>first, I shall confer with my trusty advisor, Traiter "The Untrustworthy" Mcbackstabber
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>first, I shall confer with my trusty advisor, Traiter "The Untrustworthy" Mcbackstabber
Mocking LOTR is the brownest thing imaginable.
>literally not an argument
>literally /misc/ cope from an inferior mind
whoa this is the power of the "master race"
>master race
i'm just being me, I wake up and here I am.
That wasn't an argument anon. It was a value judgment.
he's admonishing you for being so lame
I mean, Wormtonge is just a moniker he revived after poisoning the kings mind. Otherwise he had a normal name. That a bit like saying "I can't trust this guy because he's called Bob, son of Steve".
>Otherwise he had a normal name
>Hmm, what shall I name a character that is very very dirty, unclean, grimy even. Ha I've got it!
Historically, people did that all the bloody time, dimwit.
did you WATCH the movie though? or read the books even?
> the character being bewitched made an illogical decision!!
Tolkien btfo
He was completely under his spell and unaware of what he was doing, like boomers smitten with Israel.
>The bad guy is called Sorrow-Man... No that's too obvious
>How about... Sarro-Man? No... Perhaps...
His name was Wyrmtongue in the original Filipino-Tagalog version that Tolkien wrote in the 1700s. Wyrms are badass and it was a different time.
you may be into something there, in Tolkien's lore there's several mentions to powerfull dragons-like Wyrms that are too big and heavy to fly, he refers to them as Worms in the Silmarillion
>he refers to them as Worms in the Silmarillion
"Worm" is just an old name for dragons, moron
Smaug is called a worm multiple times
and the word worm is a deformation of an ancient word Wyrm (snake, serpent) which relates to the ancient concept of dragon. What I was trying to say is Wormtongue may not be a derogative name in its entirety, probably he was called Wormtongue because he was elusive and scheming, like the old dragons, moron
ah yes my trusted advisor Schemington "The Enemy's Spy" Machiavelli, I'm sure he will always be honest with me
Funny because Niccolo Machiavelli was a respected statesman.
I'm sure by the time he earned that name he was already fully lodged into Theoden's side. Probably the people in the court knew he was corrupt and manipulative, but not to the extent of being into Saruman's payroll. There's recurrent aspect in LOTR with human traitors and spies, even kingdoms, working for Mordor or Saruman not fully knowing they're basically helping the extermination of Man. To them it's all about power, money or ancient rivalries
It might seem silly but please start paying attention.
How did Grima come close to Theoden anyway?
A cowardly witless worm like him would have been booted out by Rohan's other nobility, Theodred and even Eomer.
Did Saruman just mind control him remotely on a whim?
Theoden even says to him that he wasn't always like that and tries to make him recall who he used to be, which causes him to kill Saruman. Grima's last name was not actually Wormtongue, it was a nickname given to him by others who saw his treacherous ways. But yes, he was a normal person before him and the king started getting corrupted. Then of course the king would protect him from others and punish them if they did anything to him.
He got the position thanks to the affirmative action program for people of Dunlending ancestry
Anon you could have just said his name, Efrom Shekelberg
It's a moniker, not his actual name
Oh look it's Wolfy Wolfman, I wonder what his secret is?
You have to admit, it's a cool name.
>the dark lord Satan has returned
>I must seek the council of the wise wizard Sataran
>Country full of slavers pirates and muslims attacking innocent christians? I know just the name.
His name is 'Gríma, son of Gálmód', wormtongue's just a thing he gets called by his dislikers because of his recognised deceitfulness.
His name is Grimy you say?