RIP half of the story.
So he was brought back from death by his notdead partner and then gets drowned by planet DEI.
and we get a whopping 3 minutes of Empire in episode 6.
They really want this show to be cancelled.
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the show is shit but he's a robot now, not a human. the woman in the giant statue (his wife) was also a robot. Just like Demerzel. Obviously this season is going to finally give some info on Demerzel being a robot and how long she's been around and what plans she has concocted. She is behind most of the events in the show, a long term plan.
Wait he's a robot? I never read the books and honestly with the way bookgays complain about it, I figured it wouldn't help anyway.
so he's not dead then? and how wouldn't he know he's a robot, he literally stabbed himself in the hand to make sure he was human..so is his body more advanced than demerzel?
I mean it's pretty clear he's a robot of some kind just like Demerzel. They get to the planet and he's some kind of hologram, then he goes through the door into that facility and comes out "alive" again. It's clear he was given a physical body for some purpose of the plan.
Even his "wife" in the flashback was probably a robot too, part of the plan to finish the prime radiant and start the foundation to preserve humanity.
Later this season there's going to be an entire episode focused on Demerzel so I assume we will have a lot of revelations about her past and what is happening.
Well that is the thing I've been waiting on because I assume things are going out of order and out of her control? because if she wanted to start a war to eliminate humanity, it doesn't seem to be too hard to do so i'm guessing her plan is something other than control or annihilation.
They're going to box themselves in here:
>so you mean Demerzel was behind the genetic dynasty and the collapse of the Empire in the the first place?
>uhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>it had to be this way two more weeks trust the plan
I mean the more I think about it, even if she naturally does this "Every empire wanes, so she resets the galactic control device that controls humanity" type of thing..I don't know, seems like we're about to run into bad writing, like you said.
I agree but honestly I feel like this is the last of Lee Pace's run unless someone knows something I don't
Her plan is to preserve humanity. The foundation is something she put into plan in order to help humanity survive the decline and chaos of Empire falling.
Well they made it obviously seem like his entire plan was based out of personal repression, so it seems fairly strange to frame it that way.
>Seldon is a robot
This genuinely disgusts me. I gather he's a robot because they did a time skip or something and wanted to use Harris still?
They literally killed him off again in episode 6 and what the anon suggesting the twist will be is his new miracle body is some form of advanced robo-body to show how far behind the Empire is technology wise and how Foundation keeps leap frogging technology wise. so a near human body that bleeds will survive him drowning, etc.
Is it still meant to be him or just a copy?
I mean the real body is either spaced or turned to ash on that ship remember, his consciousness got downloaded twice and one was in the device and the other is on terminus so I don't see how it could be a real body but a lot of foundation of science in this show might as well be magic. The show is oddly limited in some ways and broken in others. The ringworld rings they used on the planet shouldn't be possible, at least not at those size and there would be no point to building them that way. If they had energy shields capable of holding that much mass, even with their own self generated gravity..why not just build a literal shield for the planet..
or better yet a massive space station that just shoots whatever comes into the system. They went to this weird uptech'd direction but it strangely puts their civilization way beyond their own capacity that they shouldn't have the problems that they have.
They can build dyson rings which is clearly a type 1-2 tech yet they're struggling with dirt world mongrels?
I haven't watched it, just curious how it's diverted
They were using an advanced version of a skyhook to shuttle people and mass from atmo to the surface and then decided to build over a hundred years, 100 times that mass..in space..with no skyhook.
They clearly need to pay the writers more 😉
Just fricking no
>I don't watch the show I just want to talk about it
Imagine being this moronic
I was asking a question about the show because I'm interested in watching moron
>spoonfeed me everything I want to know NOW
Very feminine behavior, anon.
Low effort
Exactly, you live a low effort life and demand people explain everything to you. It's pathetic(and feminine). I'm glad you agree.
You can do better anon
Very low effort.
a lot.
Trantor is about the size of our moon if not a bit smaller.
The autobot thread they made to smear this one is ironic and funny
It's fairly obvious from all of the auto responses. No pictures and all phone posting.
It died so the marketer shill got fricked at least.
This show is seriously lacking in empire right now
The only thing we agree on is how weirdly lacking in it, it is. Though we'll see how badly it drops off without him.
oh so blackface is okay again?
>oh so blackface is okay again?
OH NO NO NO FOUNDATIOBROS WE GOT TOO wienerY
Why the frick is a woman building The Foundation?
You idiots cannot be serious.
Well its possibly being setup by a ASI instead of humans because humans can't save themselves, apparently.
I agree on Salvor but Gaal has been growing on me this season at least compared to season 1. Not to mention the haircuts they keep giving Salvor are ridiculous.
The show wants the foundations to also look bad is my guess.
Season 2 so far is a little bit better than season 1. Still a very flawed show.
The biggest weak points are the characters of Gaal and Salvor. Salvor's actress CANNOT ACT. She is fricking awful, and Gaal is a bit better but not by much and it's probably just her british accent doing the "acting." Either way having two "le strong black women" as the lead characters drags down the show so much, and they only made Salvor black for diversity points just like every other show these days casting a black womyn or making white characters black for diversity quotas.
If you eliminate those 2 characters or recast them the quality of the show dips up a bit.
Salvor is horrible but they took away the awful haircut
>I AM THE WARDEN OF TERMINUS
>I spend three hours every morning getting my flat top perfectly coiffed with the aid of my psychic powers
They need to do more than take away eraserhead
>Season 2 so far is a little bit better than season 1
this but opposite
pacing has been quite off past couple episode
thank dog I dropped this show 15 minutes into the first episode
Can't wait for more brown mary sue adventures! PLEASE israeliteS FEED ME MORE GOYSLOP!
Season 2 has been shit so far. Empire seems quite off and does not seem confident like himself.
Also the dominion queen actress is horrible, the fat chink monk character is shit and hober mellow is a charisma void
That was probably on purpose but it has made the story worse.
Making Hobar Mallow a Marvel character is slightly worse than Gay Riose
he's like a bootleg han solo
>Season 2 has been shit so far. Empire seems quite off and does not seem confident like himself.
Its almost as if they are trying to make him look dumb to elevate the negress or something, it really makes you think.
why so many homosexuals on the show? on and off screen, why? why are the so many goddamn homosexuals everywhere?
That is a better question to ask all of hollywood in general
Only in it for Trantor to be nuked.
every week I fall deeper in love with Brother Constant. I want to rub her big wide broad face.
Is that Rose Tico's name?
I think so
Her and the Pajeet, Hober Mallow, Hari and Day / Demerzel are the only interesting cast on the show.
That said I also like Dawn / Dusk but they don't get enough screentime. Interested to see what happens to them in the next few episodes.
that's literally the whole main cast except the Black personesses
anon said what he said
>the Pajeet
Poly's not well written. I see what they want to do with the character with "lol u literally saw ur god but now do drugs" but it's so hamfisted and WARDEN JAEGERR (two Rs) didn't help
>Cleon I has 217 gigadongs of memory
>clones only average high 80s
At first I thought it was because Cleon I didn't have to sit around doing dining rituals with his clones but someone here said "a robutt did it" and I agree
just read the books dumbasses
Apparently this but hopefully we're not giving money to apple
But apparently empire is a small part of books and not really in there?
The genetic dynasty is a show only thing and doesn't exist in the books.
Why do I have to pretend this guy is a good actor or the character he was playing was at all interesting? Neither are true.
I guess I'll also add the gay general guy. If they didn't make him gay he would be fine but they shoehorned in a gay love romance for him that just feels completely forced and cringe.
Also, can someone explain to someone that hasn't read the books why all of the spacers look so similar, are they like clones or something? also why do they have a "hive ship" in the middle of no where?
>they shoehorned in a gay love romance for him
oh and it's his subordinate too so they can fly around the galaxy for plot/DEI reasons
Him and his subordinate have zero chemistry. Plus they're like 20-30 years apart which doesn't feel right.
Asimov rolling in his grave rn
They're a lot of old white guys spinning in their graves right now.
Seeing Seldon getting his mind controlled by Mentalics feels very wrong, and of course they have to kill the idea of the "great man" by rewriting the story into him getting his theory complete by a woman.
>testing the prediction against actual data? that's brilliant!
Seriously? What a fricking shit writing.
I'm glad AI is putting writers out of a job.
>Empire is controlled by robomommy
>Seldon is controlled by streetshittermommy
>The two sells of the show being undermined at the same time
>Why dont people care about us striking!?
lol seethe more
it's garbage in a sea of trash, why would I seethe
>testing the prediction against actual data? that's brilliant!
This one actually made me get up and walk around for a while
I'm fine killing off Seldon if it's at the service of establishing the mentalics as a big threat.
Well I think SwolePace doesn't like his younger self, he seems all together with the blonde but what is going on with that body language.
Theyre totally normal he's clearly his leather daddy
I was going to agree with you but every promo, behind the scenes or remotely related to this thing, he seems to either be standing near the blonde or touching her. I don't know what is going on there.
Jehovah's most secret heterosexual
He's married to a guy but won't stop touching women. A true weirdo.
I think other Anon might be right they might lead glassing of their own world. Gay self immolation to get back at the man.
>He's married to a guy but won't stop touching women. A true weirdo.
Andy Dick for Foundation S3 Golan Trevise
The cursed imagery. Also isn't he in jail right now
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Wat do
God, the last episode was already bad, but this one was even worse.
Is it really so hard to make good sci-fi for TV?
I really enjoyed the first season, but so far, I haven't liked any episodes of season 2.
Pace and Harris seem to be the only ones who know how to act, and they're the main reason I continue watching the show. Harris isn't dead; it's just a typical death cliffhanger to keep viewers hooked.
I watched the entire series of 'The Expanse' and it was really in season 4 when things took a turn. I continued with the series and then picked up the book that follows season 6. The writing is shit, especially the chapters focused on Bobby. I'm baffled as to how these books gained popularity. It seems people will consume just about anything these days.
I think the writing has really been all over the place this season
We're only 6 episodes in and I can't even figure out the main theme or conflict. Seems like it's about the Second Foundation, but it's mostly just pointless character drama so far. Why even get into it if it doesn't matter? Frick those homosexuals. Can't wait for AI to replace those Hollywood writers.
Actually, I am just going to start writing my own sci-fi with some AI help. Worst case? I write something just as bad.
the expanse writers? Well, that explains it then...
no they can be gay too
>no they can be gay too
I'm fairly certain the gay admiral will be vaporized by one of the black kweens after early successes.
For all their post-modernism, deconstructivism, and flipping the script, they've become super predictable. Wouldn't shock me if that's the path they're on.
Turns out that if all you're pushing is "white guys bad, diverse people good", you run out of fresh ideas quickly. Do it enough times, everyone else jumps on the bandwagon, and boom—no more surprises. people come to expect it, so no more subversion of expectations. Which was the entire point of it no?
well best I can tell, even though the writing does a terrible job of explaining it. The secret manipulator behind the scenes is crushing all obstacles to continued control by Empire and foundation is a reaction to Seldon's ideas and personal loss, literally. His street shitter waifu dies and he comes up with a plan of sedition, where as originally she (street shitter) was giving Seldon shit for essentially coming up with an idea that could upend the social order but he won't go all the way. Her death galvanizes him? Where his two foundation plan springs from only to find out that someone is going to exist in the future that is trying to wipe out said foundation..after foundation wipes out empire and apparently this is somehow robo-mommy's plan behind the plan where she created the environment for the variable(seldon) to come to fruition? I am guessing on the last few bits but based on other anon observations, all of that seems to fit back neatly into the bad writing of episode 6.
The science doesn't matter, might as well be magic..and he apparently couldn't do basic science and needed his waifu to tell him how to do it even though he has a PH.D in being oblivious and non-functioning.
>and he apparently couldn't do basic science and needed his waifu to tell him how to do it
this was literally inevitable
It shouldn't be though.
Why does a PHD need help with anything related in his own field despite maybe data analysis or some other type of thing where two people work together at a high level.
This is like someone helping him out with shit that you learn in grade school.
PhDs give each other advice all the time so there's nothing wrong with the concept in itself. But Seldon never having done forecast evaluation (something every 21st century data science undergrad can do) before his gf told him is silly.
I agree that collegial moment was probably the intention but they made him look like he couldn't do basic science.
All they needed was write it differently
>I can't solve this problem
>What if you used the [made up name] theorem to [math mumbo jumbo]?
>Wow, I never thought of my problem that way. Of course, [math mumbo jumbo]. It all makes sense now!
Done
I know but that makes too much sense.
Why even bother making a show called Foundation when it has frick all to do with the series. They didn't even do Seldon's prequel stuff the same.
>They didn't even do Seldon's prequel stuff the same
Anon, they didn't do anything from the books the same. I honestly think the writers/producers thought the brand name would be enough to rope in viewers, who would then enthusiastically lap up the generic globohomosexual slop on screen. I haven't seen season 2 yet, but season 1 was just shit.
I think they took an idea concept and just attached a name to it honestly.
I like some of the space visuals and if the casting had been better, this show could be an easy 8/10
It's funny, I would probably keep on with this show if it was called anything but foundation and names were changed, but as it is, I find it abhorrent
I feel like the same anons that watched the expanse are the same ones that are watching this. they're used to a level of shit.
Who cares about your feelings? What does the math say?
I watched all of Expanse while overseas for work. It stopped being any good after S2 but the books were bad too
Expanse doesn't have Lee Pace
I mean Expanse had Thomas Jane who is also a strong character actor, not unlike Pace. I feel like behind the scenes or in front of the reason why the show was so strong early on was his inclusion.
The expanse had a lot of things but it definitely needed some better editors.
I'm not sure it would have mattered honestly
I watched most of it as well.
I'm seeing this shit everywhere. It seems when there is an episode released there is always an article put up saying why X change is for the better. Last week it was feminism
fan-baiting is a thing and if it gets you to click it, then it worked.
It's the only thing they have to sell/market/shill. Story, casting, etc. are all shit so "muh diversity" is all that remains.
You know that Al-Qaeda means "foundation" and Bin Laden named it after the book? That's the kind of people it attracts.
>Bin Laden named it after the book
Bullshit theory, but attractive to midwits and pseuds
im confused about what story this series is trying to tell. its like the witcher; mostly uninteresting people doing mostly uninteresting shit across different mostly uninteresting timelines.
>its like the witcher
...And stopped reading there.
>gaal already has control of the mentalics
>demerzel and the robots are preparing humanity for a war against extragalactic aliens
>the gay dudes become the generals of the foundations super advanced military
>the religious couple get martyred
>gaal has a nude sex scene
I thought the whole point is that foundation fights the empire and then they weaken eachother until the second foundation takes over which gets btfo by the mule and something something Gaia Hivemind humanity can't evolve by itself anymore?
though I will be honest what you wrote is better than what we're going to get, fighting actual aliens would be a lot better than bad political machination 'writing'
No one cares what you thought, btw
What do you want to know?
the show was shit from the episode 1. the only good part is the empire
Which the quality of episodes seem to drop without him.
I recall the latter books having a planet with hermaphrodites (humans genetically engineered to be neither gender). I really really want the show to adapt this just to see booklets seethe about trannies not realizing this is book-accurate
why the frick are they making day into the dumbest homosexual in the galaxy?
are they course correcting for the last season where he was the most based man alive?
did the writers get scared?
they're trying to differentiate different 'eras' of days with each having a distinctive flaw, so instead of a strong and domineering/intelligent guy, we've been all over the place but even the strongest day still allowed a genetically tampered Dawn to continue to exist and my guess is that maybe that caused problems down the line?
they're the assistants of GRRM, i'm not even joking, their series got a huge push when original GoT was still popular.
Essentially. White men are not allowed to be competent in anything other than fricking up and dying.
How bad is it? I just finished the first book.
apart from the central theme, the books and the series have nothing in common, really.
Thanks for the replies. I think I’ll just skip all the scenes with blacks. Harris is just too good to pass up.
yeah about that..
I'm sorry anon in this one instance, he is surrounded by them. It will take great powers of mental dissonance to achieve your dream.
just wait a year or 2. Somebody will do an ai version with no blacks in it. won't save the bad acting though...
Enjoy and respect Empirekino, hatewatch the rest i like it despite being totally not foundation i am scifi starved
Empirekino is season 1. Now they cucked it into a boring-ass marriage court drama plot and reduced the watchtime that I unironically prefer any of the other plotlines simply because I already know they won't do shit with the empire one.
Salvor's casting was and is atrocious, they're trying to make her not look like a walking meme but they're up against it, at least the actress for gaal can emote some..and wants to look female.
The rest of the cast being Harris and Pace, Birn and rest of Empire side of things are fantastic.
>don't like the show
>read stupid reasons you guys don't like the show
>have an urge to defend this show
I am the king of contrarians
The second thing from the right is the person playing Salvor, who has a huge chunk of time in the first season and walks around with a haircut that is straight out of the late 80s and they stick 'her' with someone as a romantic partner that is literally impossible. The numbers don't match in any conceiveable way and that is how they start season 1.
So..its going but I think the anons starved for SCIFI are putting up with anything because yeah..
like this anon said
Anon don't be that guy.
because white men are stupid and the future is female. It's not driven by the internal logic of the plot but by the social propaganda, they want to push on you.
so what do you don't like?
>make movie out of book
>has nothing to do with the book except for the name
Why is every Asimov adaptation like this? I, robot was about debugging dumb robots walking in circles but it got turned into a will smith action flick.