>basically dead fiancee tells him he was actually inconsiderate and her "death" could've been avoided if they did what she wanted
Wouldn't this make Simon even more depressed?
Maybe, but when you're trying to summon cosmic chaos gods then you've probably reached a point where you need to get the frick over it. Simon needed to get the frick over it. Not saying he couldn't be sad about it, but holy shit was he dwelling.
>Maybe, but when you're trying to summon cosmic chaos gods then you've probably reached a point where you need to get the frick over it.
That’s literally what Betty did in the first place
And I think she's a fricktard for doing it too. Just because I think Simon is being a dumbass doesn't mean I think Betty is automatically a very smart person.
No, she literally said "I don't regret a thing". He could have chosen differently she could have chosen differently. Neither did. All she wanted him to do is respect her wish just this once - and that wish was for him not to be IK.
It's like this board is filled with braindamaged children.
>All she wanted him to do is respect her wish just this once - and that wish was for him not to be IK.
Oh frick off. Bullshit like that makes me wish he would’ve put the crown on again out of spite. Frick Golbetty, I hope that b***h gets killed by some future being.
>lives her entire life as the perfect partner >not just perfectly devoted >not just a complete babe >not just able to share his passions and enhance his vocation >asks for him not to mind frick himself for a 29yo burnout ho who isn't even a real person
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE frick that b***h
You're on Cinemaphile that's why, and honestly people just want to hear what they want to hear. If they want to think that Betty is a bad person then they will flame the hell out of anything that says otherwise.
You're on Cinemaphile that's why, and honestly people just want to hear what they want to hear. If they want to think that Betty is a bad person then they will flame the hell out of anything that says otherwise.
The ending sucks and you’re not smarter for “understanding” it.
@13:20 of episode 10 simon says he wont put on the crown because his life is just as important as FnC. He doesnt say jack about respecting Betty's wish just this once or whatever.
That's a him problem and has nothing to do with why Betty did what she did and what she wanted out of it, which is what he discussed.
Simon dragging himself out of depression and admitting that his life has equal value to literally fictional characters is just a sign of how badly he was down.
It's wild how stupid some are that this has to be explained. It's spelled out in the end for everyone. It worries me how stupid so much of the population is sometimes, I mean it's a cartoon how do you misinterpret a cartoon so badly.
>All she wanted him to do is respect her wish just this once - and that wish was for him not to be IK.
I genuinely despise everything in this sentence. “Oh Simon you never listened and I let myself get led because of MUH POWER DYNAMICS but it’s okay because I’m the bigger person I wouldn’t change a thing”. I hate that. I hate that so much. What is the point of telling him that he was moronic and didn’t listen if you were actually okay with that the whole time?
Because unlike most homosexuals in the series and the fandom, Simon is aware of the living hell that is being trapped under the crown spell, just constantly being on a semi conscious state, hearing voices, feeling how people beat you up yet una ble to do something, dreading every moment of your existence while attempting to use all of your brain power just to get your body back for a couple of minutes, all while time passes for centurys and everyone you knew and loved is long gone (with a few exceptions), and then when you are finally free, you learn of all the abhorrent and sick stuff your ice persona did, he just can't let someone else go trough that hell.
He is not semi conscious during any of his experience as ice king. That's his faulty memory of the experience. He is fully conscious as Ice King while he's Ice King. It's like when you have a hard time remembering things you did last week, doesn't mean you were less conscious during those times.
Didn't he said that it looks like its mind warped again in a illusion where he was back to being normal whe the crown lost its powers for the first time in the episode where everyone lost their magic, then remarked that maybe he was just normal again, it sounds like he was semiconcious the whole time, then when finn asks if he remembers the beatings, he just says that it still feels some brushes.
>remember the beatings
Sounds like a memory thing, that's what I was thinking of
I'll have to rewatch betty again I guess, maybe there is evidence of him having lapses of normality in his IK consciousness
Still, I know that "am I back to normal again or is this a new plateau of fricked" feeling
IIRC, Broke His Crown shows him literally trying to navigate a labyrinth in his mind.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I always thought that was one of those things that’s not really real and just a personified metaphor that only took shape when observed by external consciousnesses, but yeah no they had a village in there and everything it’s fricking stupid
Yes, Marceline. He will free of her from that candy dictator’s grasp and use her as a replacement for Betty, regardless of their father-daughter like bond.
If she had been five years older he would have been her "big strong hero" instead and he would have been able to have her on a platter a few years down the line
LEAKED S2E1 SCRIPT >Cake walks in
"YO dude I just pee pee'd on YO couch fool! and I TOOTED" >cut to the couch with a horrified face and then slow motion of Cake slowly landing her butt cheeks on the couch as it looks horrified
"AW YEAH, now that's a comfy spot for my boot-AYYY" >cut to Fionna
"Dude, no one wanna hear about your booty"
"Aw c'mon yo I'm just describing it to the audience" >cut to Marshall
"WAIT THE AUDIENCE?" >Marshall runs to the screen, says some fourth wall shit >Gumball enters through a door
"Forget it Marshall, no one will ever like us"
"NO, THAT'S NOT TRUE! L-LOOK AT MY UNDERWEAR" >It's the original Finn and Jake on them
"YOU LIKE US NOW RIGHT? RIGHT?" >Rebecca Sugar walks in
"Yare yare daze..."
"NO WAIT WAAAIT!!"
Gumball pulls him off screen by his tie >"Sorry about that guys"
>"New spell, waddya think?" >"Woaho, very nice. Look at that" >"Casted it yesterday. That's Ice. And the type is perma frost." >"That's very cool Ice King, but that's nothing. Look at this." >"That is really nice." >"Animation spell on an old TV. Waddya think?" >"...nice" >"Jesus, that is really super. How'd a nitwit like you get so magical?" >I can't believe that Grand Master Wizard prefers Life Giving Magus' spell to mine. >"But wait, you ain't seen nothing yet. Transformation spell, cat, tabby." >"Impressive, very nice... Let's see Abracadaniel's spell."
>Look at that rainbow colouring... the enchanting brightness of it. Oh my Glob, it even turns things pink.
Anon how would you feel losing your memory of everything and everyone you know and love? And ontop of that dealing with the crown voices and wizard vision(constantly seeing demonic looking creatures you can’t touch or get rid of).
If I was Fionna I would have secretly wanted the crown even more
If Simon could accept the madness then he'd be able to integrate beautifully into the world of Ooo and magic. But that's not "relatable" or has a "lesson". Aside from being able to accept change and roll with it.
So he's just gonna die in a couple decades, pretending he's not heartbroken over the woman who's gone so far beyond everything he has no hope of even seeing her in death. His body will be wasting away, his time over forever, even though he's not chained to the same meatgrinder we are. Because he couldn't stop being stuck in the past, normalcy, and our values. But at least he knows he's worthwhile. And that's all you should ever want... being good enough and not hating yourself and being ok with dying
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Different wheelhouses. Scarab jobbed Prismo and the Crown jobbed the Scarab. If the crown was in proximity to Prismo it would probably win. Prismo is a dimension editor/maker. The crown is just a font of overwhelming strength/energy. Potential energy is meaningless without direction and the principle holds that without proximity or a user who knows what they're doing they're not a threat to Prismo in the slightest.
Yeah but Golb is beyond Prismo and exists outside of the multiverse yet the Crown allows you to merge with Golb/effect golb
an user of the crown will wish to beat "prismo" wihtout any effect when the only way is to wake up the old man and even then Prismo already have too many options as back ups
Prismo see the wish fail and deletes the problem or even send a warrior like Finn to erase his ass
Prismo deleted the crown with photoshop
I bet the crown can't do shit to Prismo just like it cannot do shit to GOLB
Different wheelhouses. Scarab jobbed Prismo and the Crown jobbed the Scarab. If the crown was in proximity to Prismo it would probably win. Prismo is a dimension editor/maker. The crown is just a font of overwhelming strength/energy. Potential energy is meaningless without direction and the principle holds that without proximity or a user who knows what they're doing they're not a threat to Prismo in the slightest.
That's my thought
Especially since Finn seemed so stricken by Jay doing the Romeo shit. Makes me wonder if he had a similar situation.
It's probably just random color choice by the animators though, because the only way forward if that was true is for Jay to be from another mother. Genuine incest ain't a line they'd cross
And even if that was true, it would probably not even be relevant, so it could just be a sneaky thing from a boarder who wants to give possibility to some old school ship >kid that looks like Stormo which was a finnbaby created by PB >daughter named Bonnie - how did he get attached to that name? Is it really just a coincidence? >Marceline is an old crone >if PB had a human incarnation in Farmworld, she would probably still be motivated by the desire to create life >probably still dutiful royalty (FWFinn does not want to be in the spotlight, the public fears him and he fears himself as well), and probably still gay, which is why it didn't ultimately work out >maybe died too idk
I don't think the mother gum would exist without the bomb going off, so she's up for humanifying like other candy people
Unless the original PB was a human in that factory where the gum was formed.. a baked goods entrepreneur meeting with scientists hoping to create a supersweet that could nourish the war-torn world?
>and fricked
I don't even think that's possible with the thing (that she created) that she was larping to be her boyfriend.
It was clearly just a deranged salty response to finding out Marcy was with Ash. >LOOK I MOVED ON TOO AND I'M SOOO INTO BOYS AND SO DESIRED BY THEM SMOOCH SMOOCH >SPREAD THE WORD CITIZENS, PRINCESS B IS GETTING CREAMED BY THE PUFF, SPREAD IT FAR >LOOK AT ALL THESE SUITORS THAT I'LL NEVER GIVE THE TIME OF DAY, MY ROMANTIC LIFE IS OVERFLOWING >I'LL NEVER WANT SOME PUNK ASS NEEDY EMO HOT b***h AGAIN
She dated at least a couple candy guys, and her willingness to be with finn at first (and the strong implication that she and Marcy were willing to frick him as an adult in the comics) say otherwise
That's my thought
Especially since Finn seemed so stricken by Jay doing the Romeo shit. Makes me wonder if he had a similar situation.
It's probably just random color choice by the animators though, because the only way forward if that was true is for Jay to be from another mother. Genuine incest ain't a line they'd cross
And even if that was true, it would probably not even be relevant, so it could just be a sneaky thing from a boarder who wants to give possibility to some old school ship >kid that looks like Stormo which was a finnbaby created by PB >daughter named Bonnie - how did he get attached to that name? Is it really just a coincidence? >Marceline is an old crone >if PB had a human incarnation in Farmworld, she would probably still be motivated by the desire to create life >probably still dutiful royalty (FWFinn does not want to be in the spotlight, the public fears him and he fears himself as well), and probably still gay, which is why it didn't ultimately work out >maybe died too idk
I don't think the mother gum would exist without the bomb going off, so she's up for humanifying like other candy people
Unless the original PB was a human in that factory where the gum was formed.. a baked goods entrepreneur meeting with scientists hoping to create a supersweet that could nourish the war-torn world?
If Farmworld HW was related to Big D, the Jay Mertins and Little D romance would be incest
>In retrospect, there were smarter ways he could have gone about it. For example he could have just had them kicked out. After all, Merry Mat and his club were part of his jurisdiction as the president's representative. >Breaking the guy's nose into the table and causing a fight that made national news ,however, was not one of them. He could already see the smear campaigns rolling in. >Was it worth it? Was damaging ,not just the president's reputation but also bringing more attention to Nightosphere's connections with the office worth it? And all for what, because he felt.... >What **did** he feel? Anger? Certainly not, he wouldn't let something as simple as anger lead him to doing something this stupid. Was it hate? No, why would he hate a lowlife like him anyways? What did a pathetic spec like him do to deserve **his** ha- >Flynn's thought process was broken by the sudden absence of the feeling of rain on his body, courtesy of his companion's flattened body hovering over his lying body. >"Hey boss." Jacques greeted, face equally bruised and wounded. "One hell of a night huh?" >"I thought I told you to not follow me." >"After tonight, I'm sticking to you like no one's business." >"I don't need your protection, thank you very much." The young man rolls over the wet grass, wincing in pain from his own wounds. "Besides what happened back there was a lapse in judgement, a PR nightmare that I have to fix if we want to keep our lead in popularity." >"If you don't mind me asking, boss, why **did** you start the fight? Don't get me wrong, I'm always down for a tussle and Demon's Innards always has it's fair share of brawls but Dusty? That bloke's a two tongued snake who spends his days pinching pennies off dimwits." >The raccoon's question is only met with silence as the young man simply ignores him as usual.
>Understanding the situation, Jacques simply lowers himself down to cover his companion's wet body to keep the young man warm. >"I let my emotions get the better of me back there Jacq." Flynn quietly begins after a while. "I couldn't just sit there and listen to him talk about her like she is just a means to an end for him. Every word that came out of his vile mouth just kept echoing in my head until I was standing over him, and the only thing I wanted was for his voice to choke in his throat" >He goes quiet for a while, Jacques patiently waiting for him to continue. >"Next thing I know, his group has me surrounded and if you weren't around I'd probably be in a worse shape than now." >"I was just doing my job bos-" The raccoon starts but is stopped as Flynn continues. >"I don't know why I did what I did but I know that back there, I was defenseless without you and the thought of being weak shakes me to my core." The boy's voice trembles with emotions. "I want to become stronger, I **need** to become stronger so that this will never happen again." >"Boss, I want you to know that no matter what happens I'm going to have your back through and through. I'll handle any lowlife thug or high class snob that decides to even look at you wrong and that's not going to change anytime soon." Jacques begins after a while, clearly thinking his words through. "That said, if you're serious about this getting stronger business I know someone who can help you out. I've known her since I was a kit and if anyone can teach you , it's her." >"Good. Let's meet her after the elections, I rather not have to worry about the old man during it." Flynn responds with his usual tone of voice, having composed himself past his moment of vulnerability.
Pretty nice that someone decided to expand on the Flynn and Jacque world
What are you using as inspiration for the names/culture? I had an impression they were supposed to be British but I see you're using explicitly Slavic names as well
Also who's Dusty? Ash?
Names aren't really my strong suit so I've been mostly going of the first name that comes to my mind really, Misha being the first feminine name that sort of sounds like Marshall for example.
Dusty is meant to be Ash yeah because ash and dust. A moronic name for a moronic guy kek.
>That's stupid reasoning when you remember how these universes are created
The frick are you talking about? That makes perfect sense even including how the universes are created
That's it
There's some follow up of a security guard and femsun watching a security tape of this, but otherwise this is the big 100k chicken dinner winner
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Thanks for sharing. Yeah this is really tame. Interesting historical piece though and maybe a decent bartering chip for CEO negotiations given it was posted on Musk’s Twitter but still blew up.
the constant b***hing about twitter in the news is just proof it’s still relevant. popular fandom stuff not uncommonly gets numbers like that (but not super often our brand of autistic fandom stuff, it’s usually movies or anime. but we still regularly get in the range of 20-50k likes) and normalgay stuff still often goes up to millions. cesspool as it is, it’s the public’s internet
That's it
There's some follow up of a security guard and femsun watching a security tape of this, but otherwise this is the big 100k chicken dinner winner
Thanks for sharing. Yeah this is really tame. Interesting historical piece though and maybe a decent bartering chip for CEO negotiations given it was posted on Musk’s Twitter but still blew up.
You know, there is surprisingly way less explicit content of them than I expected. I guess the wholesome safe nature of their relationship doesn't really lend itself to that sort of stuff
I believe if they wanted to show he truly moved on, he would find someone else. It's the best way to show his character development in F&C by showing him fully able to enjoy life again with new people.
And since the writers seem to be horrified of doing anything with him and Marceline (I have no idea why it's literally the most requested thing in AT they haven't adressed yet) him making new connections would be great.
Golb is a Lich countermeasure that the Boss either created or repurposed to keep the more successful Liches from universe-hopping and wiping out existence
Time to go full autist mode. It takes about a month to finish storyboarding an episode. Jesse posted this on 26 Nov 2010, while he was working on Wizard Battle, his third storyboard of the season. At minimum subtract two months from this and he was working on season 3 from late september. Most probably production started at least a couple weeks earlier than this. Jury's still out on exactly when, but it was definitely much before Deadline announced it. I'm no expert on how cartoon tv productions work, but it makes sense to me to renew before the previous season ends so you can keep the ball rolling and not have all your writers/boarders/production crew sitting on their asses.
I do find this production stuff interesting. In that interview a few weeks ago Muto
mentioned that they were still finishing post-production on F&C, which was not very different from how things would go with the original show
>It takes about a month to finish storyboarding an episode >his third storyboard of the season. >At minimum subtract two months from this and he was working on season 3 from late september. >Most probably production started at least a couple weeks earlier than this.
All unsubstantiated claims
>it makes sense to me to renew before the previous season ends so you can keep the ball rolling and not have all your writers/boarders/production crew sitting on their asses.
The argument was about writing, and according to sources the writing for S2 was finished (in August) before the show was renewed for S3 (in late September according to your most optimistic claims), meaning that Mortal Recoil could've served as a potential series finale if the show wasn't renewed
>All unsubstantiated claims
They're not. Kent Osborne described the episode-making process here: https://web.archive.org/web/20160304001731/http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/12/19/this-is-how-an-episode-of-cartoon-network-s-adventure-time-is-made.html
It's his third storyboard going by production code, also PB is old again in wizard battle, so obviously after Too Young.
Late September is actually pessimistic. Depending on when he started boarding wizard battle, it could've been early september. Then even earlier than that for the writing team to start planning the season. You're right that Mortal Recoil *could've* been written to serve as a series finale, but I've seen no evidence to prove that either way.
>but I've seen no evidence to prove that either way.
Other than the fact the show was renewed *after* the writing for S2 was finished, meaning S2 wasn't written with S3 in mind.
It certainly wasn't a case of them writing *S4* while S2 was still airing, because they knew in advance they had another two seasons (pic related), meaning S3 was likely written with S4 in mind. Pen even had to clear up the fact Mortal Recoil wasn't the series finale (also pic related).
>Other than the fact the show was renewed *after* the writing for S2 was finished
I literally just proved to you that AT was renewed well before Deadline announced it. We don't know exactly when it was renewed for season 3. I can't say definitively, but I find it very feasible that season 3 was picked up before the writing for season 2 finished in the interest of seamlessly continuing production. It makes a lot more sense to me to renew a show a few weeks before the writers finish than a few weeks after. Otherwise you're paying people to do nothing.
You're right that the show *could've* been renewed before Mortal Recoil was written to serve as an S3 cliffhanger, but I've seen no evidence to prove that either way.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah man, it's all just speculation. If Muto ever does an AMA again someone should ask him, if he can even remember.
>Since its first episode in 2010, with the exception of June 2011 and March 2012, there has been at least one episode of Adventure Time on Cartoon Network every month.
take me back
Stop acting dumb anon, no one's saying Becky held supreme executive power over every character and episode and forced everything to be refocused into Bubbline, she just knew exactly what she was doing when she suggested PB and Marcy were exes and how that would affect the show going forward given the state of tumblr and storyboarder stock and LGBT "wars" being fought at the time.
It's really no different than if I were working on a show today and suggested an existing white character in production or source material be voiced by a non-white voice actor, I'd be doing that fully aware there's a large fricking chance of that character being pushed to be changed to match the VA's race by the crew, and that change persisting in the future. I can still deny I didn't *personally* change the character's race, but I knew what I was doing when I suggested it and the effects it would have in the future of that character.
Why couldn’t they just be insane and happy together. Betty would’ve gone mad enough to be content. And maybe Simon would’ve gotten less mad over time. They could’ve been magic immortal weirdos together…
I just wanted to see 5 minutes of Finona's normalgay powers interact with the Ice Crown to allow Simon to become Ice Emperor for 5 minutes and achieve his temporary apotheosis of both himself and his ice king self before finally retiring for good
Ice king mellowed the frick out since his early appearances on the show, it would've been interesting to see how he would've developed over the years, probably an ice prince variant from Fionna dream
Are the other elemental princesses immortal?
I know we saw SP in the dead pits but it's no surprise that messy b***h would get herself splatted somehow
I wish King Man was in this series. It’s very bizarre to me that he wasn’t, especially considering they had Tom Kenny right there. Honestly though, I doubt we’ll see him again in the future, but I’d be happy to be wrong.
Man Hynden Walch knocked it out the park with CQ and Boss Bonnie
I bet Olivia had fun doing maniacal villainess laughter instead of the usual mellow fare as well
She's so good. I can't imagine anyone else capturing all aspects of PB so well. The voice acting in general was great. I wasn't the biggest fan of Scarab's voice though. A little bit stereotypical, moustache twirling villain vibes. I would've liked a more 'normal' voice.
He should learn ice magic and get a job at Wiz-Arts
Didn't Finn and Jake learn Ice Ninjutsu from Ice King's lair? He can just use that to get his powers back. I imagine he'd relearn this stuff so he redeem himself into a 'real' hero.
I have a rough idea what what he'd be like (don't know what to call this 'AU' or whatever you wanna call it. Sub-zero Simon?)
>Didn't Finn and Jake learn Ice Ninjutsu from Ice King's lair?
Just like they became wizards in that one early episodes, the rules of magic changed, fool.
At this stage, we can just pull any other reason out of our asses for it to work.
Does the show itself even care about it's rules?
>Simon, Ice Ninja
I like this
Keep in mind he's an old man, so he'd be putting himself through physical hell to keep up with training. He's prior knowledge is the only thing keeping him from crippling himself.
>he'd be putting himself through physical hell to keep up with training
The image of an alternate Simon who was a weeb gym guy doing American Ninja Warrior-ass training while also looking for antiquities is extremely funny to me, Ice King being ripped because this version of Simon was obsessed with being able to do ninja shit and now he's an ice ninja? That's actually pretty fricking sick AND also a very funny premise
Yeah actually it would be pretty cool to see a Simon, even just in a short story or whatever, who was more of a weeb when he was young and so was way into that kind of stuff when he went as an antiquarian to go get the crown, and so as Ice King was more into the Ice-Ninjutsu stuff? It would be neat if that particular detour on his ice magic journey might have given him the capacity to do something like Winter King did, maybe channeling the madness into some kind of cursed ice blade or something, some other simon with a believable alternate past that alters the way the Wishing Crown's magic manifested. Like how Ice King was only obsessed with princesses because of Betty.
For an alternate Simon:
I like the idea of him channeling the madness in a certain way, like captain Ahab from Moby Dick.
'My malady becomes my most desired health' or whatever the quote is. He's using his sickness AS his weapon.
>he'd be putting himself through physical hell to keep up with training
The image of an alternate Simon who was a weeb gym guy doing American Ninja Warrior-ass training while also looking for antiquities is extremely funny to me, Ice King being ripped because this version of Simon was obsessed with being able to do ninja shit and now he's an ice ninja? That's actually pretty fricking sick AND also a very funny premise
I hope to Golb I get the time and energy to add to this premise, with my luck it's hard to tell.
I'm cool with Prime Simon becoming an ice ninja too because that poor fricker needs to into 'adventure mode'
>He's using his sickness AS his weapon >His manifestation of the ice magic includes being able to afflict people with ice madness the way the lich does that "fall" thing
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Trying to pound some of fart in weed attire >He thinks he's Master Oogway in this b***h >He signs with his hands as the world is engulfed in snow before going dark >'Do you feel the cold? I feel the cold' >You feel ice creeping up your legs
8 months ago
Anonymous
I swear to god I thought you were a chatbot from that first line but then I realized you meant "try to pound some old fart in weeb attire", I was sitting there staring at the words trying to understand but I guess that's just the power of autocorrect, it's such a b***h sometimes
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah sorry, in bed right now getting my thoughts out where they won't be forgotten.
I know I can get this AU or prompt to work better if I just chart it all out later.
8 months ago
Anonymous
It would be pretty rad for him to open his mouth and have ice-cold death breath wafting out like dry ice fog
8 months ago
Anonymous
>'How it feels to chew 'Fivegum(tm)'' >'Stimulate your senses'
I don't understand why people keep talking about >writers
in this thread. It's well known they make this shit up as they go along. There's no real lore. Stuff just HAPPENS in adventure time, Fiona and cake is ironically the most coherent story they've ever told.
Shermy is a moron and Simon was acting like a moron in a different way, from her point of view.
Of the two of them I think Shermy is way more likely to verge on being annoying, we didn't see much of him this time but he's like season 1 Finn if they made him 5 times more spastic. I like Beth fine in comparison.
She's into trashy romance!
That's a compelling character flaw!
Even though most women who would identify with her probably wouldn't even consider that a flaw...
Wait, why was Huntress Wizard a human in Vampire World, anyway? Nothing changed except Simon biting it early. Does this this mean HW was originally human in Ooo too, and something happened to prevent her from becoming a wizard in the other universe? Seems like a backstory worth exploring.
It's not explained so maybe? Maybe not?
We've seen human versions of fantasy characters in Farmworld (like Bobby, Choose Bruce), so maybe some "souls" can manifest under different forms in different worlds.
Or maybe she really was a human and something in Vampworld prevented her from becoming a wizard, I don't think there's enough evidence to say anything for sure either way.
I think the writers were just lazy and/or dumb.
Like, the b***h is literally made out of trees I don't see how becoming a wizard would have changed her from human to that. It makes much more sense she was a wood nymph or some other kind of forest creature or something vs originally being a human.
And wouldn't that mean she would need to be like 1000 years old? There's not really any other way she could originally have been a human when 99.9999999999999% died in the war right?
>Like, the b***h is literally made out of trees
She's a hybrid, and uses magic to transform into a tree, she seems to be mostly fleshy, with tree stuff coming out of her. >I don't see how becoming a wizard would have changed her from human to that.
Really? We know from Ice King and many other examples that magic can severely change someone's physiology, both temporarily and permanently, I don't think it's that out there. >There's not really any other way she could originally have been a human when 99.9999999999999% died in the war right?
There were a bunch of islands that survived my dude, I'd even argue characters like Marcy who used to be half-human and Simon who also used to be human survived, there were survivors, Finn is another example.
The Islands humans are part of the .0000000000000001% that survived. Do you really think there were like a million of them or something? In comparison to all of humanity it's not a lot.
HW does literally have tree parts though, she has leaf hair and antlers. She is mostly humanoid but that's still different from human.
And there are some examples of people we see becoming a wizard vs what they were like before. Look at Betty, she was a normal human who became a wizard and then looked like....... a crazy normal human in a hat. Ice King's situation is different in that he was cursed which is responsible for the vast majority of changes he went through.
Like look at the average random wizard in Ooo, what do you think they were before they became magic? Humans? It seems like the simple answer is they were mostly the same but couldn't do magic.
>The Islands humans are part of the .0000000000000001% that survived. Do you really think there were like a million of them or something? In comparison to all of humanity it's not a lot.
Nah, but there were still a fair amount, I don't think it's too out of the real of possibility that some hiders somehow managed to escape without anyone knowing, the seekers were there for a reason after all. >HW does literally have tree parts though, she has leaf hair and antlers. She is mostly humanoid but that's still different from human.
No one is saying that HW IS a human, she most definitely isn't.
This is about the theory that she might've been a human at some point before becoming whatever she is now. >Look at Betty, she was a normal human who became a wizard and then looked like....... a crazy normal human in a hat.
Betty is an exception, not a rule, every other wizard looks weird and wacky, and besides, magic can do literally anything, maybe it changes nothing, maybe it changes a lot, there's no set pattern to this.
Also, "wizards" are considered their own species in Ooo, that's why Simon wasn't considered a blue human as Ice King, so maybe Betty did change somewhere, we just can't know for sure. >Like look at the average random wizard in Ooo, what do you think they were before they became magic? Humans?
This isn't about them, this is about the fact that HW was a human in the Vampworld, which is specifically an alternate timeline where Simon died, implying maybe something happened that didn't let her become a wizard like in the main timeline.
Like I said before
It's not explained so maybe? Maybe not?
We've seen human versions of fantasy characters in Farmworld (like Bobby, Choose Bruce), so maybe some "souls" can manifest under different forms in different worlds.
Or maybe she really was a human and something in Vampworld prevented her from becoming a wizard, I don't think there's enough evidence to say anything for sure either way.
, fantasy characters can be humans in alternate worlds, so I don't think this theory is 100% true, but I also don't think it's impossible.
A lot of people are saying that Marceline and Finn should've played a much bigger role in F&C, but despite all the show's flaws I think keeping them away from the action was a good call. Simon needs to go on an adventure of his own to find himself away from his friends and family, and if he needs companions then Fionna and Cake are the perfect choice since he literally created them* and helping them with their own problems would in turn help Simon come to terms with everything he did as Ice King and put that ghost to rest. But Marcy and Finn definitely should've appeared in the finale, if only to see how much Simon's grown since they last saw him.
*Yes I know about the Prismo beam but that whole retcon is stupid and unnecessary so I'm ignoring it
I wanted more Finn because he was cool but you're right that it wouldn't really work for this story. He and Marceline really should have been in the ending though.
This show was full of fan service but then didn't give us something as simple as the main cast chilling in a 2 second long clip in a montage. Actually when you think about it the main cast hasn't all been together since the original show finale. I guess you can count the end of Obsidian, though missing Jake and BMO.
>helping them with their own problems would in turn help Simon come to terms with everything he did as Ice King and put that ghost to rest.
Yeah, but the problem is at the end they just lazer-focused on his relationship with Betty instead of addressing all that stuff
I think the second episode made a good point as to why Finn should not have come with him in the state he's in right now. However, I can't say the same about Marceline. >Simon needs to go on an adventure of his own to find himself away from his friends and family,
But he didn't. The lesson he learns at the end of the show is that his life has worth and Betty would not want him to throw it all away. He never finds out what he is as his own person or his role in the current state of OOO. If he does learn that then he does so in the ending montage, and that's not really satisfying when he could have learned that in the course of the series.
The fact we got a Marceline movie and a Simon TV Show, and neither of them did anything with both of them together is ridiculous. Other creators would kill to have that amount of money and screentime for characters they weren't able to develop properly.
It's surprisingly hard to find a good Adventure Time fic that actually captures the spirit and tone of the show well, they either veer off into being too serious and melodramatic or feel like they were written by an ESL.
Alright anons, place your bets. Who's gonna get the spotlight in the next AT thing?
>Fionna and Cake season 2 >Flame Princess Spinoff >Shermy and Beth >Total reboot - Adventure Time Go! >Jermaine + Bryce sitcom >King of Ooo TV movie >Huntress Wizard miniseries >King Man martian political drama >Cooking with Susan Strong
>King Man martian political drama
That would be kino but unlikely >Total reboot - Adventure Time Go!
In the style of Water Park Prank so that people learn to love the previous style of the show when they understand what they've lost
AU where Simon never got cured but Betty was alive. I just really wanna see what would happen even if it's still tragic.
Frick Patience for ruining everything man.
>Fionna and Cake season 2
It's done >Flame Princess Spinoff
Nah >Shermy and Beth
Probably, but I don't want them to. They work better as a duo having adventures off-screen and we can only infer what their story is. >Total reboot - Adventure Time Go!
Hell no >Jermaine + Bryce sitcom
Nah >King of Ooo TV movie
We already got the BMO special and the old king of OOO is a chump >Huntress Wizard miniseries
Let's go for it >King Man martian political drama
Sounds lame >Cooking with Susan Strong
Sounds super lame.
Really I expect the "dark medieval fantasy drama" that Scarab said at the end of the show to be the next thing if we ever get one. Grimdark Adventure Time but it's shown at the end of episode 1 that it's all an AU created by Prismo and Scarab to have fun. And then shenanigans ensue and classic AT characters have to teach this new world to chill out.
The reason there was stuff like PPG, Thundercats, and Ben 10 reboot in the style of TTGO is because CN was trying something at the time, but they've given up since then. All those other TTGO copycat shows are dead and none of the new shows are trying to copy that style, not even the other reboots and revivals. Tiny Toons Looniversity does not have the same art style or tone as TTGO for example. So a reboot of that style is never happening, but I wouldn't put it past them to do another reboot in the distant future.
No bubbline. I'd make other characters to be gay, but not them.
I'd make PB a teenager only about 3 years older than Finn, would keep everything the same otherwise.
I don’t know about changing a lot personally but I’d probably give the writers a heads up they’re only gonna get 10 seasons so the ending isn’t so rushed
PB and Marcy should've had an on-off relationship throughout the series in which you could figure out from context cues. One ep they're catty towards eachother, another ep they're suddenly close and flirty, then they're distanced and dating other people, then they're back together, etc...
It'd be a thing that's in the background usually
Sometimes you'll see PB at Marcy's house in pjs or Marcy coming out of PB's room
All while no one questions it
Maybe one or two episodes where they get into their relationship dynamic
Don't make Finn and FP break up in the most moronic way. If they have to break up, make it mutual where they discuss their feelings and realize the relationship isn't working out. Maybe Finn can be a bummed out but don't make him an OOC manchild that needs to "learn a lesson" or something.
Don't make Finn regrow his arm in Breezy, or at the very least make his grass-arm look obvious enough that you know it's a fake arm. Cut out all LSP scenes in that ep.
Make Orgalorg a bigger threat and actually interesting.
Let Marceline do more fun/shady stuff in later seasons that's not tied to her backstory.
Get Finn a new friend group if he's gonna be distanced from PB and Marcy.
Either commit to PB being a fricked up dictator or don't at all.
More scenes with IK bonding with other people
Make all the plot important eps 2-parters, a lot of them are rushed as frick
That's all I can think of at the top of my head. Generally, my gripes with this series all come down to poor execution of ideas more than those ideas themselves.
>Either commit to PB being a fricked up dictator or don't at all.
I actually think they found a good middleground, showing her controlling nature to be a character flaw rather than something that defines her. If they turned it up they'd have to commit to giving her some shitty Steven Universe redemption arc, what they did was among the best choices they could have made.
How would you have improved Adventure Time without changing much of the plot?
I want more wizard stuff, the PepBut episode in Distant Lands was kino. I don't think the hand stuff mattered as much as people said it did. Cut the Elementals stuff completely, not necessarily the lore but the actual arc. This would give the show time to create more one off stuff and have the greater storylines not feel so bloated and unwelcome. Lean into the horror aspects of the show more, maybe have more scholars of Golb since the Lich was obviously the best villain in the series. Maybe make Huntress Wizard's introduction as an important character and her relationship with Finn occur earlier. Change everything they do to Flame Princess as a character after The Red Throne, I don't know what they should do with her just not what they did. Honestly if they do anything different with the hand business, I would prefer they also not give Finn a new sword, make him explore some other method of combat. Maybe introduce him to some kind of magic or something, and that's where they fit in Huntress Wizard. I'm not saying change his character by giving him an interest in complicated magic or something, make it like bodybuilding magic or something stupid like that. I think Joshua had some untapped potential or cool writing.
Well, first of all NuPep is a completely different character, he's not just PepBut but younger or PepBut but dumb, he's a completely new guy that replaced the old one, while classic PepBut is a weirdly impulsive and evil ghost, to the point that he makes NuPep do irrational things.
They also portray the old PepBut like he was 100% evil and it's good for NuPep to NOT be like him, when PepBut was a much more neutral and complex character than just "drink the evil juice and become a raging demon".
I can only hope he turns into Classic PepBut quickly, at least we know that's already the case by the time Finn and Jake are dead.
PepBut was my main complaint, everything else was fine at best I guess, Cadebra was mostly okay, but the fact that PepBut doesn't act like PepBut really sours the whole thing for me.
Don't make Finn and FP break up in the most moronic way. If they have to break up, make it mutual where they discuss their feelings and realize the relationship isn't working out. Maybe Finn can be a bummed out but don't make him an OOC manchild that needs to "learn a lesson" or something.
Don't make Finn regrow his arm in Breezy, or at the very least make his grass-arm look obvious enough that you know it's a fake arm. Cut out all LSP scenes in that ep.
Make Orgalorg a bigger threat and actually interesting.
Let Marceline do more fun/shady stuff in later seasons that's not tied to her backstory.
Get Finn a new friend group if he's gonna be distanced from PB and Marcy.
Either commit to PB being a fricked up dictator or don't at all.
More scenes with IK bonding with other people
Make all the plot important eps 2-parters, a lot of them are rushed as frick
That's all I can think of at the top of my head. Generally, my gripes with this series all come down to poor execution of ideas more than those ideas themselves.
>Get Finn a new friend group if he's gonna be distanced from PB and Marcy.
Make an episode where Ice King begs Finn to teach him how to be a cool adventurer like him, or one where Finn hangs out with him and all his loser Wizard friends.
Full on grass arm is also a pretty good idea, could have it show signs of Fern stuff early, like having the grass octopus try (and fail) to control Finn
Better writing and better plot progression 🙂 Also Fern gets to live
Also don't douse PepBut in the dum dum juice, and I always kinda liked the idea of Uncle Gumbald, Aunt Lolly, and Cousin Chicle all surviving as themselves rather than just Aunt Lolly, so do that too.
Make Finn x PB canon. Make PB x Yoko a thing too to make Finn x PB even more canon. And make PB attracted to the age difference aspect of their relationship
>And make PB attracted to the age difference aspect of their relationship >"It sucks you grew up without a mom Finn. Can you pull your foreskin back yet haha?"
It's Finn's Sacrifice at the end of the series, not Betty's. Finn is the hero, and a cosmic entity to boot, it was his responsibility to stop Golb not some random from a thousand years ago displaced through time.
His life, man. Finn is a COMET, literally have Golb's magic work against himself. Finn takes the crown, and with his combined cosmic power unlocked by reverting to his comet form, and the magic wish granting crown, he wishes for Golb to forget about Ooo and never return. In doing so, Golb leaves, but takes Finn with him. Leaving behind the crown, because it's indigestible or something. Finn gets digested by Golb, and saves Ooo forever.
I don’t think it would have satisfied anybody for him to die already. Unless you wrote the preceding seasons to build up to it/develop and close his arcs satisfyingly
Everytime someone mentions patience the character i think of the word and can you blame me? She s an extreeeeemely forgettable antagonist that just fricking gives up and doesn't do jack shit after having the elemnts unleashed
A majority of the problems of this show mainly come from the lack of proper interaction between the leading cast members, especially as the size of the cast grew while at the same time the showrunners gradually narrowed their scope of who they wanted to explore. For example, they supposedly ran out of ideas between Finn and Marceline, even though that speaks more to the boarders' lack of imagination or shifting priorities than their dynamic being that shallow. Just by giving more time to the dynamics that work, as well as exploring more wacky sounding combinations (PB and LSP, Jake and Ice King, Flame Princess with fricking anyone other than just Finn, likewise with Huntress Wizard, etc.), improvements can almost write themselves.
I feel like a lot of plot beats and details as they stand can work with some tweaking, though some should be dropped entirely. The whole deal with PB's relatives would've felt a lot more pressing if she was actually her originally depicted age, and her family was actual family and not just constructs she made when she was lonely. I also think such a plot should've happened much earlier as well. I ain't a big fan of how Finn's arm played out, either that should've been entirely cut, completely committed to, or at least have a less dumb reason to restore it after having more time without it (considering there's probably a bazillion different ways to recover it in the setting, pick one that has proper emotional weight). Marceline shouldn't go back to being a vampire after Stakes. I could go on.
Stuff like that doesn't need much fundamental changes. All of Finn's notable pairings and/or Bubbline equally can and cannot work according to the early show's depiction of the cast, it just depends on the direction of the show. Though honestly it's easier to make a game where any route is viable.
And for the love of god, make the Lich the overarching villain. Have Finn kill him at the end. It's not that hard.
>And for the love of god, make the Lich the overarching villain. Have Finn kill him at the end. It's not that hard.
Maybe they could have had their final confrontation be a little bit later but imo the only reason you think he should be the final villain is because he was the best one. They just have to make better villains. The Stakes guys weren't half bad, the biggest problem with the later villains is they felt like one off story villains stretched out to season long villains.
>Marceline shouldn't go back to being a vampire after Stakes.
This is one of the things people sometimes complain about that I don't get at all.
Why? Not being a vampire just makes Marceline less interesting. Sure the ending of Stakes with her just coming full circle was status quo (it was dumb to me how the cloud just bites her right at the last second) but I don't think the good solution is to instead change shit that just makes the characters less cool and more boring.
My idea for it was that Finn would kill the cloud (I was thinking by recklessly throwing his sword at Marceline's side to sever it), perhaps with him having the clairvoyance that Marceline would still live a long time or even still be immortal, just aging like in Farmworld. It'd open up more opportunities to connect with the crew, where she and them can go out and try all the food she wasn't able to eat since she couldn't have any of it properly when she was a vampire. Go out sunbathing. Maybe being ageless from being a vampire prevented her from maturing beyond a teenager and it'd give her better means to develop properly.
She's still a rocker, she's still a half-demon with all the crazy powers she reabsorbed, and she can still be her punk self. I think there isn't much wrong with trading one of her dozen unique traits for character development.
She shouldn't have gone back to being a vampire because the vampirism was well situated to be a representation of stangation and alienation and eternal immaturity. Her emotional breakthroughs during all that would have hit a lot better if she had been mortal and now choosing to be able to age and grow and develop as a person instead of being stuck as a 19-year-old angsty goth for all eternity. Going back to being a vampire kind of steps back on that character growth in a major way, like if Fionna and Cake HAD ended with Simon becoming the Ice King again
The deities of suspension should stay that way instead if letting go into dead end mortality
Also I don’t see why she can’t grow and develop when she has all the time in the world to. Do we need the threat of a timer and our bodies decay to force growth?
On a metaphorical level, eternal youth is eternal *youth* and that means not maturing. Sure, if it were REAL then yeah, she'd have all the time in the world to grow and change, but her being a vampire is textual metaphoricalism for her being "stuck in the past" and "refusing to grow up".
I'm actually wondering about this a lot. How much of their city was real? How much of it is real now? How did they have moguls and plumbing and phones without countries and mines and economy?
It was basically a dream world in Simon's head. The characters never questioned why there was nothing beyond "midtown." I'm guessing when it became a real universe that the blanks were filled in to make sense of it all. It's weird to think about though. A bunch of people and places must've spontaneously popped into existence, but were also given a history and memories.
>A bunch of people and places must've spontaneously popped into existence, but were also given a history and memories.
to be fair that's what happened when IK reverted back to Simon too
Knowing the writers, Fionna manipulated him into fighting some old ice cream truck woman. Him ending up with fem Fern is just remaining faithful to the old tradition of side characters cucking Finn.
I know Fionnaworld isn't an exact parallel to Ooo, but I like to think Flame was a sheltered kid, and Fionna helped him get away from his controlling mom and find something that he truly enjoyed (DJ'ing)
However, the equivalent of "Frost and Fire" would be Fionna herself becoming very controlling over DJ Flame, which ended up with him rightfully dumping her. I like to think she did somehow gaslight him into fighting the ice cream lady, partly because of how ridiculous it is, but also because it definitely sounds like the thing that would make DJ Flame finally dump Fionna, specially if he fought her in public, that must've been pretty bad for his reputation.
That is odd honestly. With the convenience of your two best friends living in the same town/walking the same streets, it’d be hard not to have them end up meeting at some point. Let alone the fact they’re homosexual bachelors, Marshall would want to go where there’s food and Gary would be curious about the dude Fionna probably has been racking up drinking stories with.
I guess Fionna’s only known Marshall for a short while or else she would have run into Ellis before too
that and probably an aesthetic callback to falconry, although she doesn't really use a falcon she's got a lot of little design touches that reflect more of a vibe than a practical reality
I started watching it two months ago because I heard it was one of the big New 10s Cinemaphile shows along with Adventure Time, Steven Universe and Star Vs.
Rewatching S1 clips last night and thinking about how vastly a different a show it was. But I don’t think that hyper energy and random humour could have been drawn out for long without becoming flanderized, and I wouldn’t have wanted it to end early to retain that single identity. I like each kind of adventure time:
Boyish dnd grossout slapstick -> S3-5 stoner teen chill weirdness and comedy -> s6 was an energetic lull inside and outside, AT was becoming old news at this point. I never really watched much of it -> later season charactergayging and lore development, just in the SU style where non-charactergay or lore episodes often suck, you kind of have to pick the seeds from the mush.
I wouldn’t sacrifice any of these adventure times, except s6 maybe for any of the others
I wish they kept Finn’s old habit of breaking into funky little dances.
Yeah, the Frost & Fire–Too Old–Earth & Water triple wallop is basically the sole reason why people still complain about Adventure Time getting “taken over” by relationship drama
Who complains about shipping taking over a show? I've only seen people complain when the ships keep getting put in legitimate jeopardy or when they get broken up.
Honestly i think the one thing they need to bring back is for Marceline to teach Simon music. He's not ice king anymore but that shouldn't mean he can't pick it back up again.
I have seen more than one person mention how he was essentially murdered despite being a character outside of Simon, and the show never acknowledged it.
I still don't understand what was going on with Elements and the idea that Betty needed to let go of Simon, parallelling her with Magic Man's doomed attempt to bring back his fiance, only for her to get what she wanted in the end anyway. It confuses me. Maybe I'm just being stupid.
Martin's backstory works as a truth that only the audience knows and the characters won't, but the conclusion of their family wasn't as final as it could have been
It's hard to take people seriously when they do character analysis videos for this show. Talking about character development and trauma just looks silly juxtaposed with pictures of noodle armed tubes talking about making stories out of pancakes.
>Flame Princess fights in the Gum War on the side of a country that committed a terrorist attack against >Not her kingdom, not her army, just her
Thats like if Joe Biden was on the frontlines in a battle between China and India, on the side of China, by himself
I think so. Yeah he doesn't have his dream girl but there's still a life to live. He spent his whole time after becoming un-iced trying to get back to the past and now he can look forward. It probably wasn't immediate happiness but that's never instant. One step at a time
Idunno if anyone noticed but Winter King's song has a reference to this song from Santa Claus is Coming to Town
Which is kind of ironic considering Ice King was inspired by the Winter Warlock in the first place
>golbetty goes to reincarnate at the end of the series >gold is outside of time and space so she could actually reincarnate in the past
Betty is Doctor Princess theory re-confirmed
Stop daydreaming stop complaining and open up to your world
Great lesson for someone living in Ooo or in fantasy tumblr city, doesn't really do much for me living in this souless world ruled by corporations that do not give a shit about literally killing the world just to make more money is just too fricking late, and the one thing i got going for me is that fortunately i was just lucky enough to be born in a country that will hopefully remain peaceful enough for the rest of my life, so im gonna keep my escapism going, kinda like how finn's son and his gf escaped to fionna's world except more lame
The reason there's was an imbalanced power dynamic was because Simon was a professor and Betty was just a student. That's why she ended up harming herself to appease him, that's like the entire point of the backstories. Their relationship wasn't healthy for either even if they thought they wanted it.
I think that might, all trollish insincerity aside, be the one part of that finale emotional stuff that was the hardest for me to process emotionally, the idea that "we were beautiful, and now we are done, and we are on different paths, and you have so much to see and do without me before you are done", because we're programmed with this "together forever" mindset from the cultural background christianity but honestly yeah you should be able to move on from love but that's really hard
Wasn't Simon ALSO a student. He said he was "studying to become an antiquarian". And Betty was already doing field research. I think they were both in the same field but Simon is just the big dick on campus because he's published so Betty came to one of his talks
If I had to guess, the way this series recontextualized their relationship is probably just more of the writers dumping their relationship problems onto cartoon characters. And it kinda just barely clicked this time so nobody is calling them out for it.
>The reason there's was an imbalanced power dynamic was because Simon was a professor and Betty was just a student.
Stuff like this makes me want America's intellectual elite to get nuked
I'm gonna miss you bros. We had our disagreements but it was a fun time. I only came back to Cinemaphile to discuss this show but there aren't anymore western cartoons I wanna watch so I guess this is it.
I'll be back in November if Scott Pilgrim anime discussion is allowed here.
Yes, Finn
Aaahhh
NICEEEE
POST IT
I could see it being played with or Fionna / some new character being Betty's reincarnation due to cosmic shenanigans
Yea, Minerva
>Simon, my mom needs a new boyfriend. I'll pick you up at 8.
>hey mom, I brought him.
Here's a google translate
>basically dead fiancee tells him he was actually inconsiderate and her "death" could've been avoided if they did what she wanted
Wouldn't this make Simon even more depressed?
Maybe, but when you're trying to summon cosmic chaos gods then you've probably reached a point where you need to get the frick over it. Simon needed to get the frick over it. Not saying he couldn't be sad about it, but holy shit was he dwelling.
>Maybe, but when you're trying to summon cosmic chaos gods then you've probably reached a point where you need to get the frick over it.
That’s literally what Betty did in the first place
And I think she's a fricktard for doing it too. Just because I think Simon is being a dumbass doesn't mean I think Betty is automatically a very smart person.
My point is that Betty is in no position to judge his action and tell him to move on
Except she's in the position of the Chaos God so she kinda is, not morally, literally
That’s because he knows Betty’s the only girl who would date him. Would you move on from the only girl who would give you a chance?
I'm pretty sure moving on would be easier than summoning a chaos god, anon.
Simon just didn’t want to be alone, romantically.
No, she literally said "I don't regret a thing". He could have chosen differently she could have chosen differently. Neither did. All she wanted him to do is respect her wish just this once - and that wish was for him not to be IK.
It's like this board is filled with braindamaged children.
>All she wanted him to do is respect her wish just this once - and that wish was for him not to be IK.
Oh frick off. Bullshit like that makes me wish he would’ve put the crown on again out of spite. Frick Golbetty, I hope that b***h gets killed by some future being.
>lives her entire life as the perfect partner
>not just perfectly devoted
>not just a complete babe
>not just able to share his passions and enhance his vocation
>asks for him not to mind frick himself for a 29yo burnout ho who isn't even a real person
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE frick that b***h
I'm a little shocked at how many people on Cinemaphile didn't seem to understand this incredibly easy to understand ending.
You're on Cinemaphile that's why, and honestly people just want to hear what they want to hear. If they want to think that Betty is a bad person then they will flame the hell out of anything that says otherwise.
The ending sucks and you’re not smarter for “understanding” it.
And why do you think it sucks? Honest question.
@13:20 of episode 10 simon says he wont put on the crown because his life is just as important as FnC. He doesnt say jack about respecting Betty's wish just this once or whatever.
That's a him problem and has nothing to do with why Betty did what she did and what she wanted out of it, which is what he discussed.
Simon dragging himself out of depression and admitting that his life has equal value to literally fictional characters is just a sign of how badly he was down.
It's wild how stupid some are that this has to be explained. It's spelled out in the end for everyone. It worries me how stupid so much of the population is sometimes, I mean it's a cartoon how do you misinterpret a cartoon so badly.
>I mean it's a cartoon how do you misinterpret a cartoon so badly.
Or maybe the cartoon just sucks
not everyone actually watches the whole thing but still tries to converse based on what they see people saying
>All she wanted him to do is respect her wish just this once - and that wish was for him not to be IK.
I genuinely despise everything in this sentence. “Oh Simon you never listened and I let myself get led because of MUH POWER DYNAMICS but it’s okay because I’m the bigger person I wouldn’t change a thing”. I hate that. I hate that so much. What is the point of telling him that he was moronic and didn’t listen if you were actually okay with that the whole time?
Yeah it's just a petulant saint/victim complex, classic woman moment of wanting things to be poetic instead of practical
Why couldn't she just be real and have gone with Simon back to Ooo? They would've been a great couple
Because unlike most homosexuals in the series and the fandom, Simon is aware of the living hell that is being trapped under the crown spell, just constantly being on a semi conscious state, hearing voices, feeling how people beat you up yet una ble to do something, dreading every moment of your existence while attempting to use all of your brain power just to get your body back for a couple of minutes, all while time passes for centurys and everyone you knew and loved is long gone (with a few exceptions), and then when you are finally free, you learn of all the abhorrent and sick stuff your ice persona did, he just can't let someone else go trough that hell.
He is not semi conscious during any of his experience as ice king. That's his faulty memory of the experience. He is fully conscious as Ice King while he's Ice King. It's like when you have a hard time remembering things you did last week, doesn't mean you were less conscious during those times.
Didn't he said that it looks like its mind warped again in a illusion where he was back to being normal whe the crown lost its powers for the first time in the episode where everyone lost their magic, then remarked that maybe he was just normal again, it sounds like he was semiconcious the whole time, then when finn asks if he remembers the beatings, he just says that it still feels some brushes.
>remember the beatings
Sounds like a memory thing, that's what I was thinking of
I'll have to rewatch betty again I guess, maybe there is evidence of him having lapses of normality in his IK consciousness
Still, I know that "am I back to normal again or is this a new plateau of fricked" feeling
IIRC, Broke His Crown shows him literally trying to navigate a labyrinth in his mind.
I always thought that was one of those things that’s not really real and just a personified metaphor that only took shape when observed by external consciousnesses, but yeah no they had a village in there and everything it’s fricking stupid
Could any anons translate?
This one too
>You're grounded for 2 weeks!
>>YOU'RE grounded for 2 weeks!
>3 weeks!
>>But why? I didn't do anything-
>4 WEEKS!
>>(crying)
>Grounded for 2 weeks!
>You're grounded for 2 weeks!
>3 weeks
>but why!? I didn't do anything!
>4 weeks
>*crying*
It's a reference to this scene, here it is in both languages
>no sabe español
Ngmi
guys, how does a robot milf pussy feels?
ENGLISH. PLEASE!!!!
I legit wonder how Finn would react to this, either go hysterical, full awkward mode or just chill knowing that Simon is happy.
Here's a shitty google translate
>Simon, please say something to calm me down
>I'M GONNA HUG YOUR MOMMY
>He did more than hugging, in fact
>MOM!!
Coward.
just like with shark girls it seems like a good idea but then it becomes quite painful DON'T DO IT ANON
Sounds like a skill issue. Start dropping bricks on your hand now and someday you'll be tough enough to handle Wakeman hole
Yes, Marceline. He will free of her from that candy dictator’s grasp and use her as a replacement for Betty, regardless of their father-daughter like bond.
The mouth of my hero is so fricking hot, Instant boner.
If she had been five years older he would have been her "big strong hero" instead and he would have been able to have her on a platter a few years down the line
Here's the perfect ship idea. You're welcome
I wonder what gender bent Simon will be like?
she was the ice cream girl
Ice queen vs Buff Finn
Ice queen is for young human girls
LEAKED S2E1 SCRIPT
>Cake walks in
"YO dude I just pee pee'd on YO couch fool! and I TOOTED"
>cut to the couch with a horrified face and then slow motion of Cake slowly landing her butt cheeks on the couch as it looks horrified
"AW YEAH, now that's a comfy spot for my boot-AYYY"
>cut to Fionna
"Dude, no one wanna hear about your booty"
"Aw c'mon yo I'm just describing it to the audience"
>cut to Marshall
"WAIT THE AUDIENCE?"
>Marshall runs to the screen, says some fourth wall shit
>Gumball enters through a door
"Forget it Marshall, no one will ever like us"
"NO, THAT'S NOT TRUE! L-LOOK AT MY UNDERWEAR"
>It's the original Finn and Jake on them
"YOU LIKE US NOW RIGHT? RIGHT?"
>Rebecca Sugar walks in
"Yare yare daze..."
"NO WAIT WAAAIT!!"
Gumball pulls him off screen by his tie
>"Sorry about that guys"
>but I'm simply not there
>"New spell, waddya think?"
>"Woaho, very nice. Look at that"
>"Casted it yesterday. That's Ice. And the type is perma frost."
>"That's very cool Ice King, but that's nothing. Look at this."
>"That is really nice."
>"Animation spell on an old TV. Waddya think?"
>"...nice"
>"Jesus, that is really super. How'd a nitwit like you get so magical?"
>I can't believe that Grand Master Wizard prefers Life Giving Magus' spell to mine.
>"But wait, you ain't seen nothing yet. Transformation spell, cat, tabby."
>"Impressive, very nice... Let's see Abracadaniel's spell."
>Look at that rainbow colouring... the enchanting brightness of it. Oh my Glob, it even turns things pink.
It's hard to take the series seriously when they treat the crown as this terrible thing when all it did was make Simon an absent minded goofball.
Some Ice King episodes did make him look legitimately troubled like the Freak Princess one
Also a family member becoming an absent-minded goofball is not really funny when it's your family member
Anon how would you feel losing your memory of everything and everyone you know and love? And ontop of that dealing with the crown voices and wizard vision(constantly seeing demonic looking creatures you can’t touch or get rid of).
Anon, he was crazy, depressed and didn't remember any of his past.
why are you pretending IK and Simon are the same?
t. Fionna before “Jerry”
If I was Fionna I would have secretly wanted the crown even more
If Simon could accept the madness then he'd be able to integrate beautifully into the world of Ooo and magic. But that's not "relatable" or has a "lesson". Aside from being able to accept change and roll with it.
So he's just gonna die in a couple decades, pretending he's not heartbroken over the woman who's gone so far beyond everything he has no hope of even seeing her in death. His body will be wasting away, his time over forever, even though he's not chained to the same meatgrinder we are. Because he couldn't stop being stuck in the past, normalcy, and our values. But at least he knows he's worthwhile. And that's all you should ever want... being good enough and not hating yourself and being ok with dying
Anon, the crown basically gives you magic dementia. In the Betty episode, he literally said he'd rather die than go back to being IK.
You can't end on a draw 4. Frick Marcy that cheating c**t. She should have stayed a cool punk instead of a punk b***h.
t. Finn seething
He will love himself yes
>Finn/Simon/Marcy
>no pink prostitute in sight
SOVL
What's more powerful, the crown or Prismo?
Prismo deleted the crown with photoshop
I bet the crown can't do shit to Prismo just like it cannot do shit to GOLB
What I wonder is had Ice King had the crown on, would the Lich’s wish affected him?
Yeah but Golb is beyond Prismo and exists outside of the multiverse yet the Crown allows you to merge with Golb/effect golb
I already addressed that in my post.
an user of the crown will wish to beat "prismo" wihtout any effect when the only way is to wake up the old man and even then Prismo already have too many options as back ups
Prismo see the wish fail and deletes the problem or even send a warrior like Finn to erase his ass
Different wheelhouses. Scarab jobbed Prismo and the Crown jobbed the Scarab. If the crown was in proximity to Prismo it would probably win. Prismo is a dimension editor/maker. The crown is just a font of overwhelming strength/energy. Potential energy is meaningless without direction and the principle holds that without proximity or a user who knows what they're doing they're not a threat to Prismo in the slightest.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN???
I'm colorblind, explain.
Literally nothing. You’re grasping at straws.
Oh no it seems that Destiny is a girl
Farmworld HW is related to Destiny
Frick ass no
That's my thought
Especially since Finn seemed so stricken by Jay doing the Romeo shit. Makes me wonder if he had a similar situation.
It's probably just random color choice by the animators though, because the only way forward if that was true is for Jay to be from another mother. Genuine incest ain't a line they'd cross
And even if that was true, it would probably not even be relevant, so it could just be a sneaky thing from a boarder who wants to give possibility to some old school ship
>kid that looks like Stormo which was a finnbaby created by PB
>daughter named Bonnie - how did he get attached to that name? Is it really just a coincidence?
>Marceline is an old crone
>if PB had a human incarnation in Farmworld, she would probably still be motivated by the desire to create life
>probably still dutiful royalty (FWFinn does not want to be in the spotlight, the public fears him and he fears himself as well), and probably still gay, which is why it didn't ultimately work out
>maybe died too idk
I don't think the mother gum would exist without the bomb going off, so she's up for humanifying like other candy people
Unless the original PB was a human in that factory where the gum was formed.. a baked goods entrepreneur meeting with scientists hoping to create a supersweet that could nourish the war-torn world?
PB is Bi, she's dated and fricked multiple dudes, same as Marcy
>and fricked
I don't even think that's possible with the thing (that she created) that she was larping to be her boyfriend.
It was clearly just a deranged salty response to finding out Marcy was with Ash.
>LOOK I MOVED ON TOO AND I'M SOOO INTO BOYS AND SO DESIRED BY THEM SMOOCH SMOOCH
>SPREAD THE WORD CITIZENS, PRINCESS B IS GETTING CREAMED BY THE PUFF, SPREAD IT FAR
>LOOK AT ALL THESE SUITORS THAT I'LL NEVER GIVE THE TIME OF DAY, MY ROMANTIC LIFE IS OVERFLOWING
>I'LL NEVER WANT SOME PUNK ASS NEEDY EMO HOT b***h AGAIN
She dated at least a couple candy guys, and her willingness to be with finn at first (and the strong implication that she and Marcy were willing to frick him as an adult in the comics) say otherwise
All of FWFinn's children are "children" he's had before, except for the one that looks like HW. They're just fun references.
Jay/Bonnie = pillowworld kids
Glasses kid = NEPTR
Headband kid = Stormo
If Farmworld HW was related to Big D, the Jay Mertins and Little D romance would be incest
Some people are into that, but I don't think that was the intention.
Nobody is saying it is, except the people that think Farmworld HW is related to Big Destiny
It means he was hiding beautiful eyes behind those glasses this whole time. That's the joke.
Glob bless you, anon.
>Glob
Still disappointed he stopped mattering after S6
Who is Glob anyway, the opposite of Golb?
4 martians brothers turned deity
oh yeah. Why do people worship them on Earth?
The show is secretly sending an important message. God is dead and woman is the devil. Or something. I am very based and redpilled.
I find this specific image very funny, just look at how happy she is.
thanks thread bro!
Where do I sign up to be PB's next guinea pig/lab rat?
Butch PB…. >~<
Would she peg her aunt Lolly that way?
Maybe.. but I’m going first! ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ
Dunno, but now another question concerns me.
What if aunt lolly got mortal recoil'd
Flynn & Jacques anon here, gonna post new greentext here anytime i come up with more.
>In retrospect, there were smarter ways he could have gone about it. For example he could have just had them kicked out. After all, Merry Mat and his club were part of his jurisdiction as the president's representative.
>Breaking the guy's nose into the table and causing a fight that made national news ,however, was not one of them. He could already see the smear campaigns rolling in.
>Was it worth it? Was damaging ,not just the president's reputation but also bringing more attention to Nightosphere's connections with the office worth it? And all for what, because he felt....
>What **did** he feel? Anger? Certainly not, he wouldn't let something as simple as anger lead him to doing something this stupid. Was it hate? No, why would he hate a lowlife like him anyways? What did a pathetic spec like him do to deserve **his** ha-
>Flynn's thought process was broken by the sudden absence of the feeling of rain on his body, courtesy of his companion's flattened body hovering over his lying body.
>"Hey boss." Jacques greeted, face equally bruised and wounded. "One hell of a night huh?"
>"I thought I told you to not follow me."
>"After tonight, I'm sticking to you like no one's business."
>"I don't need your protection, thank you very much." The young man rolls over the wet grass, wincing in pain from his own wounds. "Besides what happened back there was a lapse in judgement, a PR nightmare that I have to fix if we want to keep our lead in popularity."
>"If you don't mind me asking, boss, why **did** you start the fight? Don't get me wrong, I'm always down for a tussle and Demon's Innards always has it's fair share of brawls but Dusty? That bloke's a two tongued snake who spends his days pinching pennies off dimwits."
>The raccoon's question is only met with silence as the young man simply ignores him as usual.
>Understanding the situation, Jacques simply lowers himself down to cover his companion's wet body to keep the young man warm.
>"I let my emotions get the better of me back there Jacq." Flynn quietly begins after a while. "I couldn't just sit there and listen to him talk about her like she is just a means to an end for him. Every word that came out of his vile mouth just kept echoing in my head until I was standing over him, and the only thing I wanted was for his voice to choke in his throat"
>He goes quiet for a while, Jacques patiently waiting for him to continue.
>"Next thing I know, his group has me surrounded and if you weren't around I'd probably be in a worse shape than now."
>"I was just doing my job bos-" The raccoon starts but is stopped as Flynn continues.
>"I don't know why I did what I did but I know that back there, I was defenseless without you and the thought of being weak shakes me to my core." The boy's voice trembles with emotions. "I want to become stronger, I **need** to become stronger so that this will never happen again."
>"Boss, I want you to know that no matter what happens I'm going to have your back through and through. I'll handle any lowlife thug or high class snob that decides to even look at you wrong and that's not going to change anytime soon." Jacques begins after a while, clearly thinking his words through. "That said, if you're serious about this getting stronger business I know someone who can help you out. I've known her since I was a kit and if anyone can teach you , it's her."
>"Good. Let's meet her after the elections, I rather not have to worry about the old man during it." Flynn responds with his usual tone of voice, having composed himself past his moment of vulnerability.
Pretty nice that someone decided to expand on the Flynn and Jacque world
What are you using as inspiration for the names/culture? I had an impression they were supposed to be British but I see you're using explicitly Slavic names as well
Also who's Dusty? Ash?
Names aren't really my strong suit so I've been mostly going of the first name that comes to my mind really, Misha being the first feminine name that sort of sounds like Marshall for example.
Dusty is meant to be Ash yeah because ash and dust. A moronic name for a moronic guy kek.
So is next Adventure Time going to be the Grimdark Mystery Drama?
How come Big Destiny only existed in farm world?
because his ancestors died in the Mushroom War
That's stupid reasoning when you remember how these universes are created
This feels like the real reason
then he eists as some dumb candy person or some shit
>That's stupid reasoning when you remember how these universes are created
The frick are you talking about? That makes perfect sense even including how the universes are created
He was to big for the rest of the multiverse
Because the writers actually wanted to create new and unique universes instead of spamming PB and trash like Finn x HW and PB x Marceline in every AU.
This will always be one of my favorite shots from Adventure Time
I watch the clip all the time. The guitar riff when he says "Wasteland style" is just great.
After all of that episode and they still never meet each other, other than the Farmworld and Babyworld. What a waste of my time!
What's the best Fionna dyke ship?
fionna x me as a girl
being molested by Candy Queen
finally someone posted an attractive Fionna and not la forma descuidada
Prob with pb because I've always liked the plucky adventurer with innocent crush on princess trope, but yuri would be even better
That kiss was cute
All Finns are destined to be strung along by PBs.
being enslaved by Star Marceline
Hot
>What's the best Fionna dyke ship?
Amazon Fionna on Thicc PB action
>boring gumlee makeout comic where they don't even frick or even do anything hot is the one thing afaik from all this that broke 100k likes on twitter
Now we know why they got so much screentime. Little money bawds
Post it
That's it
There's some follow up of a security guard and femsun watching a security tape of this, but otherwise this is the big 100k chicken dinner winner
ikimaru vibes
the constant b***hing about twitter in the news is just proof it’s still relevant. popular fandom stuff not uncommonly gets numbers like that (but not super often our brand of autistic fandom stuff, it’s usually movies or anime. but we still regularly get in the range of 20-50k likes) and normalgay stuff still often goes up to millions. cesspool as it is, it’s the public’s internet
Thanks for sharing. Yeah this is really tame. Interesting historical piece though and maybe a decent bartering chip for CEO negotiations given it was posted on Musk’s Twitter but still blew up.
disgusting homosexuals
You know, there is surprisingly way less explicit content of them than I expected. I guess the wholesome safe nature of their relationship doesn't really lend itself to that sort of stuff
Wholesome gay fuzzies for your liberal mum n dads approval. Normalworld relationship for normalworld approval
Soft bois in the street, crazy b***hes in the sheets
I hate every single word you just typed. Please have a nice day.
Kill me yourself, daddy
I we could throw stones at you people like they do in arab countries
They're not gonna let you watch Adventure Time as an adult in arab countries.
I’m willing to make that sacrifice
Pussy
have a nice day
That's what muslims should do. They are literal barbarians. What is their place in the civilized world?
P.S. Peppermint Butler could beat Ice King
>Time prep meme
Everyone's focused on the toxic yuri instead
>watch too young again
>realize they were JUST getting started on formalizing their relationship as a couple
>1(one) date
Heh, bet you really thought Finn and PB were going to get together for good, huh?
I wasn't all that interested in adventure time back then, I'm from the FP era.
As a kid I really thought they were going to stick with this.
Boy they sure subverted my expectations.
It's dead Jim
Embrace the tree and leaves
HW is really the best girl for Finn
The show ended here, the other seasons are just an alternate universe.
Is there anyone who still ships this for real? The only other cartoon ship this dead that I can think of is Makorra.
About 11-13 people on Cinemaphile.
I believe if they wanted to show he truly moved on, he would find someone else. It's the best way to show his character development in F&C by showing him fully able to enjoy life again with new people.
And since the writers seem to be horrified of doing anything with him and Marceline (I have no idea why it's literally the most requested thing in AT they haven't adressed yet) him making new connections would be great.
It doesn’t make sense but I want him to go back to the Ice Kingdom so he can have his own Fortress of Solitude
Golb is a Lich countermeasure that the Boss either created or repurposed to keep the more successful Liches from universe-hopping and wiping out existence
Time to go full autist mode. It takes about a month to finish storyboarding an episode. Jesse posted this on 26 Nov 2010, while he was working on Wizard Battle, his third storyboard of the season. At minimum subtract two months from this and he was working on season 3 from late september. Most probably production started at least a couple weeks earlier than this. Jury's still out on exactly when, but it was definitely much before Deadline announced it. I'm no expert on how cartoon tv productions work, but it makes sense to me to renew before the previous season ends so you can keep the ball rolling and not have all your writers/boarders/production crew sitting on their asses.
Based
I do find this production stuff interesting. In that interview a few weeks ago Muto
mentioned that they were still finishing post-production on F&C, which was not very different from how things would go with the original show
>It takes about a month to finish storyboarding an episode
>his third storyboard of the season.
>At minimum subtract two months from this and he was working on season 3 from late september.
>Most probably production started at least a couple weeks earlier than this.
All unsubstantiated claims
>it makes sense to me to renew before the previous season ends so you can keep the ball rolling and not have all your writers/boarders/production crew sitting on their asses.
The argument was about writing, and according to sources the writing for S2 was finished (in August) before the show was renewed for S3 (in late September according to your most optimistic claims), meaning that Mortal Recoil could've served as a potential series finale if the show wasn't renewed
>All unsubstantiated claims
They're not. Kent Osborne described the episode-making process here: https://web.archive.org/web/20160304001731/http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/12/19/this-is-how-an-episode-of-cartoon-network-s-adventure-time-is-made.html
It's his third storyboard going by production code, also PB is old again in wizard battle, so obviously after Too Young.
Late September is actually pessimistic. Depending on when he started boarding wizard battle, it could've been early september. Then even earlier than that for the writing team to start planning the season. You're right that Mortal Recoil *could've* been written to serve as a series finale, but I've seen no evidence to prove that either way.
>but I've seen no evidence to prove that either way.
Other than the fact the show was renewed *after* the writing for S2 was finished, meaning S2 wasn't written with S3 in mind.
It certainly wasn't a case of them writing *S4* while S2 was still airing, because they knew in advance they had another two seasons (pic related), meaning S3 was likely written with S4 in mind. Pen even had to clear up the fact Mortal Recoil wasn't the series finale (also pic related).
>Other than the fact the show was renewed *after* the writing for S2 was finished
I literally just proved to you that AT was renewed well before Deadline announced it. We don't know exactly when it was renewed for season 3. I can't say definitively, but I find it very feasible that season 3 was picked up before the writing for season 2 finished in the interest of seamlessly continuing production. It makes a lot more sense to me to renew a show a few weeks before the writers finish than a few weeks after. Otherwise you're paying people to do nothing.
You're right that the show *could've* been renewed before Mortal Recoil was written to serve as an S3 cliffhanger, but I've seen no evidence to prove that either way.
Yeah man, it's all just speculation. If Muto ever does an AMA again someone should ask him, if he can even remember.
>Since its first episode in 2010, with the exception of June 2011 and March 2012, there has been at least one episode of Adventure Time on Cartoon Network every month.
take me back
Okay, now it's her turn for a spin off
Only if it involves Flynn and Jacq heavily
Yeah, I don't want to see gay homies kissing
Hot, source?
Astrid's merely a little Betty
Stop acting dumb anon, no one's saying Becky held supreme executive power over every character and episode and forced everything to be refocused into Bubbline, she just knew exactly what she was doing when she suggested PB and Marcy were exes and how that would affect the show going forward given the state of tumblr and storyboarder stock and LGBT "wars" being fought at the time.
It's really no different than if I were working on a show today and suggested an existing white character in production or source material be voiced by a non-white voice actor, I'd be doing that fully aware there's a large fricking chance of that character being pushed to be changed to match the VA's race by the crew, and that change persisting in the future. I can still deny I didn't *personally* change the character's race, but I knew what I was doing when I suggested it and the effects it would have in the future of that character.
"'Am I my feelings? Do I exist because I can't stop feeling?'"
smash
Still has a good booty though
Actually good
See-through nakadashi fertilization.
If they do a season 2, do you think ice queen will play a larger role?
I want adventures with Finn and family
We will never going to see them again, aren't we?
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I'm surprised this is still up. Got anymore Mertens culo?
Why couldn’t they just be insane and happy together. Betty would’ve gone mad enough to be content. And maybe Simon would’ve gotten less mad over time. They could’ve been magic immortal weirdos together…
I just wanted to see 5 minutes of Finona's normalgay powers interact with the Ice Crown to allow Simon to become Ice Emperor for 5 minutes and achieve his temporary apotheosis of both himself and his ice king self before finally retiring for good
Ice king mellowed the frick out since his early appearances on the show, it would've been interesting to see how he would've developed over the years, probably an ice prince variant from Fionna dream
Are the other elemental princesses immortal?
I know we saw SP in the dead pits but it's no surprise that messy b***h would get herself splatted somehow
Patience is still around in Shermy and Beth's time
Then maybe FP/Finnsword can still win..
Patience froze herself again during Elementals, which is good for Ooo but “bad” for her since she did it before everyone was cured.
I wish King Man was in this series. It’s very bizarre to me that he wasn’t, especially considering they had Tom Kenny right there. Honestly though, I doubt we’ll see him again in the future, but I’d be happy to be wrong.
Man Hynden Walch knocked it out the park with CQ and Boss Bonnie
I bet Olivia had fun doing maniacal villainess laughter instead of the usual mellow fare as well
Yep really seems like they had fun.
She's so good. I can't imagine anyone else capturing all aspects of PB so well. The voice acting in general was great. I wasn't the biggest fan of Scarab's voice though. A little bit stereotypical, moustache twirling villain vibes. I would've liked a more 'normal' voice.
For a crazy second you had me thinking Scarab was voiced by Walch
She's got great range, but not that great.
what if the original finn gave his insanity to somebody else.
>Gives it to Big Destiny
>Live a happy life with his family and rules the world as Prince Cold
He should just learn ice magic
He should learn ice magic and get a job at Wiz-Arts
Didn't Finn and Jake learn Ice Ninjutsu from Ice King's lair? He can just use that to get his powers back. I imagine he'd relearn this stuff so he redeem himself into a 'real' hero.
I have a rough idea what what he'd be like (don't know what to call this 'AU' or whatever you wanna call it. Sub-zero Simon?)
>Didn't Finn and Jake learn Ice Ninjutsu from Ice King's lair?
Just like they became wizards in that one early episodes, the rules of magic changed, fool.
At this stage, we can just pull any other reason out of our asses for it to work.
Does the show itself even care about it's rules?
Keep in mind he's an old man, so he'd be putting himself through physical hell to keep up with training. He's prior knowledge is the only thing keeping him from crippling himself.
>he'd be putting himself through physical hell to keep up with training
The image of an alternate Simon who was a weeb gym guy doing American Ninja Warrior-ass training while also looking for antiquities is extremely funny to me, Ice King being ripped because this version of Simon was obsessed with being able to do ninja shit and now he's an ice ninja? That's actually pretty fricking sick AND also a very funny premise
>Simon, Ice Ninja
I like this
Yeah actually it would be pretty cool to see a Simon, even just in a short story or whatever, who was more of a weeb when he was young and so was way into that kind of stuff when he went as an antiquarian to go get the crown, and so as Ice King was more into the Ice-Ninjutsu stuff? It would be neat if that particular detour on his ice magic journey might have given him the capacity to do something like Winter King did, maybe channeling the madness into some kind of cursed ice blade or something, some other simon with a believable alternate past that alters the way the Wishing Crown's magic manifested. Like how Ice King was only obsessed with princesses because of Betty.
For an alternate Simon:
I like the idea of him channeling the madness in a certain way, like captain Ahab from Moby Dick.
'My malady becomes my most desired health' or whatever the quote is. He's using his sickness AS his weapon.
I hope to Golb I get the time and energy to add to this premise, with my luck it's hard to tell.
I'm cool with Prime Simon becoming an ice ninja too because that poor fricker needs to into 'adventure mode'
>He's using his sickness AS his weapon
>His manifestation of the ice magic includes being able to afflict people with ice madness the way the lich does that "fall" thing
>Trying to pound some of fart in weed attire
>He thinks he's Master Oogway in this b***h
>He signs with his hands as the world is engulfed in snow before going dark
>'Do you feel the cold? I feel the cold'
>You feel ice creeping up your legs
I swear to god I thought you were a chatbot from that first line but then I realized you meant "try to pound some old fart in weeb attire", I was sitting there staring at the words trying to understand but I guess that's just the power of autocorrect, it's such a b***h sometimes
Yeah sorry, in bed right now getting my thoughts out where they won't be forgotten.
I know I can get this AU or prompt to work better if I just chart it all out later.
It would be pretty rad for him to open his mouth and have ice-cold death breath wafting out like dry ice fog
>'How it feels to chew 'Fivegum(tm)''
>'Stimulate your senses'
I don't understand why people keep talking about
>writers
in this thread. It's well known they make this shit up as they go along. There's no real lore. Stuff just HAPPENS in adventure time, Fiona and cake is ironically the most coherent story they've ever told.
Imagine caring more about adventure time lore than the creators? Couldn't be me.
What a pointless thread. Uncle Grampa has more consistent lore
They went on a deleting spree in that second half of season 5 huh
>Adam and Rebecca both with the "It's over" look
They already knew how the show was going to turn out.
It was their last ep together as a team
>A fire inside my body?
I am disgusted!
Wait, how is what I posted cuck Fetish?
I'm saying that the redhead with Green Eyes looks like Destiny because Farmworld HW is related to him.
Nevermind anon I got confused
Wonder why Simon wasn't seen in any of the Deadworlds in Together Again
>Betty is in a relationship with the Ice King
>NTR'd by your crazy Alter Ego
Ya done cucked yourself... thrice?
Can this b***h do anything more than just be smart and know everything? Her condescending attitude towards both Shermy and Simon is really annoying.
Beth is a chill teenager while Shermy is just a kid
She's cool tho
Shermy is a moron and Simon was acting like a moron in a different way, from her point of view.
Of the two of them I think Shermy is way more likely to verge on being annoying, we didn't see much of him this time but he's like season 1 Finn if they made him 5 times more spastic. I like Beth fine in comparison.
She's into trashy romance!
That's a compelling character flaw!
Even though most women who would identify with her probably wouldn't even consider that a flaw...
She has giant fat feet that's her character flaw
She's a cool, patient big sister to Shermy.
>Tiger outlived Shoko
>Finn outlived Jake
Does that mean Beth will outlive Shermy next?
Probably
Wait, why was Huntress Wizard a human in Vampire World, anyway? Nothing changed except Simon biting it early. Does this this mean HW was originally human in Ooo too, and something happened to prevent her from becoming a wizard in the other universe? Seems like a backstory worth exploring.
>Nothing changed except Simon biting it early
That we know of. The only mutant shown there was Bubblegum
The others could be dead, I know the focus is on humans, but the average non-human humanoid probably still has blood.
It's not explained so maybe? Maybe not?
We've seen human versions of fantasy characters in Farmworld (like Bobby, Choose Bruce), so maybe some "souls" can manifest under different forms in different worlds.
Or maybe she really was a human and something in Vampworld prevented her from becoming a wizard, I don't think there's enough evidence to say anything for sure either way.
I think the writers were just lazy and/or dumb.
Like, the b***h is literally made out of trees I don't see how becoming a wizard would have changed her from human to that. It makes much more sense she was a wood nymph or some other kind of forest creature or something vs originally being a human.
And wouldn't that mean she would need to be like 1000 years old? There's not really any other way she could originally have been a human when 99.9999999999999% died in the war right?
>Like, the b***h is literally made out of trees
She's a hybrid, and uses magic to transform into a tree, she seems to be mostly fleshy, with tree stuff coming out of her.
>I don't see how becoming a wizard would have changed her from human to that.
Really? We know from Ice King and many other examples that magic can severely change someone's physiology, both temporarily and permanently, I don't think it's that out there.
>There's not really any other way she could originally have been a human when 99.9999999999999% died in the war right?
There were a bunch of islands that survived my dude, I'd even argue characters like Marcy who used to be half-human and Simon who also used to be human survived, there were survivors, Finn is another example.
The Islands humans are part of the .0000000000000001% that survived. Do you really think there were like a million of them or something? In comparison to all of humanity it's not a lot.
HW does literally have tree parts though, she has leaf hair and antlers. She is mostly humanoid but that's still different from human.
And there are some examples of people we see becoming a wizard vs what they were like before. Look at Betty, she was a normal human who became a wizard and then looked like....... a crazy normal human in a hat. Ice King's situation is different in that he was cursed which is responsible for the vast majority of changes he went through.
Like look at the average random wizard in Ooo, what do you think they were before they became magic? Humans? It seems like the simple answer is they were mostly the same but couldn't do magic.
frick wrong image
>The Islands humans are part of the .0000000000000001% that survived. Do you really think there were like a million of them or something? In comparison to all of humanity it's not a lot.
Nah, but there were still a fair amount, I don't think it's too out of the real of possibility that some hiders somehow managed to escape without anyone knowing, the seekers were there for a reason after all.
>HW does literally have tree parts though, she has leaf hair and antlers. She is mostly humanoid but that's still different from human.
No one is saying that HW IS a human, she most definitely isn't.
This is about the theory that she might've been a human at some point before becoming whatever she is now.
>Look at Betty, she was a normal human who became a wizard and then looked like....... a crazy normal human in a hat.
Betty is an exception, not a rule, every other wizard looks weird and wacky, and besides, magic can do literally anything, maybe it changes nothing, maybe it changes a lot, there's no set pattern to this.
Also, "wizards" are considered their own species in Ooo, that's why Simon wasn't considered a blue human as Ice King, so maybe Betty did change somewhere, we just can't know for sure.
>Like look at the average random wizard in Ooo, what do you think they were before they became magic? Humans?
This isn't about them, this is about the fact that HW was a human in the Vampworld, which is specifically an alternate timeline where Simon died, implying maybe something happened that didn't let her become a wizard like in the main timeline.
Like I said before
, fantasy characters can be humans in alternate worlds, so I don't think this theory is 100% true, but I also don't think it's impossible.
lmao are we really going to have this argument again?
Have you considered that Huntress Wizard is just a normal mutant that learned magic?
Jake
>It's a Fiona walks in on a now teenaged version of Baby Finn jackin' it episode
She offers to help
A lot of people are saying that Marceline and Finn should've played a much bigger role in F&C, but despite all the show's flaws I think keeping them away from the action was a good call. Simon needs to go on an adventure of his own to find himself away from his friends and family, and if he needs companions then Fionna and Cake are the perfect choice since he literally created them* and helping them with their own problems would in turn help Simon come to terms with everything he did as Ice King and put that ghost to rest. But Marcy and Finn definitely should've appeared in the finale, if only to see how much Simon's grown since they last saw him.
*Yes I know about the Prismo beam but that whole retcon is stupid and unnecessary so I'm ignoring it
I wanted more Finn because he was cool but you're right that it wouldn't really work for this story. He and Marceline really should have been in the ending though.
This show was full of fan service but then didn't give us something as simple as the main cast chilling in a 2 second long clip in a montage. Actually when you think about it the main cast hasn't all been together since the original show finale. I guess you can count the end of Obsidian, though missing Jake and BMO.
>helping them with their own problems would in turn help Simon come to terms with everything he did as Ice King and put that ghost to rest.
Yeah, but the problem is at the end they just lazer-focused on his relationship with Betty instead of addressing all that stuff
brutalmoose is a gay
I think the second episode made a good point as to why Finn should not have come with him in the state he's in right now. However, I can't say the same about Marceline.
>Simon needs to go on an adventure of his own to find himself away from his friends and family,
But he didn't. The lesson he learns at the end of the show is that his life has worth and Betty would not want him to throw it all away. He never finds out what he is as his own person or his role in the current state of OOO. If he does learn that then he does so in the ending montage, and that's not really satisfying when he could have learned that in the course of the series.
The fact we got a Marceline movie and a Simon TV Show, and neither of them did anything with both of them together is ridiculous. Other creators would kill to have that amount of money and screentime for characters they weren't able to develop properly.
I often wonder how a miracle it must have been that Simon never got Betty pregnant
They were both loser nerd so they didn't know sex was a thing
Simon doesn't believe in sex before marriage and Betty was only his fiance. He's actually a 60 year old virgin.
artist?
She'd make a good vampire
Mask, hood, fights from afar
But which Arcana?
>No fanfic where HW gets brutally raped and turned by the Vampire King
Terrible. You have to do everything yourself these days.
It's surprisingly hard to find a good Adventure Time fic that actually captures the spirit and tone of the show well, they either veer off into being too serious and melodramatic or feel like they were written by an ESL.
Gets Vamped, steals crown, becomes Vampire World's Finn arch nemesis
Simon, Fionna, and Cake should've gone to Dimension 420 and chilled there for a while. Would've helped Simon get over his depression for sure.
Alright anons, place your bets. Who's gonna get the spotlight in the next AT thing?
>Fionna and Cake season 2
>Flame Princess Spinoff
>Shermy and Beth
>Total reboot - Adventure Time Go!
>Jermaine + Bryce sitcom
>King of Ooo TV movie
>Huntress Wizard miniseries
>King Man martian political drama
>Cooking with Susan Strong
Miniseries about Flame Princess and NEPTR's rap career. Rated TV-MA of course.
Sweet P could be cool. Show his journey to becoming a hero and controlling his inner Lich powers.
I would love to see Susan return even if it's just her lezzing out
I'd want more FnC just to hear more Fionna, but I'd be okay with SnB if Finn Sword was included and they went the Sword Dad route.
that anime would be kinda cool if the sword wasnt some dork from japan.
>King Man martian political drama
That would be kino but unlikely
>Total reboot - Adventure Time Go!
In the style of Water Park Prank so that people learn to love the previous style of the show when they understand what they've lost
It’s probably gonna be a Shermy and Beth, F&C follow up if we get any more AT stuff. I still want more Susan Strong though.
>I still want more Susan Strong though.
Oh yeah, she got a girlfriend too.
A show about Jake’s days as a bank robber
>Cooking with Susan Strong
I'd watch it. I'd watch anything with Susan.
AU where Simon never got cured but Betty was alive. I just really wanna see what would happen even if it's still tragic.
Frick Patience for ruining everything man.
More Fionna n Cake or more Susan Strong.
Billy the Hero prequel.
It’s gonna be F/C S2 with more focus on Finns and 1000+ development
>Fionna and Cake season 2
It's done
>Flame Princess Spinoff
Nah
>Shermy and Beth
Probably, but I don't want them to. They work better as a duo having adventures off-screen and we can only infer what their story is.
>Total reboot - Adventure Time Go!
Hell no
>Jermaine + Bryce sitcom
Nah
>King of Ooo TV movie
We already got the BMO special and the old king of OOO is a chump
>Huntress Wizard miniseries
Let's go for it
>King Man martian political drama
Sounds lame
>Cooking with Susan Strong
Sounds super lame.
Really I expect the "dark medieval fantasy drama" that Scarab said at the end of the show to be the next thing if we ever get one. Grimdark Adventure Time but it's shown at the end of episode 1 that it's all an AU created by Prismo and Scarab to have fun. And then shenanigans ensue and classic AT characters have to teach this new world to chill out.
+ Bryce sitcom
This would be kino, they'll never do it
>Shermy and Beth
>Fionna and Cake season 2
I'd like to see this, not sure any of those options is happening anytime soon though.
>Total reboot - Adventure Time Go!
I wouldn't be surprised if HBO pulls this shit in a couple of years.
The reason there was stuff like PPG, Thundercats, and Ben 10 reboot in the style of TTGO is because CN was trying something at the time, but they've given up since then. All those other TTGO copycat shows are dead and none of the new shows are trying to copy that style, not even the other reboots and revivals. Tiny Toons Looniversity does not have the same art style or tone as TTGO for example. So a reboot of that style is never happening, but I wouldn't put it past them to do another reboot in the distant future.
They should’ve just let Finn build his tower into space
How would you have improved Adventure Time without changing much of the plot?
No bubbline. I'd make other characters to be gay, but not them.
I'd make PB a teenager only about 3 years older than Finn, would keep everything the same otherwise.
I don’t know about changing a lot personally but I’d probably give the writers a heads up they’re only gonna get 10 seasons so the ending isn’t so rushed
Bubbline starts in season 1
Unironically that wouldn’t be a bad idea. It wouldn’t have been so half-assed if they just built it up from the beginning
They basically did that. What's two seasons difference if you only get like one or two episodes of development per season? Excluding Stakes.
Based god brain, this all the way. It solves all their b***hing.
PB and Marcy should've had an on-off relationship throughout the series in which you could figure out from context cues. One ep they're catty towards eachother, another ep they're suddenly close and flirty, then they're distanced and dating other people, then they're back together, etc...
It'd be a thing that's in the background usually
Sometimes you'll see PB at Marcy's house in pjs or Marcy coming out of PB's room
All while no one questions it
Maybe one or two episodes where they get into their relationship dynamic
Rather they not pussyfoot around and just hit it with a brick. Because even when they forego subtly people still missed it.
Don't make Finn and FP break up in the most moronic way. If they have to break up, make it mutual where they discuss their feelings and realize the relationship isn't working out. Maybe Finn can be a bummed out but don't make him an OOC manchild that needs to "learn a lesson" or something.
Don't make Finn regrow his arm in Breezy, or at the very least make his grass-arm look obvious enough that you know it's a fake arm. Cut out all LSP scenes in that ep.
Make Orgalorg a bigger threat and actually interesting.
Let Marceline do more fun/shady stuff in later seasons that's not tied to her backstory.
Get Finn a new friend group if he's gonna be distanced from PB and Marcy.
Either commit to PB being a fricked up dictator or don't at all.
More scenes with IK bonding with other people
Make all the plot important eps 2-parters, a lot of them are rushed as frick
That's all I can think of at the top of my head. Generally, my gripes with this series all come down to poor execution of ideas more than those ideas themselves.
>Either commit to PB being a fricked up dictator or don't at all.
I actually think they found a good middleground, showing her controlling nature to be a character flaw rather than something that defines her. If they turned it up they'd have to commit to giving her some shitty Steven Universe redemption arc, what they did was among the best choices they could have made.
I want more wizard stuff, the PepBut episode in Distant Lands was kino. I don't think the hand stuff mattered as much as people said it did. Cut the Elementals stuff completely, not necessarily the lore but the actual arc. This would give the show time to create more one off stuff and have the greater storylines not feel so bloated and unwelcome. Lean into the horror aspects of the show more, maybe have more scholars of Golb since the Lich was obviously the best villain in the series. Maybe make Huntress Wizard's introduction as an important character and her relationship with Finn occur earlier. Change everything they do to Flame Princess as a character after The Red Throne, I don't know what they should do with her just not what they did. Honestly if they do anything different with the hand business, I would prefer they also not give Finn a new sword, make him explore some other method of combat. Maybe introduce him to some kind of magic or something, and that's where they fit in Huntress Wizard. I'm not saying change his character by giving him an interest in complicated magic or something, make it like bodybuilding magic or something stupid like that. I think Joshua had some untapped potential or cool writing.
>the PepBut episode in Distant Lands was kino.
Eeeehhh
PepBut was a kino character, I felt like the Distant Lands episode was a disservice to him.
How so?
Well, first of all NuPep is a completely different character, he's not just PepBut but younger or PepBut but dumb, he's a completely new guy that replaced the old one, while classic PepBut is a weirdly impulsive and evil ghost, to the point that he makes NuPep do irrational things.
They also portray the old PepBut like he was 100% evil and it's good for NuPep to NOT be like him, when PepBut was a much more neutral and complex character than just "drink the evil juice and become a raging demon".
I can only hope he turns into Classic PepBut quickly, at least we know that's already the case by the time Finn and Jake are dead.
PepBut was my main complaint, everything else was fine at best I guess, Cadebra was mostly okay, but the fact that PepBut doesn't act like PepBut really sours the whole thing for me.
so glad someone too stupid to understand grey area ambiguity never wrote for it, or we'd end up with shit like this
Make PB turn down Finn hard and fast like Marceline did.
Better writing and better plot progression 🙂
Also Fern gets to live
>Get Finn a new friend group if he's gonna be distanced from PB and Marcy.
Make an episode where Ice King begs Finn to teach him how to be a cool adventurer like him, or one where Finn hangs out with him and all his loser Wizard friends.
Full on grass arm is also a pretty good idea, could have it show signs of Fern stuff early, like having the grass octopus try (and fail) to control Finn
Also don't douse PepBut in the dum dum juice, and I always kinda liked the idea of Uncle Gumbald, Aunt Lolly, and Cousin Chicle all surviving as themselves rather than just Aunt Lolly, so do that too.
Make Finn x PB canon. Make PB x Yoko a thing too to make Finn x PB even more canon. And make PB attracted to the age difference aspect of their relationship
Barf.
>And make PB attracted to the age difference aspect of their relationship
>"It sucks you grew up without a mom Finn. Can you pull your foreskin back yet haha?"
Way more Ice King and Marceline moments and Lich is the final boss. That’s it.
It's Finn's Sacrifice at the end of the series, not Betty's. Finn is the hero, and a cosmic entity to boot, it was his responsibility to stop Golb not some random from a thousand years ago displaced through time.
What should he have sacrificed?
>Golbfinn
That would made people b***hing hard
At least Finn would have “died” a legendary hero and Simon and Betty would be together.
Time Adventure makes more sense in that context
So they're singing to his death? That's odd
that's how it be sometimes
his virginity
His life, man. Finn is a COMET, literally have Golb's magic work against himself. Finn takes the crown, and with his combined cosmic power unlocked by reverting to his comet form, and the magic wish granting crown, he wishes for Golb to forget about Ooo and never return. In doing so, Golb leaves, but takes Finn with him. Leaving behind the crown, because it's indigestible or something. Finn gets digested by Golb, and saves Ooo forever.
I don’t think it would have satisfied anybody for him to die already. Unless you wrote the preceding seasons to build up to it/develop and close his arcs satisfyingly
Everytime someone mentions patience the character i think of the word and can you blame me? She s an extreeeeemely forgettable antagonist that just fricking gives up and doesn't do jack shit after having the elemnts unleashed
A majority of the problems of this show mainly come from the lack of proper interaction between the leading cast members, especially as the size of the cast grew while at the same time the showrunners gradually narrowed their scope of who they wanted to explore. For example, they supposedly ran out of ideas between Finn and Marceline, even though that speaks more to the boarders' lack of imagination or shifting priorities than their dynamic being that shallow. Just by giving more time to the dynamics that work, as well as exploring more wacky sounding combinations (PB and LSP, Jake and Ice King, Flame Princess with fricking anyone other than just Finn, likewise with Huntress Wizard, etc.), improvements can almost write themselves.
I feel like a lot of plot beats and details as they stand can work with some tweaking, though some should be dropped entirely. The whole deal with PB's relatives would've felt a lot more pressing if she was actually her originally depicted age, and her family was actual family and not just constructs she made when she was lonely. I also think such a plot should've happened much earlier as well. I ain't a big fan of how Finn's arm played out, either that should've been entirely cut, completely committed to, or at least have a less dumb reason to restore it after having more time without it (considering there's probably a bazillion different ways to recover it in the setting, pick one that has proper emotional weight). Marceline shouldn't go back to being a vampire after Stakes. I could go on.
Stuff like that doesn't need much fundamental changes. All of Finn's notable pairings and/or Bubbline equally can and cannot work according to the early show's depiction of the cast, it just depends on the direction of the show. Though honestly it's easier to make a game where any route is viable.
And for the love of god, make the Lich the overarching villain. Have Finn kill him at the end. It's not that hard.
>And for the love of god, make the Lich the overarching villain. Have Finn kill him at the end. It's not that hard.
Maybe they could have had their final confrontation be a little bit later but imo the only reason you think he should be the final villain is because he was the best one. They just have to make better villains. The Stakes guys weren't half bad, the biggest problem with the later villains is they felt like one off story villains stretched out to season long villains.
>Marceline shouldn't go back to being a vampire after Stakes.
This is one of the things people sometimes complain about that I don't get at all.
Why? Not being a vampire just makes Marceline less interesting. Sure the ending of Stakes with her just coming full circle was status quo (it was dumb to me how the cloud just bites her right at the last second) but I don't think the good solution is to instead change shit that just makes the characters less cool and more boring.
My idea for it was that Finn would kill the cloud (I was thinking by recklessly throwing his sword at Marceline's side to sever it), perhaps with him having the clairvoyance that Marceline would still live a long time or even still be immortal, just aging like in Farmworld. It'd open up more opportunities to connect with the crew, where she and them can go out and try all the food she wasn't able to eat since she couldn't have any of it properly when she was a vampire. Go out sunbathing. Maybe being ageless from being a vampire prevented her from maturing beyond a teenager and it'd give her better means to develop properly.
She's still a rocker, she's still a half-demon with all the crazy powers she reabsorbed, and she can still be her punk self. I think there isn't much wrong with trading one of her dozen unique traits for character development.
She shouldn't have gone back to being a vampire because the vampirism was well situated to be a representation of stangation and alienation and eternal immaturity. Her emotional breakthroughs during all that would have hit a lot better if she had been mortal and now choosing to be able to age and grow and develop as a person instead of being stuck as a 19-year-old angsty goth for all eternity. Going back to being a vampire kind of steps back on that character growth in a major way, like if Fionna and Cake HAD ended with Simon becoming the Ice King again
The deities of suspension should stay that way instead if letting go into dead end mortality
Also I don’t see why she can’t grow and develop when she has all the time in the world to. Do we need the threat of a timer and our bodies decay to force growth?
On a metaphorical level, eternal youth is eternal *youth* and that means not maturing. Sure, if it were REAL then yeah, she'd have all the time in the world to grow and change, but her being a vampire is textual metaphoricalism for her being "stuck in the past" and "refusing to grow up".
I genuinely hate Adam Muto.
What a small world, huh?
I'm actually wondering about this a lot. How much of their city was real? How much of it is real now? How did they have moguls and plumbing and phones without countries and mines and economy?
It was basically a dream world in Simon's head. The characters never questioned why there was nothing beyond "midtown." I'm guessing when it became a real universe that the blanks were filled in to make sense of it all. It's weird to think about though. A bunch of people and places must've spontaneously popped into existence, but were also given a history and memories.
>A bunch of people and places must've spontaneously popped into existence, but were also given a history and memories.
to be fair that's what happened when IK reverted back to Simon too
He has a type. Can you really blame him?
Why did DJ Flame dump Fionna? And what does Fern have that Fionna doesn't?
Knowing the writers, Fionna manipulated him into fighting some old ice cream truck woman. Him ending up with fem Fern is just remaining faithful to the old tradition of side characters cucking Finn.
a bush
I know Fionnaworld isn't an exact parallel to Ooo, but I like to think Flame was a sheltered kid, and Fionna helped him get away from his controlling mom and find something that he truly enjoyed (DJ'ing)
However, the equivalent of "Frost and Fire" would be Fionna herself becoming very controlling over DJ Flame, which ended up with him rightfully dumping her.
I like to think she did somehow gaslight him into fighting the ice cream lady, partly because of how ridiculous it is, but also because it definitely sounds like the thing that would make DJ Flame finally dump Fionna, specially if he fought her in public, that must've been pretty bad for his reputation.
How and why would Fionna even convince DJ Flame to fight the Ice Cream Lady?
Oh no, he has autism.
yeah this franchise is never dying lol
The fun never ends, homosexual.
2 more seasons of fionna confirmed
if only lol
More like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=203OAQYDKNw
I expect a new release every 2-3 years, to keep the brand alive
Do people actually want this? The idea horrifies me
Let's see the big guys
Damn F&C really gave it a huge bump.
Reminds me of Netflix's Bee the gynoid.
>Bee the gynoid
What show is that. Is it about a robot?
It's the Bee and Puppycat reboot.
Like in the last thread, any anime/cartoons, or live actions show before the Mushroom Show can be remade by Simon for the Ooo audience.
how long before Scrabby proves to be an insufferable housemate and Prismo snaps
I am really gonna be dissapointed if nobody makes plushes of these 2
I have many questions.
It's cinnamon bun day.
I assumed one of them would complain to Fionna why they were never introduced to each other
That is odd honestly. With the convenience of your two best friends living in the same town/walking the same streets, it’d be hard not to have them end up meeting at some point. Let alone the fact they’re homosexual bachelors, Marshall would want to go where there’s food and Gary would be curious about the dude Fionna probably has been racking up drinking stories with.
I guess Fionna’s only known Marshall for a short while or else she would have run into Ellis before too
I want to see them cuddle
I wonder. Why does Huntress Wizard only wear one glove? Is it a hunting thing I don't know about? Is she a big Micheal Jackson fan?
Are you joking?
About the Micheal Jackson part yes, but I genuinely don't know why she only wears one glove.
Because a lot of archers wear one glove. But it doesn't make as much sense because she almost never uses a bow.
It's an bow/arrow thing I think. To improve grip and protect the fingers. I'm not an archer.
that and probably an aesthetic callback to falconry, although she doesn't really use a falcon she's got a lot of little design touches that reflect more of a vibe than a practical reality
Will muto ever make Simon get more b***hes?
but.....but shes.....but she's 9...
out of............................................ 9
Adding these here too
And you're welcome
>NO TONGUE.
These threads are moronic.
ALSO
HE FOUGHT A BEAR
BILLY!!!!!!
THE GREATEST WARRIOR EVAAHHH!!!
A HERO OF RENAAAAAWN
Why do people want to discuss this show? There's nothing worth discussing other than how shit it is.
what show do you watch?
I don't have any shows I'm watching. Last Cinemaphile show I watched was Regular Show, and I dropped it after the Season 6 finale pissed me off.
>last show is regular show
you don't watch cartoons don't you?
Why are you here?
I started watching it two months ago because I heard it was one of the big New 10s Cinemaphile shows along with Adventure Time, Steven Universe and Star Vs.
I want Bonnie to whip me.
I don't want to watch shows. I just want to complain about the shows I've already watched not satisfying me.
i tried to make Hunter Wizard on hero forge
bing ai goes hard
I hope the next serie has more Hunson Abadeer, if there is gonna be one.
What of him
I don't want Finn to die so young. Regardless of how heroic it would've been
I guess I missed the thread where people drew Simon, might as well post this here
frick it, I'll post this too
based and saved
wait, wait!! I forgot the buttons! save this instead!
why is marcy old? she's immortal.
Rewatching S1 clips last night and thinking about how vastly a different a show it was. But I don’t think that hyper energy and random humour could have been drawn out for long without becoming flanderized, and I wouldn’t have wanted it to end early to retain that single identity. I like each kind of adventure time:
Boyish dnd grossout slapstick -> S3-5 stoner teen chill weirdness and comedy -> s6 was an energetic lull inside and outside, AT was becoming old news at this point. I never really watched much of it -> later season charactergayging and lore development, just in the SU style where non-charactergay or lore episodes often suck, you kind of have to pick the seeds from the mush.
I wouldn’t sacrifice any of these adventure times, except s6 maybe for any of the others
I wish they kept Finn’s old habit of breaking into funky little dances.
May i request a remake of this picture but with Huntress Wizard and Flame Princess.
counter request. It's Huntress Wizard thinking about teen Finn and adult Finn
Neat and cute but a lot of those bettys and simons arent together
Does being around PB/Candy Kingdom keep the candy people stupid? Cinnamonbun got a lot more coherent when he started living in Fire Kingdom
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maybe PB puts that stupid serum in the water of the candy people
I think he gets fully cooked by being around fire
I’m rewatching AT right now and holy shit did Finn breaking up with Flame Princess really need to be the plot of like 3 episodes in a row
Yeah, the Frost & Fire–Too Old–Earth & Water triple wallop is basically the sole reason why people still complain about Adventure Time getting “taken over” by relationship drama
To be fair it is a really bad set of episodes. But it’s followed by Time Sandwich which is pretty good.
I love time sandwich so much
It was desperately needed after that 3 episode slogfest too
Who complains about shipping taking over a show? I've only seen people complain when the ships keep getting put in legitimate jeopardy or when they get broken up.
Maybe it isn’t so much nowadays, but this was a very common complaint for many years
I miss the Ice King instead of this sappy Simon shit.
Ice king was based, i wish we got to see him again.
Every happy fellow becomes sappy eventually.....
Honestly i think the one thing they need to bring back is for Marceline to teach Simon music. He's not ice king anymore but that shouldn't mean he can't pick it back up again.
I have seen more than one person mention how he was essentially murdered despite being a character outside of Simon, and the show never acknowledged it.
Gunter should’ve carried over Ice King’s memories when he put on the crown
IK didn't carry over dino-Gunter's memories though
I still don't understand what was going on with Elements and the idea that Betty needed to let go of Simon, parallelling her with Magic Man's doomed attempt to bring back his fiance, only for her to get what she wanted in the end anyway. It confuses me. Maybe I'm just being stupid.
>only for her to get what she wanted in the end anyway
I don't think she wanted to fuse with GOLB.
She still got her wish though and was even allowed to be self-sacrificing(even though Simon isn’t allowed to).
She got what she wanted at a terrible price.
The answer is: The adventure time team couldn't write for shit then, and arguably never could in the first place
Looking back Betty probably should’ve just stayed as someone that left Simon and then died in the Mushroom War
There are a LOT of baffling and amateur writing decisions that only make sense to someone whose writing experience only extends to shitty fanfics.
Pic related?
Martin's backstory works as a truth that only the audience knows and the characters won't, but the conclusion of their family wasn't as final as it could have been
It's hard to take people seriously when they do character analysis videos for this show. Talking about character development and trauma just looks silly juxtaposed with pictures of noodle armed tubes talking about making stories out of pancakes.
Is there a folder?
Of what?
The series
Probably. Look in the archives.
I did
Well there’s your answer then
Sorry about your AIDS anon
Kys Black person not everyone is gonna spoonfeed you
Go into Google, search: "Cinemaphile co archive"
Click on tbharchive
Search "Fionna mega"
You're welcome
What happened to ice king though
>Flame Princess fights in the Gum War on the side of a country that committed a terrorist attack against
>Not her kingdom, not her army, just her
Thats like if Joe Biden was on the frontlines in a battle between China and India, on the side of China, by himself
PB is a saint and can do no wrong and everyone knows it and loves her, chud
why didn't she bring an army tho? Why is the supreme leader of a country going in solo to fight in a war?
PB donked up her Flame Guardians
Pb’s satisfaction is worth dying in battle for because she’s so heckin valid, chud
She’s powerful. Why risk her soldiers for that
Flame Princess is the strongest Flame Person and the current Fire Elemental.
Do (You) think he found happiness after all was said and done?
No, he found a way to adjust.
I think so. Yeah he doesn't have his dream girl but there's still a life to live. He spent his whole time after becoming un-iced trying to get back to the past and now he can look forward. It probably wasn't immediate happiness but that's never instant. One step at a time
Idunno if anyone noticed but Winter King's song has a reference to this song from Santa Claus is Coming to Town
Which is kind of ironic considering Ice King was inspired by the Winter Warlock in the first place
>golbetty goes to reincarnate at the end of the series
>gold is outside of time and space so she could actually reincarnate in the past
Betty is Doctor Princess theory re-confirmed
What about Astrid?
this is the only artist who's allowed to draw human scarab
So uh, are they not gonna adress Finn pumping and dumping Bronwyn?
You've seen too much porn my dude.
he got TV's plump ass now he don't need that slag anymore
Stop daydreaming stop complaining and open up to your world
Great lesson for someone living in Ooo or in fantasy tumblr city, doesn't really do much for me living in this souless world ruled by corporations that do not give a shit about literally killing the world just to make more money is just too fricking late, and the one thing i got going for me is that fortunately i was just lucky enough to be born in a country that will hopefully remain peaceful enough for the rest of my life, so im gonna keep my escapism going, kinda like how finn's son and his gf escaped to fionna's world except more lame
agreed, Fionnaworld's message should've been "stop daydreaming stop complaining and overthrow capitalism" but the writers have no balls to say that
holy shit this art is awesome, source?
that one image is cooler than every single thing that happened in normie world in the actual show
https://twitter.com/Rena_Xu_artist/status/1709940505008857106
yeah, and these are just inktober drawings
thank you
samegay
Well Fionna and Marshal Lee are protesting his mom, so there's something
The reason there's was an imbalanced power dynamic was because Simon was a professor and Betty was just a student. That's why she ended up harming herself to appease him, that's like the entire point of the backstories. Their relationship wasn't healthy for either even if they thought they wanted it.
You are trolling so hard right now
The love was there, but it blinded them.
It was meant to be, but it wasn't meant to last.
I think that might, all trollish insincerity aside, be the one part of that finale emotional stuff that was the hardest for me to process emotionally, the idea that "we were beautiful, and now we are done, and we are on different paths, and you have so much to see and do without me before you are done", because we're programmed with this "together forever" mindset from the cultural background christianity but honestly yeah you should be able to move on from love but that's really hard
Wasn't Simon ALSO a student. He said he was "studying to become an antiquarian". And Betty was already doing field research. I think they were both in the same field but Simon is just the big dick on campus because he's published so Betty came to one of his talks
"She ended up harming herself to appease him" is right about where I realized they were not being sincere
If I had to guess, the way this series recontextualized their relationship is probably just more of the writers dumping their relationship problems onto cartoon characters. And it kinda just barely clicked this time so nobody is calling them out for it.
And by student I mean postgrad
if you're giving lectures you're not a student. professors gotta study too for titles
>The reason there's was an imbalanced power dynamic was because Simon was a professor and Betty was just a student.
Stuff like this makes me want America's intellectual elite to get nuked
what if the crown turned into a sword and Simon didn't become IK again but he got a really cool crown-sword
Finn sword but instead of Finn it's just ice king inside giving Simon bad advice.
LSP should fist Fionna
I'm gonna miss you bros. We had our disagreements but it was a fun time. I only came back to Cinemaphile to discuss this show but there aren't anymore western cartoons I wanna watch so I guess this is it.
I'll be back in November if Scott Pilgrim anime discussion is allowed here.
You had me ctrl+fing for a "please no more F&C threads" mod post but I guess we aren't that relevant
Anyways, same to you, this has been fun, I'm gonna keep deep diving into AT obsession for a while
>pseudo-generals finally getting deleted
thank god
It's because it was a coom op with incest porn posted immediately and then b***hing. That yellow dog needed to be taken behind the shed
NOOO MY THREAD
Next time don't make a thread with your dick in your hand.
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