France and Japan are the only peoples who ever truly understood aesthetics and how to make comics and cartoons right.
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France and Japan are the only peoples who ever truly understood aesthetics and how to make comics and cartoons right.
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>no autistic screen shaking that makes morons go OOOOOH
>no cubic pieces of rubble
France > Japan
It does have screen shake, it's just present trought all the shot so you don't notice as much.
>motion tween
Into the trash it goes
what was tweened?
I'm not seeing a lot of tweening in that specific clip
Only France does. Nips lack soul to create worthwhile art.
I wonder if it's the same poster, or a group of Discord Frens coordinating all the weeb b8 lately. On a website created to discuss anime.
I swear these East vs. West threads or Europe/Japan vs. United States threads are made in collaboration by discordBlack folk. God, Discord is great for trolling servers but the serious users are complete morons.
I mean, it's a good thing that they can be openly racist here. That's much better than them pretending otherwise.
France is complete garbage in both its comics and cartoons and now they're just a cheap imitation of Japanese comics and cartoons.
Delusional.
France itself would laugh at your post and tell you to frick off.
America once did for animation but they fricked everything up. Comics-wise though it's fricking shocking how much Japan, France, and Belgium just completely blow America the frick out aestherically.
More like the Anglosphere lost its way. Both Japan and France got it from the US.
There would be no manga if Tezuka didn't take from Carl Barks, or Shigeu Mizuki from EC. There would be no BD if it weren't for those early comic strips (Alex Raymond, Hal Foster, Milt Caniff, Walt Kelly and George McManus).
Manga existed before Tezuka and Mizuki. You could definitely argue it wouldn't have been as big as it is now (and I'd agree), but it'd still exist.
BD was invented in French-speaking Switzerland, began in France, was exported to the US who introduced a few novelties (mainly the balloons) tyhat made their way back to France. and then came the Belgian who invented modern BD.
>There would be no manga if Tezuka didn't take from Carl Barks,
the moron take as usual.
>facts are moronic takes now
Cry more, little b***h.
It’s because the human body isn’t viewed a sinful expression against god in their countries.
>It’s because the human body isn’t viewed a sinful expression against god in their countries.
Do Americans really still believe that?
That is one part of the belief of some Christian and catholic organizations
And some muslim organizations
Other countries have modesty and their own form of purity but it's not forced to be shown through art
But over all, it's only some Americans who believe in the human body being sinful and should not be shown
Remember when American economy fell because of this?
No because I'm a zoomer who doesn't know what that is
Did you know American "live tv" actually have a five second delay because of this clip?
What do you mean?
Will Smith's f-bomb was censored because amerisharts are snowflake homosexuals
i thought it was due to people killing themselves during live chases
Basically that.
I think the problem is only in the designs, nobody says that they are superior at writing stories
Look how simple but effective this girl looks for example
who is this semen demon?
Sarah Vanderstadt apparently. I belieeeeve she's just a one-off character from an episode of Marsupilami (specifically the series "Our Neighbour Marsupilami".)
true
Japanese depict white peopke better than whites themselves.
Whites hate themselves. The rest of the world loves Whites.
Disclaimer: This only applies to American and Americanized Whites.
>Disclaimer: This only applies to American and Americanized Whites
It's been here and growing in Europe for years now anon
You don't have any reason to. Europe has s past and history. Be proud of yourselves.
It's an American export, i.e. Americanized whites
Why do whites think anime characters are white?
Coping mechanism because anime is mogging cartoons. It's like the sad version of WE WUZZING, except this time they claim to be a drawing instead of pharaohs.
Because the linework in the design of the faces of anime character resemble more closely caucasian profiles.
And of course this is because Tezuka was inspired by Disney.
he wasn't the only one doing it, Japan after the was copied all american things all over the place
Morrigan is Scottish so in this case the example still stands
Interesting.
Self obsession + similar skin tone.
Most people try to see themselves in what they see. And if they consume it constantly, they slowly shift their belief as to what they are.
Simplistic/cartoony character design helps this misplaced belief.
>image related is caucasian profile
>is inspired by disney
>so draws triangle faced animals???
>and every nip thereafter couldn't draw an animal
A lot characters are explicitly white.
The best anime is the anime with enough definition to the character's features so you can actually make out heir ethnicity
Anime is designed to have no details on characters so you can self insert or choose what you want each character to be moron
Yes those German names and bios explicitly stating these characters are german was just a coincidence
So nothing to do with their design, got it
Except their blonde hair, eye shape, eye color, face structure and skin tone, yeah.
Some animes feature very distinctly asian characters, other feature very distinctly Caucasian characters.
The only good Japanese comic is Akira and you know it homosexual
On the scale of creative freedom I probably would choose France as #2.
They're still not Japan by any stretch of the imagination.
The French animation is just a shitty copy-paste faux anime cartoon. They're nothing more than abunch of talentless hacks imitatingwhat the Japanese are doing, only worse. French animation is like Japanese anime but at home or something that you would find dead and rotting behind the dumpster in the alleyway.
I bet that half of the comics you think are French are actually Belgian.
Even if they are Belgian, they use French as their main language.
>Even if they are Irish, they use English as their main language.
Frogs are based.
American show.
... My dude ? Do some research. The animation studio is Fortiche (meaning "wicked strong" in French). They're french. The whole staff is french. Their headquarters are in Paris. The directors are named "Pascal Charrue" and "Arnaud Delord", you can't do any frencher.
OBVIOUSLY the scenario and writing is mainly handled in America, and Riot Games keeps heavy supervision, but the animation in Arcane IS french, period.
So yeah, american show... with french animation.
You're just a troll. It isn't French animation because the idea wasn't from France.
Is like there was an Australian film with Australian writers but everything was done by an American studio, yet it's not being sold as an American film, but as Australian animation.
Arcane is an American show made by French animators but it isn't French animation.
My man what are you talking about. I just said that it's an american show, but the animation IS french. You can have different parts of a show from different parts of the world, I don't see how it's unreasonable to say that the show is from somewhere but the animation from somewhere else,
ESPECIALLY with outsourced inbetweening/inking/colouring which should really get some well-earned recognition after getting swept under the rug for so many years.
>literally only French people design and direct the animation
>"this isn't French animation though"
And Atari is a Japanese video game company, right?
Oh noooo, you got meee, i'm french so i couldn't possibly recognize that something made in france has massive participation from another coun-YOU FOOL
of COURSE Atari is japanese, AND french, AND american, I'm not afraid to admit it and neither should anybody.
See, that's something I really dislike with modern industry (as in industry at large, not just the animation industry) : the total REFUSAL so recognize team effort. Everything HAS to be from THE director, totally forgetting their team, it HAS to come from ONE country, no matter how many participated and how much, etc.
Do you guys remember Inspector Gadget ? What was that show, American ?
Well, the original idea was from a french guy and a canadian guy (which by your logic would make that show french-canadian), BUT it was mostly written in america AND entierly animated in japan. So what what it ?
Well back then, we said it was a french-canadian-american-japanese coproduction. It was literally what people called it anytime they needed to talk about the show's production. I don't get why we don't do that anymore.
So yeah. Arcane is a french-american show. It's written, and voiced in america, it's animated in france. WHY is that such a bad thing to say ?
>frog
>wall of text
the memes write themselves
>t. Leaf
>frenchies riding on Japan's coattails
nice try muhammed
>France and Japan are the only peoples who ever truly understood aesthetics
I'd argue that Italy is among these as well
Why Italy?
because Italy has (or at least had) a great production. Reminder they partially made the Winx
There's also the works of Bruno Bozzetto, especially his films, like Allegro Non Troppo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqh6B8MeuC8) or West and Soda (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dddJqZqLmd0&t=1066s)
>ITT: France has conquered Belgium
ngl, I don't think BD would have existed in its current form without the symbiotic relationship.
Belgian comics wouldn't have become a powerhouse without the french market right across the border, and french authors wouldn't have found so many inspirations and work opportunities without Belgium.
Also that. So many italian comic artists are absolutely awesome. Serpieri, Critone,...
>Japan
>comics and cartoons
anon...
Yes.
I've watched Arcane's Behind the Scenes video, and the Frenchcucks played zero part in the writing and the early development stage of Arcane. The Americans came up with the idea and made the show a reality. Arcane is an American show.
This. So fricking this. Arcane has none of the qualities of French animation. Arcane is purely and entirely an American show and I'm tired of moronic Americans trying to say otherwise. Connards.
go back to your branlette. nobody watch your pseud shorts.
youre right. the writer they got has never touched animation before so thats why making it a proper drama worked out. if they didnt do this they probably would have been doing nothing but "fight porn" like the director said they did not want or just a collection of shorts like riot has been doing for a decade. Arcane would have been canned years ago if it wasnt going to work out as a mature show.
>The Americans came up with the idea and made the show a reality
the guy who "came u^with the idea" is German. the CEO of Riot who validated the project and "made the show a reality" is French.
the Amerimutts and other Frenchcucks only took care of the unimportant details later on.
it's a German-French show.
We.
Are not.
Talking.
Writing.
We are talking about the animation. The animation is made in france by french people. It is directed by two french guys, and is handled by an all-french team.
This thread is here to discuss the qualities of french and japanese animation, so whether or not a show is written somewhere else is irrelevant.
(although i will say, i may be french and defend the proper credit given to the french animators here, but i also don't think pitting countries against each other because "well MY animation is better" is a good thing. French animation can be very good, japanese animation can be very good, american animation can be very good, each one's just gotta play to its strengths and hope for a good enough budget)
I'm. I'm actually baffled by this. Am i understanding correctly that, as a french person, you REFUSE credit to the french animators... because it "doesn't look french" ???
I genuinely don't get that. It's VERY high quality animation, with an attention to detail everywhere, characters that sweat and bleed personality through every pore, amazing rigs that even simulate skin deforming when touched by someone else, and super pretty sfx.
Shouldn't that be something to be proud of ???
>We are talking about the animation
>It's VERY high quality animation
arcane's stroke painted artstyle caries it more than its "very high quality" animation which frankly it really doesnt have since you only want to talk about that aspect of the show.
the show is very well directed, has good layouts and has tons of well place visual effects but the animation itself is not poor but its also not something to write home about. Its not something you should even notice because most of the show is subtle but personal details related to each character in the show. thats why half of the time scenes are acted out with people and used as reference later on.
there were only a few moments in the show where i thought "wow i cant believe they bothered to animate a thing this way" and like most people who pretend to care about the quality of somethings animation, it went completely over their heads in favor of some fight.
The studio is good at pulling these type of things off because all they have ever focused on is visual aspects with no form of dialog or strong narrative but stacked full of symbolism e.g all of the music videos they have done over the years.
does making music videos translate to make a good show for a visual aspect? i guess it does and that wasnt even the only thing to come out and be that type of situation.
but strong visual elements alone is not what makes a good show (not for people who arent weebs who also dont know what to look for when judging animation quality) otherwise people would toss it aside as artsie pretentious bullshit. you need well made characters, have the writing to connect all these characters and have a narrative to make the show what it is.
Arcane is an amazing because its done well almost all aspects to what makes a great show vs a few shows who are highly rated for only getting 2-3 things right vs shows that completely drop the ball for having 1 aspect be poorly mismanaged despite doing several things correct.
You know, I'm actually gonna agree with you on most of that. I'm still gonna say that the animation quality is well above average though, but you're perfectly right in saying that doesn't do everything.
The thing is, and indeed that is something not everyone might notice, but Arcane's character animation is FULL of microexpressions, these entirely unconscious mini-reactions that betray the inner thoughts of the character. Watch any scene where someone faces inner turmoil or unexpected circumstances (which is pretty often since this is angst : the show), and look at the amount of different microexpressions they go through, while still being natural. It's good BECAUSE you don't really notice it when you're just watching normally, BUT still subconsciously helps you relate to the character.
I genuinely think they're very good at that, as well as making ever character act in a unique and personal manner, and move in ways that feel both realistic and interesting.
Honestly i'm not even a big fan of the show, i'm just that interested in its animation.
Unrelated :
I think I may have kinda poisoned this thread by defending my point this virulently, so lemme add that honestly, we should be here to celebrate french and japanese animation, NOT to put down american animation (even if that was OP's intent, i don't care).
Let's just enjoy and praise what's good about one thing, we don't have to badmouth something else to do that.
(and on that, frenchoid lady's going to sleep, see y'all in the morrow)
>I think I may have kinda poisoned this thread by defending
most people are used this type of obtuse mindset and repetitive topic making but like i said before atleast you were willing to listen to someone giving you genuine replies, which on a board like Cinemaphile is rare because everyone is so quick to just shitpost about everything.
>we should be here to celebrate french and japanese animation
and enjoying something and holding discussion on Cinemaphile that isnt laced with coom is also very rare otherwise you get called a shill for speaking your mind. also japan has their own entire board so other than the increasing amount of collaborations we get from time to time that stuff should stay over there. you might not get technical arguments about something on Cinemaphile but they doesnt mean you wont find it on Cinemaphile. too bad most attempts of this are quickly turned into flinging shitshows contests by morons.
But its Cinemaphile, if we dont badmouth something in comparison how are we supposed to fill threads
>I'm. I'm actually baffled by this. Am i understanding correctly that, as a french person, you REFUSE credit to the french animators... because it "doesn't look french" ???
Do you think Batman the Animated Series is an anime because one of its studios was in Japan?
Don't bother. American will say that Sonic Satam is made by american despite being made by a parisian studio, and will say just after that Sonic Underground is made by french.
This has to be one of the most reddit post I've ever read on this website
Indeed.
why are there coping schizos like @132418531 in every thread mentioning french animation?
same reason weebs come here and do the same about korepanime but the french gays have slightly more braincells as they atleast listen to what others have to say.
What about Ireland
Yes.
Based
Les noirs.
Oh yeah, Mutafukaz is a pretty good piece of french animation, totally forgot about that movie !
Anime is more about style than country of origin methinks. So, just like i said above, BtAS should be referred as American-Japanese (cause again, high time the overseas outsourced animators get their fricking credit), but that has nothing to do with it being anime.
Same for AtlA, American-korean.
>"lol i can't read more than 10 words in a row"
Partly ! I'm not saying
Anime is a pretentious way to say Japanese animation because it's derived from how they spell it in the latin alphabet.
If you are able to see it as a cultural style and not of geographic origin, then I'll not only assume you think the French make anime but that French anon is right when he disowns it for being American.
As a Brit I disown the Amazing World of Gumball and the new Danger Mouse because they are purely American despite the former's British production and the latter being made "for" the British market.
BtAS was entirely an American style and no-one can tell if the episode they're currently watching was made in Spain, Korea or Japan without contextual knowledge.
>the Amazing World of Gumball
>purely American despite the British production
created by a Frenchman, therefore French.
simple as.
>Anime is a pretentious way to say Japanese animation
Or maybe I don't wanna say "japanese animation" every time I have to mention it. It's funny because you're the pretentious one getting mad that such a gigantic industry has its own name.
Japanese animation is just a pretentious way of saying "Japanese cartoons".
You're so pretentious and insecure.
what was the deal with this? how did franks and japs make a cartoon about american hood culture?
sauce?
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So all the cartoons animated by koreans are now korean? Is Atla korean?
America is just not a real first world country in many aspects
Why?