Freddy has the potential of being the most terrifying slasher killer ever but they squandered him due to lack of creativity and technical limitations of the time.
Freddy vs. Jason has, at times, been described as a cynical film, and that's not entirely wrong. What's notable as we look back on the passage of the last 20 years and FvJ's significance in the relevant trajectories is that it stands wholly apart, so far as to be almost unrecognizable, if you endeavor to compare the type of cynicism it exemplifies to the kind that typifies even the rare "good" movie that is released these days. FvJ could perhaps be derided for its "give the people what they want" approach to creating popular entertainment, but it also marks a clear pinnacle of the artistic attempt to reach and resonate with what amounts to a mainstream audience, though your diehard genre fan will perhaps object to that categorization. In FvJ we see typified the difference between designing a product for your audience and trying to design an audience for your product, and through this dynamic we can begin to better understand why some unshakeable element of dissatisfaction seems to pervade today's American person.
Less than three years after the release of Fellowship of the Ring and just months before the release of RotK, Freddy vs. Jason is notable in company with this family of films for being one of the last mainstream American films released that can be said to have a true "sense of place." Interestingly enough, and very much to the film's credit, it manages to achieve this while bringing together two distinct horror (a genre in which atmosphere accounts for so much) franchises and their associated settings. Fair enough, the Springwood and Camp Crystal Lakes of FvJ can be said to have a distinct feel from those previously seen in the now combined universe, but they succeed in being rooted in the world of the film and recognizable to the audience as returns to these settings. Contrast this with what can be described as the more modern approach which sees the audience's own world imported into what is only superficially a fictional setting: the conversations that characters have are no longer conversations with each other but broad recreations of conversations the viewer is meant to recognize as relatable, either because they have had those same overly broad generalized conversations or because this dialog provides surface commentary on relationship dynamics, of course, hidden just enough to provide a sense of reward for anyone watching once there upon picked up. While the sense of place in the LotR series can be applauded in that it, in some ways, aspires to and succeeds with a more elevated form of adaptation and realization, Freddy vs. Jason is noteworthy in that it is one of the last great successes in this vector and manages to achieve what it does while being firmly rooted in the utter fun and ample helpings of sleaze one should rightly expect from its title.
I don't know if it's the aesthetic specifically, it's just that the movies are all really fricking dull. There's just nothing else going on in them beyond the gore. The prosthetics are cool and all that but the movies themselves are just boring as frick.
this, it took me years to be able to get around to watching hellraiser as a kid, i'd look at the box art in the VHS store and screenshots from magazines, i built up a crazy good image of what the films would be like, and holy shit were they all a disappointment.
It's all about good action, some spookiness, hot girls. FvJ can also be said to typify a certain element of peak cultural Americanism and nostalgia activates women.
It's from A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master. Girl dreams about relaxing at the beach and then Freddy comes in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYJCd7UGhFI
>Could Freddy work without Robert Englund playing him though?
I keep saying they need to introduce a new actor playing Freddy in a tv series rather than a movie to give people more time to adjust to the change. That and actually have a good script and cast of characters.
it would be tough to replace Englund but i think it can be done, directors have to embrace how his character is played in the originals as a smart ass tormentor.
Englund basically "is" Freddy.
Its damn near impossible to replace him. I honestly didn't think Haley was even bad (the movie was) he just wasn't Englund.
fREDDY NIGHTMARE STREET
can you even consider him horror beyond the first film
Dream Warriors, New Nightmare (even if it's not the "real" Freddy)
He's at his creepiest in the second movie
And gayest
He's not even scary until the second movie
Freddy has the potential of being the most terrifying slasher killer ever but they squandered him due to lack of creativity and technical limitations of the time.
He works better in the first two movies because he's mostly in the shadows.
He didn't really start all the joking abd goofiness until around the 3rd-4th movie.
By that time he was basically a stand up comedy.
Wrong freddy
I too enjoy the works of West Kraven
B-B-B-B-BASED
Thanks, that pic is 100% my own creation btw
Basado
Literally the only good part of that dogshit movie
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>MUH POWER
Freddy vs. Jason has, at times, been described as a cynical film, and that's not entirely wrong. What's notable as we look back on the passage of the last 20 years and FvJ's significance in the relevant trajectories is that it stands wholly apart, so far as to be almost unrecognizable, if you endeavor to compare the type of cynicism it exemplifies to the kind that typifies even the rare "good" movie that is released these days. FvJ could perhaps be derided for its "give the people what they want" approach to creating popular entertainment, but it also marks a clear pinnacle of the artistic attempt to reach and resonate with what amounts to a mainstream audience, though your diehard genre fan will perhaps object to that categorization. In FvJ we see typified the difference between designing a product for your audience and trying to design an audience for your product, and through this dynamic we can begin to better understand why some unshakeable element of dissatisfaction seems to pervade today's American person.
It was pure kino, end of story
Less than three years after the release of Fellowship of the Ring and just months before the release of RotK, Freddy vs. Jason is notable in company with this family of films for being one of the last mainstream American films released that can be said to have a true "sense of place." Interestingly enough, and very much to the film's credit, it manages to achieve this while bringing together two distinct horror (a genre in which atmosphere accounts for so much) franchises and their associated settings. Fair enough, the Springwood and Camp Crystal Lakes of FvJ can be said to have a distinct feel from those previously seen in the now combined universe, but they succeed in being rooted in the world of the film and recognizable to the audience as returns to these settings. Contrast this with what can be described as the more modern approach which sees the audience's own world imported into what is only superficially a fictional setting: the conversations that characters have are no longer conversations with each other but broad recreations of conversations the viewer is meant to recognize as relatable, either because they have had those same overly broad generalized conversations or because this dialog provides surface commentary on relationship dynamics, of course, hidden just enough to provide a sense of reward for anyone watching once there upon picked up. While the sense of place in the LotR series can be applauded in that it, in some ways, aspires to and succeeds with a more elevated form of adaptation and realization, Freddy vs. Jason is noteworthy in that it is one of the last great successes in this vector and manages to achieve what it does while being firmly rooted in the utter fun and ample helpings of sleaze one should rightly expect from its title.
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>be a voodoo master protected by almjghty damballa
what now
Encase him in concrete, lock him in a safe, toss safe into the middle of the ocean.
Chucky coming y’all
i'm bothered by the double shadow in this otherwise kino shot
I never noticed it before. I wonder how that even happened, lighting or something?
just punt the little shit
There is... another...
He's only iconic for his look. Nobody really gives a shit about Pinhead.
The Hellraiser movies have honestly always been shit. They're a cool idea that just never worked very well as horror movies.
Clive Barker's aesthetic is shit.
I don't know if it's the aesthetic specifically, it's just that the movies are all really fricking dull. There's just nothing else going on in them beyond the gore. The prosthetics are cool and all that but the movies themselves are just boring as frick.
this, it took me years to be able to get around to watching hellraiser as a kid, i'd look at the box art in the VHS store and screenshots from magazines, i built up a crazy good image of what the films would be like, and holy shit were they all a disappointment.
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Cringemare sucks because Freddy keeps gaining more plot powers every movie.
shut the frick up myers homosexual
If they rebooted the series that busta's name would be Friendly no cap
Nightmare On Elm Street 2 is the absolute worst film of the series. The director even retired after he made it because it was so shit.
5 is the worst in the series by a big margin
Freddy vs. Jason seems like it would be a cool movie to get some pussy to.
Why?
It's all about good action, some spookiness, hot girls. FvJ can also be said to typify a certain element of peak cultural Americanism and nostalgia activates women.
man we loved that shit in the late 80s early 90s
Feel sorry for people who have to judge movies based on 2022 think and missed out on the simple fun times when shit like Freddy was based as frick
Frick that toasted homosexual. Jason's where it's at.
What is this gif from? I've only seen the first one and it's weird seeing him in a non horror setting. Is it from one of the later movies?
It's from A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master. Girl dreams about relaxing at the beach and then Freddy comes in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYJCd7UGhFI
Could Freddy work without Robert Englund playing him though? The one time they tried it ended up pretty bad.
>Could Freddy work without Robert Englund playing him though?
I keep saying they need to introduce a new actor playing Freddy in a tv series rather than a movie to give people more time to adjust to the change. That and actually have a good script and cast of characters.
The "realistic" burn makeup was a huge mistake.
it would be tough to replace Englund but i think it can be done, directors have to embrace how his character is played in the originals as a smart ass tormentor.
Terrifier guy should give it a shot.
Englund basically "is" Freddy.
Its damn near impossible to replace him. I honestly didn't think Haley was even bad (the movie was) he just wasn't Englund.
Jeepers Creepers was scarier
The horror genre always had great behind the scenes documentary.