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Make a general
this is the general thread you fricking idiot
fpwp
Since this is the de-facto AT thread. I wanna discuss Princess Bubblegum's stance on Wizards.
In her first outing with Wizards, in the Wizard Contest episode. She and the Grand-Wizard seems to be on friendly terms. However, in the next episode involving an infiltration to Wizard City, she spouting that Magic and Science bullshit.
Not talking about the debate of Science and Magic, but more so that if Princess Bubblegum just tolerates wizards due to political reasons.
>but more so that if Princess Bubblegum just tolerates wizards due to political reasons.
Yeah, probably.
>Bends her gums just to please some spergs
>Just so they won't throw fricking meteors at your kingdom, but also aid you.
Honestly, the only problem I had with this is that PB should have just said Wizards Rules. You'd think the stunt she pulled would have ramifications.
Her existence runs on luck and being friends with a powerful immortal. Otherwise she would be dead.
PB is the type of girl who hates being called a loser. She would never lower her ego unless it would benefit her in a substantial way
She just doesn't want a war with spergs.
I remember reading somewhere that Pendelton Ward regretted making PB giving kisses as the prize for the Wizard contest
he did
She must really despise wizards. I don’t know why but I get the feeling she still doesn’t like Simon even now that he’s cured.
>Simon's new love
its over for xim, he already middle age in a harsh world.
If Simon wants to be with Minerva that way he's going to have to buy the deluxe version.
>buy
Minerva does it for free
It's only free for the therapy session, he's got to pay after it's over.
You do not understand Min enough.
She's the type of fricker who would literally kill herself if it means humans are happy.
>Simon had an arc to realize he's way into deep to sacrifice himself, and without thinking the considerations
>Minerva is somewhat the same
Jesus, they're the same people
And she also knows that to love something is to earn it in some way.
If she just gave out the deluxe BJ Queen models to anyone who asked for one they'd quickly stop caring about the model and move on once they got bored of it.
>Earn
No one in Humanworld had ever considered having sex with this ugly old hag,anon.
Simon is the only one desperate enough to cum in her barren womb.
>Simon is the only one desperate
Glass chick
no sex
If Golbetty didn't reincarnate, he could frick her on weekends
how do you even reproduce with glass anon, THINK.
Simon needs to FERTALIZE after 1000 years without a score.
If you think about it, The Lich pretty much got all the endings for his character
>The Lich who won lost his entire reason for living and becomes stuck as floating debris for the entity he worshipped and dedicated his cause to
>The Lich who became Sweet Pea essentially redeems himself and ironically becomes the next hero of Ooo after Billy and Finn
>The Lich who died is forever stuck in a cycle of attempting to achieve his goal and failing
Yeah, his character's over. If we see him again it better be as Sweet Pea in the future with no traces of the Lich to be seen.
>The Lich who became Sweet Pea essentially redeems himself and ironically becomes the next hero of Ooo after Billy and Finn
I really wanna see what kind of adventures Sweet Pea goes on
I mean if I was a villian i would not frick with sweet pea bro probably has magic resistance and insane durability and strength.
is Cake Luffy?
>DO NOT REUPLOAD
pack it up boys, threads over.
I hate how this homosexual puts these gigantic watermarks in every single piece he makes
tell me I'm worng or whatever I'm just being a hater frick this homie for doing this
I look forward to seeing scattered fragments of that watermark every time I generate something using AI.
Post Adventure Time characters who didn't deserve it.
>Johnnie
i used to like LSP before this episode but i can't forgive what she did to good ol innocent Johnnie in Bad Timing.
Johnnie had a good job
A good family
many people seemingly loved him
and all he just wanted to do is seal the business deal with princess bubblegum.
He didn't ask for any of this.
Now he's stuck watching LSP's drama adventures forever in an unknown dimension for the foreseeable eternity and Lumpy Space Princess gets off scott free because pb erased her memories of him on her request.
LSP constantly gets away with henious shit because she's a joke character.
Shit, even in Fionna and Cake they're let off the hook for releasing the Scarab.
LSP releasing the mini scarabs infuriated me hard, I knew that was going to happen the moment I remembered Ellis P. randomly sleeps in fionna's clothes pile, doesn't make the plot induced stupidity device anymore tolerable, made everything feel more forced. Legit one of the scarab beetles pushing their glass over the bed and breaking it while everyone was gone would be a better alternative than lsp being lsp again.
he should have been eaten by lil scarabs
Johnnie did so much for LSP and asked for nothing in return besides the confidence to seal his business deal without being nervous.
The pain is ample...
Ice Queen.
Best Adventure Time song?
Nothing can beat the Early singing improv esque adventure time songs to me
But I also like Dancing Bug theme and Bacon Pancakes. The more serious songs in the later series are decent but they don't hit as hard to me.
(did not notice i posted the same song twice, there's a bunch of other early little songs I love like Baby finn's song and junk)
Battle between the two in WWM.
House Hunting Song, Food Chain, Time Adventure.
I also kinda like that weird diary song Marcy sings in Marceline's Closet.
do not bother to argue
Food Chain easily for me. I think I listened to it for 3 days straight when the episode came out
this wasn't in the show but i love it so much
Remember You
I am an emotional frick who has family with Dementia and this episode destroys me every time.
I Remember You
Just found out that you can binge the whole series in one go if you watch it for 48 hours straight
Yeah most of the episodes are only 10-11 minutes long I believe.
I've heavily considered watching it all in like a week for nostalgia.
I watched all of Season 1 in a sitting a while ago but got distracted and had to stop.
>Ice King in season 2
>Jake in season 5
>Lemongrab in season 10
>Peppermint Butler on there at all
Why???
>Peppermint Butler on there at all
They had to pick 10 characters.
>Peppermint butler has secretly been marceline's torso this whole time
IT ALL MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW
is Finn a Funny Valentine variant?
>Protective
>Would do everything for his people
>Horny as frick
>blonde
He's not into politics so no
hes gonna inherit Minerva 's America when the woman inevitably bites the dust
I could see Early AT Finn falling for his charisma/ideals while Late AT Finn would think Funny is a completely despicable person
Fionna
Fionna and Cake Storytime:
They accidentally gave Simon and Fionna lots of chemistry
They even had her kiss winter king
I was surprised that got completely dropped. Come to think of it so did Fionna accidentally swapping items.
The first episode and the last two sucked bad, with the final two episodes being particularly poorly written and feeling totally separate from the middle 7, but the dimension hopping part was fun.
I'm honestly baffled at the writing failures in the finale. Suddenly it's good that everyone in Aaaaaaa has been altered against their will, the big moral dilemma is solved by a deus ex machina, and the book and flashback...
They made an entire pointless allegory for Betty and Simon's relationship and focus on Simon's behavior, characterizing the failure as Simon not sacrificing for Betty or seeing that she was sacrificing for him (which is character assassination but that's beside the point). Then they reinforce that with his farewell to Betty vision.
But no, actually both you and Simon were supposed to consider Betty's analog to be our perspective character - the intended message was that Betty sacrificed too much too often, and that she needed to consider herself more (which is a painfully selfish moral to apply to the question of one man's sanity vs a universe's survival).
You can't do that. That's not how people process stories. We're following Simon, and he's focused on the Simon analog, and I'm sure someone felt they were super clever and "subverting expectation" by saying Betty's analog was who he needed to learn from but in reality it's just bad storytelling.
The final two episodes with the book thing is like someone reading you the three little pigs and then saying "the moral of the story is to not attack brick structures"
second season bro
Delusional.
Pretty sure even the original show pointed out that Betty would have been better off if she had never met Simon but she still goes to great lengths to save him anyway. When they reunite in F&C's finale, Betty says she doesn't regret anything but it's time for the both of them to move on. I don't see how this admonishes Simon at all.
>I didn't read your post, here is a form reply from twitter
Cool, thanks.
You use Twitter?
>the intended message was that Betty sacrificed too much too often, and that she needed to consider herself more (which is a painfully selfish moral to apply to the question of one man's sanity vs a universe's survival).
The universe wouldn't have needed saving if Betty hadn't summoned Golb in the first place so yes she probably should have been more considerate of herself.
Ok?
I didn't say it was incorrect, I said it applies poorly to the current dilemma and isn't conveyed well because both we and Simon are focused on Simon and his analog's behavior not Betty's. Simon and the blue dude are the audience's perspective in those sequences.
Can you all not read or something? Was the example of the three little pigs too complicated for you?
>Can you all not read or something? Was the example of the three little pigs too complicated for you?
You replied to your own post to agree with it?
>No,I literally cannot read
Fascinating
Deflecting because I called you out
Look up the word "addendum"
Then look for the edit button on Cinemaphile posts
I know it'll be hard but I believe in you my precious little moron
Then why didn't you add an addendum and worded your reply as if you were someone else agreeing with your post?
>Why didn't you edit the post
>You worded it like you agreed with yourself!
Holy shit I shouldn't have believed in you
>Suddenly it's good that everyone in Aaaaaaa has been altered against their will
So your solution is to alter them against their will again? And yes, it is against their will. Their dreams of their prior lives are just dreams. The inhabitants we came to know (Marshall and Gary) were not in favour of reverting back.
>the big moral dilemma is solved by a deus ex machina
It's a story involving gods and the fates of universe so, yeah? What solution could there be that didn't involve cosmic intervention?
I don't understand your point about the Simon and Betty analogs. Of course Simon would be thinking about Betty's perspective? He regrets that Betty sacrificed herself so much for him, which helps him understand that he should value himself more, and not throw his life away for Fionna and Cake. I don't think it's confusing at all.
>which is a painfully selfish moral to apply to the question of one man's sanity vs a universe's survival
So you would have put the crown on? Serious question.
>Alter them again
Restore them and literally save their universe from being destroyed
>But they want to stay this way
They don't know what was taken from them and cannot give informed consent in either direction
>It's a new universe not a modified one! They're new people!
Headcanon.
>Deus ex machina is good writing!
It's really not, but the point was more that the moral dilemma that the series set up was sidestepped by deus ex machina. That's the worst kind of shitty lazy last-second conclusion.
>I don't understand
That's clear, but I really can't make it simpler than the three little pigs analogy. The perspective characters in the three little pigs are the pigs, which is why the moral is "work hard and use good sense," and not "only attack emplacements you know you can destroy" (which would be the lesson we would get if we followed the wolf)
Our perspective in both the framing device and the text itself is Simon, any lesson taken will be centered around Simon's decisions and not a literal NPC's. That's just how human brains and stories work.
>You would have put the crown on?
homie it's just the trolley problem. Yes.
Simon followed his analog Casper the whole way through and as a result, he was deadlocked into having to sacrifice Nova when he should have taken into account some of her choices, just like how Simon lost Betty because he insisted on getting the crown, that was the lesson he had to learn.
>just like how Simon lost Betty because he insisted on getting the crown
what
The implication was that Simon and Betty wanted to search for different artifacts but Simon insisted on acquiring the crown so that's what Betty went with and the rest is history.
Going through your post and three little pigs comparison, I think you're misunderstanding the nature of Casper and Nova. It's a choose your own adventure book with multiple choices and paths throughout, you seem to think that there were only two linear paths between Casper and Nova and that Simon was rugpulled with Nova being the right choice all along but that's not true, it's the fact that Simon exclusively picked all of Casper's paths and none of Nova's that locked him into losing her, just like Simon did with Betty.
You're making my argument for me
You're saying that Simon lost betty because he didn't sacrifice enough which is the easy message to take but the WRONG message. That message would mean putting on the crown is what he should do - sacrifice for others like he didn't for betty.
The message the author wants you to get and Betty wants Simon to get is that Simon should consider HIMSELF the way Betty didn't. That Betty self-sacrificing was bad. It's telling him not to put on the crown.
My criticism is that the intended message doesn't come across, and the message YOU got is the natural conclusion from the writing but is the OPPOSITE of the intended message.
That's monumentally bad writing
>You're saying that Simon lost betty because he didn't sacrifice enough which is the easy message to take but the WRONG message. That message would mean putting on the crown is what he should do - sacrifice for others like he didn't for betty. The message the author wants you to get and Betty wants Simon to get is that Simon should consider HIMSELF the way Betty didn't. That Betty self-sacrificing was bad. It's telling him not to put on the crown.
The message was to be supposed to be a retrospective for Simon, on his relationship with Betty, how it went wrong, and why she did what she did. The point was to finally enlighten Simon and allow him to move on, they made their choices, what attracted them to each other in the first place was what eventually seperated them forever.
Remember that Simon wasn't truly wearing the crown for Fionna and Cake's sake but rather that he just wanted to escape his issues. Him becoming the Ice King again would shit on Betty's ultimate sacrifice for him.
>Remember that Simon wasn't truly wearing the crown for Fionna and Cake's sake but rather that he just wanted to escape his issues.
that is not true AT ALL. He was 100% trying to get the crown in order to help Fionna and Cake. He HATES the idea of being Ice King again and considers it almost like suicide
>He HATES the idea of being Ice King again and considers it almost like suicide
Yet he does it anyway because he sees no point in living in Ooo and being seperated from Betty once again.
>Literally screaming as Shermy that millions of lives depend on him finding the crown
Yeah bro it was all a cope there was never a dilemma of Simon's sanity vs Aaaaaa's lives that wasn't what the entire fricking CYOA and flashback was about
The CYOA and flashback was about Simon understanding and moving on from Betty, not really a moral dilemma about the crown
The only reason it even happens is because Betty is trying to stop him from putting on the crown. Betty wants him to practice self-care, to not sacrifice himself by putting on the crown.
>Betty wants him to practice self-care, to not sacrifice himself by putting on the crown.
And he realizes that in relation to how Betty constantly sacrificed herself for him, that's a bad thing and something Simon should not repeat, especially if it would revert the one thing Betty actually successfully achieved.
You're saying what I said back to me as if it were new information
Why?
simon and betty are not in even remotely similar situations. the whole show is moronic. literately, built back to front.
the fate of a universe and simon feeling wanted again are both solved by putting on the crown. its barely a self sacrifice, he wants to be ice king. fionna and cake just gave him the push. the real sacrifce would be staying simon for marcys sake, who seemed to have accepted ice king and didnt seem all that worried or interested about simon in f&c.
>but ice king isnt simon
if non magic fionna is considered the real fionna by the show, despite that not being her original form and her having no memories of that state, it stands to reason that ice king is just as much simon as simon. however, betty still has reason to prevent simon from putting on that particular crown, because it would start transforming simon into wintergreen, which is what creates ice king, but corrupts simon. so fionna and simon need to get the crown from ice thing, who wished to be ice king. then, simon could be ice king without contradicting bettys wish. again, this makes sense because, fionna said "die as ourselves" while not herself.
so if you want simon to stay simon, to stay simon you need to spend way more time on marcy. or, not as good but i know those cali c**ts absolutely need to have their bubbline, make it impossible for fionna and cake to go back (it would be the last straw for simon invalidating bettys wish). their arc is accepting their lost world. simons arc would be accepting the role of ambassador to ooo, forcing him to properly integrate rather than litterly living in the past. you can still have the world jumping and scarab, but it wouldnt end with finding a crown. in the fionna and cake route the last scene would be simon and fionna kissing surrounded by fire flies, then cake interrupts being chased by the bear from episode one, who is now even bigger and more grotesque, with finn, hw, and marcy on its tail.
I think it's more of a sacrifice than you're making it out to be, it's a confused suicide metaphor but it is one.
I definitely agree that becoming magic but mitigating the madness should have been explored more, especially after Winter King.
Fionna talking about dying as yourself when she's not herself is definitely jarring.
not done yet.
betty's sacrifice was unnecessary until she summoned golb, which she didnt have to do because prismo. if she had listened to simon, or ice king, she wouldnt have just stayed in the past. her not going to prismo is the writers wanting a big bad for the final; more writer moronation. betty was fixing a mess she caused, and simon got caught in the cross fire.
turns out bettys sacrifice still caused a lot of problems, so simon has to clean up the rest of her mess. him putting on an ice thing crown would do that and make him feel better, and he is in this situation through no fault of his own.
betty obsessing over simon pre-mushroomwar, betty not listening to simon and ice king and magic man, betty summoning golb. simon made mistakes sure, but no mistakes he would have reasonably been able to make other than by being jesus christ himself. simon is only human; betty is a narcissist.
and simon finding the crown wasnt an all bad thing by any means. we saw what happens when marceline has no simon, and farmworld only happens because simon stopped the bombs with the crown. and fionna and cake only exist because ice king wrote them/stored them.
this show should be taught in school as an example of what not to do.
>confused suicide metaphor but it is one.
in that case see above. no matter what logic you apply the story makes no sense.
>mitigating the madness
i was just talking about navigating bettys wish. i forgot about that. they could easily side step that by saying winter king needs someone to take on the madness and simon doesnt want to do that, but that fact it was never even looked into is stupid. i agree.
This seems like cope. "Oh he wasn't really trying to help Fionna and Cake he was just being selfish as usual."
So if sacrifice not even a thing here? It's almost like the show is trying to say "Every time you try to self-sacrifice you're actually being selfish deep deep down"
>This seems like cope. "Oh he wasn't really trying to help Fionna and Cake he was just being selfish as usual."
Rewatch the fourth episode, his declaration to become Ice King again to save Fionna and Cake's world wasn't a completely selfless decision. The scene with Prismo and him rewatching the moment in Golb's stomach just reaffirmed to him that he seemingly had nothing left. That's what initially motivated him.
You can have two motivations
Simon being depressed doesn't make the moral dilemma disappear
There's very little to support the idea that putting the crown on would be selfish even if there's definitely a confused suicide analogy jumbled in there.
>There's very little to support the idea that putting the crown on would be selfish even if there's definitely a confused suicide analogy jumbled in there.
So you think it should have ended with Simon turning back into Ice King?
The issue isn't that the dilemma resolved "the wrong way"
The issue is that the dilemma wasn't resolved at all. It was sidestepped.
And all of this is very besides the original point that the intended message of self-care is easily lost in all this context.
But for the record putting on the crown or not is a pretty basic trolley problem and most people would agree the moral thing to do is put it on.
Most stories, especially ones for kids, usually sidestep trolley problem-esque dilemmas. The rarely go "oh that one guy should totally die for the sake of the rest" because obviously that would conflict with the lighthearted tone and spirit so an out being given is very normal.
In the case of Fionna and Cake, the out being given by Betty, now merged with the most powerful entity in the series and one who has a very personal connection to Simon, wasn't surprising at all. The core of the story was about Simon dealing with his funk post-AT so finally resolving things with Betty in turn rewards him with a happy ending for both him and Fionna.
>For kids
>Lighthearted tone and spirit
Fionna and Cake is an adult animation with quite a lot of horrible death and tragedy
>it wasn't actually about what they focused on for a majority of the episodes, it was about Simon's funk
It was about multiple things.
Deus ex machina is lazy even in acceptable situations, and this isn't one.
>Fionna and Cake is an adult animation with quite a lot of horrible death and tragedy
Fionna and Cake is literally PG-13, some blood and light swearing doesn't make it "adult animation".
>it wasn't actually about what they focused on for a majority of the episodes, it was about Simon's funk
Which was the focused on in most of the episodes since he was the main character, this theme of characters being depressed from the mundanity and repetition of daily life extends to Fionna, Prismo, and even The Lich
What part of my posts was too hard for you
Why do you think I don't know that
I understand the intended message. I spelled it out. The problem is conveyance. The story isn't written well to get across that intended message. The natural takeaway is not the intended message.
>The story isn't written well to get across that intended message. The natural takeaway is not the intended message.
Was it? People, even anons here, were already calling that Betty was giving too much for Simon and him none in return before the finale outright spelled it out.
it spelled out 'your life is built in sacrifices so stop being depressed and killing yourself'
Why would setup from another series matter to whether these two episodes conveyed a theme or message well
I'm posting in English, aren't I? Why does it feel like you're all translating my posts from chinese before reading them
>Why would setup from another series matter to whether these two episodes conveyed a theme or message well
I was referring to episode eight, people were already noting the imbalance between Simon and Betty in the flashback, some even pointed out how their love song cuts off just before the lyrics point out the flaw in their relationship in the ep.
>Restore them
That's not what they want though. I get it's shitty they were changed without consent the first time, but reverting back is just as bad. No one is willingly going to lose their current memories, friendships, and personalities unless they're suicidal or something.
>Headcanon.
Your take that everyone would want to go back is what's headcanon.
>the moral dilemma that the series set up was sidestepped by deus ex machina.
The story wasn't about the moral dilemma of putting the crown back on. It was about Fionna learning to appreciate the world she has, and Simon being able to value himself and move on. I don't care that GOLB canonized Fionna-world, because that's more or less what I expected. The meat of the story was their intrapersonal conflicts, not some gritty moral dilemma.
>The perspective characters in the three little pigs are the pigs
The Casper & Nova story was Betty's way of communicating how much she sacrificed for Simon without him knowing. That knowledge made Simon wish that Betty had valued herself more, which he is then able to redirect toward himself. For Simon, it had to be that way around for him to get it. If he was just told a story about some rando sacrificing themself and how that was bad without a clear parallel to his relationship with Betty, it would've been harder for him to connect with the lesson from Betty's perspective.
>That's not what they want though
Again, they can't make that decision. They are not equipped to do so.
>Your take that they want to go back
That's not my take. Argue against me, not a strawman.
>The story wasn't about whether Simon should put on the crown
You're an idiot.
>Casper and Nova was about...
Jesus christ you're a broken record. I understand the intention. It fails.
>If he was just told a story about some rando sacrificing themself and how that was bad without a clear parallel to his relationship with Betty
N
The parallel to his relationship is not the issue, that is obviously a requirement. The issue is the focus of the author and Simon on his actions instead of hers. I cannot make this any clearer. If the book segment were pulled off correctly Simon would be in the perspective of Nova, choosing to sacrifice for Casper over and over with it never working. That's a proper role-reversal.
>The intention was...
What in the frick makes you think I'm not aware of that? Is this a bot post? The intention failed.
You haven't stated how it exactly failed, just that you seem to be mad that Simon was admonished... except that's not what happened?
>You haven't stated how it failed
>You're mad about the message you outright state wasn't intentional!
Jesus
Fricking
Christ
Start from the top of the chain and fricking read like you aren't a toddler
NTA but I get what you're saying and I had a similar reaction until I discussed it with others
I think what happened there was now that Betty is fused with Golb she's like a deity that's beyond wanting to go back to normal and be with Simon and is instead exploring the secrets of existence on her own time and with her own interests like she wanted to do with Simon but instead always sacrificed and did what he wanted instead.
She doesn't hold resentment for this and did truly love him and their time together, but now she's grown passed that. To let Simon try to "save" her would be to again sacrifice what she wants and go with his path which she doesn't want to do anymore. The story and entire reason for stopping him from wearing the crown is both to teach him this so he can move passed being depressed about her and reconsider what he thinks is the best path forward because as we can see it often isn't. Most of the reason he's even willing to put the crown on again is because he's giving up on life if he can't get Betty back so he figures he'll at least do something nice for Fiona and Cake and check out of having to deal with not being able to "save" her, but Betty shows him that his first plan often eventually leads to room and that by choosing to go with her plan instead (the dandelion) there's actually a different option that saves they're universe without him sacrificing himself. She's also able to tell him that while their time together never everything to the both of them out wasn't as great as he's remembering and there's a reason she doesn't want to come back allowing him to reflect, grow as a person, and move on to find a new happiness in the future.
>They are not equipped to do so.
Yes they are. The people they were before no longer exist. They have every right to choose to live as they are.
>You're an idiot
And you're very rude. But I'm right. Simon putting on the crown was never framed as anything but a bad idea. There was no "moral dilemma" as far as the story was concerned. You can disagree with that decision, but objectively the story didn't present it as a dilemma.
> It fails.
Agree to disagree.
>Simon would be in the perspective of Nova
The problem with this is that Simon doesn't see a problem sacrificing himself because he doesn't value his life. No lesson learned.
>The people they were before no longer exist.
Headcanon contradicted explicitly by Cake and implicitly by a shitload of coffee world interactions
>Nuh-uh
Idiot.
>I disagree but have no actual counterpoints
Cool, frick off
>A story from Nova'a perspective about not sacrificing too much for others and valuing yourself wouldn't teach simon to value himself or stop a sacrifice
Idiot.
Christ you're an butthole.
>A story from Nova'a perspective about not sacrificing too much for others and valuing yourself wouldn't teach simon to value himself or stop a sacrifice
No, because Simon would just pick the self-sacrifice option and not see a problem with it. It's only through empathising with betty, his great love, that he can see the problem. Whatever, we've made our points.
Fair, but I don't think it did. We're not supposed to ever think that Simon putting on the crown is the right option. We're just waiting on the characters to realise that.
>You're an butthole
Welcome to Cinemaphile, frickstick, get out.
>You can't empathize with the perspective character in media!
Do I need to say it?
>We're not supposed to ever think that Simon putting on the crown is the right option.
That's wrong, but if it were right it would be an even greater failure of writing than what was already discussed. Putting on the crown is framed as saving an entire universe worth of lives and Fionna and Simon directly vocalize the moral conflict ("It's not right to ask you to go crazy again" vs "Fionna you dumb b***h your entire universe is gonna die"). If not putting the crown on was unambiguously the right option there would have been no need to sidestep the issue with Betty Ex Machina.
I get what they were trying to do. Really, I do. It's just very muddled and incohesive due to the context and perspective they chose.
>Welcome to Cinemaphile, frickstick, get out.
You can do and be (most of) anything in Cinemaphile, mandating you have to be rude or an butthole is more of a Reddit thing really
>that's so reddit
>You can't empathize with the perspective character in media!
That doesn't really apply in a CYOA. And if it were a regular story, I don't think that'd be enough to convince Simon. It's pretty easy to rationalise someone else's circumstance as being different.
>objectively the story didn't present it as a dilemma.
Whether or not you're right that it was supposed to be a moral dilemma (you're not and it was, both for Simon and Fionna, they talk about it a lot) saying a story "objectively" anything makes you sound completely moronic.
>you're not and it was, both for Simon and Fionna, they talk about it a lot
Fionna explictly does not want Simon to turn back to Ice King because she feels sorry for him. When the Scarab starts destroying her world, she focuses on saving as much citizens as she can instead of just standing around hoping Simon could wear the crown.
Fionna's actions have absolutely nothing to do with the saving of her world. As far as she knows the only way to do that is for Simon to put on the crown. It's all up to Simon. He chucks the crown and then gets handed the plot coupon that allows him to save Fionna's world anyway.
It's not quite that simple because Simon putting on the crown would in a way destroy that world too.
I guess but my main point stands that Fionna's actions don't really matter. She just happens to come to the conclusion that she'd prefer the world to stay the way it is, but the actual reason that ends up happening comes down to Simon getting handed the solution by Golbetty as a reward for learning his lesson
>They accidentally gave Simon and Fionna lots of chemistry
yes but none of it was romantic chemistry. I don't know how people can ship them when their interactions were friendly at most
Fionna falling for and kissing Winter King might have something to do with it
oh yes the one she killed and is nothing like the real Simon yes anon
Because she keeps pursuing Simon-faces.
they are the kmark versions of eachothers dream girl/boy.
a romance would feed into the "seeing whats in front of you" theme. also, people like watching trainwrecks.
People are just stupid.
Coomer AND moron, wow.
I think my only complaint is they handled the whole: "Should Fiona's works be magic or mundane" thing a little sloppy. I'm the first episode they show some people remember being magic a bit but are confused about it. I get that they wanted to mirror it to Simon's arc of accepting who he is now and not becoming Ice King again, but it fell a tad flat for the Fiona world characters.
I think it would've worked better to either have each character get to choose if they would go back to being magical or stay the same (to fit with Simon being himself but still living in a fantastical world) or they should've worked in an angle where the characters realized that before they were just one dimensional knock-offs of other characters and in the new world they've actually grown and become their own people (this was sort of touched on with Marshall and Gary being nervous about returning to their previous state and potentially losing who they are now, but only briefly.)
Maybe if they had a way to condense the first four-ish episodes down instead of giving Simon, Fiona, and Cake each their own establishing episode they would've had some wiggle room to work that in.
I wonder how finn went from looking like this in obsidian to looking like an absolute unit in fionna and cake, he looks so peaceful here and now he is swole and kills monsters
When even is Obsidian?
before fionna and cake because simon is coping by doing this
So like less than 12years? Also, Simon is insane.
HW pussy
Autistic sapussy hit different
I can't find the fricking image but it was Huntress Wizard and Finn post SEXOOO, Finn saying "so... sap, huh?"
The next page was BMO saying "I'm moving out" with Shelby saying "Shelby will stay"
Here you go anon.
Thank
Artist name so I can remember and also find panel 2
https://www.tumblr.com/discount-supervillain
Thank you Jesus
do american anons even know how much of a meme this is?
>Render Distance: 8 chunks
Ah yes Minecraft has come a long way.
We need a dark crossover, of Steve in Fionna and Cake's universe, fulfilling Scarab's warning.
>fulfilling Scarab's warning.
I can see.
No, their threat will be much more... grotesque
Can't believe it's already been three years since Cinemaphile and Twitter got ballblasted by Steve making it to Smash Bros...
>listen to Time Adventure during the finale
>thought it was sweet but didn’t dwell on it
>listen to it again after finishing F&C
>racked with a deep sadness
I love that building on the left with a tiny forest in it
I don't know why cities don't do this aside from the fact that makes it more expensive because you have to reinforce it.
Imagine a park at the top of every apartment complex all furnished with animals and exotic plants
That would be the place to go to see sunsets and hang out with other people who live in the building who you'd otherwise never see
Reminds me of The Last Reservation cartoon
>betty statue is the center of the universe
cute
His hand.
Will there be a Season 2 now that Muto ruined the Finale?
no
I think the writers hate Billy just as much if not more than Finn
considering he has died in just about every other dimension you might have a point.
He might still be around in Farmworld, Finn merely froze him.
The idea of a strong, heroic, male figure offends the writers/current creators of the show.
Finn is a strong heroic male figure, meanwhile his female counterpart chooses to live a mundane life over an adventerous one.
This unironically looks cute.
They even have complimentary outfits
Honestly i can see it, maybe a universe where Elise lived 1000+ years and Martin wasnt an amnesiac asshat.
You know, having not seen AT in like 10 years and suddenly revisiting it through F&C makes me realize there's still something special about this show. I'm not as versed in cartoons as some people but from what I know there's just nothing else quite like this, with its unhinged and weird atmosphere.
the sole survivor? Of the 2010s era shows.
others either got a successor or just fricking died
Simon Shermy
God I love Shermy. We barely got any screentime with him, but every moment we saw was entertaining
Same, i hope we get to see him more sometime if we dont get a mini series based on him and Beth.
Reminder he has a naked Simon right behind him here
I also want to see more Beth and Shermy but I'm a little afraid that it may be one of those things that's best left to being a "show a little and let them wonder" kind of thing, so if they never do that's ok, too.
It's it confirmed that they're the reincarnation of Finn and Jake after that afterlife episode?
We kind of know a lot about Ooo 1000+ thanks to Steve Wolfhard's sketches
imagine if Simermy just continue playing Casper and Nova and repeating the exact same steps as he done before resulting in him falling into another loop as Beth desperately trying to tell Simon the game is trying to teach him a lesson
>uh 'Simon'?
>Yes Beth?
>Don't you think the game is trying to tell you something?Something about yourself?
>No?Now let's make Casper drink the potion for the third time, I am pretty sure he will get the crown this time
>Uh.......'Simon'......maybe you should try choosing nova's choices?Maybe they would actually lead you to the crown?
>Why would I do so?
>Uhh.......Casper is now stuck in another dimension in another dimension because of your choices.......maybe you should change your ways?
>I NEED TO CROWN TO SAVE A WORLD!
>Listen Simon Petrikov,Betty paid me 20 bucks to teach you a fricking Lesson so why don't you just sit down, hear me lecture you about how she sacrificed so much for you and frick off?
>NO!I am going to get the crown and save Fionna and Cake no matter what!
>*beth facepalms
wow, only 20 dollars? Betty is a stingy goddess.
she looks like the type of girl to do that
shermy’s voice made simon’s poindexter-isms 80x more apparent. i wanted to swirly the lil shit so much.
I love this little fella
>the show tried to get across X, but the poor writing made it accidentally convey Y instead
>ACTUALLY THEY WERE TRYING TO SAY X, I GUESS YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND
I came into this thread worried about people's media literacy
I leave worried about people's basic literacy
Which way Simonbros?
Left makes him a grey fox, right one makes him younger
yeah but I like comic simon best, idk i like greyfox simon but he's depressing and feels like a regression of his character.
I think comic simon does the hair pulling he's pretty chad
why did WB just fricking disowned the entire kaboom series anyways?
They could just pass it off as another timeline or something
ikr, Simon in the comics is so cool and got that unspoken rizz. Also like how he actually goes on adventures with the team and is a good adventurer
The Adventure Time comics were always another timeline I thought
I want to feed the one on the left soup, and I want to yank the ponytail of the guy on the right.
Season two is gonna be Icecream queen getting stuck in Ooo and getting dragged into life threatening situations with Finn. Save it, im right.
Based, Simonna will happen in every universe one way or another.
Interesting concept but how would it play out? Why or how would she go to Ooo?
Remember this happened.
Gumball and Marshall's plot was boring as shit but I did like the Slumber Party Panic reference.
Yeah, that was when guardians were basically ancient, protective automatons not jobbers created by bubblegum.
a female version of Simon, what better ending than doubling down and jerking off yourself?
>Simon: Did you also lose your Betty?
>simone: Bertram and yes.
>simon: I'm Simon Petrikov, although I suppose you already knew that *laughs*
>Simone: hi Simon, I'm Simone Petrikov, although I suppose you knew that too *laughs*
>Simon: you have a beautiful laugh *blush*
>Simone: *blush* thank you.
>simon: simone, would you like to go...
>simone: to the library?
>simon: in the archeology section?
>simone: and look for a book about ancient magical artifacts?
>simon: yes...
>simone: I would love to.
>simon: incredible! Come on!
>*simon and simone run to the library holding hands*
>narrator: the best adventures are when you don't learn anything, the end.
>fionna: what?! is that the end? end up dating a female version of yourself?
>Finn: I don't know, to my liking.
>fionna: oh wow, and who are you, bear man?
>finn: Finn Merttens, nice to meet you, little girl.
>fionna: Fionna campbel, and the pleasure is mine, handsome.
B E H O L D !
>Jake downloads a funny dance from the internet.
>Internet downloads a funnt gif from the Jake.
Ending with either Simon becoming Ice King again or everyone dying would've been a bit of a bummer.
The exact ending we got and these two outcomes are not the only options
What routes can a second season take?
>Fionna and Cake get roped in another multiverse adventure with the other alternate characters who moved into their universe
>Simon moves out into a new home and tries to appreciate more of his life in Ooo, maybe Marceline is part of the main cast now
>Somehow the Lich hands returned
>Fionna and Cake have to deal with the problems of motherhood when raising baby Finn.
>Hunter bailing on baby Finn.
Finn is destined to have a dead beat dad.
>Finn is destined to have a dead beat dad.
Sad, but true.
Can baby Finn even grow up? I think everyone from baby world is perma-baby.
Maybe the wish was PB and she extended her rule all across Ooo, and so it's all safe and sterile. So they aren't permanently babies, it's just they happened to be babies when they entered.
The baby universe is a BMO Prismo wish
The idea that Prismo becomes so easily accessible that side-characters from Ooo show up to get free wishes is pretty lulzy
At least Wyatt apparently had to go on a murder spree to get to him. How the frick did BMO get there.
I mean I guess it's much easier if you know Finn and Jake, he could have just asked Jake or gotten that little piece of paper Jake had that teleports him there.
>At least Wyatt apparently had to go on a murder spree to get to him
Ahh, so that's why he's in the setting's equivalent of hell
This probably wasn't our BMO, but a different BMO from a universe where that was easier for him.
>banana guard stumbles his way into Prismo's palace and makes a wish
>diap
Bad vibes I've only ever heard the word diap used by weirdos, but I can see how you could innocently pick up the phrase.
Why are you hanging around weirdos so much as to associate such an innocent word with them
I don't hang around them very often, I just like some less weird things that they like, I'm also kind of a weirdo but their weirdness makes me uncomfortable.
Gross
I just like regular BDSM, ageplay makes me want to puke.
freak
Every universe they go to could have been a wish universe. Farmworld & Jerryworld explicitly are, Vampworld could be VK’s wish. Not sure about Winter King’s world, maybe that’s Gunther’s wish?
>Cut to the end of the universe, no, the multiverse, 9000 years after any futures ever seen in the show, the very end of the timeline
>Baby Finn is the only being still alive, unaging but still capable of defending himself due to being a Finn
>Simon therapy adventure subplot
>Fionna finally have to deal with her fricking consequences
>Flynn just chilling
>Lynn x Paul McCartney kino
yeah that's it
Flynn and Jacques escape from Ice Queen's head where the exact same scenario as S1 has happened. Go from there
More Flynn!
>MORE INTERRACIAL HOMOSEXUALITY
Lich hands but only if it’s a Sweet Pea adventure
Ice cream Queen's fanfic turns real as the result of canonization of her world within the multiverse, spawing a rabbit hole of worlds within worlds.
I feel like the Winter King episode has a lot of implications that should be a big part of the finale but just aren't
Until the Winter King it was just a given that gaining magic would make Simon an insane fool again, but that episode implies that the madness is something that can be countered or transferred. It shows that there's an outcome where Fionna's world is safe and restored and Simon is magic but not driven mad.
It could even better tie into and support the message they wanted to send about Simon and Betty's relationship - instead of him not remembering Betty because that part of him was pushed onto Bubblegum maybe this Simon had a healthier relationship with her. He could have mentioned "that girl I saw the petroglyphs with."
I got the impression that Winter King became what he is because his Marceline died so for Simon to overcome the crown's madness enough to at least be able transfer it would involve him going through emotional trauma again.
There are tons of interesting ways to take the Winter King story, even not telling us what happened and having the characters chase this third option of a Sane Ice King to avoid having to sacrifice Simon in future episodes, but they just kind of stop thinking about it afterwards.
What I wanna know is why didn’t Simon just use the crown and project his madness onto the Lich.
Then we have a lich raping princesses or making a new ice age
>lich raping princesses
He already did that in Mortal Recoil…
Real question is why didn’t Finn rape the Lich out of PB?
Chad finn, saves the world by domesticating the lich.
But he could just freeze the Lich after putting the insanity on him.
You remember what happened last time right?
>why doesn’t Simon just mindrape the lich
>first thing Simon does upon hearing the Lich moaning about his lack of purpose is try to comfort him
It wouldn’t cross his mind
Hear me out, next miniseries: Finn the human
>Episode 1 starts with an update AT intro showing adult finn but jake is visibly tired
>Episode ends with jake's death
>Episode 2: the intro starts playing but instead of finn and jake's usual fist bump is just fin waking up not knowing what to do without jake
Hypothetically another Adventure Time miniseries could literally be about anything and anyone because the setting is evergreen and there's like a hundred characters. It could totally star Finn and Jake once again, the story would just have to be serialized over the course of ten episodes with 24 minute runtimes.
Or, and bear with me here,
We let the setting die and find a new creator with a story they want to tell instead of milking a long-dead cow for the last squirts of cash
>instead of milking a long-dead cow for the last squirts of cash
Clearly not if Fionna and Cake was the most watched show on Max in September
>most watched show on Max
Not a lot of competition there
Frick it give me 10 episodes of these two enabling eachother's inner moron and messing around Ooo.
This would unironically be kino of the highest order. You could even work in Marceline helping Finn get over Jake's death at some point, but but required at all
NO, as a proud lesbian she has more important things to do than knocking around with losers, abusers and above all m*les. That sweet pink c**t ain't gonna suck itself.
lmfao
sad but true
Shut up Marcy, you’re a sex addict…
Bonnie made her that way! Who do you think was spending all day doing every little kinky thing she wanted?
Finn, but Marcy ignored him to bow before Bonnie…
Hey she might be into that, don't kink shame.
>Bonnie’s and Marcy’s shared fetish is mindbreaking Finn into having no self confidence to the point where he won’t even reach out for help when he needs it
Actually evil…
Even though I do like their willingness to tackle a mature theme and show life post-Jake I 100% want some more Finn & Jake adventures.
I'd also like to see:
> Huntress Princess-centeres episode(s)
> Finn & HP episode
> Wizard School episode
> Some more Prizmo
> Marceline & PB
> Some BMO shenanigans
> Maybe that rabbit world from Distant Lands
> Maybe an LSP, or Lumpy Space episode
> Maybe a Flame Princess or Slime Princess episode
Butch PB… (^-^)
Vampire PB
Ruined…. ;-;
The look of dread on her face is awesome.
Rewatching Holly Jolly Secrets and I genuinely forgot Marceline was there at the end, kind of funny in retrospect but I think her respective pasts with PB and Ice King were already conceived by the writers at this point which outright makes it hilarious
Makes sense that she doesn't want to be around either at that point in the show.
Second is better, Betty wrapped up like a mummy makes my monkey brain go ogga, ogga
for me it's the regal/goddess nature of the wraps and loose bandages are hot asf
Based take
Plus her hair is much more beautiful than the other versions
What is going on here?
I just finished rewatching the series. Why don't they sing come along with me in the climax of the finale? that seems like such a gimme
They already did that for the Main series Finale. Plus it wouldn't fit as well with Simon moving on and accepting that he and Betty can't go along with each other anymore
On that note, Time Adventure could also fit well, though that's more for the lyrics as the mood of the song wouldn't fit
I was talking about the main series
Does anyone have the full screenshot of Simon holding hands with Fionna? Why does Astrid have Casper & Nova drawn?
>Why does Astrid have Casper & Nova drawn?
It's implying she wrote the book that Shermy & Beth read
Now how would she know about the crown?
because Ice King wrote Fionna & Cake which she's a huge fan of and Simon didn't
Uncanny Astrid writes two characters Casper & Nova that parallel Simon's relationship or Astrid is Betty's reincarnation
Because everyone knows about the Ice King
She learned about it from the book Simon shows in the 1st episode.
You’ve got the full screenshot, unfortunately
Funny that Astrid ships Simonna
heres something better
>Does anyone have the full screenshot of Simon holding hands with Fionna? I mean on the same screenshot on Astrid's book
Just binged the whole thing in one go.
So was the bear Huntress Wizard and did Finn fricking kill her?
yes
probably
I mean probably not but it's funny to shitpost about
I never saw the bear what episode was it in?
I don’t think HW is dead but the bear is significant since its mask shows up in the end credits with a butterfly
Yes and yes, its canon now.
The bear was big destiny.
>the ooo version of jay gets born eventually and ends up falling in love with a bear girl once he grows up
Highly unlikely, but its a funny shitpost that pisses the Finncels off.
Second episode.
Is it unlikely in the sense that they wouldn't off a popular character or is there anything more substantial that I*m missing? Because he said she told him to never ever come there, and then he's like "I'm off to see HW" right after killing her. And it had her eyes. Which is weird because most AT eyes are just black dots.
>is there anything more substantial that I*m missing?
The writers never allow Finn to be happy is what youre missing
Only lesbians get to be
people have pointed out plenty of issues with the bear being HW, mainly being
A) why the frick didnt she stop the second she saw Finn, assuming she doesnt know who Simon is either. Especially since you can see the "bear" watching Finn when he was alone.
B) HW's eyes have been consistant in all of her versions, no iris, green scelera and greener pupils. The bear's eyes had white/yellow scelera, greenish-blue iris and black pupils.
C) Why just randomly kill off a major character in Finn's life for no reason.
Now the bear COULD have been related to huntress's species but regardless theres too many inconsistancies for the bear to be HW herself.
A) Finn broke her trust by going there. No words, only death for breaking the sancticity of the heart of oo.
B) I guess. Does all of her forms have the exact same eyes? I'm too lazy to check.
C) Why kill off the Lich for no reason?
The lich is still alive just trapped. Not that anon you are talking to.
A) You would unironically have a better arguement with "the forest fricks with her mind" than "She threw away her relationship with the only person she loves because he did something she didnt like", thats moronic.
B) Yes all her animal forms and alternative versions do, even the farmworld kid has the same eyes as her, with a circle pupil than a sharp one.
C) To show that GOLB is a chaotic god and Lich's crusade only "rewards" him with eternal damnation.
I took the “no one should ever come here” as a warning of danger as opposed to what you’re saying. Also Huntress Wizard isnt moronic, if she got mad at Finn she would probably just yell at him, not attack in a blind rage and completely job despite being shown to be around Finn’s level of combat skill. Like the other anon said, this would only make sense if the forest cursed her or something
>Finn broke her trust by going there.
Black person it’s just a dangerous forest
I hadn’t really considered that if it was HW related, it was a conscious HW aware of what she was doing.
Maybe a were-HW, or a family member/pet/familiar, and/or maybe Finn and HW were in cahoots. I remember Finn noticing something something moving in the bushes but he didn’t do anything until Simon screamed.
There’s something fishy about that bear though, I tell you.
the bear is gonna take over Finn through that huge gash it gave him and Fionna's gonna have to fight him in S2
Yeah, that gash seemed noteworthy.
The idea that Finn and HW were fake fighting to help Simon out kind of fits but the only problem i have with it is the fact Finn threw Simon a hunting knife so Simon could kill the bear. You can make the arguement that Finn knew Simon wouldnt do it but still, it felt too unscripted to me.
Found one of them
have a nice day
Stay mad.
Forgot to mention that I’m trans, incase anyone was wondering
>called a Finncel often
>point out the bear shit
>get accused of pissing off Finncels
>Finncels
>Simoncels
You people are schizophrenic and love making up boogeymen
I also noticed on F&C's return, the Betty statue was GOLB and the sky was full of GOLB symbols. Was anything else different when they went back to their original world?
The final episode gave off major "We wanted to explore new concepts but don't know how to end the show, there was supposed to be a message somewhere right? Uhhh here is one" vibes. Like I get what they were going for but it was so hamfisted it bordered on preachy, and the Fionna and Cake conclusion feels random and disconnected from any of the Simon plot.
I don't think the writers had any malice as Simon is made to be sympathetic the entire time. I just think they didn't know how to end the show and forced in a bunch of messages to make it feel conclusive.
I feel like if they didn't try to force a message and just let things play out naturally it would still feel more satisfying, even if there is no massive revelation or character shift. I'd say the appeal of AT was never the themes, it was always about the world-building and characters. Themes just happen to surface from that, sometimes intentionally but mostly unintentionally. A traditional narrative structure just never fit the series and the writers should've known better.
Yeah, the whole "don't let your partner sacrifice for you" smacks of someone in the writing room just fictionalizing their own experience. Which is not itself bad but doesn't really fit with Simon's relationship with Betty (since he DID try to prevent her from sacrificing for him, and did a lot of sacrificing himself) so they have to twist themselves into knots trying to get it to make sense. And then the whole thing is barely relevant to Fionna and Cake's story anyway
Honestly I just skipped past all the relationship crap. No romance in AT has ever been good and I won't be fooled again.
The Simon-Betty relationship problems seemed like a thing that was always supposed to be expanded on since Temple of Mars but s10 fricked with their plans I think. But it's way too rushed here.
I think if this dynamic was explore BEFORE Betty turned into Golbetty it wouldn't be so Simon-focused or be solely about his choices.
I actually thought their relationship has a lot more potential to be explored, the problem was trying to tie it into a lesson Simon HAS to learn from(cuz oh nyo last episode, if character don't learn something, den y tell story?), instead of just letting it exist as a flawed relationship that you can derive something from on your own.
Source please
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I would have really liked Simon confronting the Ice King at the end instead of Betty and at the end becoming a better version of Winter King or something. Like Simon and Ice King have to go through a mental adventure together through their life.
So is he just fricking dead???
You don't get to make a character as lovable and endearing as Ice King then just write him out as an inconvenience.
I swear, the focus on Betty really made the writers forget Ice King isn't just crazy Simon.
He deserves to exist.
He's literally just crazy Simon.
>Which is not itself bad but doesn't really fit with Simon's relationship with Betty
The flashbacks to their relationship in F&C are Bojack Horseman-levels of shoddy retcon, there's hints in the original show too. Like giving up your entire life to be with someone you aren't even married to yet
This, Islands was the best miniseries because it was more focused on worldbuilding than plot. Do the cubes that sporadically change weather to the point it fricked up an entire island contribute anything to the themes? No, it's simply something that exists in the world, to add depth to the setting and make it feel more real. Finn didn't need to learn a lesson, he was already correct and changes the minds of the other humans. That's peak AT to me.
Islands and Elements were real good. I'm surprised they made more after that.
Adding this here. and I gotta say, Marshall Lee looking pretty cute looking like that.
>Captcha:PTS0S
Why daddy?
That's alot to take here.
So the wienerroach guy was turned into a shadow at the end as punishment, and Prismo is kind of a total b***h as a shadow. I wonder if Prismo's (original body) did something wrong and was punished to maintain that form?
I'm just glad Marceline was a horrible person in every apperance. Hate that character post-S4.
Uhh she's actually an empowered lesbian female of colour, chuddy.
Marceline is sweet PB is the one that is a horrible person, marcy deserves better
the princess will fly around on a couch saving little villagers from a vampire kaiju cloud, and all you can think about is her little warcrimes
Hitler techincally fixed Germany's economy and expanded it 10x over. All we care about is his little war crimes
that she does, it's why obsidian was only ok for me. It felt like the special was only about Marcy flaws without calling out PB for being a workholic and planning for her failure.
But in the end she's just PB's vamp gf now while PB gets to girl boss and commit war crimes always being the smartest in the room.
It was more or less a Marcy special, which was kind of redundant seeing as we had an entire miniseries for that. But the the mom story needed to be explained
true, I want to know what killed her though was demon dick so potent it ruined her insides lol. But yeah in the end I do want more marcy content because she has the most plot as a side character unlike PB who is pretty straight forward.
I would love a simon and marcy miniseries apparently he met her as a toddler based on the writing. so i'm guessing marcy was way younger than we though and she was like 12 when he abandoned her. if we assume she was 3-4 when they met and she was like 12 that's 8 years plus we know simon had a thing with the vampire lady so much fun could be done in a simon and marcy prequel series.
Obsidian's breakup premise was moronic because it created switcheroo of motives. It turned Marceline into a stupid, entitled, selfish brat even though she was described as an adventurous and rather heroic person and decided to pretend that Bubblegum has always been a hypercompetent and selfless strong girlboss even thought during the bulk of the main series she was neither.
Exactly that's my biggest gripe about them getting together, they obviously start trending towards that thing where when females get together they become caricatures of themselves usually to make dumb shipping moments or drama. Marcy was always a rough exterior but sweet heart at her core, it's why she was a massive ship with finn she had that punk older sister/tomboy vibe.
Also in general PB really got dickrode by the writers the most out of all the AT characters. She became more abrasive and assholish to the point it was less funny and more annoying. Like her obsession with magic and elements being dumb or her literally infecting aliens with a candy disease because she thought they were a potential threat. I'm not a PB is a evil sociopath type of guy but they did try to make her a strong girlboss and forgot to make her as compassionate. so her being so headstrong then being told to change and not immediately made her seem like a conscience less person that needed others to tard wrangle her.
>her literally infecting aliens with a candy disease because she thought they were a potential threat
that was unintentional and she stopped once she realized tree trunks wasn’t being a schizo granny
I thought she knew, but didn't want to stop because "muh candy kingdom" but if I'm wrong I'll take that one off her list.
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3:07-4:00
She was a non-believer
was treetrunks cucking her hubby? Also yeah I guess I miss remembered her being more aware but i guess you won't trust a random grandma. I just remembered her being told by tree trunk and being like lol nah.
Was she ever that virtuously heroic? She took down all the vamps in Ooo because it was the right thing to do and she was the only one around who could, but I wouldn’t say heroism is a way of life for her. I think she’s motivated primarily by getting attention/love, not being alone, and having fun. She sees humans with families and the part of her that knows/yearns for that is motivated to help them. A vamp dominated world would be devoid of love.
I was rewatching the Stakes finale last night and she was even gonna sit out on the VK fight because she was feeling in the dumps. She is one to let her emotions get in her way. So I can see if she’s wrapped up in resentment towards PB, it would have made her ignore other things.
A more bratty persona at this time would also make sense, as opposed to the lone early vampire hunter. This is a Marcy after years of rock fame, a princess gf, plentiful food and comfort, and living as a vampire.
Early season PB is also the way she is because she’s finally been living as a full fledged princess, her fantasy kingdom finally realized. She became absorbed in her dream, a frilly princess with loyal subjects and surrounded by sweetness. She embraced some ditziness and damselhood, because that’s what a princess is. But in-development CK PB was still hard focused on making that dream happen. All business, all being on the ball, all problem solving. Worker mode PB.
I say all this but I kind of just skimmed Obsidian myself, the artstyle threw me off and it looked disappointingly dull
>Was she ever that virtuously heroic?
Sure, during henchman and bad little boy. We usually do not see he in any high stakes situation other than in well 'Stakes' and maybe hunson stuff too. And more than that she was always adventurous, slaying a dragon with a lover by your side seems like something fun. And Marceline was all about fun (when she was written by competent people)
>Early season PB is also the way she is because
Early season PB is the way she is because she was a young, haughty genius princess later retconned into an ancient pragmatist and serious matriarch. Both of them are rather inconsistently written tho and any kind of serious analysis feels pretty much like a rationalization.
Obsidian was pretty clear that PB was an ass with a big ego.
But why would she go all the way in person to some random ass glass princess from some far away kingdom during her heydays while leaving her own domain unprotected just to kill some random dragon? There are other competent people in OOO, not just muh Bonnie.
If she was the one to save them then she gets asspats. The glass people even did just that by making Marceline basically a god in their lore.
Clearly PB is trying to gain diplomatic leverage by putting other kingdoms in her debt
Shrewd b***h, bet she uses her cute exterior to fool people too.
Big picture.
Isn't it obvious? PB is an extremely self-centered character, well-meaning, but she loves to make things about her, besides making friends with the Glass Kingdom, which just makes complete sense from a political standpoint, she also wanted to be seen as strong and competent, paint a picture of who the ruler of the Candy Kingdom is, and why they should be respected and admired.
I should put more empasis on BY HERSELF, because i can totally see her sending some champion to beat the crap out of larvo in her name. But sure we can say that her and Marceline are forever inseparable and they had to go there together even without Morrow and she didn't have anyone else at bay, let's say I buy it.
Good grief.
>at bay,
I meant on a standby
Looking at his design it's a bit strange how he turned out to be basically unrelated to golb.
Not really. For another point nothing in Lich's design ever hinted at Golb, and yet he's the last b***h I mean scholar of Golb
Well, there was no golb when Lich was designed and later turned into his rabid and now also apparently depressed fanboy.
>rabid and now also apparently depressed fanboy.
>Lich is cutting his wrists because Golb senpai wont answer him
>nothing comes out since his wrists were long rotted anyway
>Marceline is sweet
Her literal first episode was about her kicking Finn and Jake out of the tree house for the lols
lmao at both of you
have a nice day
I’m not sure how to feel about Scarab. He’s an anal retentive prick with a pick-me complex, but his workplace and coworkers suck.
I liked his ending with Prismo and hes hot
he’s hot with the mask on without it he’s a dweeb
He looks like a nerd without the mask but I think its endearing
I had a random theory about the winter king recently.
The ice king becomes the "Nice King" in the episode "loyalty to the king", but because he's insane can't keep up the persona as per the episode. However he then manages through shenanigans to reach Prismo making a wish to the effect
"Listen man when I was the Nice King the babes were all over me! Any princess I wanted baby! I wish that never ended!"
Then bam, a reality where he's able to maintain a degree of sanity as a nice king is created.
I solely base this theory of him not having facial hair and he wore a tie when the nice king.
That and the vampire AU stand out because of wishes creating alternate realities. Who wished for the ice king world or the vampire one?
remember not all alternate realities are wishes, some are but like the actual multiverse theory it's just a bunch of different choices and timelines.
Marceline wishes that Simon didn't go insane, then boom he died instead.
PB wishes that ice king stops kidnapping her. Gets monkey paw'd into vamp world.
Simon when he's not depressed and putting effort in looks like this.
>The question is who won't try to bang him
I hate Golbetty and I wish Simon put the crown on again out of spite. I hope she gets killed eventually.
Zased.
Season 6 had the worst plotline in the entire seris
what was s6 again?
Comet, finn's dad, arm loss etc
I'm assuming oorglaog as well, then yeah it was the more contrived season. But i did like tower but yeah most of finn's depression and inevitable rape was over kill. Also I remember someone saying breezy was the worst ep of the series. I don't know why mostly because i forgot it
I like Finn’s dad and the arm loss but the comet shit was definitely moronic
Lemongrab arc was kino though
>Fionna and Cake Season 2
>Fionna, Cake, Finn, and Simon go on wacky and fun adventures
>The end goal is to bring some form of the Ice King back into existance, because they miss him (PISS OFF THEY MISS HIM)
>They succeed
Tell me why it wouldn't work. Oh and maybe they try and convert Gibbon or something idk.
The writers hate fun and whimsy, so Ice King is dead forever.
why would Simon wanna do that, he hated the Ice King. and all Fionna knows about the IK is that he's what her friend Simon would turn into if he got cursed again and that he was an insane, pathetic looking loser.
only Finn would wanna do that but even then the Ice Thing exists and is apparently just Ice King so if Finn needed his IK fix that bad he could just hang out with that guy.
Fine.
Abracadaniel ropes everyone into doing it.
poor Abracadaniel, i can imagine him trying to do Ice King stuff with Simon and getting yelled at
as long as he brings his cute niece
Ice King is just a corrupt wish spell.
they already had a chance to address that in this season, but they didn't in favor of muh Betty
the biggest winner of the show was Prismo
>got away with his crimes
>got a janny for free
He really was
The fact that everyone is making it seem like Prismo is buttbuddies with Scarab and he's totally fine now after he was apparently depressed for years after Jake died is really funny and also makes him look like he got over Jake as soon as he had some other gay to hang out with.
more like Prismo understand Scarab pain now and feels guilty because he got punished because of his fanfic.
Bubblegum
When are we seeing finn and hjermaine adventures
Probably never, which sucks, cuz they would be based.
Anyone got that one image where is shows the results of saying “I love you” to different versions of PB?
Never saw anything like that but now I'm curious.
Found it after searching the archive.
bald green PB is so hot
what's the bottom left one? also in the end I feel PB would hate you as we've seen how she treats her suitors
What was missing.
Idk
Oh is that what was there lol i'm dumb, of course is she? she's had a few bfs in canon.
He has hate sex with it realizing how fricked up he's become because of PB, It was incredibly weird PB made a doll of her self just to be used by a guy.
Also so are you saying you could rizz up PB anon?
>Someone should use that for a nsfw concept, like PB swears it's not her but it's her doll kek.
>Also so are you saying you could rizz up PB anon?
Probably not, I can’t even play bass.
But she seems to react strongly when told she’s nice.
Add to her perfect princess fantasy while staying out of the knight zone… and she may just make a sex doll for you too
Ha, well that sounds good until you learn it was like that wjs07 comic with the sexbot.
Also I don't want a bot I want the real thing, I want to turn her into chewing gum bum dum tsk
Also the word “lesbo” is scratched out.
Not inaccurate.
Mostly with just ignorance. If you stay waiting outside her door for 80 years, that’s on you.
Making a robot sex doll of herself for that guy was pretty generous. I wonder how they’re doing now?
In the shower I had a new idea for a series about the elements, where in the multiverse there's a cosmic balance of the elements, meaning the amount of slime increasing in one universe increases, to some small degree, the amount of candy, fire, and ice in other universes to some small amount, that's just how it works, like gravity or whatever, that's how it will always play out, you can't freeze every universe, just won't happen, fate won't have that in the cards.
Essentially, this results in these 4 elementals all building 4 magic bombs at the same time across the multiverse, one's collecting various ice-crowns to power theirs, another has been collecting fire stuff, another has been collecting slime stuff, another has been collecting candy stuff, and their multiversal frickery and travels to build these bombs (which would turn the entire multiverse into their respective elements if not for the fact they are fated to either all go off at the same time or not at all, making them essentially pointless) intertwines various characters from across the multiverse into trying to stop the dawn of an inter-universal element war.
The elementals could be
>Ice Queen Marceline from a universe where she got the crown instead of Simon somehow, with moon imagery as a nod to the moon being an ice elemental in the comics.
>Peppermint Buttler Lich. There's totally a universe where the two would fuse or some shit into an evil candy demon. Come the frick on, it could happen.
>Flame Princess's mom from a universe where we actually see her ever.
>Blargetha, but from a world where Guillermo was real, and thus Blargetha became ruler of the Slime Kingdom.
Simon's made for Hunson
.....He updated the comic again next page is probably gonna be lewd
https://twitter.com/royaltyindig0/status/1708505464902992199
dear god it keeps getting worse
*better
Gayer
SIMON NO!
How does a 40+ year old man look like that?
>Vampire King didn't gain Wintergreen traits
That was lame.
Why wasn't he affected by the crown anyway? Is it ever stated that vampires/the undead are immune to it or something?
He's powerful i guess, or maybe he shapeshifted away the weird traits and went a bit insane anyway.
He seemed a little unhinged when he was threatening Cake, blue eyes and all. But maybe there’s something about his kingly quality
I don’t think he’s immune it’s just the crown worked more subtly on him since VK is uber busted.
tbtbh I would've preferred if winter king got control over the crown because that Simon was simply too morally fricked up to be affected(that would also explain why VK wasn't affected much either). He could still be the direct cause of PB going crazy but he should've done it intentionally for the lulz, not to transfer the madness.
Cool design, it's a shame. The crown's influence would also easily explain his decreased IQ.
How does scarab becoming a shadow janny work? Does he also have a sleeping old man projecting him or was he physically transformed into wallpaper?
I'm convinced the only reason they decided on the remaining in the human world ending was because the implications of Marshall returning to vampire form was just too awkward for them to handle
nah I think they really wanted to do their lame "real world good" moral
Is it a gay fanfic between him and Prismo?
yes
Scrabby is just tsundere and doesn't want anyone reading his cringe oc donut steel edgelord fanfics
if their's twink death, what do we call this? When a villian turns from a intimidating sexy man to the fandoms b***h?
No, actually its twink revival.
He was just a one-note bad guy until the final episode, now he can be shipped with Prismo and be made into an "uwu soft and cute" twink instead of a villain
Damn, also i liked him but yeah now he is just a edgy bottom
He's always been kinda uwu soft cute since not even his higher ups take him seriously
But I hope shippers don't woobify him much. He was a legitimate threat at points.
Scarab is hot as frick, I'm glad he's finally getting more art now. His mummy look was baller too.
Isn't weird how in the canon of AT cheers existed pre mushroom war.
Yeah, why Cheers specifically? Is it an easter egg I'm not getting?
>why Cheers specifically?
Simon wants to know his name as Simon, he wants to cling onto himself and his identity. In the world of Fionna and Cake, everyone knows Ice King/Simon, because the universe is in his head and shaped by his current identity.
The song also fits the shows themes of wanting a world where you fit in and are acceptable, but instead of having this bar that already exists, you need to make that world yourself, it can't just be handed to you.
Fionna and Cake wanna get away from their current world, to one where they're heroes.
Simon wants to get away from the world of the Ice King, to take a break from his history as the Ice King, but to do that he has to also move on from his history before that with Betty.
IMO it still seems kind of arbitrary for it to have been Cheers. You could've just as easily replaced with something like Full House and had Simon sing "Everywhere You Look" in that flashback episode
They should’ve transitioned from Cheers into the Frasier theme since the whole series theme is “moving on with your life”. Frasier does a better job with the whole “not clinging onto the past anymore” type of thing.
yeah.
cheers is all about clinging. it would have made sense if simon went back to being ice king. as is frasier makes more sense
Well it was in the marceline gets the flu ep, where we see Simon sing the cheers theme seeming to keep his sanity as he puts on the crown and fights the oozers.
In fionna and cake it was a recurring song so i don't know why it's there. It wasn't like simon was singing it constantly and it doesn't have much relevance to him.
Actually this is a interesting retrospective anon, but still Cheers is such a weird series to use lol
>it doesn't have much relevance to him.
In the little human exhibit he lives in, it's implied all he has to watch are old Cheers recordings. Fionna presumably watches it because she comes from his head.
hmmmm interesting I guess that makes sense still brings up why cheers though. Also I'm mad that the degenerate in me just thought about how he has a open house to let people watch him..
Why doesn't Finn just do this?
Is he stupid?
Is she the only flavor of gum? Where’s mint? Or cinnamon? Or even the tree sap that gum evolved from?
shouldn't PB be made younger by losing her arm
or did they totally forget that's how her aging works, apparently
When was this?
have you seen the muffin mess
Must be a short I never watched.
Bonnie is a special type of stupid. Someone needs to keep her out of the lab. Thanks btw.
found the prequel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4rUcOjQFCI
Muffin mess
PB's biology fascinates me to no end.
Is Jake dying suppose to be a metaphor for us leaving our childhood?
He's changed so much :'(
>left
SOVL
>right
SOVLLESS
Big Jowl Jake will always be superior.
Maybe but maybe not
Jake was the most mature/adult character in the show besides not being the best father at the start, but learned to be better with time.
Your childhood pet dying is often a sign that the innocent times are over
He got cuter tbh. Love the curl they added to his tail
The show ending is a metaphor for us leaving our childhoods (it's never gonna happen)
So are physical prismo and scarab sleeping in beds right now?
Next series is gonna be about them right?
Let's gope
*Hope
Ice President and Flynn should frick
very fitting design for teen jake
ICP the good ole dayss
Could they be friends?
Prob, but that specific Minerva is probably just the walking Fleshlight version and not the one that houses any personality
Did the main Minerva A.I. get moved to Ooo, right?
I feel like it would make sense for something to develop between them, they are both survivors of a world long gone, or at least you could put it that way if Minerva mentions Dr gross’s plague.
I can imagine this image being laughed off as a hoax by Simon-era humans or being used as shitty tabloid fodder
I loved Abe Lincoln, he was really cool and I’m sad he died, both irl and in the show.
Bro predicted the average 21st century US cinema experience
>Simon was laughing for hours when Marceline showed him this
>"What?"
>Simon was trying to say something but continues laughing
>"Let me guess, part of the Nightosphere is called Georgia, Atlanta?"
>"That's where my dad like-"
>Simon continues to laugh
I want that PB to step on my balls
Get the AT crew writing this AU. I need my 10 flavors of Bubbline.
We all thought it was the crown making Ice King a sexual predator, but really it was who Simon was all along.
Does anyone have more Astrid?
Young girls seem to gravitate towards Simon
How come no one has pointed out that Simon is canonically racist towards geese because he automatically assumes they're all like Choose Goose?
Because frick geese Simon is based and you should stfu.
He's respecting/avenging the Canadians
Choose Goose didn’t deserve it bros
because Simonsissies will never recover from this one
The goose won
I would have killed myself tbh
That line fricked me up good
lol
Have loregays acknowledged how Choose Goose is on the same tier as Finn and Simon in always reincarnating and existing in other universe?
What's his power? Can't wrap the goose in the noose?
I hope Hot Dog Knight #7 is safe.
I ate him…
>*BOOOOORRRRRPPP*
>*BEEEELLLLCCCHHHH*
Helper Finn AU
cool