There's a difference between early Fraisier and an assembly line sitcom that airs at 930 on a Wednesday. Frasier is becoming exactly that in Season 8. That is the point I was making.
I always thought it got more dramatic in Season 8. The show always had a serious moment now and then but then you have entire episodes that are overtly dramatic or over the top sappy.
yep i'm trudging through season 11 now, there's barely any jokes. the only "humor" is just slapstick or just the fact that a situation is awkward. the episode i just gave up on had a joke where niles was rubbing his nipples
It made it to 11 fricking seasons? That's too much for any show. What season did Frasier get "flanderized" and start shrieking and acting manic all the time like he's overcaffeinated? That's what I remember of the later seasons, and I associate it with the camera looking clearer and less grainy for some reason.
Friends was very similar. First 2-3 seasons, everybody is reasonably normal, but turn on a later season episode and Monica looks like someone stretched her face skin back and stapled it to the back of her head, and she's constantly screaming. It feels like everybody is "yell talking."
>What season did Frasier get "flanderized" and start shrieking and acting manic all the time like he's overcaffeinated?
Halfway through Season 8, hence why Seasons 9 and 10 were so poorly received. It's fascinating because Daphne went to other way around and become one of the most serious characters.
yeah i think the writers just couldn't imagine a sitcom wife where the wife WASN'T the calm and rational one and DIDN'T play the straight man to her goofy husband kek
How did we go from Lucy acting moronic every episode to only the husband characters acting moronic?
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I guess it was something similar to what the subversion in The X-Files with Mulder & Scully did. The trope was subverted to the point it became the nodm.
Frasier is bad actually. Frasier is misogynistic and transphobic and perpetuates genocide. It shouldn't even be called Frasier, cos that isn't what the show is about really. It's all right here...
>Why don’t we just call it "There’s Something About Maris" or "This Show F--king Hates Women?" Why, in 2022, following a media spectacle masquerading as a “trial” that essentially sounded the death knell of MeToo and multiple coordinated and pretty f--king successful political moves to control women and strip them of their rights, in the middle of an actual f---king g---cide of transpeople are we still feeling so cozy about the media that made us like this? Why don’t we call it Kelsey Grammar R---- a 15 Year Old Girl in a Hotel Room in 1993 and a Grand Jury Refused to Indict Because She Waited a Year to Report? He was 37 years old and he had r---- a child multiple times in a hotel room two months before Frasier premiered and it still went on to run for 11 seasons and he went on to become one of the highest paid television actors of all time. Oh well, sad for her but we wouldn’t want a talented man’s career to be ruined by the consequences of his own f---king actions.
Frasier is bad actually. Frasier is misogynistic and transphobic and perpetuates genocide. It shouldn't even be called Frasier, cos that isn't what the show is about really. It's all right here...
>Why don’t we just call it "There’s Something About Maris" or "This Show F--king Hates Women?" Why, in 2022, following a media spectacle masquerading as a “trial” that essentially sounded the death knell of MeToo and multiple coordinated and pretty f--king successful political moves to control women and strip them of their rights, in the middle of an actual f---king g---cide of transpeople are we still feeling so cozy about the media that made us like this? Why don’t we call it Kelsey Grammar R---- a 15 Year Old Girl in a Hotel Room in 1993 and a Grand Jury Refused to Indict Because She Waited a Year to Report? He was 37 years old and he had r---- a child multiple times in a hotel room two months before Frasier premiered and it still went on to run for 11 seasons and he went on to become one of the highest paid television actors of all time. Oh well, sad for her but we wouldn’t want a talented man’s career to be ruined by the consequences of his own f---king actions.
the quoted rant starts at 29:35 if anyone wants to see how embarrassingly performative it is while she literally reads her own script off a screen and pretends to cry at how profound it is.
anyway, >the media that made us like this
the frick are they talking about, media doesn't dictate how we think, it's the other way around, people write about shit that's going on in their life and in the world. all art is a product of its time. art that was progressive for its time (which frasier was) will inevitably become outdated as society progresses beyond it. it's moronic to look back at old art and expect it to remain progressive by a modern standard when it was birthed in a world that was so far behind.
might as well call it low production value because it's in 4:3 and low resolution.
"the past was worse." much commentary, very insight.
>all art is a product of its time
wrong, art is transcendental and will always transcend the artist, its epoch and message
there's a reason why people still like music, paintings, sculptures and literary works from hundreds of years ago
>there's a reason why people still like music, paintings, sculptures and literary works from hundreds of years ago
liking something has nothing to do with the conditions that let to that thing's creation. loving the taste of onions isn't the same experience as spending 3 months buried in dirt.
>Why don’t we call it Kelsey Grammar R---- a 15 Year Old Girl in a Hotel Room in 1993 and a Grand Jury Refused to Indict Because She Waited a Year to Report? He was 37 years old and he had r---- a child multiple times in a hotel room two months before Frasier premiered
A grand jury decided not to indict. Being accused of something does not equate to guilt. If a grand jury of the public has decided there is no case to answer, who is this person to cast judgement?
?t=56 >Okay, I'll tell you what chair I want. >I want the chair I was sitting in when I watched Neil Armstrong take his first step on the moon. >And when the U.S. hockey team beat the Russians in the '80 Olympics. >I want the chair I was sitting in the night you called me to tell me I had a grandson. >I want the chair I was in all those nights, when your mother used to wake me up with a kiss after I'd fallen asleep in front of the television. >You know, I still fall asleep in it. And every once in a while, when I wake up, I still expect your mother to be there, ready to lead me off to bed... >Oh, never mind. It's only a chair. Come on, Eddie.
Quinoa
>I brought everything I need to make my signature pomegranate honey sauce.. I will need a ramekin for each of your guests! >Oh dear, this is bad... two of them are mismatched! It's alright if they're all mismatched, or in pairs, but two is just unheard of!
Times you realized Frasier was, and always has been, right?
Frasier was right. She wasn't hosting a party for nobodies who wouldn't know what a ramekin is or how to spell it. She was hosting it for type of bluebloods he and Niles would typically have over. Mismatched ramekins would indeed have been a colossal faux pas. You may as well serve your guests spam in the can at that point.
'ove me old tv shows.
'ate me needless reboots.
Simple as.
based Niles, literally me
>cavernous apartment
Whoa there Rockefeller
Is it me or does the show has a different vibe after season 8?
Too many tossed salads and not enough scrambled eggs if you catch my drift
OG writers left after 7 and came back in the final season
I'm watching Season 8 now. The series is very sitcommy at this point. Feels like a completely different show.
>The series is very sitcommy at this point.
anon...
There's a difference between early Fraisier and an assembly line sitcom that airs at 930 on a Wednesday. Frasier is becoming exactly that in Season 8. That is the point I was making.
I always thought it got more dramatic in Season 8. The show always had a serious moment now and then but then you have entire episodes that are overtly dramatic or over the top sappy.
yep i'm trudging through season 11 now, there's barely any jokes. the only "humor" is just slapstick or just the fact that a situation is awkward. the episode i just gave up on had a joke where niles was rubbing his nipples
It made it to 11 fricking seasons? That's too much for any show. What season did Frasier get "flanderized" and start shrieking and acting manic all the time like he's overcaffeinated? That's what I remember of the later seasons, and I associate it with the camera looking clearer and less grainy for some reason.
Friends was very similar. First 2-3 seasons, everybody is reasonably normal, but turn on a later season episode and Monica looks like someone stretched her face skin back and stapled it to the back of her head, and she's constantly screaming. It feels like everybody is "yell talking."
>What season did Frasier get "flanderized" and start shrieking and acting manic all the time like he's overcaffeinated?
Halfway through Season 8, hence why Seasons 9 and 10 were so poorly received. It's fascinating because Daphne went to other way around and become one of the most serious characters.
yeah i think the writers just couldn't imagine a sitcom wife where the wife WASN'T the calm and rational one and DIDN'T play the straight man to her goofy husband kek
How did we go from Lucy acting moronic every episode to only the husband characters acting moronic?
I guess it was something similar to what the subversion in The X-Files with Mulder & Scully did. The trope was subverted to the point it became the nodm.
That's precisely why Seinfeld ended at S9. The cracks were already showing by then.
I'm on season 6 and I hate this ((mofo))
both him and onscreen maris were terrible
>onscreen maris
That never happened. Do you mean Mel?
anon...
I like whippets.
Where is that maris.jpg from?
The actress they originally wanted before going with no one?
It was David pick for Maris
The actress Daphne pick for Maris was some fat romania gypsy lmao
The Powers That Be, the chick is Valerie Mahaffey
isn't that frasier's temp?
pretty sure it's John Allen Hill's daughter Valerie that Sam dated (just to piss off JAH) on Cheers
It's possibly georges hot 'pretentious' arthoe accountant too
That Chinese dress did things for me.
I'm not saying kno'msayin but I'm sayin' kno'msayin. for me it's almost any green eyed redhead
Damn I didn't know George's pretentious girlfriend started banging Frasier after getting out of the looney bin.
god damn, i watch both series' on repeat throughout the year and never noticed this
yes mel is just onscreen maris
He plays the most annoying israelites of all time. He did it in Star Trek TNG too
Cut rate Paul Reiser.
>show deliberately includes a mincing israelite for the audience to hate
That's what I call kino.
Frasier SUCKS
YOU SUCK
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!
Yeah, I fricking said it. FRASIER SUCKS
WHAT!?
Christmas episode of new series was kino
Frasier is bad actually. Frasier is misogynistic and transphobic and perpetuates genocide. It shouldn't even be called Frasier, cos that isn't what the show is about really. It's all right here...
>Why don’t we just call it "There’s Something About Maris" or "This Show F--king Hates Women?" Why, in 2022, following a media spectacle masquerading as a “trial” that essentially sounded the death knell of MeToo and multiple coordinated and pretty f--king successful political moves to control women and strip them of their rights, in the middle of an actual f---king g---cide of transpeople are we still feeling so cozy about the media that made us like this? Why don’t we call it Kelsey Grammar R---- a 15 Year Old Girl in a Hotel Room in 1993 and a Grand Jury Refused to Indict Because She Waited a Year to Report? He was 37 years old and he had r---- a child multiple times in a hotel room two months before Frasier premiered and it still went on to run for 11 seasons and he went on to become one of the highest paid television actors of all time. Oh well, sad for her but we wouldn’t want a talented man’s career to be ruined by the consequences of his own f---king actions.
>please put me in the screenshot
Always makes me kek when they actually do.
Expanded one, frick that purple haired troll kek
frick simon
GOOD GOD the purple haired troony creature I simply CANNOT!
We've got him on video in the act. Sideshow Bob is basically his real self.
based gif
>Sideshow Bob is his real self
I knew there was a reason I liked him.
This was my hairline at 15. lmao
Consider protest suicide
>perpetuates genocide
You had my curiosity, now you have my attention
AHHHH FRICK A troony JUST CAME ON THE SCREEN
PUT A WARNING OR SOMETHING
the quoted rant starts at 29:35 if anyone wants to see how embarrassingly performative it is while she literally reads her own script off a screen and pretends to cry at how profound it is.
anyway,
>the media that made us like this
the frick are they talking about, media doesn't dictate how we think, it's the other way around, people write about shit that's going on in their life and in the world. all art is a product of its time. art that was progressive for its time (which frasier was) will inevitably become outdated as society progresses beyond it. it's moronic to look back at old art and expect it to remain progressive by a modern standard when it was birthed in a world that was so far behind.
might as well call it low production value because it's in 4:3 and low resolution.
"the past was worse." much commentary, very insight.
>she
>her
lol. you're the same kind of homosexual as that thing
there's two people talking in the video, one is a woman
>all art is a product of its time
wrong, art is transcendental and will always transcend the artist, its epoch and message
there's a reason why people still like music, paintings, sculptures and literary works from hundreds of years ago
>there's a reason why people still like music, paintings, sculptures and literary works from hundreds of years ago
liking something has nothing to do with the conditions that let to that thing's creation. loving the taste of onions isn't the same experience as spending 3 months buried in dirt.
>food analogy
opinion discarded
>media doesn't dictate how we think
loooooooooooooooooooooooooool
holy shit
>Why don’t we call it Kelsey Grammar R---- a 15 Year Old Girl in a Hotel Room in 1993 and a Grand Jury Refused to Indict Because She Waited a Year to Report? He was 37 years old and he had r---- a child multiple times in a hotel room two months before Frasier premiered
A grand jury decided not to indict. Being accused of something does not equate to guilt. If a grand jury of the public has decided there is no case to answer, who is this person to cast judgement?
Because they're a troon with an ax to grind.
>The grand jury heard six hours of testimony Thursday from the girl before deciding not to indict Grammer, 40, on rape charges.
...How is Niles able to simultaneously look like the biggest Chad and the gayest man alive?
I love niles but he's not a chad
Look at that goddamn chin:
look at that hairline
>biggest Chad
What?
>biggest Chad
Gets on the Segway
>and the gayest man alive
Gets off
>it's a frasier dad remembers his wife episode
Wheres my sticky hiroshimoot?
Speaking of Mahoney, I saw that movie where he plays a gay, sassy homie in charge of a restaurant and he really fits the role.
why didnt they use footage where he acually pretends to be dead for this meme
>pic
I recognize you, Scoob
>it's a Marty is very upset with his boys and tells them if only their mother could see the way they're acting episode
>Noooo you can't mock my shitty steakhouse restaurant where they frick your clothes up even though I always make fun of your interests
Found the fatherless Black.
I'm the one who shot him
A big part of the show is Marty learning to make up for making his sons feel inadequate when they were younger.
?t=56
>Okay, I'll tell you what chair I want.
>I want the chair I was sitting in when I watched Neil Armstrong take his first step on the moon.
>And when the U.S. hockey team beat the Russians in the '80 Olympics.
>I want the chair I was sitting in the night you called me to tell me I had a grandson.
>I want the chair I was in all those nights, when your mother used to wake me up with a kiss after I'd fallen asleep in front of the television.
>You know, I still fall asleep in it. And every once in a while, when I wake up, I still expect your mother to be there, ready to lead me off to bed...
>Oh, never mind. It's only a chair. Come on, Eddie.
Quinoa
good thread, thank you
I fricken loved Frasier. Comfiest show ever made.
>I AM DARIUS EMMANUEL GROUCH THE THIRD (THE RUMBLE)
frick you
What season do Daphne’s unfunny relatives show up in?
Near the end of Season 7.
Could someone please post the screencap about the autistic guy turning into Frasier?
I know this is bullshit, but I hope that it isn’t.
it's the ultra autistic Frasieranon, he's telling his story but saying he witnessed it happen to "his cousin"
you think someone would just do that? go on the internet and lie?
This really happened because I choose to believe it happened.
This could all be bullshit and it would still be hilarious
Nu-Frasier is funny as frick and has some soul. Hope it gets another season
> tfw when no results for a 'Maris Crane Rule 34' query
Can someone post the episode guide?
p is way too harsh on season 11 it was the best season since 7
>I Hate Frasier Crane rated as Essential
opinion discarded
Which episode features “I AM WOUNDED”?
My cat just took a giant shit, and now the room smells.
based cat
I just watched the episode where Niles is a pirate, fricking kek
So I laughed the hardest during 'two mrs cranes' or whatever when Roz knocks on the door just wanted yall to know
>I brought everything I need to make my signature pomegranate honey sauce.. I will need a ramekin for each of your guests!
>Oh dear, this is bad... two of them are mismatched! It's alright if they're all mismatched, or in pairs, but two is just unheard of!
Times you realized Frasier was, and always has been, right?
honestly the fact that daphne thought that was ok is embarrassing
Frasier was right. She wasn't hosting a party for nobodies who wouldn't know what a ramekin is or how to spell it. She was hosting it for type of bluebloods he and Niles would typically have over. Mismatched ramekins would indeed have been a colossal faux pas. You may as well serve your guests spam in the can at that point.
>TFW dad is literally Fraiser