>Flash flopped
>Shazam 2 flopped
>Black Adam flopped
>Wonder Woman 84 flopped
>Birds of Prey flopped
>The Suicide Squad flopped
Is Cinemaphile ready to vindicate Snyder now?
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>Flash flopped. >Shazam 2 flopped. >Black Adam flopped. >Wonder Woman 84 flopped. >Birds of Prey flopped
>tfw I disliked all his movies EXCEPT ZSJL
The one time he lands for me it's the 4 hour director's cut released after he got fired that I watched on a whim
Same. All of his movie before ZSJL barring Dawn of the Dead sucked, all of his movies afterward sucked.
The problem isn't that no one understands Zack Snyder's movies, it's that he thinks no one understands them. He hammers themes in repetitiously and without subtlety. His movies are basically Michael Bay with an unearned condescension. He'd be better if he wasn't so damn aware of the audience.
I often compare the intro of Raised by Wolves to the penis pods in Man of Steel. Raised by Wolves was beautifully realized. Snyder's was crass and blunt.
how does he keep getting work
His movies made a lot of money
Seems like they have trouble breaking even.
He has good visuals, even if any of the symbolism is really surface level generic shit.
He just needs to be kept far far away from the writing table.
>>The Suicide Squad flopped
Why'd you add in this one when it was objectively a hit?
He refers to the James cuck one
I always liked his movies as an Elsewords.
Well that's what he intended them to be. He never meant for it to be a long running franchise. It was supposed to be a series of 5 movies with some spinoffs.
>a series of 5 movies with some spinoffs
Sounds like a long running franchise to me
>Man of Steel had AT BEST a tepid response from audiences, made less than Iron Man 3
>Batman v Superman holds the record for 2nd weekend box office drop, fails to make a billion at the height of the super hero movie boom when shit like Captain Marvel of all things reaches a billion
>Justice League bombs in theaters
>a small but obnoxiously loud cult founded on ironic memes manages to convince WB to let Snyder remake JL and with the benefit of hindsight and not having to worry about a run time manages to get okay reviews but doesn’t move the needle at all for HBO Max subscriptions
…no? Look I appreciate the fact that Snyder was taking the shit seriously and wasn’t constantly winking and nodding at the camera but the man can not tell a coherent story to save his life. The sooner we all move on from his DC the happier everyone will be.
>why has no one pointed out how horrible and awful taste it was for both WB and especially Snyder to use his daughter’s suicide as an excuse for him getting booted off Justice League? Like what the frick
it cannot be understated how much of a underperformance BVS is.
The first ever live-action meeting of Batman/Superman, the first film appearance of Wonder Woman, being a prequel to the first ever Justice League movie, with an opening of 420 million should not have failed to make AT LEAST 1 billion dollars. Yet Snyder achieve it.
If they hadn’t neutered the ultimate edition and didn’t reveal so much in the trailers then it probably could’ve squeezed a billion
>If they hadn’t neutered the ultimate edition
Snydergays truly are moronic beyond all hope.
So we can’t say the ultimate edition is better than theatrical without being called a snydergay? kys
>So we can’t say the ultimate edition is better than theatrical without being called a snydergay?
Correct. And if you're a Snydergay, you're not a person, so nothing you say matters. Renounce Snyder and return to humanity or swallow a bullet and end your suffering now.
The ultimate edition fixes none of the real problems of BvS. The whole this is built on a foundation of sand.
So your reason for not liking Snyder is box office return? You're an odd fellow.
My reason for not liking Snyder is that he can’t tell a coherent story, which is, Y’know, pretty goddamn important in making movies. OP’s post was stating that we should all forgive Snyder because the vast majority of DC films after his departure have underperformed and I pointed out that the DC movies under Snyder also underperformed, arguably much worse considering the movies he made had fricking Batman and Superman.
That seems to be OP's reason for liking him
>OP says we should like Snyder because other movies underperformed
>Anon points out Snyder's movies also underperformed
>What an odd reason for not liking him
Ok then.
>the man can not tell a coherent story to save his life.
BvS extended says otherwise. If MoS was extended I bet it'd be good too.
considering that his movies seem to improve by having unreasonably large lengths, maybe he should consider making tv series instead.
You shouldn't need 3 and a half hours for your film to make sense. The extended cut isn't that much better either and it still contains everything people didn't like about BvS. I know you guys comfort yourselves by saying nobody understands the Martha scene (yeah we all know Citizen Kane "rosebud" we get it) the main problem with that scene is that the delivery from all the actors is just terrible.
if bvs extended cut was the one released in theaters the reaction would have been exactly the same, hell worse because it would be even longer
I watched both pretty well back to back, I pirated the theatrical cut and watched it like a week before the extended cut dvd came out and I honest to god could not see a difference between the two. The only thing I noticed was in the extended cut Superman actually looked like he was attempting to save someone after he let the Capital explode before moping away. Other than that? No difference. Not trolling, not trying to be contrarian, but I just do not see how those two versions are so drastically different. You people act like it’s the difference between the theatrical cut of Blade Runner and the Final Cut…anyone who’s not a Snyderautist wanna chime in on that? Am I just crazy or was it the same movie?
They extend the opening and help explain why anyone would believe Superman killed anyone in Africa by setting them on fire. Still doesn't explain why they used Lexcorp brand bullets
I mean he definitely killed at least one person, that guy holding Lois hostage I don’t think could survive getting creamed thru a wall by Superman
Oh yeah. Superman doesn't even give him a chance to give up. Just smirks like a psychopath and puts him through three brick walls
Which is funny because Snyder spent years defending the Zod neck snap by saying it taught Superman to not kill (why Superman would need to kill to learn killing’s bad…?) and the very first thing Superman does in Snyder’s next movie is fricking obliterate a normal human being.
Snydergays will claim that guy survived being smashed through 2 brick walls.
Snyder just likes heroes who kill offhandedly.
>Snyder spent years defending the Zod neck snap by saying it taught Superman to not kill
I know this word is thrown around a lot online, but reading that interview where he said that made me think he's legitimately a sociopath. Someone saying they need an "origin story" for not committing murder is actual mental illness.
I mean this is the guy who said people were living in a dream world for wanting innocent superheroes, so....
He just flew the guy out
If he actually slammed into the guy he would have flown right through him
>he’s just sleeping. Look at the guy all tuckered out
I mean it's simple logic made obvious by the fact that there wasn't a big red mist when Superman carried him out
Unless you think the terrorist's body was stronger than concrete walls and Superman did slam into him, in which case maybe he was right to?
Simple logic implies that being shot through a brick wall at incredibly high speeds would kill someone.
They are not drastically different, is just that the extended cut has Clark acting like a human while the theatrical has just a cardboard cutout. That and Lex is way more evil.
To this day, I will never understand why they jumped right into a crossover movie instead of making Man of Steel 2 and set up whatever they wanted.
It's nothing new for WB. They have always been the quick buck chasers. They fricked with Donner over Superman 2 even though the first film made over a billion on today's money.
WB saw the amount of money Avengers pulled in out of pretty well no where and went “oh shit we need to catch up” and Snyder saw an opportunity to at least sort of make a Dark Knight Returns movie
Warner Bros was late to the superhero cinematic universe party and wanted everything done right now without any of the teasing of buildup. This is made even worse when they have an utter manchild oversee it all trying to cram in as many bookend type stories from the comics into some weird, edgy Frankenstein. The Knightmare shit alone is just the stupidest fricking concept imaginable.
They wanted MCU money
Keep in mind they were playing catchup because they started post-Avengers meaning no matter what they were always gonna be second place, this is on top of the fact that the MCU was getting 2 movies yearly compared to the massive fricking gap between MoS and BvS and the fact that the THIRD FRICKING MOVIE they put out was Suicide Squad, they really didn't plan out shit
The same reason they used Man of Steel as the basis in the first place: they wanted to be where Marvel was, and they wanted to be there so soon that there was no time to do anything but use what they already had.
v Superman holds the record for 2nd weekend box office drop, fails to make a billion at the height of the super hero movie boom when shit like Captain Marvel of all things reaches a billion
>Braindead plebbitor who believes in paid fake articles about Captain Marvel making a billion
Go back Black person
>Braindead plebbitor who believes in paid fake articles about Captain Marvel making a billion
Yes and Hillary was robbed of the election
The cost of reading Alan Moore comics
At least his movies made profit I guess.
It's insane to me that out of all the mediocre directors in the world it's Snyder who developed a cult-like following
Waititi has even more obsessive fans.
What the frick was he trying to achieve then?
He succeeded at making dumb movies that dumb people think are smart.
>Making dumb movies that dumb people think are smart
Isn’t this just the normal Hollywood agenda now? Doesn’t every director nowadays want to make the next Glass Onion or Everything Everywhere?
comics were better before Alan Moore, Frank Miller and Neil Gaiman got involved
No,never
Two things can be bad.
>completely fricks up laying the foundation of the DCEU
>leaves the franchise a failed laughingstock
>second wave of movies building on this fail even harder
As always: frick Snyder.
Don't forget that Blue Beetle and Aquaman 2 haven't come out yet and are also going to flop.
that will be 100% gunn's fault though.
Personally I'm going to blame the people who actually made the movies, but that's just me
Of course you're going to blame others. Snyder hasn't had anything to do with DC for 6 years and you're still blaming him.
You even blame Gunn's the Suicide Squad on Snyder.
>blaming the ones who actually made the movies is blaming others
Gunn making his brand new superman announcement right after the release of black adam threw the movies released afterwards under the bus, because nothing they did matters anymore since their boss wants to do something different. Nothing stopped him from making his announcement after aquaman 2, even cavill showed he would be willing to keep quiet about his exit considering he only confirmed it after gun announced it publicly.
Honestly I think the only movie that has a chance is blue beetle, and that's mainly because of the cobra kai fandom.
Are there really still Snydergays alive in the wild? Or is this just sad trolling?
Batman crushes a guy with the Batmobile who is literally just trying to guard a valuable object Batman wants to steal.
Snydergays don't care about Snyder, they care about the IP he uses. Otherwise you wonder why his Army of the Dead movie failed to take off at the supposed height of his popularity with the SnyderCut released the same year
>Otherwise you wonder why his Army of the Dead movie failed to take off at the supposed height of his popularity with the SnyderCut released the same year
Probably because the studio wouldn't let him stick in the zombie rape like he wanted.
As much as any stupid plot turn, Snyder deserves mockery for his incredibly shitty casting choices. It sabotaged the DCEU as much as anything.
What a horrid collection of semi-talents, no-talents and outright creeps.
>Boring uncharismatic Fatman
>Stick figure with zero acting ability WW
>Handsome but boring as frick Superman
>An angry Black in a wtf "costume"
>The cringiest xir available as Flash
>Caveman dudebro goofus mutt Aquaman
>and you. the viewer.
He really didn't sabotage anything. The other DCEU movies had very little connection to his movies. Suicide Squad failed and the only connection it had to Snyder was Affleck for like one scene. Same thing for Birds of Prey, Peacemaker, and The Suicide Squad, Shazam, Shazam 2, and Black Adam (seriously the only connection to Snyder in this movie was a cameo at the very end). Joker and the Batman weren't even connected to the DCEU. Blue Beetle won't have shit to do with it either.
Aquaman, Wonderwoman, and Flash were the only other DCEU movies that starred actors casted by Snyder, and the former 2 were both successful.
>He really didn't sabotage anything.
Movies don't exist in a vacuum and Snyder poisoned the well. His failures ruined the DC brand with audiences and helped kill what came after.
Yeah sure his failures (which made profits) poisoned the well, and not Suicide Squad, or BoP, or Shazam 2 (all box office failures and did not make profits). Sure. Only Snyder is at fault. Not David Ayer's fault. Not Cathy Yan's fault. Only Snyder.
NTA but the guy that sets the tone gets the blame.
>Yeah sure his failures (which made profits) poisoned the well
>UM AKSHUALLY if you make $1 more than you spent by definition you made profit!
Yes, failures.
is right: BVS was a titanic frickup. Two biggest characters in the world in a movie for the first time, should have been a guaranteed monster, instead barely limped in anything.
Yes poisoned the well. MOS, BVS, JL, each one eking out some little profit while alienating more and more audiences and garnering worse and worse reputations. They killed any enthusiasm or optimism people had about DC movies.
>Only Snyder.
Yes, only Snyder. The dark enemy, the un-creator. Only Snyder, categorically incapable of making a competent, let alone good, film. Only Snyder. Always only Snyder, now and forever.
I think his movies are good as movies but not a good representation of how the characters should be.
No?
He sucks, and he didn't get the material.
He isn't a secret genius that only you can see. He made critically reviled movies that were rejected by fans, based on interpretations that are largely rejected.
He's a great cinematographer, and that's it. He should have never got the big chair.
>No you don't understand the genius of the scene Bruce finally realized Clark was human.
Except then Bruce goes and kills bad humans anyway.
Affleckbats never stops trying to kill people, he's using his car machineguns on a traffic packed city thoroughfare in Flash.
Bale's Batman shot a dude with a rocket. What's with your weird hateboner for Snyder?
Which guy? I'm not saying it didn't happen, just when?
End of Dark Knight Rises. Dude driving the truck.
I'm going to let you in on a secret.
You can have superheroes kill mooks so long as you don't call attention to it. Snyder called attention to it. He made it a major theme of the movie.
Hit the nail on the end. Like at worst you have some scenes of Burton Batman exploding people with slapstick-like bombs or causing someone to fall to their death. Snyder outright has him outright machine-gun mowing down goons and worse is that it's for no real reason too.
Every cinematic Batman is an intentional, purposeful murderer except funnily enough the ultra-dark Reeves Batman (which Cinemaphile also has an autistic hateboner for due to muh grittiness)
>Keaton Batman murders scores of people and straps a bomb to a dude's chest
>Kilmer kills Riddler
>Clooney kills the franchise
>Bale kills Ra's, Dent, and Talia and a bunch of her goons
>Affleck murders scores of people
see
Bale's Batman called direct attention to it in both Begins and TDK. Begins goes out of its way to show you Batman's rationale for killing Ra's and the entire ending stretch of TDK only happens because Batman kills Dent
What you REALLY mean is that you think that you can have superheroes kill and call direct attention to it provided you accept the narrative payoff (though you're as much of a psycho for accepting Begins' payoff as anyone simping for Affleck's Batman)
If BvS Batfleck actually did have a scene towards the end where he managed to go back to instilling a no-kill rule then the narrative properly contextualizes his killing as a phase. But post-Martha he goes into the Warehouse scene and kills everyone so he's pretty much on the level of Keaton (who is also a trash take on Batman outside of basic aesthetics)
Yeah I meant Two-Face
What I REALLY mean is frick Snyder, and frick Snydergays like you. Snyder fails because of his own adolescent self-serious bullshit, which forces audiences to think about the murder. You fail too in not understanding this an rushing to defend your master. You are not a human being.
No, what you REALLY mean is that you're an illiterate moron who can't even read a paragraph because I end my post shitting on Affleck's Batman. If you want to accuse me of shilling for a Batman interpretation it would be Pattinson's
Shut the frick up and pull your lips off of Snyder's wiener, Snydergay. Snyder's having Batman kill is shit and different than any other adaptation because of Snyder's pretentious bullshit. Stop worshipping him and return to humanity.
You are genuinely mindbroken on the level of any ardent Snydergay and I regret engaging with you honestly on any degree
But that's not an analogous situation here is my issue. Batman had Ra's disarmed entirely under control at that point, there was no reason not to save him. I could see the rationale if Ra's posed a legitimate threat but as it stands he chooses not to save Ra's literally just because he doesn't like him
As a Snydergay your right to an opinion is void. Stop trying to convert others to your cause.
My dude, he saved Ra's at the beginning and he almost destroyed Gotham and he showed no indication of ever changing.
I misread your post. I was arguing on the premise that the situation was under his control as Batman chose to end Ra's' life
If you find it acceptable for Batman to be able to kill people he thinks are irredeemable then I think we just disagree on the character
Batman was under no obligation to save the guy who moments earlier was going to use that same train to destroy Gotham before Batman and Gordon destroyed the tracks.
He was because that's what Batman does, he saves people. A Batman that doesn't isn't Batman.
Keaton Batman not saving his unrepentant parent murderer and current serial murder from falling to his death was a good thing and he's the definitive Batman for many.
Ra's operated the murder train
>Keaton Batman not saving his unrepentant parent murderer and current serial murder from falling to his death
Nope, you fail again:
KeatonBat didn't let the Joker die while he could have saved him, he wasn't in a position to stop Joker from falling at the time because he himself was hanging on a ledge.
The point is that Batman doesn't let people die if he's in a position to save them. Now apologize to Batman for being wrong.
Technically, the entire reason Joker died was because Batman attached him to a gargoyle while hanging from a helicopter. There was no possible way that Joker could have survived since it's not possible for his grip to surpass the strength of the line or the weight of the gargoyle. So Batman did kill Joker. Plus earlier in the film, he blew up the chemical plant with all of Joker's goons in it.
Joker couldve just let go of the rope and gave up on escaping. Batman couldn't have known the gargoyle would give way, otherwise he wouldn't have done it.
yeah but then he kills that clown with a bomb in Returns.
you get it
idk its been years since ive seen it also
Batman blew the bridge. Which later killed Ra.
Sure he wasn't. Batman is also under no obligation to not just shoot the Joker in the face with a shotgun the second he shows up at the party in TDK. Dude's a serial killer just end him there
But then the movie would suck. I prefer it when Batman's got a staunch no-kill rule. The interrogation scene is one of the best superhero film scenes of all time and it is fundamentally premised on Batman being staunchly against not killing the Joker despite having every reason to
The reason it works for Batman is because people were already heavily desensitized to it. The only film in which Batman isn't directly responsible for someone's death is Batman & Robin.
>Kilmer kills Riddler
huh?
kills Riddler
1. You mean Two-Face. Riddler is alive but extra crazy at the end.
2. Technically Two-Face kills himself via psychosis.
>Bale kills Ra's
I never got this argument. Him actively stopping the train while Ra's is still on it might have been what technically killed him but his "I won't kill you but I won't save you" reasoning is sound
>Dent
That's kind of a huge plot point, it's not exactly brushed over like all the nameless mooks that Batffleck killed though I wish they did more with it in TDKR
>Talia and a bunch of her goons
Only real point since it's just sorta glossed over, another reason I didn't like TDKR much.
>but his "I won't kill you but I won't save you" reasoning is sound
Nah, that really bothered me too. Goes against everything Batman is. Batman always tries to save everyone he can, even his enemies. He would never voluntarily let someone die that he could have saved. Really sour note in an otherwise solid adaptation of the character.
I hate that aspect of his character though. Batman should never kill anyone but trying to save murderers from things outside of his direct control and who have no hope of redemption where the world would be better off with them dead was always moronic. I mean I really fricking hate "Batman has to save serial murderer Joker from dying again" stories, they're so goddamn stupid.
>I hate that aspect of his character though.
Then you're valueless human garbage and we're free to ignore your opinion.
Yet the (good) movies are more popular because they don't have contrived stories using a moronic version of the trolley problem
It's weird how people like you simp for Batman's morality when you're obviously terrible people yourselves. Almost like he's basically just an idol of entertainment instead of something you believe as a moral ideal.
>but his "I won't kill you but I won't save you" reasoning is sound
Actively choosing not to save someone's life when you have every ability to do so is killing them lmao, just because you don't deliver the finishing blow yourself doesn't mean you're absolved
Agreed with the rest, as you can see here
>What's with your weird hateboner for Snyder?
All people in all times and all places hate Snyder. Why would you voluntarily renounce your humanity by mistakenly believing you like him?
synder comes off as a legit insane person if you have ever seen his interviews
Flash was the last remnant of Snyderverse though.
totally sane and normal person
He really has the mind of an edgy 14 year old. He's like if the worst impulses of early 90s comics congealed into a person.
It's been forever since I've seen Begins but doesn't Bruce suffer in some shitty third world prison before Ras recruits him?
I'm not even going to reply to it. Dude has some seriously irrational hatred for Snyder.
To be fair the guy did really frick it up because he set the tone for their entire universe going forward, though that's also in part thanks to WB likely wanting to stick to what made the Nolan movies so big
They really took the wrong lessons from Nolan's movies. "Wow, people really liked this darker, more realistic take on Batman, let's make everything dark!"
Shut the frick up.
Hating Snyder is the only possible rational position.
I feel like Snyder's problem was studios wanted to rush and add in as many things as they could to be the next MCU.
>BvS had to juggle introducing a depressed version of Batman whose Robin is already dead and he's been in the business for years now, Wonder Woman, and Lex Luthor as well as the Death of Superman IN THEIR SECOND FRICKING MOVIE
>Justice League had Apokolips, Aquaman, Cyborg, the Flash, and in Snyder's cut Martian Manhunter
It's like trying to juggle too many things at once. They should've just given them all their own movies before going "alright now get together and fight Darkseid."
Why have we gotten off of the topic of hating Snyder?
He’s vindicated by default based on the fact that if they stuck to the plan things would’ve been alright. Would the big finale make 3 billies like endgame? Probably not but there was a stable profit to be made.
>He’s vindicated by default based on the fact that if they stuck to the plan things would’ve been alright.
Snyder's films were doing successively worse and worse. JL was a joke. Frick off with MUH MASTERS BRILLIANT PLAN Snydergay.
>and then Aquaman made a billion
JL wasn’t his anyway. RT would’ve eaten up Cyborg’s origin story and given praise to the “strong black character”
Honestly, this. Also, by never giving Cyborg, Static and John Stewart solo pushes dc has been sleeping on some solid black heroes
>JL wasn’t his anyway
Neither was Aquaman.
>successively worse
They weren't though. But you're disingenuous and know this already.
Dumb fricking Snydergay. MOS was bad but at least had the form of a coherent movie. BVS was garbage and a broken mess. JL was just absolute shit.
Maybe a moronic Snydergay like you doesn't know what "successively" means?
>But you're disingenuous
The only one being disingenuous is you mistakenly thinking you like Snyder and also believing yourself to be a person.
The problem was even with all the shitty and blatant product placements all three of the movies he made were absurdly expensive. They were paying more money for less profit while shit like Joker made a billion on a shoestring budget in comparison.
If they had stuck to Snyder’s plan at the very least Superman as a brand would be absolutely dead. Batman literally, and I hate this word but I have to use it here, literally cucking Superman by getting Lois pregnant and then Superman raising that baby to have him grow up to be the next Batman, would have completely destroyed Superman for at least the next 25-50 years.
That’s from the initial drafts before BVS was filmed, the Bruce/Lois storyline never came to fruition. Snyder released those around ZSJL’s release to give a “general idea” of the plan. The final plan we only have sparse details of through interviews. But as we saw in ZSJL characters like Martian Manhunter, Atom, and John Stewart appeared which weren’t in those initial plans. The new story would be that Lois is pregnant with Clark and Darkseid needs the baby because of the Codex which is the key to fulfilling the anti life equation. Something like that at least. It’s really a question whether you’re a fan of knightmare. Their kid becoming Batman was a moronic idea though.
I will never, ever, EVER believe the bullshit of that one black army guy from Man of Steel and BvS was always meant to be Martian Manhunter.
>black army guy from Man of Steel and BvS was always meant to be Martian Manhunter.
What? I've never heard this before.
When BVS was announced at Comic-Con in 2013 Snyder had the actor come on stage and read a Martian manhunter quote.
Still don’t believe it. Man of Steel was a “first encounter” movie, the whole premise of the movie is built around how that world had never encountered any sort of extraordinary anything until Superman. I don’t believe Man of Steel was made with any sort of thoughts to a larger super hero universe, I believe it was made with the same intention as the Dark Knight trilogy, as just a stand alone trilogy. Any shit about “that was totally Martian Manhunter!” Or “that was Aquaman who saved Clark in the ocean!” is after-the-fact retconning bullshit.
The way I see it, it was simply Snyders personal headcanon for which he probably had ideas for MM appearing in MoS 2 or 3.
>Man of Steel was a “first encounter” movie, the whole premise of the movie is built around how that world had never encountered any sort of extraordinary anything until Superman
That doesn't necessarily go against the idea that others existed in the shadows
He's not in the shadows. He's in the fricking movie. The world he was on is about to be destroyed and he didn't go out to save it because he didn't feel like it? It's nonsense
That's Batman's quote from the DKR battle
And you shouldn't because it's bullshit. It's an idea that he out in thinking his fans would like it in hindsight. Just like Superman's black suit
>based on the fact that if they stuck to the plan things would’ve been alright.
You have no way of knowing this
That's a cult for you, their messiah can do no wrong and the world would be perfect if we only obeyed him.
ZSJL was pretty good, coming off the positive reception of Wonder Woman it would have done pretty well. Not a billion but probably around 8-900mil, which is fine and something to build upon. Josstice League made 650 by default so releasing anything better than hot garbage would’ve boded well in the box office.
>ZSJL was pretty good,
Too bad audiences didn't agree.
>ZSJL was pretty good
This is pure Snydergayottry. The mystical "Snyder Cut" took the film from "utterly unwatchable" to "just a bad movie", but the bar is so low for Snyder films that his cult thinks this means it's good.
Did you know the Snyder cut has 24minutes of slow mo?
good morning sirs
No morning is good that involves thinking about Snyder.
Was anybody more miscast than Lex Luthor?
Eh, I can see Jesse Eisenberg playing an alright Luthor. He just had the worst imaginable writing and direction (or lack of it anyway, from what I heard he ad-libbed some of the aspects)
You just didn't get it.
Snyder didn't get it. Like so many of his attempts at filmmaking, there was a germ of a good idea that he fricked up in execution. Lex as a modern introvert nerd tech billionaire ala Zuckerberg isn't an inherently bad idea, but the way it was done in the movie was just moronic. It was supposed to be unsettling and creepy but was just literally laughable and confusing.
No, I understand that he's Steve Jobs as lex luthor. He's just an awful character played badly.
DING DING DING DING DING DING
Yeah thats totally something fricking Lex Luthor would do.
I had no problems with his Luthor whatsoever and I don’t know why either
I would say while not worse Ezra “call me they/them or I’ll break into your house and steal your booze” Miller as Barry Allen ranks up there.
I still don't know how Miller was kept on after so many crimes and scandals. Actors, even big names, have been replaced for far less. Does he have dirt on WB execs or something?
Snyder is IRL Luthor
No, he's Darkseid. I don't mean like Darkseid, I mean he literally is Darkseid from the comics. Darkseid, because of the inherent nature of cape comics, he could never win in the comic reality, so he came to our world and made superhero media so terrible it would actually harm the heroes he hates so much. SNYDER IS
but the real Darkseid is DIdio and he won
Flash.
MMM BOYS
He played the Luthor he was told to play. That's not a miscast, it's solely on the writing.
>Man ruins a whole franchise with his cult drones to the point where people don't bother paying attention to any release that's not his, despite also ignoring HIS movies.
lmao
Snyder and the directors who followed him made bad movies. He's not vindicated at all.
>you guys just don't get it
No, I do. Snyder is not subtle about his shit.
This reminds me of when Shyamalan said his movies were too European for American audiences.
I think watching Superman Legacy for a lot of people is going to be like that shitty feeling when you wake up to the sound of an alarm clock. The DCU would’ve been great…10 years ago. Most people don’t care for bloated characters or quippy shit anymore, we just want to see cool stories that can stand alone. Like Joker or The Batman. It is for this reason I think Man of Steel is going to get a lot more retroactive praise sometime after Legacy comes out. WB should’ve done what Sony did with the streaming wars, wait it out and do your own shit. The only thing Zack was right about is that WB was never going to beat the MCU at their own game.
how can you say this when garbage like BVS exist
the only reason people overhype ZSJL is because the whedon garbage exist
?
>starts off the movie with an unnecessary scene of Superman and terrible lip cgi
What the frick was he thinking?
He was doing what he was hired to do and lighten Superman up. I'm not trying to be some Wheedon apologist but it's not like he was given a lot of time. He probably believed his own hype and I doubt he set out to make a bad film and ruin his reputation
Yeah Whedon is an butthole, but he was given a timeline and a budget that only possibly could have made a turd even before you consider the complete tonal mismatch between his own style and the half a movie Snyder left him.
>It is for this reason I think Man of Steel is going to get a lot more retroactive praise sometime after Legacy comes out
It's been 10 years and the stink from that movie is why the DCEU ultimately failed. They stopped using this version of Superman after JL because they knew people didn't like him.
Cavill was the one person everyone liked
No one liked him besides the Snyder cult. You guys didn't even support Black Adam
I never got the Cavill appeal. He's dour and boring without any of the charisma Superman should have. I guess he looks the part, at least until you look at his hairline
>without any of the charisma Superman should have
Ironic, considering…
I remember going to see BvS in theaters with my brother. I was asleep by the time the batmobile sequence happened. He's just a shit director that relies on pretension. His Watchmen movie is also terrible, which is another thing I don't understand why people defend.
>this movie requires a deep understanding you might not get it
>movie has a jar of pee
It was tea actually.
PEACH TEA HAHA
>awkward pause as everyone looks around the room like they're waiting for audience applause and canned laughter to end
>suddenly the wheelchair explodes and levels the entire senate building
>Superman stands in the falling rubble with the same look on his as someone who realized he forgot to unplug the coffee pot before he left home that morning.
My entire theater was cracking up at that scene, and I was half expecting the Seinfeld credits to pop up any second.
Just do a Dr Fate movie already
It's very important to cgi in a blood smear to highlight how brutal Batman is in the snyderverse.
Frick Snyder and his Pajeet edge lord fans. Man may have single-handedly ruined the reputation of some of the most beloved and trusted IPs in American history. The age of super heroes is passing and Marvel has over taken DC within the cultural zeitgeist. Once Gunn’s reboot crashes and burns I wouldn’t be surprised if WB has a fire sale and cleans house.
Snyder's movies did good numbers because they starred Superman and Batman (and get James Wan somehow still beat him with fricking Aquaman)
Also you can't count The Suicide Squad or WW84 as flops without also adding Zack Snyder's Justice League to the list
pajeets are snydergays
The post-Snyder directors didn't understand the Snyderverse. That's why the movies turned out to be shit. Snyder and Nolan are the only competent directors DC has ever had (and likely ever will).
>All his films have been a great box-office success
>He created a huge fanbase out of it
Snyder is a good director but he is being disengenuous here
>Man of Murder
>Martha v Martha
>slowmo League
>MA'AM PLEASE REDEEM THE SNYDER ARE YOU PROSTITUTE!?
My brother in Christ, it's Snyder's fault everything was as bad as it came out. He set the tone for this shit universe. He hired Ezra Miller. He hired Gal Gadot. Of course everything flopped when Snyder ruined the big 3 heroes in his universe right off the bat by his complete ignorance of what they're about. He thinks Batman is a killer & made Wonder Woman a descendant of kryptonians.
snydertards aren't people
But the "people" who keep shilling these flops for free are?
>be WB
>have to get the cameras rolling on a new Superman movie soon or have to pay the Siegel estate an exuberant amount of money
>have a script but it needs work
>approach several quality directors, all the directors say they would need a pass at the script before starting production
>don’t have time
>find a director willing to shoot the script as is
>director has already bungled one IP that could’ve potentially been huge
>out of time, hire director, keep Nolan close as a tard wrangler
>movie comes out to tepid response, the biggest problems audiences have came directly from the director
>during production of the movie Avengers comes out and BTFOs the box office out of fricking no where, WB panics because they have zero plans for a shared universe
>director who, at this point, has bungled two of your most valued IPs wants to make a Dark Knight Returns movie so he pitches the idea of shoving Batman into the Superman sequel
>green light it and give full control of your most important IPs that you’ve been sitting on for thirty fricking years to this director
>Nolan nopes out so now the director doesn’t have a tard wrangler
>what should have been a franchise that easily kicked the MCU off it’s untouchable perch becomes a complete laughing stock in the public eye, ruining several potential billion dollar franchises for years to come
>The Flash, a character who supported a massively successful television show for the last ten years finally gets a big budget studio movie, it bombs hard most likely due to the stink of what the director had done with the DC IPs
Okay so now we have come to the point of
>No, it's the General Audiences that are WRONG!
have we?
Just anything in the world before ever coming to the conclusion that maybe he made a shitty movie.
We've been at that point since BvS came out & people hated it. Hell we've been at that point with Marvel & Disney for a while now who will cry racism or sexism at any criticism.
Has anyone told this guy to watch the DCAU or perhaps actually read some Superman comics.
>Don't understand
Maybe I don't. I'd love Zack to explain to me why Pa Kent sacrificing himself for no reason when Clark could've saved the dog without anyone noticing is a smart character decision.
Laughable for him to claim that we're the ones who don't understand these characters.
>I'd love Zack to explain to me why Pa Kent sacrificing himself for no reason when Clark could've saved the dog without anyone noticing is a smart character decision
And also how Clark is capable of circling the globe in a couple seconds yet can't find where they are holding his mom hostage
I genuinely don't even remember this happening.
Why couldn't Superman at least freeze Zod long enough to fly him to space & knock him out then send him to the phantom zone again? He has nothing left to help him escape.
>You don't understand my movies!
Zack, you b***h, your movies have the depth of particularly shallow puddle. If there is a reason we can't see your genius it is because it's a MUDDY puddle.
homie, Snyder killed any chance the DCEU could be succesful, BvS was supposed to be the biggest crossover event with the most recognizable comic characters ever and it didn't even do a billion.