>Fool! No man can kill me!
>Elves and dwarves exist
>Both are regarded as better fighters than men
>Along with ents, great birds of preys, and wizards
In retrospect this was pretty weak as far as prophecies go
>Fool!
>Fool! No man can kill me!
>Elves and dwarves exist
>Both are regarded as better fighters than men
>Along with ents, great birds of preys, and wizards
In retrospect this was pretty weak as far as prophecies go
In context It was just a premonition by Glorfindel during the fall of Arnor where he advised the prince seeking revenge not to chase after him. He probably heard about it after tearing out the princes soul from his body and torturing him.
Interestingly Glorfindel had Legolas's place in the fellowship during the initial conception of it. When Aragorn was Trotter not strider and married Eowyn, but Tolkien decided Glorfindel was too powerful, as he could kill a balrogs and had reincarnated and would glow like a lighthouse in the spirit world that Sauron would always be keeping an eye on him so Aragorn was played up.
Interesting. Aragorn marrying Eowyn makes a lot of sense and eliminates the need for the character of Faramir. Did not know Glorfindel was a reincarnation of that other guy from the First Age, I thought when an elf died they stayed dead. These insights into Tolkien's writing decisions are cool because they show that no matter how great his stuff was, he really was just another writer perfecting his work through trial and error. He did not just shit it all out perfectly.
In the LOTR universe elves who dies reincarnates in the west, and if they were particularly good they can just walk out of the afterlife (the Halls of Mandos) and go back to living. They don't even need to be born again.
Men who dies also go in the Halls for a little while, then they leave the world for another place.
>another place
Where?
Die and find out
Detroit
Yeah elves go to the halls of mandos to heal their spiritual wounds, Glorfindel really didn't have any wounds of the soul to heal so reembodied and went west to help the Istari fight Sauron. I think between the arrival of the blue wizards who went east and Gandalf and Saruman.
I haven't got a copy yet but I think History of Middle Earth volume 1 to 5 has a lot of Tolkien's drafts if I am thinking of the right set of books.
I suspect Tolkien partially made Faramir for Eowyn's story arc sake. If she had married Aragorn she would have never outgrown the despair Grima placed in her soul. She just wanted Aragorn for the acclaim status and excitement of marrying the king returned, doing so would have legitimized everything Grima had said about her and and her people being hut dwelling mud farmers. Faramir sees into her soul through the farsight powers he inherited from his elvish blood, see who she is and accepts her. She accepts she is good enough, war and bloodshed isn't worth it for fame and renown.
Which puts her story arc in parallel to Galadriel who Eru himself banished for her hubris, ambition and desire to be a Queen of renown. Galadriel passing up the ring, denying her desire for power over others and glory was a huge thing, it was literally the moment when god forgave her and allowed her to come home. I think both characters would be weaker without this relinquishing of an empty need for validation.
The actual prophecy was "Far off yet is his doom, and not by the hand of man will he fall"
He would have won though if it was not for Eowyn and the hobbit with the sword from Arnor forged to break his spell. What are the chances that a sword made 1000 years before and in a tomb filled with Wrights he had summoned and embodied to curse dead kings he defeated would end up making its way to the final battle of the war of the ring just at the moment he was about to claim victory over Gandalf. He doesn't break the wand in the book but Tolkien said he was so juiced up on Sauron pouring his demonic energies into him that it would have been 50/50 against Gandalf that night.
Why didn't he simply send the other Nazguls to kill Noman?
The movies don't show it but the books do, all the nazgul basically by the time of pelennor fields have armies positioned all over western middle earth at choke points while other armies amass and move that would give them an almost guaranteed victory within weeks ring or no ring. Sauron turtled and focused on the economy and it was GG at this point. Rohan mending political fences with the Woses and moving 6k horses through the forest was something he didn't predict and that was the only reason there was Calverley reinforcements at Pealonir Had that not happened + Eowyn the war was one that day and if Sauron hadn't panicked and charged Aragorn taking his eye off the ball he would have still won after pealinor.
Why didn't they just shoot him?
Still less bullshit than the prophecy from Macbeth they got around because of a cesarian section.
Its literally why its in the book, Tolkien thought it was bullshit, the ents too too are a call back to shakespeare when in mcbeath the dress up in foliage so its an army of trees. Tolkien made it a real army.
I don't know why people harp on taking the eagles to mount doom, Gandalf tells them to do that before he falls
how many times do you morons need to be told about the Nazgul riders?
Why are the odds he lands in front of the 2 Rhohirrim that aren't men? And one of them has a magic dagger made to kill specifically him?
Million to one, so about 90%
Come to think of it, the elves had a lot more power at the end of the Third Age than they let on. They had their rings, they had this reincarnated gigachad elf that 1v1 a balrog, they had girlboss Galadriel who was one of the OG motherfrickers, they had Elrond who had made Loremaster rank by that point and they had two full forests worth of killer Hawkeye-level archers like Legolas. You telling me an army of elves led by those three would not have a chance against the big guy? They could brute force Mordor and toss the ring that way. And yes, the fricking Eagles could have helped and I am sick of pretending this is not a plot hole. If not carrying the ring, they could have at the very fricking least dealt with the lower level nazgul. There was entire tribe of them, I am sure they could have outnumbered and overpowered eight suits of armor riding on flying lizards.
The elves were fading and losing interest in the future, hence almost being ensnared with the rings. Even the three less corrupted rings mainly kept things as they were instead of letting the future come to pass.
They weren't sure Sauron still existed until the hobbit. They thought the necromancer was just the Witchking. Galadriel tears down Dol Guldur after the finding out its Sauron and chases him off. Glorfindel has Sauron's eye constantly on him as he goes about resisting I doubt he could do anything in secret to prepare for war and Elrond was in a slow war of attrition against the Nazgul around Arnor all through the third age and it sounded like from the appendix he was losing. Arnor was fractured and ruined and more and more dragons and trolls filled the north It's how Elrond adopted Aragorn. Trolls got his father.
So even thousands of years ago, they had trolls, too?
The original Gothmog had a bodyguard of trolls
It is also supremely stupid that they let four hobbits into the fellowship. That just meant that nearly half the party could not fight for shit. I realize Frodo wanted his boy toy along for those cold lonely nights but Elrond should have at least included a couple more elvish badasses that did not glow in the dark the way Glorfindel did.
Man, in retrospect, frick this story. I hope they have Morf bang the two Saurons in a threesome in the second season just for the seething fanbois.
This post is moronic on so many levels
It's actually kind of impressive
Like all tolkien things
I wonder why Tolkien fretted over orcs but not trolls having souls.
I guess I can see trolls being automatons of malice made from
stone that are animated with bits of Morgoth's evil soul and merely extensions of his will. It would explain why they turn to stone when exposed to the light of the sun. they are soulless darkness from the time before the sun.
Considering the ringwraiths were tied to Sauron, they really should have been unkillable until Sauron was dispatched. Doesn't make much sense that getting stabbed in the face would kill the Witch King of Angmar, considering he didn't actually have a face, or a body.
They were. They got drowned and bodies unraveled in the flood, crept back to Mordor and put themselves back together. The sword the little gayot had was specifically crafted by the same kind of craftsmanship that made the rings of power to unravel and decouple a Nazgûl’s flesh from Sauron’s will.
Ringwraiths/Blackriders/The Nazgul
What do you call them, frens?
I wonder what it means that the witch king went to the abyss/obliterated while Sauron when he was defeated continues to linger as a soul.
Does Eru give Maiar more chances than men? Or is Suaron still less evil than the witch king?
Think his dick still works?