male hero or whatever that means (Finn has not become a literal incel as far as we know). All that's happened is that Finn became the new Billy.
WE LITERALLY WATCHED IN THIS EPISODE HOW FINN KILLED A BEAR, JUST LIKE BILLY DID, maybe that was the silly intention there, DUH.
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Nice catch with the bear. That's Adam singing that song btw.
Man, I miss Billy.
His sacrifice was worth it to get the Lich back in full force, but I still wish we could have both somehow.
I can only hope that we'll get to see some alternate universe with an alive Billy over the course of the show.
I skimmed a few bits of your rant but I'll be back to do a full read. Anywho yeah you are right from what I have seen.
If they wanted to portray Finn’s lifestyle as healthy and fun, why was it written as an unhelpful violent exercise in obliviousness? Do you really not see the difference between the clip you posted and the way Finn acted in that episode? You’re clearly affected by this so you see what I’m talking about.
Whether or not the adventure helped Simon with his problem has nothing to do with whether or not If Finn lifestyle is healthy. Like imagine thinking that if your lifestyle doesn't help every person on Earth, it means it's not healthy. Like I said what happened is simply a result of Finn not being good with emotional issues and not knowing how to actually help Simon.
The reason it's written the way it was written is because at the moment the show is literally a recycling of Steven Universe Future. It's the same Steven epilogue plot in that show all over again, only with Simon taking Steven's place, because the story in SUF was basically how Steven spent the entire series with depression, and none of his loved ones were able to help him nor understand what was happening to him or even perceive that he was depressed because they were enjoying their own happiness, until was too late and Steven became a monster.
And let me tell you that SUF is TRASH.
So you should be complaining about the way they're handling Simon's story, and kind of forcing things so no one can help Simon with his depression, like that stupid call scene with Marceline not being able to hear what Simon was saying.
But you guys are here, complaining about Finn instead or something, when Finn was the only good part of the episode and the only thing that made sense on it.
Also I forgot to mention, the idea of Finn with a metal arm has been from the beginning of the series, and now I see that the same seeks to be analogous to Billy's glove.
And NOW I see another new parallel, Billy had a tattoo on his shoulder, and now Finn has a tattoo on his chest...Hmm..
Finn being oblivious to his friend’s pain and going on quests to solve every problem does not make sense at all and is not a positive portrayal of the character, typing another wall of text won’t change it.
Finn wasn't oblivious to his friend’s pain. Try again.
And yes I can see that you have reading comprehension problems, so normal that wall of text scare you.
Go look at that blindfold part again and get back to me. Also if you hate Steven Universe Future I hate to break it to you but they’re doing the exact same thing they did to Steven with Finn, portraying his heroic nature as naive and narcissistic.
Finn isn't the one with depression and C-PTSD, is Simon. Literally what are you supposed to be talking about.
Reread it slowly I guess?
I still can't believe the Johnny Cash copypasta called Peebles and Marceline being lesbians for each other years before it happened
isn't that shit from like 2016 or something, Bubbline was in full swing by then already
it's not like the guy wrote it in 2010
Jake is dead and Bronwyn left him
He's not even trying to avoid death
sociopath adult finn is based idgaf
He isn't even a sociopath. He's just developed poor coping mechanisms. If anything he's surprisingly mentally healthy for someone who spent the entire of their youth engaged in constant violence and surrounded by actual monsters.
Everytime
none of you will ever be happy with finn and it's so TIRING. I've liked this portrayal so far and I think it fits the trajectory of his life. I like that he tried to cheer simon up with questing, the same way he tried to cheer flame princess up with dungeoning :3 Finn has grown and changed anon, and that's okay
I'm actually very happy with Finn.
my mistake, sorry anon
Is he dead?
>thread suddenly dead
OP is a falseflagger. Chad Finn is based and exactly what we’ve (rightfully) wanted. More of that please.
Why was he such a dick to Simon then
nta, but Finn was there for Simon and tried to help him out of his deep funk. He was in no way a dick.
>But he used him as bait.
So? Finn and Jake had used themselves as bait multiple times throughout the series yet it was never an issue for either of them. After all it's part of adventuring and adventuring is what Finn is/was all about.
But yeah I also agree with other anons - Finn was what most of us wanted him to be. He's a grown man - tough, confident and topped with a bit of Jake in him.
Fionna & Cake intro theme song is literally me.....
>the intro also applies to what Simon is going thru in episode 2
ROUGH SEX WITH FIONNA IN EXCHANGE FOR RENT PAYMENT