How does Frasier go from hanging out in a lower middle class Boston bar, drinking beer and talking sports, to being appalled to eat at a goofy Timber Mill themed restaurant with his dad? I'm watching Cheers for the first time and it's weird how different his character is. He's a bit snobby, but otherwise just a guy. Honestly kinda prefer his character in Cheers, he FEELS like Martin's son. Also, a general thread for both shows. And for the two people on this board who watched Wings.
Being with Niles made him more snobby
Definitely. It's bizarre how Frasier gives Martin shit for hanging out at that Irish cop bar, McGwinty's or some shit I don't know. Either way the place wasn't far off from Cheers.
That's because Frasier hates micks.
>hates micks
>spent 8 years hanging out in Boston bar
>Niles made him more snobby
This. He changes when there are people judging him.
>40" flat screen in the nineties
He probably has a big plasma screen connected to his hi-fi AUX. I like to imagine there's a minidisc player tucked away in the corner.
Thats it. Frasier is Borderline.
His radio show made him into a high class snob.
This and being excepted by the Seattle elite blew his ego up
he had ascended to full upper class status inbetween shows
Does that happen? I make more than my dad did at my age but it means less because of the era. I'm literally making the meme 105k 6 figure salary, and he capped out at around 60k a year doing physical labor, retiring in the mid 2000s. I don't even know what I'm trying to say here but I guess I'm curious how much more I'd have to make before it changed my personality.
its not how much you make its the work environment you spend most of your adult life in. cubicle culture does things to people, just like working construction does
i earn about 10% of what my father earned, and that's not adjusting for currency value.
my life is a waste of time, everything's gone wrong and i made all the wrong choices while still trying to be a decent person.
if i'd just been pushed into doing exactly what my father had been doing, i would have been fine - but i think they wanted me to do something more.
he was at the top of his profession, high salary.
i'm one step away from homeless and have no future.
I wish I had some good advice for you. My job is total bullshit. I work in advertising, a glorified e-mail job. I got lucky. Don't beat yourself up about being dealt shitty cards. Unless you're exceptional, life is RNG right now.
you likely made the right choices and took opportunities when they came along, aspired toward something and took risks, worked hard.
most jobs are bullshit, but it takes something to achieve them in the first place.
i am somewhat exceptional, good brain, body - i had some pretty poor luck and setbacks when i was 15-19 which derailed me, but i could have dealt with it all better - didn't really know what to do.
How old are you?
I’m 45 and have no solid work history or education. I’m starting a business I’ve been working on for a while. I’m a total loser at everything but I’m good at this. My point is it may not be too late to start over.
43, maybe you're right. but i feel most of my motivation is gone - all i do is work part time, sit and sleep.
if i'd followed the career i discovered/started when i was 16, i would have been a millionaire 20 years ago - to put it into perspective, several of my colleagues from the time became world class.
meant to say, there's a possibility though that if i started doing something i believed in, liked and could thrive in, i might find i had motivation again.
situation can affect perspective
I would start with something small. Some small daily commitment that involves self improvement. Even five minutes a day. Just set a goal you know you’ll keep. It’s terrifying and disheartening to try and accomplish at our age. It can be done though. Taoism has helped me a lot. It’s helped me believe in the idea of cultivating energy later in life. A few book suggestions if you’re into this sort of thing:
365 Tao: Daily Meditations https://a.co/d/bHCWJaw
The Tao of Recovery: A Quiet Path to Wellness https://a.co/d/gKjokQE
Everyday Tao: Living with Balance and Harmony https://a.co/d/bm4T0zy
The Zen of Recovery https://a.co/d/2zdFIlJ
105k today is like 75k to your dad's economy
Yeah, as I said on paper it's a nice spot to see your son in, doing better than you. But the cost of living and other variables in this economy basically makes us even in the end.
Did radio hosts really get paid a lot in the 90s early 2000s?
Yes. Now, I don't know how someone doing local radio was making howard stern money but they used to make a lot.
Frasier canonically got in on the ground floor with microsoft and had put a lot of money in in the first round
Sponsorships and side gigs. Go speak at events. Several hundred to several thousand a night type events.
you know how there's a sea of hack podcasters making a good living off of expressVPN and helix sleep ads? radio basically used to be the same thing.
Clinton completely deregulate the entire market. By 97 Clear Channel was already buying up everything, firing all the local employees, syndicating shows, on running the same playlist on every station they owned. It is even worse today, like 95% of all radio stations are owned by 2-3 corporations, which is why music is so fricking shit. The entire Seattle music revolution of The Melvins, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, etc. could never happen today, because there are no local program managers to play someone's record. It doesn't matter if you live in Alabama, chances are most of your FM stations are running the same program chosen by some guy in NYC.
TL;DR- Back then Frasier would have been syndicated on multiple stations around the country, that's why he had so much money. Like Loveline with Dr. Drew and Adam, or Delilah.
>The entire Seattle music revolution of The Melvins, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, etc. could never happen today
lol he thinks that wasnt entirely manufactured. cute!
>the two people on this board who watched Wings
That was my first wife's favorite show I'm so fricking sad right now.
But it wasn't. DCG got lucky with Nevermind and every label fricking went and signed every "alternative" band they could. Fricking Steel Pole Bath Tub had a release on a major. Helmet had two. Melvins by way of comparison probably never charted outside the B200. It was a free-for-all and the major weapon was volume. I have no idea how anyone could look at the realities of the music industry in September of 1991 and think that that transition was some sort of contrivance. Interest in glam metal had been waning as evidenced by falling sales in the genre months and years before Nirvana whereas interest in "alternative" music had been building for years as evidenced by increasing sales for bands like Jane's Addiction and RHCP, neither of whom were "grunge" or from Seattle.
I'm gonna guess you were born after 1980 and just don't understand anything, so everything is a "PsYoP" or some other /misc/ word, which saves you the trouble of having to learn how to think.
Good post. He missed my entire point. The deregulation basically destroyed local music scenes and cultures, especially in regards to their road to greater fame. Even here in Louisville, we had a Haardcore or Post-Hardcore or whatever you want to call it scene in the late 90's/early 00's, with bands like Incursion 502, who later renamed Incursion eventually getting national success after local program managers were able to spin their records. Even non-Hardcore bands like My Morning Jacket were born the same way here, with local PM spinning their ecords and giving them wider recognition, until they got so big there was a fricking American Dad episode about them. They came from a later scene of psychedelic jam bands, in the same vain as The Grateful Dead or Phish, which pushed on into the early 2010's until all the stations here except the public radio stations were completely bought out and captured.
If you want examples of manufactured bands and sounds, look at Nickelback, Creed, and all of the bands that sounded exactly like that, especially production wise, like that horrible band that sang "You're a crazy b***h, but you frick so good you're on top of it," or whatever. Basically one PM from some big city with connections to certain labels and producers pushed all of this shit because he made a profit from it, as they all do, in what is now basically a legal form of payola that has completely taken over the music industry.
>Helmet had two.
deservedly. in the meantime fricking rocks
>I'm gonna guess you were born after 1980
bro if youre above the age of 40 what the frick are you doing here LMAO
>he doesn't know
>he thinks we're joking when we say you're here forever
Don't worry kid you'll get there before you know it.
moron alert.
Agha
I keep fricking telling people that Clearchannel/iheart/whateverthefrickitisnow is responsible for killing radio as well as rock as a genre. Glad someone else is on the same page.
isnt ClearChannel now IHeartRadio?
>Delilah
She is like Hallmark Channel for radio. Pretty comfy, tbh.
I always assumed Frasier’s show was syndicated in other markets, not just a local Seattle thing.
at first, it's not. there's an episode where he goes to Spokane because it's the first city his show gets syndicated to
Yeah. Other anons explained the why and how but go listen to some early 2000s O&A, they talk about the absolute state of radio and where they see it going all the time. The XM satellite stuff was supposed to be this golden parachute once the ass fell out of corporate radio.
Yes, prior to social media destroying the industry local radio show hosts made very nice money.
At the upper end there was a long running (end of the 80's to mid 2000's when one of them went to Sirius) sports talk show in NYC called Mike & the Mad Dog where each host was making 1.5 million per year in the late 90's- early 2000's.
Seattle's not NYC and a radio psych. isn't making sports talk money but I would guess a real life version of Frasier was probably making $200-300k per year in the 90's.
IIRC in the very last episode when he gets the job offer in San Francisco, he was offered $500k
frasier had a harvard degree they had to make an excellent offer to get him on the air
it's not so much about how much you make but in what social circles you want to spend your time in
I would assume Frasier show was nationally syndicated and he is somewhat of a minor celebrity although, my understanding is (non-American) that the money in radio of that era was really only in sport and political commentators.
I know popular radio hosts in large cities that were not syndicated made 250,000 to 300,000 in the mid 90s. Radio was big business especially popular FM talk shows and even music heavy shows with popular hosts
Radio was king back in the day. It’s probably the only reason podcasts are still popular to this day. That said once Millenials age out I doubt Zoomers will care about radio or podcasts at all.
His libido fell off. He stopped hanging out with chads like Sam, Woody, and Norm
>and Norm
Why does this specific type of fat guy not exist anymore?
I don't know, I work with a few.
But someone can't ascend in to "Normdom" until they hit 45 and also give up the will to live
Norm's actor was 34 in the first season, and only hit 45 when the final season was airing.
It was a different time...
People were allowed to grow up faster then. You would have a full time job that paid your mortgage at 21. Then you'd marry by 24, have 2 kids by 28, pay off your student loans by 32 and slump into Normdom by 35.
He got arrested n California after he killed his brother and blamed it on the mafia.
You uh, forgot Cliff there, buddy
Who?
The Cheers theme is about Norm. He's the protagonist of the show.
Cheers fricking sucked
It peaks sort of late. Like the last two seasons are basically proto Frasier.
Cheers is a zoomed filter, socialization is alien for you.
Ted Danson is a funny dude, I like him a lot more than I expected
i havent seen those seasons, I watched the first 5 I think and I prefer the first 2 because of Coach
It was always ok background noise type of a sitcom. I don’t think most people “tuned” in to see it on first airings exactly but it was rerun late at night because it literally felt like a friend simulator as you would now with things like RLM or Joe Rogan interview shows today.
>I don’t think most people “tuned” in to see it on first airings exactly
It was the number one show and the cornerstone of NBC's Thursday night "Must See TV" for it's entire run, moron.
shut the hell up incel
Frick off embarrassed called out zoomshitter
It’s impossible to reconcile cheers with Frasier. You’d think over the 11 years in Boston he would have mentioned his brother or father one single time?
there is a chapter where they mention he mentioned Martin was a researcher and was dead because he was angry with him, not sure about why he never mentioned Niles
>Martin is a researcher and dead
Kek this makes it even worse
Niles was written in for Frasier, the character didn't exist during Cheers.
>watch Frasier
>Frasier's mom is constantly remembered as a saint
>watch Cheers
>Frasier's mom is a fricking psycho who repeatedly threatens to kill Diane
Frasier carries a fricking revolver in Cheers and threatens to shoot Sam. Cheers is actually such a weird show in tone because it's generally more low-key than Frasier but gets serious sometimes.
>Now you're gonna make me that tossed salad and scrambled eggs, punk.
what an awful food combination. scrambled eggs? I'm thinking toast and those little sausage links. Salad? Probably chicken or steak. Who the hell has scrambled eggs and thinks "you know what would be good with this? A salad!" (or vice versa) Freaks. And don't get me started on how most people these days can't do a good scrambled egg (common problems: too runny/milky, not scrambled enough) over medium is the only kind of egg I'll order if eating out.
Also, did you guys know both Niles and the dad's actors are/were gay irl?
Bulldog was gay, made an entire one man stage play about bouncing on dick.
as much as F.R.I.E.N.D.S is a "show for women", Frasier is a show for gay men
Or 90s gay adjacent men aka future 140 IQ nazis
I got you pegged.
Sam wasn't smart enough to realize it wasn't loaded, it's literally the same as when Niles was swinging around a starter's pistol.
Sam literally points out that it isn't loaded.
>You dared to convince me I was drinking a Château Cheval Blanc when it was actually a Lambrusco? Your first and last mistake Niles...
drinking cheap lambrusco wine in the hills of catagenia
>love that memory
>now you're thinking, did he answer 5 calls or 6
>you gotta ask yourself one question, was I listening - well, was i? PUNK
>because that's what no one else did.
>that episode where Diane's psycho boyfriend nearly strangled her to death in a recreation of Othello and Desdemona
wait tony soprano and frasier are brothers?
Holy shit.
LOOK AT HER NILES SHES SMILINGN
>Frasier's mom is constantly remembered as a saint
That's how the boys and Martin try and hang onto her memory, but it's blatantly obvious that she was awful and largely responsible for her sons' maladjustments. Remember the lab rat episode? Remember the one where it was revealed that she was cheating on Martin and he covered it up? Or the one where Frasier realises that he must stop listening to his mother's judgemental memory in order to move on and be happy? Frasier (the show) is quietly scathing about Mrs Crane.
Always felt this way too. They all seem extremely codependent about her.
Spin-off sitcoms from that era rarely made sense. Mork & Mindy was a spin-off of Happy Days for example.
Mork and Mindy was from the 70’s zoom
Frasier made a lot of jokes in cheers about sam and the gang not being his only or even his real friends and how he and lillith were just slumming it.
I used to love Wings as a kid. Super comfy for some reason.
Frasier as a show, but it falls apart for me after a few seasons. The wit and writing are still there, but I can't care about the show as much when everyone becomes a self parody. The show kind of becomes like Seinfeld to me at that point. You're watching the formula more than the show.
I like both Frasiers really. Once of the nicer things about Cheers is that Frasier had a lot to 'do' in a scene--he had a lot of characters to bounce off of. When he got his own show, the comedy between he and his brother was the main focus, so while he got good jokes in on the phone during his radio call in show, there werent enough other areas shown of frasier's life where he was trying to grow.
Frasier having a recurring bit where he tries his hand at theater work would have been priceless and given him another group of clowns to be around beyond his family, daphne's family, and his work family.
Frasier needed a thespain arc, a swordfighting arc, and eventually a regular sports arc
Frasier declines enormously when they finally put Niles with daphne. Daphne just becomes a c**t and Niles an unfunny henpecked husband
In fairness Niles spends the first four and a half seasons as a henpecked husband, he's just hilariously funny while doing so.
Yeah that’s true. Something just goes out of the character when they put him with daphne, he becomes so soulless and lame compared with before. Maybe it’s because David Hyde Pierce is a colossal homosexual and so him interacting with an off-screen character (maris) is much more convincing than having to actually play a straight man in the room with his wife
Yup. It turns into a show from the 70s. Lots of clearly telegraphed comedy bits and some heartfelt moments, moments which are great for the characters, but have nothing to do with what made me watch Frasier in the first place.
And then when the show would go into deeper character territory, it would shy away from it. Frasier sleeping with Roz was played as a moment of weakness thing rather than explored. It could have been turned into a cool 'this is how they both got their groove back' sort of thing where Roz dials in on the guys that are worth her time and Frasier realizes he wants a bit more of a wildcat to balance him out.
Roz and Frasier should have wound up together and I cannot be convinced otherwise
Ideally it should've been Roz and Bulldog since it'd be a good poetic ending that the two horniest frickers would be satisfied with each other, and then Frasier would've ended up with Jennifer Tilly.
Bulldog was such a great character, he could have had his own show. Tbh a spin-off that focussed on the characters at the radio station like Bulldog and Gill would be kino
i should have ended up with jennifer tilly/connelly/aniston.
and they should all have been 18 minus 24 hours
I could see either way. Either Roz and Frasier hooking up regularly and she becomes his therapist of sorts post coitus, they go off on some vacation or work thing and fall for each other. Or they hook up regularly, then stop and see other people, Frasier ending with Tilly after learning to appreciate what she offers. I dont see Roz with bulldog though. I'd have rather Roz's actuallay had the manage au trois with Daphne and Niles.
I feel like Bulldog could've grown as a character if they had spent more time with him. He was capable of taking care of her daughter and seemed to genuinely be in love with her. My headcanon is that they get together after the finale. Tilly was so fricking hot tho.
I must have checked out at later episodes, I dont remember much of Bulldog beyond the first few seasons. He's in some great bits.
There's just that episode where he's revealed to be great with kids, and in that same episode he confesses that he loves Roz but she turns him down. Then there's this long stretch later on where Bulldog gets fired and just leaves for, like, a season or so. I assume Dan Butler went to do something else at the time or something before coming back where it's revealed that Kenny hired him to sort files down in the basement. He's basically the same character at that point but it's more to do with how the writers weren't focusing on him anymore.
>in that same episode he confesses that he loves Roz but she turns him down.
one of the best moments in the series. the acting from both is excellent.
Frasier interacts with the actress who plays roz in cheers. She obviously plays a different character but it’s weird. John mahoney is in an ep of cheers but not sure if he interacts with frasier
Sam dates captain janeway for like half a season and it's weird seeing her be overtly feminine and sexy. Grew up never really sexualizing her, it hurt my brain and my penis.
Would you say that Kate Mul-grew on you?
I came here just to boo you.
No. Lilith won the Frasier bowl.
>It could have been turned into a cool 'this is how they both got their groove back' sort of thing where Roz dials in on the guys that are worth her time and Frasier realizes he wants a bit more of a wildcat to balance him out
I just realized that this is basically what happened to me right before I met/started dating my wife. Based Frasier
>
daphne sucks the life out of everything and niles is spineless and grating.
the father was boring too and could have been reduced to 10% of his scenes.
don't know who they could have included, maybe frasier could have had some normal friends. did he ever have any friends in frasier? seems he could hang out with people all the time in cheers
what even is wings like who are these people lol
Wings is a cool show. It's a successful 'how few cool types of people can we gather to make an interesting television show' experiment.
I think pierce just becomes too doting in his character work, and it becomes glaring because Niles was really the backbone of the show comedically. That comedy backbone now becomes Niles and Daphne as a unit which doesn't have nearly the same energy.
Niles also starts looking old. He looks old in a way Martin doesnt. Martin has always been old. He has a cane. Niles shows up one season and looks like hes wearing a comb over.
The niles and daphne arc would have been the perfect time to give frasier another area of his life to focus on. Get frasier to be more of an odd duck so the laughs come from him. Later seasons have frasier doing a lot of theatrical comedy in his house and it works when it works until it doesnt. When they focus on the family, a lot of his histrionics almost feel codependent and it takes me out of it.
Although, "Is it too much to ask that there not be GUNPLAY IN THE LIVING ROOM" is one of the funniest reads of any line ever.
Wings is kino
Fighting syrup gatherers all the way!
hehe
WOULD BUST LOAD AFTER LOAD INSIDE THIS LASS'S TIGHT MOUTH AND ASS. A ABSOLUTE DREAM TO EMPTY BALLS AND PLUNGE wiener INTO WHAT WAS ALMOST ASSUREDLY A TENOUTTATEN PUSSY WITH GRIPPY SUGAR WALLS
40yo boomer here. Wings was often derisively called 'Cheers in an airport' by critics and exists in the same universe as Cheers/Frasier. USA used to show reruns of it every day back in the mid to late 90s.
Wings was comfy
Frasier worked off well against Woody and Sam as counterpoints. Norm and Cliff not so much and most of their jokes were cringe even back then.
why does frasier look like Fisher Stevens here
They thought it was funnier that way, and it was made by comedy writers instead of canon-brained weirdos
Is cheers really a lower middle class bar though? It's pretty big and has that fancy restaurant upstairs. I'd say it's at least middle class. Now Gary's is a lower middle class bar
Posting dank Frasier images in appreciation of this thread
Dick cheney?
Based fellow Frasier for SNES chad
This was a fun one from 2020
Also, apartment 2 is the obvious choice
Bebe was seriously underrated
is that the first part of system shock?
(QUITE STYLISH)
>They made John Mahoney crawl around on the floor
This took two years off his life, at least
Frick..
fantastic interior design
It’s called “eclectic”.
is it weird that I recognize the chair in the back?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eames_Lounge_Chair
No, it's one of the most iconic furniture designs ever.
Very cool, almost the perfect photograph of the set as well, only problem is the wineglass on martins table, needs to be a valentines beer
ai generated?
bebe is the funniest fricking character to me
Easy apartment 3
Sherry would be unbearable, and the same for Bebe and Lilith. Gil and Mel might be a little highly-strung, but they're not too bad.
Apt 2 no question, get to hobnob with Niles, play with Eddie, smoke with and probably frick bebe and roz will be so horny she'd frick me as well and Niles is such a b***h for his wife/daphne I'd have no competition.
Apartment 4 is Hellfrasier mode
easily apartment 3. Bebe ruins apartment 2, Ronee ruins apartment 4 and Apartment 1 would be the worst.
4 because Kenny is a bro and I wanna frick the other three.
4 if I get to frick Daphne
Otherwise, 2, the banter between Niles and Roz was legendary
2
>Conversation with Niles
>Observer the banter between Niles and Roz
>Get to play with Eddie
>Bebe is probably going to be annoying but, I imagine I could actually get along with her fairly well - and if it comes down to it I can just retreat to my room whenever she is out of hers.
>The option to frick Roz probably comes up if we are quarantined based on how much of a bawd she is and Niles seems very unlikely to be either her choice or that he would be willing to go through with it.
>not bumming a cigarette from bebe after sticking it in her bum
Bebe is a sex kitten with no strings attached and obviously wild as frick in the sack.
Dream bigger based #2 big brain.
2 is the clear choice.
easily apartment 2, I'd just have sex with Bebe like greco roman wrestling on a trampoline
Of all the Frasier video game parody images, "Niles' Big Day" seems the most appealing. I don't know why
I wonder if we'll ever get AI dank enough to make these a reality.
https://edward-la-barbera.itch.io/frasier-fantasy
What a time to be alive
Frasier for the SNES was sick
such amazing casting wasted on such a shitty movie
Well, if I had my expensive tie destroyed as soon as I walk in the door, I'd have a pretty low opinion of the place for the rest of the night.
>And for the two people on this board who watched Wings.
Is Wings a Cheers spinoff too or something? I watched it sometimes when waiting for Newsradio. Didn't care much for it.
It was by the same people and had three or four crossovers, one with Lilith and Frasier.
>Wings
I LOVE WINGS! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jqv7TlTtno
God I cum buckets to Roz
Holy shit do you guys remember that there was a Frasier remake? What happened with that?
first season ended; wasn't a hit but it will get a new season
Apparently it ended being received pretty well despite a lot of critics initially wanting to trash it because Grammer is a Republican.
However he's an incredibly good comedic TV actor and so was able to carry the show into being decent despite having a kind of weak cast around him.
However in the end the
Oh shit, they got him.
He heard he blues a callin
>Top Ten Cliffhangers of All Time
Killary got him
Roz's voice is so fricking hot
How was the revival?
Not great, but not terrible
he doesn't talk about sports that often though
>and for the two people on this board who watched Wings.
hey that's me
and i like it over Cheers/Fraiser
remember when Frasier and Lillith came to Nantucket?
It would have been great getting a West Wings cameo. Imagine president bartlett and his staff all cramped on that plane.
Speaking of cameos though, I would have loved to have seen Frasier cameo on other shows. He's a strong enough character to do it.
Grammer was Bob on the simpsons, but I mean an episode of Law and Order where Frasier is an expert psychology witness for a string of episodes. Sort of the same way Munch appeared in several shows in character--even shows that werent by the same show runner.
Munch is in the Xfiles. I want Frasier in the xfiles.
It would have been a fun way to keeping up with the character without forcing an entirely new show and cast.
Imagine Frasier showing up on Sports Night and Bulldog calling in.
I'm not interested in most of that but the fact that we could have had Mulder & Martin work together & the former just weirds out the latter most of the time while Scully has to babysit Frasier & Niles would have been fun.
Ah. Yes. Back when Mr Monk first emigrated from Europe.
I watched wing back in the day
And thus, i don't remenber anything
Why exactly do people find Frasier so comfy? It being the 90s? Anons being able to both see themselves as flawed as Frasier and yet also being envious of how ideal his life is?
I never watched it as a child growing up in the 90s but watched it via syndication on Hallmark Channel & Lifetime alongside Cheers reruns and just enjoyed the throwback style of comedy & how we used to space things like a stage play.
I compare it a lot like watching something like a grounded DS9 political episode compared to the drizzling shits that is the non stop action & CGI Star Trek Discovery. It's simple and you know what you're going to get.
It felt like a smart show. Keep in mind that the other popular shows at the time were like, Seinfeld, ER, the nanny, bunch of lame romcoms etc
having Martin shit on stuffy Frasier and Niles is the balancing act that makes it 'comfy'
The sets are nice and comfy. The banter and dialogue is what works on the show
The individual episode plots are usually kind of dumb
The first few seasons of Wings are so great, then they add Antonio. Jesus fricking breasts, do I hate Antonio. Right as the ensemble is getting comfortable, they let Tony Shalhoub do 1970s Italian face for some stupid reason.
Pic unrelated but those that know, know.
>Pic unrelated but those that know, know.
he makes those episodes literally unwatchable. i skip through all his scenes. the whole moon family is awful with the exception of brian cox, who gets only 2 appearances.
I dunno. My family and I liked him because he was Italian. My dad was born in Greece and disnt mind how cartoon it was. Plus he is Lebanese and a fellow Med.
post cursed Frasier images
Based and denim-pilled
In the mid-90s my grandparents had our extended family take a family portrait wearing all denim. I'm sure everyone thought at the time that it would be a timeless look.
>peri gilpin barefoot
Roz is dead, man, miss her miss her
Absolutely would/10
She looks good for her age in the reboot and kinda mogs Daphne by the end of it. Also it's weird reading about Peri, her biological father was some local news guy who died parachuting?
The denim has aged yeah but the photo almost makes Roz and Niles look like a couple which is even more cursed.
It's like when people win the lottery and start going to 3 Michelin star restaurants and 5 star hotels. When you have the means to better yourself you can get swept up in it and become pompous.
Over the course of the show, it becomes very israeli. (Frasier's ex wife, and thus, son, are israelites. israelite star trek nerd at the station) Did it start off that way or did ~~*they*~~ just decide that they wanted to latch on to a show with good optics?
I see where you want to take this but frick off. Without Judaism, Frasier wouldn't have embarrassed himself by speaking Klingon. You would deprave us of that.
>Frasier speaks klingon
>a language used by fictional spaceBlack folk, and he speaks it in a den of thieves
Always israeli but it began with the kind of smart israelite humour they normally reserve for popping each other with. Once they saw the ratings they were forced to dumb it down and israelite it out further like ~~*Seinfeld*~~ or ~~*Friends*~~. There will never be another show with the level of humour contained within Frasier, especially the great seasons.
Never watched Cheers (it's doubtless subversive as frick, like everything), but God damn. Might have to watch that episode.
>(it's doubtless subversive as frick, like everything)
meds status: not taken
>noticing: not done
Is it weird that I want to FRICK Daphne, Niles and Roz?
for me the biggest flaw between both shows is Frazier being such a deadbeat dad, i watched the ep the other day where he bangs Lilith and then hes all
>WHAT A MISTAKE IVE MADE WE HAVE MOVED ON WE HAVE SEPARATE LIVES AND CAREERS AND FRIENDS
and he doesnt mention their son at all, if there was any reason to possibly rekindle their relationship it should be because the notion of being his dad in his day to day life would be the best thing for his son, I know we're watching a show and they just didn't want Freddy to ruin Frazier but it comes off as a glaring flaw when he gets all real and emotional as if he handled things the right way
Yeah it was kind of weird that he only saw his son like, 2 or 3 days a year or something. And that he moved clear across the country from his kid. Wtf
My main criticism of Fraiser as a character as well. Egregious that he's a psychiatrist and doesn't see what a terrible parent he is by being such a narcissist about himself and his career. But makes perfect sense if you actually have met (women in particular) who are really into psychology.
That's why we can laugh at all his misfortune, he's got such a great life and a son he neglects and he's still searching for something he's already looked past.
I kinda think this is the most realistic part of Frasier's character archetype. He wants for nothing, and neither do his ex or their son. So he can afford to live a life where he doesnt have to be a 'dad' in the typical sense because. It's an aspect of the type of character he is playing that doesn't get addressed directly on television much. These characters have lives with strong directions. They have goals and meet them. And his son will be the same way, and is being groomed that way off screen, surely.
So not only is it convenient from a writing perspective not to have to bring up Freddy all the time, it's also true of the character archetype. The average person wants attention enough for their dad to teach them how to play basketball; Lilith can have ex players coach her son directly if he so wanted.
You sort of stop being a deadbeat dad when everyone has money.
Having Freddy around every now and then could have worked, but it's easy for me to say after having seen something as successful as Two and a Half Men deal with kids. I'd have loved to have seen Freddy around--maybe he stays with Frasier for a semester and now you have Grammar dealing with other parents at his school or something. It opens up possibilities to see frasier be frasier.
But sort of like my hopes with Frasier and Roz becoming a thing for a few seasons and having a torrid romance where she becomes his therapist and maybe she goes onto something else, it feels well beyond the scope of the laurel and hardy esq show they put together.
Grammar refused to do the spin-off if he was a single dad. Hence Lilith getting custody of Freddy.
Ironically, the writers knew that viewers would complain about Fraiser being a deadbeat dad so they would, every couple of episodes refer to Fraiser visiting his kid off-camera between episodes in untold stories. Along with finding ways to work Freddy into later Lilith guest episodes.
>lower middle class Boston bar
what show did you watch?
It's an Irish bar, so, checks out
I watched wings as a tween. I have no idea why. Tim Daly was my homosexual awakening. On second thought, maybe that’s why.
homosexual
>Frasier/Cheers
>Frasier before Cheers
This triggers my autism very much, anon.
It's how a lot of people in here experienced the show including me (34) was just to young for cheers but perfect age for Fraiser, then went back and rewatched cheers after I got older.
It's probably weird for most people but there's that small group that was almost forced into it due to no streaming and age. Sorry anon you'll get over it.
I have no idea why you would be triggered. Frasier was the most highly produced production ever developed for televised consumption. It marked the end of the cathode ray tube, while being erudite and pleasant.
>I have no idea why
You'll get it eventually.
I watched the first couple seasons of frasier and almost never laughed, but I did find it kind of comfy/entertaining. Kind of like watching dylan moran. I still call my decoration style eclectic after hearing him say it (my apartment looks like shit but it's eccentric shit)
Simple answer. He discovered Reddlt and became an insufferable twat.
Lilith fricked him up
Wing is part of the Cheer's cinematic universe? why?
Norm, Cliff and Frasier show up in it. It really does feel like something different entirely. Neither Cheers or Frasier felt like Taxi babies, but Wings is.
>Taxi
Hey. This is Tony Danza, and you're reading this in my voice.
based danzachad
>Wings
I loved this show but it went downhill a little after Thomas Haden Church left
>Thomas Haden Church
dude is such a good actor
>a little
Well, they made Antonio a more prominent character after and that helped some since Tony Shalhoub is always funny
He made snobby friends in Seattle
What was the name of that one character. Blond woman I think with big breasts that Frasier wanted to bang so frickin hard but she was like a moronic pop psychologist and he just couldn't do it?
Honey Snow. And he wanted to and tried.
>that episode where Jonathan Crane is finally released from Arkham
take back the night is my favorite Cinemaphile meme
sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit is dat a muhfuggin draco?
Rebecca is best girl and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
Tbf Shelly Long never did it for me but Rebecca was sex.
shit. just remembered she passed away. was gonna say it would be cool if she showed up on the new show.
though I gave up not long into it.
Lol what the frick? Fraiser is a Cheers Spin-off, are you fricking with me right now?
Why are you even on this board?
because I'm not 45+, what's your excuse?
I don't get autistic about fricking sitcom lore kek though it was weird watching that Cheers episode that has Frasier begging Sam to give him his dog back because he loves it so much. Meanwhile on Frasier he is always on the verge of throwing Eddie in a dumpster behind a Chinese restaurant.
>And for the two people on this board who watched Wings.
>forgetting the fourth member of the CheersVerse
I watched this expecting it to be this monstrosity of a show that is an affront to Italians, but it's literally just ok? If it lasted longer, it probably would've been a good show.
The new Frasier series looked like trash. His son is dating some dyke looking mulatto who looks ten years older than him too. Wtf were they thinking?
They're both awful actors.
money from the brand + humiliation ritual
something about trust fund
big guy?
He was always a snob it’s just the Cheers gang kept him in check and Lydia was such a c**t he looked better in comparison. But in Frasier yeah hanging out with his homosexual brother made him more insufferable no kidding.
I remember they tried to promote the frick out of Wings in commercials but I don’t think I know of anyone who watched it? It did look pretty comfy from the clips I saw but to me a sitcom about a plane hangar seemed pretty mundane.
Frasier is a creature of his environment. When around blue collar guys, he tries his best to mingle with them and wants to be involved in their shenanigans.
When in Seattle upper class society, he wants nothing to do with blue collar people.
Why are the new seasons of Frasier a completely separate show? Why use the same exact name if it's a new show? Why isn't it "Frasier Season 12," etc.? Is it a rights or production crew issue?
Does he even make any references to old Frasier or Cheers? Or is all just never mentioned?
They barely mentioned John Mahoney dying in the first episode and that was it. It's utter goyslop.
lillith?
Which of the Frasier main cast would you like to spend an evening with (You're not allowed to have sex with your choice)?
Lilith
We would arrange to have sexual intercourse at a later date after I explain the lilitations of our rendezvous.
Wings was comfy af summer viewing on USA as a kid. It sucked ass when Wimbledon would come on for the week or two.
martin is a real jerk in the first season
The characterisation on the whole is a bit rough around the edges in the first season, Daphne's psychic looniness is a bit much. Tbf I think DHP nailed Niles from the start though.
Martin is the only character I can think of that is at their worst in the first and last seasons of a show.
Annoying question: how should the writers of Cheers gotten rid of Lilith without resorting to her becoming an adulteress without any sort of build-up once it became apparent that the actress playing her would not commit to doing a spin-off with Grammar?
They really threw Lilith's character under the bus making her cheat on Fraiser and having her and Fraiser hate each other in the spin-off. I'm not saying they should have killed her but surely they could have come up with a better way to break them up....
>how should the writers of Cheers gotten rid of Lilith without resorting to her becoming an adulteress without any sort of build-up once it became apparent that the actress playing her would not commit to doing a spin-off with Grammar?
baby freddy dies, grief drives them apart.
They could have just killed her off, although then the question becomes what you do about Freddy. I suppose you could kill both of them off but, that seems very dark. The other optional is you just recast her.