You know how aging studio execs keep shoving 80’s music into kids movies.
It’s time for the 90’s baby.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Do I at least get my gritty street-level capeshit flick with a violent and bloody hallway fight in some dirty drug den full of hobos, junkies and rats as Prodigy's "Firestarter" or Aphex Twin's "Come to Daddy" plays in the background.
10 months ago
Anonymous
No, you will get edgy established characters being le quippy in bright settings and you will clap.
> Literally nobody wanted Clooney's Batman back
You’re not getting him back. No one should be coming back. Clooneys end credit is the only good one because it’s the only one that’s clearly a gag, and beyond a shadow of a doubt doesn’t promise some 70 year old actor coming back to be the “lynch pin” of the dying DCEU. The best and only way to go is forward, stop juicing old good movies for profit by tying them to new shitty ones.
Everything WB does comes across as very insecure. They're trying desperately to present themselves as having a real plan by having this movie flow into the reboot, when it's absolutely unnecessary. The Batman did well, and it's not connected to the DCEU. Joker did great, and it's not connected to the DCEU or The Batman. The market is sending a clear message to WB, but they refuse to listen.
I like James Gunn movies. I may even love some of them. The Suicide Squad was good. But him becoming the head of the DCU has thus far been all the downsides of putting a comics nerd in charge. Labeling The Batman as "Elseworlds?" No one gives a shit. The average person doesn't even know what that means, and rightly does not care.
>The Batman did well, and it's not connected to the DCEU. Joker did great, and it's not connected to the DCEU or The Batman.
They knew all of this in 2017. They even publicly made it their plan going forward to simply not connect the dots. And here we are, dots connected, and it's a picture of a dick.
>thus far been all the downsides of putting a comics nerd in charge
I'll reserve that judgement for when shit like Waller and Superman come out honestly. The Flash has been in development hell for years and Shazam 2 was never going to be good. Ditto Aquaman 2.
Believe me, I am ready and willing to like his films. Not as a comics reader, just a general fan of movies. He makes solid films with a lot of sincerity and heart.
What I'm criticizing is the messaging from him/WB since he took the job. It's a good thing to have someone who is knowledgeable about the stories and know what makes them work. What is not good is a comics nerd, someone who has no social graces and can't read the room, saying things that sound like a foreign language to the uninitiated. That's the vibe Gunn currently exudes with the jargon and the namedropping and the obscure characters.
Changing the ending for one. Complete waste of money hiring Clooney
Kind of just feels like you guys are really eager to shit on him, not gonna lie. Yeah he likes deep cuts sometimes but the Guardians weren't exactly popular in 2010.
Guardians were part of the Marvel brand which people did know and were interested in. The DC brand is dead, TSS bombed and Peacemaker had less viewers than She-Hulk. People didn’t care about Keaton coming back but you expect them to care about Creature Commandos? Waller? The Authority?
10 months ago
Anonymous
> People didn’t care about Keaton coming back but you expect them to care about Creature Commandos? Waller? The Authority?
Its a risk, but I can see the logic of it. Make other stuff under the DC brand that is not the fricking Justice League, put some distance between you and the trash fire of the Synderverse and give the audience something else to focus on to build back up their belief in your ability to carry a movie before you touch the traditional properties again.
If DC immediately went and made another mainline Batman or Superman movie under these circumstances, it would be too soon and a lot of people would write it off and never see it no matter how good it was because their trust had fundamentally been broken. That needs time to heal.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I've wanted an authority movie for awhile now actually
The messaging is fine, he's communicating that he cares about the storytelling rather than using it as a get-rich-quick scheme like the DCEU has so far
Literally the reason MCU phase 4 has sucked so bad is becausd they're falling for the same shit DC has this entire time, trying to bank on name recognition and cheap CG rather than having a script that treats the characters like people
>he's communicating that he cares about the storytelling
And how much of his credibility has been damaged after hew spent weeks hyping up The Flash as the best superhero movie ever? It didn't even work, the movie bombed. Its domestic is what, $5 million above Lightyear?
I know it's not his fault, but it doesn't make it any less damaging. The audience is skeptical, and those inside WBD ought to be skeptical too. They spent a lot of money on reshoots that ultimately does not matter, because relatively few people would have seen it.
Gunn makes good films, but the guy overhypes things to an absurd degree, is a chronic liar, way too cryptic about his work, can't read a room to dave his life and refuses to listen to what fans want.
The guy is better off staying in his own lane turning obscure characters into household names.
Say what you will about Zack Snyder but he let's his films speak for themselves.
>Say what you will about Zack Snyder but he let's his films speak for themselves
Lmao
The same Zack Snyder that said things like "Dick Grayson was the dead Robin", "the real Doomsday is still out there"?
He's tanked the DCEU and his own DCU with the whole reboot idea, which apparently keeps only the worst performing DC movies. Fans of the Snyderverse or Snyder-adjacent films like Aquaman have checked out because nothing matters anymore, and the average Joe Shmoe doesn't give a shit about Birds of Prey or Gunn's Suicide Squad.
> He's tanked the DCEU and his own DCU with the whole reboot idea
When a forest is rotting you burn it down. I’m sorry I’m for Cavil for looking fantastic in the role but never getting a fair shake but it’s the right thing to do to frick off from this terrible continuity built on unsteady fountainhead edgelord foundations and start over.
I dunno. I get that its not his movie technically, but this was one of the movies him and Zaslav were dickriding for months. I genuinely think they thought this was gonna be a sleeper hit.
I question Gunn making the t ransition from successful CBM director to the guy running the show. He already can't let go of his own content like Peacemaker and TSS. When people see like Waller and Harley Quinn on screen, they might think this is just the DCEU again.
What kind of studio exec is gonna tell you "yeah, this movie we're putting out is absolute dogshit, I don't know who would fricking watch it"?
They have no choice but to praise it.
Yeah but back when Gunn made his promotion video he was like >The Flash is one of the best superhero films I've ever seen, Blue Beetle will be canon if it does well, and then there's Aquaman 2 MOVING ON...
They unironically thought Flash was gonna do well and they KNOW Aquaman 2 is shit. When they know it's shit, they just don't say anything.
If you're this stupid to not get why sometimes just being a company man is the best move I've got an eiffel tower to sell you for the cheap price of $1Bn
What other choice did they have? It was too expensive for any sane person to try and write off and it was basically done already. Better to get some money in than zero. Promoting the shit out of it might be a short-term reputation hit but I'm guessing they're betting on Gunn's first 1-2 projects to turn public sentiment once they're rolling out in a few years. IF Warner/Discovery survives that long of course.
Gunn *might* have been the guy who kept Muschietti on as director for *his* Batman reboot, but that still has time to quietly change and honestly WB seems to value willingness to cooperate with absolutely moronic decisions above box office draw, so who knows.
>I thought 50% usually got praise
The calculus is slightly different for "blockbuster" films, because those have always tended to be front-loaded. Disney in particular does its best to drum up business in the first week, because the first week is when the split of box office profits favors the distributor the most.
That said, a 60% drop in the second week is bad in any context, It means word of mouth is poor, and they're not getting any repeat business.
That big of a drop when there's another major release to siphon off moviegoers is one thing. Flash's highest profile competitors this weekend are films that came out before it and a Wes Anderson film in limited release. So a 60% drop would br abysmal and might see it slip back behind Spider-Verse or Transformers.
If it had Avengers level opening week, a 60% dropoff would be annoying, but not especially horrible.
60% drop off with the kind of opening it DID have is typically around the time shareholders are looking for blood.
Multiverse of Madness had the same drop and that was an unprecedented huge drop. But it had an incredible opening weekend at least, Flash didn't had that and it will probably have an even bigger drop for a much smaller opening weekend.
DS2 had the benefit of following a huge success, people were into it because of the No Way Home hype and then you saw on love & thunder and Ant-man what happens when you don't give the audience what they want for too long.
Gunn is going to be ecstatic. If the movie had done well the studio would've wanted a sequel and Gunn would've been pressured to integrate Ezra into his new-look DCU. Now the film has flopped Gunn is free to recast the role of Flash and there's one less connection to the Snyderverse to drag the new films down.
>burning with shame
You mean giddy with joy. He's looking more and more like DC's messiah. Imagine getting a job and shadowing the person you're replacing and they just barfed all over the floor and passed out from drinking too much last night.
Brainrotted morons see 'Gunn is in charge of DC movies' on twitter and think that means he has absolute, total control over everything that already was happening under that umbrella the moment he walked in the door.
>the flash is ... hispanic
I'm shocked more people aren't talking about this weird ass decision. Although I guess most people haven't even seen the damn film so
I don't know why they didn't expect this with the main actor being who he is, and the fact audiences just want to watch one movie unless they are heavily invested. Having the whole Zod thing with Batman and supergirl was really dumb.
It should have just been a flash movie with the reverse flash. You don't start with Flash Point.
>You don't start with Flash Point.
JFC this. Who is the moron who went “we need to do a movie that turns the Flash’s continuity on its head” when his continuity hasn’t even been established? Have at least one solo movie beforehand where his mother’s death and ongoing trial of his father is an element. Show a date between him and Iris (you know, to establish her as well) where he opens up about how the situation affected him. Also we could’ve gotten some of Flash’s rogue’s gallery. How weird is it we’ve seen more of Captain Boomerang in anything other than a Flash movie?
This movie is just so poorly done. It gives only the most perfunctory development to “why this matters” and then expects that to be enough for the audience to care.
I guess I can see why Stephen King loved the movie so much.
> JFC this. Who is the moron who went “we need to do a movie that turns the Flash’s continuity on its head” when his continuity hasn’t even been established?
Probably the same idiots who thought that BvS should introduce Lex Luhtor, Batman, and Wonder Woman all in a single film that is also trying to be The Dark Knight Returns and The Death of Superman all at the same time?
WB has zero fricking patience. You know that test with kids and marshmellows? WB is the kid that has already eaten the marshmellow before the test has begun.
WB’s DCEU has become synonymous with “Blowing your load early.” They have no self control whatsoever. >Superman kills someone in his first movie instead of it becoming a big shock later down the road like when he executed the AU Kryptonians >Batman and Superman immediately try to frick each other up, Doomsday is used as a big monster already, Superman dies already, Wonder Woman just shows up >Most of the heroes in Justice League get thrown in without proper stories, and Darkseid out the gate >Flashpoint for the first Flash movie
The MCU is garbage now, but the reason the first Avengers movie worked is each of the big heroes had a movie to explore who they are first so we cared about them meeting later. All the Phase 1 movies except Thor and IM2 were good and made you want to see them all together.
It should’ve been the Rogues. Establish that there’s villains getting trounced by Flash, Snart comes into the picture with an advanced weapon that counters Barry’s speed, then gets together a small group of himself, Heatwave, Golden Glider, Trickster, and Mirror Master. Flash struggles handling them together because they’re so well organized, so he has to outsmart them and get them to fight one another.
Sequel (if it did good) can be Reverse Flash shenanigans. Third go full sci-fi with Grodd, and maybe he hires Snart to handle Flash.
I don’t know about everyone else, but the movie represents literally everything I didn’t want from a Flash movie. >Superhero causes the entire conflict like a selfish dipshit >Nonstop I SAW THIS AND I CLAPPED cameos >No Rogues >No Barry actually saving people and being cool >Ezra Miller, a complete miscast with the charisma of a dead fish
More and more I stand by that the 90s show was peak live action Flash. It made some drastic changes but ultimately it feels like the only one that actively tried to put a Flash comic’s sensibilities on the screen. Also Shipp is the best Barry.
Flashpoint was dogshit, led to the worst era of the DCU and the inevitable decay and fall of the american comic book industry as a whole. New 52 was so dumb and half-assed.
Killing off Barry's mom AND Flashpoint had disastrous effects for DC >Caused New 52 >DC Animated Movies followed it and then did it again (after doing a killfest) which means the audience would feel like they wasted their time watching the movies from that period >This 2023 film, which for some reason 2010s-era WB really really needed to push and dump way too much money on
I haven't really watched the show so I can't judge how Flashpoint really affected it but it did do the backstory of Barry's mom getting killed
If Gunn has any sense, he either uses Jay Garrick or Wally West instead, or if he uses Barry, ignore the dead mom/imprisoned father backstory no matter how much Johns protests
Because now once you have that everyone's anticipating Flashpoint
Let's just go back to using Wally West as the default Flash again. He's the best version of the Flash there is, and it could also help to correct the possible problem of people misappropriating Flash's humor in the Justice League cartoon to Barry instead.
>>4. TRANSFORMERS ($1.9M) >Transformers without Micheal Bay does not appeal to China or Hispanics/blacks.
Transformers on its 3rd week, Flash on its 2nd.
Well what did you expect?!??
Flash entire schtickt is using the Speed Force to travel back in time to prevent his mothers death only to make things 1,000,000,000x worse!
We had an entire tv show of this! WHY MAKE A MOVIE!!!????!!!!!
Can he be blamed for trying to soften the impact after the previous driver already drove the car off a cliff?
This never had a chance of success, they just had such a shitty foundation.
>Gunn
He hasn't had anything to do with it aside from swapping the post credits scene and marketing after the fact has he? Or am I mistaken
Who called for the edits?
Which edits?
Changing the ending for one. Complete waste of money hiring Clooney
I'm still confused why they thought it's a good idea. Literally nobody wanted Clooney's Batman back.
Exactly the Second ending should have been used.
That has even less reason to happen than Clooney; Ghostbusters wasn't Harvey Comics
You know how aging studio execs keep shoving 80’s music into kids movies.
It’s time for the 90’s baby.
Do I at least get my gritty street-level capeshit flick with a violent and bloody hallway fight in some dirty drug den full of hobos, junkies and rats as Prodigy's "Firestarter" or Aphex Twin's "Come to Daddy" plays in the background.
No, you will get edgy established characters being le quippy in bright settings and you will clap.
> Literally nobody wanted Clooney's Batman back
You’re not getting him back. No one should be coming back. Clooneys end credit is the only good one because it’s the only one that’s clearly a gag, and beyond a shadow of a doubt doesn’t promise some 70 year old actor coming back to be the “lynch pin” of the dying DCEU. The best and only way to go is forward, stop juicing old good movies for profit by tying them to new shitty ones.
Everything WB does comes across as very insecure. They're trying desperately to present themselves as having a real plan by having this movie flow into the reboot, when it's absolutely unnecessary. The Batman did well, and it's not connected to the DCEU. Joker did great, and it's not connected to the DCEU or The Batman. The market is sending a clear message to WB, but they refuse to listen.
I like James Gunn movies. I may even love some of them. The Suicide Squad was good. But him becoming the head of the DCU has thus far been all the downsides of putting a comics nerd in charge. Labeling The Batman as "Elseworlds?" No one gives a shit. The average person doesn't even know what that means, and rightly does not care.
>The Batman did well, and it's not connected to the DCEU. Joker did great, and it's not connected to the DCEU or The Batman.
They knew all of this in 2017. They even publicly made it their plan going forward to simply not connect the dots. And here we are, dots connected, and it's a picture of a dick.
>thus far been all the downsides of putting a comics nerd in charge
I'll reserve that judgement for when shit like Waller and Superman come out honestly. The Flash has been in development hell for years and Shazam 2 was never going to be good. Ditto Aquaman 2.
Believe me, I am ready and willing to like his films. Not as a comics reader, just a general fan of movies. He makes solid films with a lot of sincerity and heart.
What I'm criticizing is the messaging from him/WB since he took the job. It's a good thing to have someone who is knowledgeable about the stories and know what makes them work. What is not good is a comics nerd, someone who has no social graces and can't read the room, saying things that sound like a foreign language to the uninitiated. That's the vibe Gunn currently exudes with the jargon and the namedropping and the obscure characters.
Kind of just feels like you guys are really eager to shit on him, not gonna lie. Yeah he likes deep cuts sometimes but the Guardians weren't exactly popular in 2010.
This! Are you frickers seriously suggesting that people gave a damn about PEACEMAKER of all characters before Suicide Squad?
People never gave a shit about Peacemaker.
It makes the ending totally unsatisfying. Clooney looks so different from when he was a big star I’m not even sure normies got the joke
Guardians were part of the Marvel brand which people did know and were interested in. The DC brand is dead, TSS bombed and Peacemaker had less viewers than She-Hulk. People didn’t care about Keaton coming back but you expect them to care about Creature Commandos? Waller? The Authority?
> People didn’t care about Keaton coming back but you expect them to care about Creature Commandos? Waller? The Authority?
Its a risk, but I can see the logic of it. Make other stuff under the DC brand that is not the fricking Justice League, put some distance between you and the trash fire of the Synderverse and give the audience something else to focus on to build back up their belief in your ability to carry a movie before you touch the traditional properties again.
If DC immediately went and made another mainline Batman or Superman movie under these circumstances, it would be too soon and a lot of people would write it off and never see it no matter how good it was because their trust had fundamentally been broken. That needs time to heal.
I've wanted an authority movie for awhile now actually
The messaging is fine, he's communicating that he cares about the storytelling rather than using it as a get-rich-quick scheme like the DCEU has so far
Literally the reason MCU phase 4 has sucked so bad is becausd they're falling for the same shit DC has this entire time, trying to bank on name recognition and cheap CG rather than having a script that treats the characters like people
>he's communicating that he cares about the storytelling
And how much of his credibility has been damaged after hew spent weeks hyping up The Flash as the best superhero movie ever? It didn't even work, the movie bombed. Its domestic is what, $5 million above Lightyear?
I know it's not his fault, but it doesn't make it any less damaging. The audience is skeptical, and those inside WBD ought to be skeptical too. They spent a lot of money on reshoots that ultimately does not matter, because relatively few people would have seen it.
Gunn makes good films, but the guy overhypes things to an absurd degree, is a chronic liar, way too cryptic about his work, can't read a room to dave his life and refuses to listen to what fans want.
The guy is better off staying in his own lane turning obscure characters into household names.
Say what you will about Zack Snyder but he let's his films speak for themselves.
>Say what you will about Zack Snyder but he let's his films speak for themselves
Lmao
The same Zack Snyder that said things like "Dick Grayson was the dead Robin", "the real Doomsday is still out there"?
He's tanked the DCEU and his own DCU with the whole reboot idea, which apparently keeps only the worst performing DC movies. Fans of the Snyderverse or Snyder-adjacent films like Aquaman have checked out because nothing matters anymore, and the average Joe Shmoe doesn't give a shit about Birds of Prey or Gunn's Suicide Squad.
>He's tanked the DCEU and his own DCU with the whole reboot idea,
It wasn't his idea
Gunn's movies haven't even started rolling out. The frick are you talking about?
> He's tanked the DCEU and his own DCU with the whole reboot idea
When a forest is rotting you burn it down. I’m sorry I’m for Cavil for looking fantastic in the role but never getting a fair shake but it’s the right thing to do to frick off from this terrible continuity built on unsteady fountainhead edgelord foundations and start over.
I dunno. I get that its not his movie technically, but this was one of the movies him and Zaslav were dickriding for months. I genuinely think they thought this was gonna be a sleeper hit.
I question Gunn making the t ransition from successful CBM director to the guy running the show. He already can't let go of his own content like Peacemaker and TSS. When people see like Waller and Harley Quinn on screen, they might think this is just the DCEU again.
What kind of studio exec is gonna tell you "yeah, this movie we're putting out is absolute dogshit, I don't know who would fricking watch it"?
They have no choice but to praise it.
Yeah but back when Gunn made his promotion video he was like
>The Flash is one of the best superhero films I've ever seen, Blue Beetle will be canon if it does well, and then there's Aquaman 2 MOVING ON...
They unironically thought Flash was gonna do well and they KNOW Aquaman 2 is shit. When they know it's shit, they just don't say anything.
If you're this stupid to not get why sometimes just being a company man is the best move I've got an eiffel tower to sell you for the cheap price of $1Bn
What other choice did they have? It was too expensive for any sane person to try and write off and it was basically done already. Better to get some money in than zero. Promoting the shit out of it might be a short-term reputation hit but I'm guessing they're betting on Gunn's first 1-2 projects to turn public sentiment once they're rolling out in a few years. IF Warner/Discovery survives that long of course.
No, just play along with the meme though dude, come on
He was the one who thought the CGI tooth falling out was hilarious.
Sneeder Pajeets are seething because it’s over, Gunn is erasing the Sneederverse and they’re not getting Zaddy back in charge
Gunn *might* have been the guy who kept Muschietti on as director for *his* Batman reboot, but that still has time to quietly change and honestly WB seems to value willingness to cooperate with absolutely moronic decisions above box office draw, so who knows.
Only a 60% dropoff? That's pretty average right? I was expecting 70% or something with how bad the word of mouth has been.
>Only a 60% dropoff?
No. Especially not considering the abysmal opening week.
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please tell me that the flash didn't do that.
50 is average
40 is great
60 is horrific
I thought 50% usually got praise. Have I been getting duped by people praising average performance?
Yeah it's still terrible in raw numbers either way. They're fricked.
>I thought 50% usually got praise
The calculus is slightly different for "blockbuster" films, because those have always tended to be front-loaded. Disney in particular does its best to drum up business in the first week, because the first week is when the split of box office profits favors the distributor the most.
That said, a 60% drop in the second week is bad in any context, It means word of mouth is poor, and they're not getting any repeat business.
That big of a drop when there's another major release to siphon off moviegoers is one thing. Flash's highest profile competitors this weekend are films that came out before it and a Wes Anderson film in limited release. So a 60% drop would br abysmal and might see it slip back behind Spider-Verse or Transformers.
50 is not average for a superhero movie
60% drop from w1 to w2 is unsustainably bad when your opening was 55 million and your production budget was north of 200 million
they spent 7 million on a 30 second superbowl spot! who's paying for that?
Why would superbowl fans watch some nerd shit like DC?
>Why would superbowl fans watch some nerd shit like DC?
they watch nerd shit like Marvel? All blockbuster movies have jock chad casuals as audience members
Have you been living under a cave over the last decade?
It’s going to be 70%. Deadline always tries to make things seem better
If it had Avengers level opening week, a 60% dropoff would be annoying, but not especially horrible.
60% drop off with the kind of opening it DID have is typically around the time shareholders are looking for blood.
Good opening week + 60% dropoff from week 1 to week 2= okay
Bad opening week + 60% dropoff = bad
Excessive budget + Bad opening week + 60% dropoff = worst
Multiverse of Madness had the same drop and that was an unprecedented huge drop. But it had an incredible opening weekend at least, Flash didn't had that and it will probably have an even bigger drop for a much smaller opening weekend.
Plus Doctor Strange 2's budget was allegedly $172–200 million
Flash's was allegedly $200–220 million
DS2 had the benefit of following a huge success, people were into it because of the No Way Home hype and then you saw on love & thunder and Ant-man what happens when you don't give the audience what they want for too long.
60 is very bad.
Also they're probably high balling to save face. Many on box office forums are predicting high 60s if not 70.
>Jesus Christ....Gunn must be burning with shame
Gunn is going to be ecstatic. If the movie had done well the studio would've wanted a sequel and Gunn would've been pressured to integrate Ezra into his new-look DCU. Now the film has flopped Gunn is free to recast the role of Flash and there's one less connection to the Snyderverse to drag the new films down.
exactly
Each flop only makes it more clear that a reboot was the only way to go
It’s almost as if people wanted a Flash movie instead of DCEU shit with bad CG
>burning with shame
You mean giddy with joy. He's looking more and more like DC's messiah. Imagine getting a job and shadowing the person you're replacing and they just barfed all over the floor and passed out from drinking too much last night.
>gunn
What?
Brainrotted morons see 'Gunn is in charge of DC movies' on twitter and think that means he has absolute, total control over everything that already was happening under that umbrella the moment he walked in the door.
*ahem*
>Noooo, you cant post this. The movies after Aquaman only failed because Snyder ruined the reputation of the DCEU.
Aquaman wasn't Snyder and it was the best they did. It should've been the WanVerse.
>Un puto meme del Punisher Panther
Go back to facebook
Why is Aquaman under Snyder? He had nothing to do with it.
Also,
>Superman is the lowest grossing of his own movies
Kek
>Ignoring that the assemble movie which featured the most iconic superheroes didnt reach the billion mark
Good strawman
>the flash is ... hispanic
I'm shocked more people aren't talking about this weird ass decision. Although I guess most people haven't even seen the damn film so
I'm legitimately curious about the excuses DCUcks will pull when Superman Legacy fails.
Well, this time it won't be because that dead franchise the MCU oversold them.
I don't know why they didn't expect this with the main actor being who he is, and the fact audiences just want to watch one movie unless they are heavily invested. Having the whole Zod thing with Batman and supergirl was really dumb.
It should have just been a flash movie with the reverse flash. You don't start with Flash Point.
>You don't start with Flash Point.
JFC this. Who is the moron who went “we need to do a movie that turns the Flash’s continuity on its head” when his continuity hasn’t even been established? Have at least one solo movie beforehand where his mother’s death and ongoing trial of his father is an element. Show a date between him and Iris (you know, to establish her as well) where he opens up about how the situation affected him. Also we could’ve gotten some of Flash’s rogue’s gallery. How weird is it we’ve seen more of Captain Boomerang in anything other than a Flash movie?
This movie is just so poorly done. It gives only the most perfunctory development to “why this matters” and then expects that to be enough for the audience to care.
I guess I can see why Stephen King loved the movie so much.
> JFC this. Who is the moron who went “we need to do a movie that turns the Flash’s continuity on its head” when his continuity hasn’t even been established?
Probably the same idiots who thought that BvS should introduce Lex Luhtor, Batman, and Wonder Woman all in a single film that is also trying to be The Dark Knight Returns and The Death of Superman all at the same time?
WB has zero fricking patience. You know that test with kids and marshmellows? WB is the kid that has already eaten the marshmellow before the test has begun.
WB’s DCEU has become synonymous with “Blowing your load early.” They have no self control whatsoever.
>Superman kills someone in his first movie instead of it becoming a big shock later down the road like when he executed the AU Kryptonians
>Batman and Superman immediately try to frick each other up, Doomsday is used as a big monster already, Superman dies already, Wonder Woman just shows up
>Most of the heroes in Justice League get thrown in without proper stories, and Darkseid out the gate
>Flashpoint for the first Flash movie
The MCU is garbage now, but the reason the first Avengers movie worked is each of the big heroes had a movie to explore who they are first so we cared about them meeting later. All the Phase 1 movies except Thor and IM2 were good and made you want to see them all together.
It should’ve been the Rogues. Establish that there’s villains getting trounced by Flash, Snart comes into the picture with an advanced weapon that counters Barry’s speed, then gets together a small group of himself, Heatwave, Golden Glider, Trickster, and Mirror Master. Flash struggles handling them together because they’re so well organized, so he has to outsmart them and get them to fight one another.
Sequel (if it did good) can be Reverse Flash shenanigans. Third go full sci-fi with Grodd, and maybe he hires Snart to handle Flash.
The thing about hte flah tuj s hen it woujld never make the money back in an and it s wads mostly due to ezra miller tohugh.
I don’t know about everyone else, but the movie represents literally everything I didn’t want from a Flash movie.
>Superhero causes the entire conflict like a selfish dipshit
>Nonstop I SAW THIS AND I CLAPPED cameos
>No Rogues
>No Barry actually saving people and being cool
>Ezra Miller, a complete miscast with the charisma of a dead fish
More and more I stand by that the 90s show was peak live action Flash. It made some drastic changes but ultimately it feels like the only one that actively tried to put a Flash comic’s sensibilities on the screen. Also Shipp is the best Barry.
Imagine supporting shit you don't like with your money.
Who says I watched it? That’s based on what I’ve seen for free in trailers and clips. It was enough for me to not go pay and see it.
>I don't like the flash being the flash
?
The Flash doesn’t save people and fight Rogues and have fun adventures?
You must not have read anything before Flashpoint.
Flashpoint is Barry no matter how much you wish to deny it, moron
>Decades worth a stories
>They pick a shitty one
>D-DEAL WITH IT
Your movie was bad, Ezra.
I see someone's desperate to defend Flashpoint right now
I see someone is trying even harder to defend Barry's shit character
I know, the guy trying hard to defend Flashpoint is doing that
So we agree Barry is shit? Awesome
Why are you even here then?
Flashpoint was dogshit, led to the worst era of the DCU and the inevitable decay and fall of the american comic book industry as a whole. New 52 was so dumb and half-assed.
I'm going to add to that
Killing off Barry's mom AND Flashpoint had disastrous effects for DC
>Caused New 52
>DC Animated Movies followed it and then did it again (after doing a killfest) which means the audience would feel like they wasted their time watching the movies from that period
>This 2023 film, which for some reason 2010s-era WB really really needed to push and dump way too much money on
I haven't really watched the show so I can't judge how Flashpoint really affected it but it did do the backstory of Barry's mom getting killed
If Gunn has any sense, he either uses Jay Garrick or Wally West instead, or if he uses Barry, ignore the dead mom/imprisoned father backstory no matter how much Johns protests
Because now once you have that everyone's anticipating Flashpoint
Let's just go back to using Wally West as the default Flash again. He's the best version of the Flash there is, and it could also help to correct the possible problem of people misappropriating Flash's humor in the Justice League cartoon to Barry instead.
As if, it will probably be closer to 70%.
This is more Snyder's movie than Gunn's.
Wednesday BO:
1. SPIDER-MAN ($3.8M)
2. ELEMENTAL ($3.5M)
>3. THE FLASH ($3M)
4. TRANSFORMERS ($1.9M)
5. THE LITTLE MERMAID ($1.8M)
No fricking way.
>4. TRANSFORMERS ($1.9M)
Transformers without Micheal Bay does not appeal to China or Hispanics/blacks.
>>4. TRANSFORMERS ($1.9M)
>Transformers without Micheal Bay does not appeal to China or Hispanics/blacks.
Transformers on its 3rd week, Flash on its 2nd.
>Beaten out by Elemental of all things
If they were going for a reboot they should have done a straight-adaptation of Flashpoint.
My money is on 70%
>best movie since TDK
His best joke yet.
I already saw it. What do you want from me?
Well what did you expect?!??
Flash entire schtickt is using the Speed Force to travel back in time to prevent his mothers death only to make things 1,000,000,000x worse!
We had an entire tv show of this! WHY MAKE A MOVIE!!!????!!!!!
Spiderverse in its 4th fricking week is already beating it (and Elemental) in the dailies. This is getting sad.
Can he be blamed for trying to soften the impact after the previous driver already drove the car off a cliff?
This never had a chance of success, they just had such a shitty foundation.
BvS' complete collapse was a sight to behold.