>first 4 minutes is about how war is le good and how soldiers found it cool
What the frick?
>first 4 minutes is about how war is le good and how soldiers found it cool
>first 4 minutes is about how war is le good and how soldiers found it cool
What the frick?
>rest of the movie is about how horrible and brutal war is
Oh ok, that's the frick
I like the part where they cheerfully recount how they just casually ran through the pockets of POWs and stole their israeliteelry. Kek, what a bunch of Black folk.
for me it was the part where they finally made it to the German trench and then mowed down the surrendering machine-gunners out of pure rage
it's hard to blame them
i don't blame them in the slightest, many of them watched their buddies get shredded by those same MGs
Colorizing old film like this is disgusting. And the whole making them move with computer tricks is such a tasteless gimmick, same with shit like generating fake frames to up the framerate.
I think it brings people closer to the reality of the past.
I love it. humanises the people in the grainy and badly timed footage.
one of my favourites showing the same street journey side by side seperated by 113 years.
bringing history to life like this is probably the most respectful thing jackson could've done, it brought their suffering to life and gave us an incredible insight into how insane it was
>war was so cool, we were getting shelled, sleeping in mud, eating three-year-old french biscuits, getting dysentery, getting gassed, drowning in mud whenever it rained, getting trench foot, shitting our guts out on a wooden pole, getting shot multiple times while storming trenches
>it was great, would do it again
Was this really the peak of entertainment for ww1oomers
alot of soldier unironically thought going to war would be fun back then, it was seen as an adventure, they ofcourse realised pretty quickly once one the front lines that trench warfare was horrible
Makes me think whether war really did get so much worse than before in WW1 as people say, or if it's simply that WW1 was the first time a war had been recorded in such detail for the future.
The main cause of death prior to WW1 wasn't enemy fire; it was disease. So yeah, once antiseptics became common and surgical procedures advanced, you truly began to see horrors beyond your comprehension.
Medieval wars were just long ass camping trips where the biggest threat was dysentery and infection. Hardly any levies or troops saw combat.
Still there's all that warring from the early modern period on until WW1 where the scale and intensity of warfare grew that people had a romanticized idea of
What's that semicolon doing there?
Not that anon, but the semicolon can join two independent clauses that are related in content. So this wouldn't work:
>Jurassic Park is overrated; some languages don't differentiate between green and blue.
But you could use a comma and a conjunction for unprepared topics:
>Jurassic Park is overrated, and some languages don't differentiate between green and blue.
Saying:
>The main cause of death prior to WW1 wasn't enemy fire; it was disease.
Is a valid sentence construction, as the content in either clause relates to causes of death prior to WWI. It just looks odd because the semicolon is a fussy, SAT type of punctuation that has fallen out of everyday usage.
I thought the second part after the semicolon had to form a complete sentence
“It was disease” is a fragment and I’d argue putting a hyphen instead of a semicolon would work better
Don't worry anon only tools and lawyers use a semi colon
This topic interests me greatly; I enjoy using hyphens and semicolons in my posts.
it was mainly because WW1 was the first big war to be extensively documented and reported on, WW1 was definitely exceptionally bad but before it the general public didn't really understand how bad wars could be at all, men in wars died nobley, victory was certain for those with god on their side, the only pictures of battle people saw was paintings of the brave cavalry charging down the enemy, no one heard about the rampant disease, having to endure a hail of war arrows, the terror at seeing knights on horseback charging at you, the screaming of the injured and dying, the treatment of POWs, being on the losing side and fleeing for your life getting lost in a foreign hostile country with no food and no way home
All of this was already being recorded by at least the napoleonic wars. British political cartoonists drew cartoons about how soldiers were dying to starvation and disease by hundreds of thousands in Russia.
>first time a war had been recorded in such detail for the future.
Lmao way to out yourself as a historylet. Wars had been already recorded in good detail for centuries. Thanks to hundred years of industrialization people were just able to kill other people a lot more efficiently than before. War, which had before advanced europe so much that they were able to conquer rest of the planet, had become so efficient that it turned against europeans. That's what the whole "WE MVST RETVRN TO TRADITION" chudness of early 20th century was about. Europe's biggest tool for advancement had turned against them.
I'm sure people in the early 20th century were all very knowledgeable about the facts of historical warfare
Probably not for your average young boy and man who grew up in a small town.
That's what I mean. Listening to those old boomers in the documentary it seems pretty clear.
Civil War in US was the first war of this kind, with trenches, machine guns and artillery fire.
the fact that there were bayonet and horse charges at the start of the war should tell you just how much it had changed. most people had no clue how bad it was until after the war and returning soldiers didnt talk about it because society didn't care
it was a hellish meat grinder unlike anything that had ever been seen before
We have records of medieval knights and men-at-arms saying they fricking loved warfare and killing each other.
The difference in attitude between a conscript (or even a non-professional volunteer) and a professional military man is massive. People forgets that, for most of human history, conscription didn't exist as a formal institution and everybody involved in fights was there voluntarily doing their job.
the same knight would absolutely hate lying in a wet trench while being shelled for months on end, WWI sucked for absolutely everyone except maybe the pilots
>WWI sucked for absolutely everyone except maybe the pilots
GOGGLES ON CHOCKS AWAY LAST ONE BACK'S A HOMO
Maybe we are just bad at war now? Ranged weaponry is cringe
we're way too good at war, proper powers can't even fight directly anymore because they'd annihilate eachother. it's just proxy wars in shitholes now
>too good at war
>as shown by avoiding combat
Ya I dunno about that one chief
i literally explained why in the very same post. we can use the word "effective" if you like that better
>i'm the best at defeating my enemies......
>y-yeah that means running way too lol
have a nice day
That is true too, many wars were fought between "professionals" (read: psychos/sociopaths who are naturally built to enjoy fighting). Conscription and drafts are a newer thing.
Studies indicate that almost all of the killing in modern warfare (from WW1/WW2) is perpetrated by only 10% of the men, the guys who are actually built for and driven by killing
>Studies indicate that almost all of the killing in modern warfare (from WW1/WW2) is perpetrated by only 10% of the men, the guys who are actually built for and driven by killing
Yeah, the guys manning the artillery hahaha
Conscription did exist it was just called ‘levying’ but it wasn’t as widespread.
>t. French knight at Agincourt
Truth be told as awful as WW1 was a lot of the horror and drama came from media made after the war or civilians. A lot of guys just kind of saw it as happening. From what I’ve read that seems to be a trend in war. It can be bad but it can also be really boring, or people just see it as events unfolding around them in the world; all the drama is for the theater. Even Ernest Hemingway with his “in modern war you die for no good reason” quote went back to WW2 as a reporter out of a desire for it and started LARPing as Patton marching around German POWs.
>media and civilians after the war
no they neglected veterans and didn't talk about it, it took a very long time for people to realize just how fricked it was. 20k british soldiers died in just *one* day during the battle of the somme, it was fricking hell on earth
By 1914 UK has not been involved in an actual large scale war for almost 100 years (since Napoleon). At the same time there were all these stories going around about valiant soldiers going off to some shithole colony in India or Africa and winning amazing victories against all odds while earning plunder and promotions. The boys in 1914 thought they would just hop on over to old Europe, win some memorable battle and be home by Christmas with a majors promotion and a pouch of silver shillings on their belt.
The frick is the crimean war, you dumb Black person
Britain maintained a small professional army and never needed more than that until 1915, really 1916. Crimea and the Boer War didnt require millions of regular seasons pressed into duty.
People forget that in its imperial heydey between the formation of the Raj in 1858 and the end of the Second World War that there were hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of British people who had basically zero association with the home isles. If you were a soldier stationed overseas and wanted to make a career of it you might not go back to Great Britain for twenty years.
All that to say the realities of the army and land warfare never rated in the broader British public consciousness because there wasn't many people involved in it. The Navy was an entirely different story.
hitler wrote in mein kampf how happy he was when the war broke out
Even to this day, with half the society being pacifist hippies and thousands of ways to do research on the horrors of war, hundreds of men enlist voluntarily thinking that being in the army will be cool.
And the only reason it isn't is because of petty social issues.
Wait until you read Storm of Steel lmao
One of the most kino passages I've ever read in my life was from that book
>Then I caught sight of the first of the enemy. A figure crouched, wounded apparently, three metres in front of me in the middle of the pounded hollow of the road. I saw him start at the sight of me and stare at me with wide-open eyes as I walked slowly up to him holding out my revolver in front of me. A drama without an audience was ready. To me the mere sight of an enemy in tangible form was a release.
>Grinding my teeth, I pressed the muzzle to the temple of this wretch, whom terror had now crippled, and with my other hand gripped hold of my tunic. With a beseeching cry he snatched a photograph from his pocket and held it before my eyes... himself, surrounded by a numerous family. I forced down my mad rage and walked past. . . .
Pathetic. The imagination of officers is a joke. Total cowards.
>spend all day fricking around with the lads
>shoot as many brown people as you want
>not fun
American ranks these days are filled with Black folk, spics, and white trash from the south.
enemies on BOTH sides??
I see what they mean by war not being so black and white
That's the mentality most people went into wwi with. You gotta understand that for more than a generation, uropeens' concept of war was 'let's drop in some third world shithole and wave our guns around while helpless natives can't do shit about'
That's what war was. Going to some tropical paradise and having fun.
WWI was a wakeup call and it took soldiers a year or two to realize 'wait, both us and the enemy has technological advancements capable of more destruction than ever before' and high command got the memo even later on.
>murrican education
he's right about the adventure part, lots of young men were excited about the war and even lied about their age to enlist. took a long time for people to realize what a hell it was
They didnt have Saving Private Ryan, All Quiet On The Western Front, Platoon, A Farewell To Arms. Their notion of war was one of former glory, it was what you did as a kid in the woods, playing cowboy and indians with sticks. Like you said, it took about 2 years before people started to realise that the people who went to the front, came back in caskets, sometimes only a letter. Whole generations of men disappeared from villages and townships.
You cant project our 21th century anti-war mentality onto the men that went to war at the turn of the century, they had an entirely different idea of war than we have, a childs idea of war, at least for the first years of the war. Only people who had seen war or the direct effects of it could say any different.
but i agree with you 100%, im not blaming men for being naive and adventurous at all. it could've been any of us if we were brought up then
nah I was just adding to your point, I wasnt arguing with you, I'm not the guy you replied to in your initial post
Just enroll in a mass ritual sacrifice bro you'll love it honest
Great documentary.
Great moment. How everything just clicks after the transition to the modernized footage and suddenly it all registers as real and you see the personality in every face.
Is it possible to do this with cheap computer software?
I’d like to give a crack at this with some digitized old family videos.
look up video frame interpolation, maybe AI upscaling tools,
yes. Peter Jackson used windows movie maker free trial to make this film
Very kino shot.
The first year of the war didnt see much trench warfare like we know WW1 as. Secondly, and this is a part of war that alot of people is oblivious to when studying wars of the past.
War was a great opportunity for alot of young men. You're a 21 year old man without alot of prospects, working on some farm of buttfrick nowhere and the most exciting thing you've seen all your life is maybe a barn fire. You didnt have TV, you didnt have radio, you didnt have internet, you didnt have recorded music. If you could read you maybe had a bible because libraries was rare.
Life was quiet and boring. A war meant you got to travel and get paid at the same time. All your friends are going and you have little to no preconcieved notions about the horrors of war. In your head, war is charging the enemy and whacking them across the head with a sword and claiming victory.
Young men wanted to go to war because it was probably the most exciting thing you'd do all your life and you didnt want to miss out on it.
Trench warfare was really only a thing on the western front. I mean they dug trenches everywhere in general, but those moronic machine gun charges into no man's land wasn't the sole theater of war.
>you didnt have recorded music. If you could read you maybe had a bible because libraries was rare.
lmao, Black person did you forget that great britain was literally the nexus of the civilized world at the turn of the last century?
the young men joining up weren't iliterate, medieval serfs, most of them were highly educated with families and careers, they went because they were conscripted
I doubt most were highly educated with careers. I think most were from small villages and towns.
>he thinks most british men around the turn of the century lived like upper class bachelors in lavishly decorated penthouses with gramophones and libraries.
Conscription didnt come into effect untill 1916
Zero class consciousness lmao. Get educated, bruv.
looks fun as frick
War looks awesome. That's it, I'm enlisting.
>Tfw watching ukraine war footage of the same stuff, but from the vantage of a drone about to drop a grenade right on top of them
Imagine being a 1914 peasant and going to WW1 and seeing shit like this.
>even the german pows warned the british soldiers about the prussians
They didn't seem to like them at all.
THis will be a short and easy war
>we're in the FILMS now, boys
Holodomor movie when?
You can watch a israelite-perpetrated genocide live on tv right now if you want.
enough about the Russia's special military operation
Meds
Oh right. Two israelite-driven genocides.
It's really important that white people die to make Zion and Khazaria whole again. Even if it destroyed your economy and took the lives of your whole family, that's worth it right?
there were heroes on both sides
blows my mind that this is a fake frame. went nearly my whole life thinking it was real
>UK army finds 90% of bombs miss their targets
>chooses to bomb civilians instead so all hit their targets
Woah
>tfw that short dude isn't a manlet... it's a 13 year old kid
no it's a manlet goblin m8
I can't feel sorry for a moron.
>Making fun of manlets is a joke as old as time.
When will they learn?
They shall not grow tall.
kek, these lads had pretty good humor. You can tell from their recounts.
>war is fun and exciting
no, it's not
But there must be war.
t Never played a video game or been to war
war is pretty fricking boring 99.9% of the time
correct
wow women have it so hard comapred to men
>no ear protection
What?
What?!
YOU WONT NOTICE IT AFTER A DAY
I DONT
It's alright, they can't hear a thing
Probably answered already but prior to WW1, there was a romanticized idea of war among western nations that saw it as purely honorable, heroic, and a rite of passage for true men.
What they did not realize is that this would be the first major conflict between nations after the inventions of things like machine guns, artillery, poison gas, etc., and war was no longer about men bravely meeting head to head on a battlefield, but turned into an absolute meat grinder. No one knew what was coming.
Combat was a great way to improve your station in life until large swaths of men are getting obliterated, mangled, disfigured, etc. via by all t he things you mentioned in a blink of an eye.
its funny how each side during WW1 basically had a mad scientist that would just come up with novel ways to kill people. sneezing powder (a lot worse than it sounds, could literally kill you), gas, etc
for me it was how they built things. everything is so robust and heavy, thick iron and steel with these massive rivets. even by the second world war things were so much lighter and faster that in comparison. Great War machinery seems as outdated in comparison with WW2 equipment as modern equipment does from its WW2 counterparts.
and the battlefields are awe inspiring in scale. I went to Verdun a few years ago and I just couldn't believe the size of it. and the forts are out of a different world.
it was a really bizarre time for technology. they were really just throwing anything at the wall
pic related
It was truly IRL steampunk
They didn't know, they thought they would win by christmas. Same with ww2, most of usa wanted to invade japan, but they declared war on germany too.
It was probably pretty fun a lot of the time. Have you ever talked to veterans who didn't get horrifically burned or broken? It's always a lot of fond memories of goofin off with the lads.
but that's unrelated to the actual war bit, anything is fun with the lads. humans are amazing at coping with shit situations
Men are instinctually, genetically built for war. We desire it. It's cathartic, it's competitive, it's glorious. Not constantly, but on occasion.
The problem with modern warfare is that it's contradictory to our urges. The motivation to fight is still there, but there is nothing engaging or glorious about sitting in a dirty wet trench getting shot and shelled by faceless distant entities for 24 hours a day. That's where things went awry and that's why we hate it now.
The days of going out there and smashing people in your general vicinity are no longer.
most soldiers in ancient warfare would route if the front flanks began to falter, because they realized
>oh shit I'm might have to actually fight
which is a factor in many unlikely tactical victories against numerically superior foes. Only a select few humans are naturally predisposed to be effective soldiers as you describe, the rest do not naturally enjoy fighting (killing is another matter) and must be extensively trained for it.
But you still admit they have the urge to try to fight. They're just naturally too cowardly to be effective, two competing instincts. Men desire a good battle, but when the chips are down the cream rises to the top.
Most soldiers historically LOVED warfare when they were WINNING, cutting down retreating people, raping and pillaging, epicly owning the enemy, its obviously not fun and horrible when the shoe is on the other foot
>Jackson did not receive any fee for the making of the film. Although only a small part of it was used, Jackson's crew visually restored all 100 hours of footage the Imperial War Museums sent them for free, "just to get their archive in better shape"
>1999-2001
I want to go back LOTR bros
>war is le good and how soldiers found it cool
this but unironically
High test.
>marathon the first 4 minutes
Ok time for a break, what a good movie
I still find it amazing it took until Korea/Vietnam for the manly glamor and romanization of war to be broken.
There's no glory in getting blown apart for people that don't even know you exist.
theres always glory in war. even if its a pointless war
the title makes it sound like they'll never die.
Ballad of Bill Hubbard