Superheroes are inherently trash, and they've irreparably ruined not only the entire medium of comics, but discussion of said medium. Other genres basically don't exist in this space, and that fricking sucks.
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So what other genres have you read?
That's just it, there aren't any other genres in comics. It's all capeshit. There's simply nothing else to read.
That is utterly untrue, even in the main stream there are so many other comics to read that aren't about Capes. Then you have almost a centuries worth of material to dig from, and a lot of it holds up. But let me guess, if it's not in the spotlight on social media, it doesn't count? That's the kind of backwards thinking that regresses the artf orm to nothing but a constant stream of new content to tickle your consuming sensibilities.
Don’t bother replying. This guy makes this thread frequently. He’ll shit on whatever comics you bring up.
Sage
I don't want to read ancient "funny" books. Nobody does.
One of many reasons why i switched to french comics.
>euroshit
You traded one inherently trash genre for a different inherently trash genre.
eat shit homosexual
>coombait
Bet you only look at the pictures and don't bother reading it
Naturally. You can't expect euroshills to have standards.
Coombait can be a good indicator if a comic might be worth reading or just western propaganda slop. Even if the comic sucked i still saw some breasts.
Have you ever heard of Tex?
Have you read any of the new Conan books?
Is Sonic capeshit?
Yes
Japanese Sonic in particular is explicitly a superhero who just happens to be a weird furry
Functionally, yes.
You didn't figure out shit. You're just desperate to not face the fact that the industry is fricked.
OK, OP, I'll give you another if you insist. This is about a guy who keeps waking up to find that days have vanished without him noticing. It's quite poignant.
You do realize I'm not going to read the garbage that you're dumping in front o me, right? Nobody else will either, but then you're one of those misguided idiots who has yet to realize that recshit does not work for a multitude of reasons.
I actually read that one after someone recommended here. But don't worry, anon, I know what you're secretly after. I would skip the Deliverance sequel, but the initial run of Postal is entertaining enough.
Sure you did. And I've made it no secret that I just want to talk about the industry. Something you corporate brainwashed morons consistently resist.
I've recently been reading Bilal's Carnival of the Immortals serialised in old Heavy Metals. It's quite good, and it's an appropriate time to read it, as it's one of these old scifi works set in the dark, dystopian future of the 2020s. I always find that entertaining.
Nobody cares. have a nice day, euroshill.
You can't get enough today, can you?
Tex Arcana is another strip I enjoyed from the same era of Heavy Metal. It's a comedy horror set in the Old West. The author's actually put the whole thing up for free online, now.
That anime girl looking friend of the main character is cute.
This was pretty good. Except for those few panels of the Bastille Day parade. The artist really should have looked up a few pictures.
>There are no other genres
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>I don't know, I haven't bothered to search nor will I, I just want to complain about the heroes and big publishers.
This is like listening to someone who only dates garbage men/women say that no "good ones" exist
i read the looney tunes comics DC does
(ngl they could use fresher writers/artists)
>Other genres basically don't exist in this space
maybe if the gays who always cry about too much capeshit actually bought horror, sci-fi, fantasy, etc they'd make more. the people that cry the loudest about comics being overrun with capeshit don't buy or read comics.
I'd buy them if they actually existed.
Your fault for not looking for them hard enough
I have look high and low. They don't exist. You're a disingenuous twat.
They exist, it's just when anyone brings them up you scream "INDIESHIT!" or some other moronic buzzword while filling your diaper.
As to why people don't want to spend an entire thread uselessly grumbling about soulless corporations with an ill-tempered manbaby, I'm flummoxed. It must be the fault of everyone you've ever talked with; it certainly couldn't be yours.
Indies are invariably the unhinged scrawlings of inherently bad people who are at risk of hurting themselves and others. No sane person want to go anywhere near that.
>As to why people don't want to spend an entire thread uselessly grumbling about soulless corporations
Squeaky wheel gets the grease. The problem isn't going to go away on its own.
You don't even know what the industry is even putting out to have a right to complain about it. I bet you've never even considered just walking into an actual comic book store or even browsing the front page of shit like comixology to see if you could find something not made by Marvel or DC, cause if you could I guarantee you wouldn't be this much of a whiny homosexual about finding "nothing".
>I bet you've never even considered just walking into an actual comic book store
Don't have one near me.
>or even browsing the front page of shit like comixology
You mean the thing that no longer exists? Dumbass.
Then drive to one.
And Comixology's owned by amazon. So go on. Screenshot the front page of Comixology. I dare you, b***h.
Is it any good? I like magic based comics.
Not really? But if you like magic, you can give it a try.
Art's great and some very imaginative use of magic and creative kills.
And there are A LOT of kills in the comic. The whole series is just about killing really. A serial killer group is going around killing powerful magicians and the Magic Order is trying to figure out who and how to stop them.
For me, I got emotionally detached with all the characters dying so quickly, I saw no reason to get invested. The story was clearly meant to continue and be a series, clearly aiming for a Netflix show, but the characters kind of suck.
OP's pic is of an escapologist who can escape literally anything. Anything. No matter what. It got a little stupid.
>>save the world with superpowers crap
No it's not. It's a murder mystery with superpowers. You clearly don't care about this medium.
Ah, shame. Still, I might give it a read anyways if I do come across it, I love when writers actually get creative with magic. Thanks very much for the input, anon.
>You clearly don't care about this medium.
You're not even wrong. I used to care, before it became clear it had nothing to offer me besides frustration and disappointment.
There's nothing but slop, you idiot! There are no non-slop comic books. That's the part you are consistently refusing to process. It doesn't matter how deep one digs, there's nothing of value to be found anywhere. And it's all because capeshit ruined it.
Nah, I think the problem is entirely on you this time, man. Fact of the matter is, you can pick up fricking Archie Digest books at the grocery store if you are that desperate to not read superhero stories inspite of every half-assed claim you've made that there's no possible way to escape cape comics, so frankly, everything you say is the barkings of a willfully ignorant dog that's addicted to the smell of his own farts. Please, seek therapy.
>Archie Digest
I would sooner read Mark Millar's Youngblood run in its entirety than subject myself to that torture.
Recommendations are immoral, intrusive, and against the rules. Simple as.
If it’s against the rules then why are all the posts recommending stuff still up?
Misguided board culture.
>People buy Archie.
WHY? Even by slice of life standards it's dull swill. People really do have no standards.
>muh manga
Frick off.
It's cheap as hell, it has a bunch of one-off simple stories that are one and done, it has characters that everyone recognizes, and the visuals are consistent and fairly eye-catching for most rea-
Hang on, aren't those the kinds of things that made superhero comics famous? And the kind of qualities you've been barking they should have in the present. What a queer coincidence that is
So it being cheap swill is the appeal. Again, no standards.
>Hang on, aren't those the kinds of things that made superhero comics famous?
No, it's the power level wank. Nobody actually cares about these characters and who they are, only what they can do.
>And the kind of qualities you've been barking they should have in the present.
I didn't say that at all. You're projecting.
Maybe you should spend more time reading comics instead of complaining on the internet then. Maybe start with Scholastic, since clearly Archie Digests are too complicated and overburdening for your tiny brain to comprehend.
See, you joke, but the typical Magic School Bus adventure is unironically better than your average capeshit story.
Then why aren't you reading that instead, you fairy?
Because he like to hateread. He's an obsessive Marvel/DC fanboy that hate the current stories but can't stop reading and refuses to read anything else.
Wow. Suddenly the later Eltingville Club stories no longer seem so extreme.
Always sad to see someone so addicted and refusing to quit harming themselves like that
They're saying all comics are bad bc superhero comics were/are popular. very strange argument
Superhero comics made it impossible for other genres to get published. Nobody bothers making non-cape fare anymore.
But you just agreed Archie Digest exists, and that's not cape comics.
Exception that proves the rule. Archie is a weird, frankly shit, anomaly. Nobody can explain how the flying frick it still gets published.
Said comics are invariably euro and indie trash. So yes, of course I call them shit. Cause they're shit.
People buy Archie. So it gets published. Simple as. The fact you don't enjoy it isn't anyone's problems but your own. Also, if you hate western comics this much, just buy manga or read webtoons.
They're not, he just can't accept a world where people are able to enjoy works of fiction he can't, like Hellboy or The Goon.
so capeshit doesn't make it impossible to publish different kinds of comics
What the frick part of 'exception that proves the rule' do you not understand?
that's not blatantly not true and when people post comics to prove it the conversation shifts to how they're all shit for whatever reason
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Your fault for not reading shit like ABC Warriors to begin with. INCREASE THE PEACE!
>euroslop
No. It doesn't matter how much garbage you try to shill, you're just desperately avoiding the hard fact that the US comics industry is fricked and has nothing to offer besides capeshit.
The US has nothing to offer period.
>Someone post something
>No
Same cycle...over and over.
Didn't care about the US comics industry to begin with, tosser
>hurr durr it's just capeshit
>different anon posts something that is not capeshit
>waaah! i'm crying!
Don't you get tired of complain about the same things? There's 1000s of comics old and new you could read and most likely like but here you are...just repeating...over...and over...and over...
Don't YOU ever get tired of refusing to have this conversation? Why are you fricks so in denial that the CCA fricked this medium and continues to do so despite being long defunct?
Comics will always be made, comics will always exist, as long as there's ways to draw people will make comics and comics of all kinds exist no matter how much you want push your petty culture war nonsense, comics will never die and comics of all kinds have been and will still be made.
>Comics will always be made, comics will always exist,
Yeah, and apparently they're only over allowed to be capeshit. Cause those are the only ones that ever get made.
I could list titles that aren't superheroes but not worth my time, so keep your hate while I actually enjoy the medium.
Yeah sure, enjoy your capeslop, I guess. Must be nice having zero standards.
It”s great.
The only ones who deny this are censorship-supporting boomers and moralgays who, ironically enough, hate superheroes just as much as you do.
ITT:
>elephants went fricking extinct. why did this happen? let's talk about this.
>what are you talking about? elephants are not extinct.
>yes they fricking are.
>here is life footage of an elephant taken just this year.
>i am here to talk about why elephants went extinct, not watch your shitty videos. are you incapable of having a discussion with me?
>haha you're an obvious troll and I should stop talking to you but here is another footage of an elephant anyway
>i am here to talk about why elephants went extinct, not watch your shitty videos. are you incapable of having a discussion with me?
>haha you're an obvious troll and I should stop talking to you but here is another footage of an elephant anyway
[repeat the last two lines ad nauseum]
I'd read an elephant-themed superhero. Or a rhino themed one. Those guys are built like tanks.
Read a European comic or an indie.
No. I'm not reading pretentious watercolor wank or future mass shooter manifestos.
Read prose then.
>Cinemaphile: "lol just read a book"
This board really is fricked.
I quite like pretentious watercolour wank. Pic related was interesting.
kino
Lots of comic out there, pal. Take a look. It's in a book.
The Chuckling Whatsit is great as well.
Frick off, LeVar Burton.
I wish I was Levar Burton. Where's my iconic slave role
Oh well
More fish for Kunta!
Since OP is a fricknugget who deserves his unhappiness, let's recommend each other some non-superhero comics. I'll start by nominating ABC Warriors because it's war robots shooting the shit out of other robots, gribbly aliens and super soldiers with some fantastic art.
Paul Pope, just anything by the guy.
Was a nice 'sequel' to a Disney film that never got finished beyond a storybook adaption.
>recgayging
It's like you "people" are trying to make Cinemaphile into a shithole. Frick off.
It seems to be making you upset, so that makes it a fun bonus
you should read Mouse Guard, OP
Anon, there are lots of nice comics out there
I finished Patty Cake recently
I enjoyed it a lot and if you like Nick Magazine or Cartoon Block Party, you'd definitely enjoy it
Not a big 2000 ad guy but Shakara was a Goated comic I always shill
why are you so upset
Man I love comics.
Because the Comics Code Authority killed off every other genre besides superheroes, and thus there is nothing to fricking read. Additionally, you lot are desperately trying to deny that this is the case so you can shill your obscure trashrags, not realizing that they are obscure for a damn good reason.
Love and Rockets isn't all that obscure. You're not some kind of casual, right?
Worse, he is an outrage troll and people love feeding him. The only point he can make is that no one makes threads about any of these comic you guys keep throw at him but someone can post the 30,0000th "why superman sucks" or "how to fix [insert Marvel/DC character]" and you guys are all over it.
Abloobloobloo
>hurr hurr must be a troll because me no like topic
moron, I just wanted to have a conversation about how capeshit ruined comic books. Frick you.
I genuinely hate you. Go die.
Anon, we got comics all over the board. What kind of comics do you even like? What genres would you want to see more of? It exists. Please just open your eyes (and heart).
>Anon, we got comics all over the board.
No, we have live-action wank and Invincible shilling all over the board.
>alf, symbiote spiderman, shooter in charge of marvel
a legitimately good time in comics
He's pretty funny imo. I do wish people would link downloads to the indie comics but that's just me being lazy
Hey, a thread already died for his failed ragebait, so why not just hijack it to shitpost our fave shit? Speaking of which, I'm partial to the Flaming Carrot, I highly recommend it.
So your issue isn't that the industry is narrow in scope, but that old-world legalities limited the evolution of the art form and killed the potential of what it could have been, in your opinion?
Anon, acknowledge the past, but don't lament over the history that could have been when you can be the change you want to see in the industry. Why do you WANT to be mad?
Just find something you enjoy reading, from any time period, and share it with the people in your life (or people on this board.) The world isn't a singular constant.
Might I recommend 'Paul has a Summer Job'? A coming of age story, where a discontent young adult is roped into becoming a camp counselor circumventing the usual trope of a live-changing summer with it just becoming another facet of influence on his existence, but a meaningful, personal experience none the less.
I've heard of Mouse Guard, and I liked it. Little mice dudes being knights, fighting off wild sparrows and running from feral cats that are compared to dragons, it's great. It's even got one of those tabletop adaptations so you could go on your own mouse knight adventures.
Nobody gives a frick about your Redwall knockoff, shill.
Have normal people heard of it? No? Then it's obscure. Frick off with your pretentious indie trash.
>Frick off with your pretentious indie trash.
So it comes back around to you not wanting to support the thing you say you want.
>indiegay once again deluding themselves into thinking their mass shooter manifestos are going to be the savior of the medium
I swear to god, you "people" need to frick off with this bullshit. Indies are shit because they don't have editors, and thus no filter for the "author"s insane prostituteshit. This basement dwelling freaks need someone to tell them no before they can claim to put out a worthwhile product.
I liked Redwall too, but then that's for >>lit
I think some people just like being mad
it's like he's trying to get others mad but getting mad that it's not working
Nah, I've figured OP out. He makes these threads all the time, and his stubborn insistence that comics don't exist is actually quite effective at getting anons to recommend their favourite comics. These are just stealth recbait threads.
Rageahol.
It makes them feel important and at the center of things.
Anyway, my recc is Den Neverwhere by Richard Corben.
wittle baby mad his thread isn't going the way he wanted it to?
Maybe something cuter? I read Housecat Trouble recently, and while it was a little more anime-influenced than I would have liked, it was still a really cute story with some nice art.
Does this guy go insane if you try to rec newspaper comics to him? Like what's his fun excuse for why they don't count
For some reason I never got what Prince Valiant was about no matter where or when I pick it up. Anyone have a TL;DR beyond a dude adventuring and whacking people with his sword?
>dude adventuring and whacking people with his sword
I thought that plus the art was always the appeal. I used to follow a twitter account that would post pages daily but at some point they died/left twitter
He's said they're too old, I think.
>"fun excuse"
Aside from the fact it looks like shit?
How about you try using your search bar and look it up, you lazy c**t.
>Aside from the fact it looks like shit?
lmao
Cause I’d like to hear it from Cinemaphile first, now shush and let the grownups talk
Well, you got me there, but I was still curious if there is an overarching narrative I’m missing out on
>Cause I’d like to hear it from Cinemaphile first,
>moron actually views Cinemaphile as a reliable and enriching source of information
Oh yeah, I'm really missing out on my eyes bleeding. How will I go on.
Calm down and read some Dogman or Demon Slayer
Only things he reads is posts on websites that agree with his opinions
While the current industry is still trying to find it's footing, it is losing traction to manga. Stories like soloists in a cage rarely even get talked about because most readers want an action romp like JJK. Both Japanese and Western readers seem to lean towards action. While not a bad thing I can see your complaint that capes have oversaturated the market and with that a very visible decline in quality. That doesn't mean Image comics doesn't exist. There are various creator owned properties there even if a majority of their writers also write capetrash.
The main problem is that, not unlike shonen, capes are so saturated that they're the only kind of books anyone is familiar with, and thus the only ones that sell. Which is pretty pathetic when you consider that "high sales" in the American market is about 20,000.
>muh Image
Sigh... And here I thought I was about to have a discussion with someone sensible. Alas.
It does look like shit. It's like a children's picture book.
your loss i guess
>the Sci-Fi homosexual is back
All you Anons are just wasting your time. You could rec him the best comics in the world and he'd shit his diaper about how they're "Euroshit" or "Indieshit" or whatever. He's a moronic, petulant baby who just wants to cry and b***h instead of actually trying new comics and finding something he likes.
>"Waaaaah, why won't you just eat the trash I try to shill at you?"
Frick off. I am not here to look at your terrible slop rags. I am here to discuss the state of the industry and possibly come up with ways to fix it. I will never understand why you are so averse to the premise of just fricking talking about something.
You're not wrong. I'd personally recommend other comics to the people interesting, but you're right that this is a troll thread and should be ill-respected as such.
btw You guys should read The Tick, its initial run was short but it still feels so damn good.
You've got nothing to talk about though.
>"Cape comics are in the shitter!"
>"...And?"
>"Annnnnnnnnnnnd cape comics are in the shitter! The whole industry is dead!"
>"...There's more than cape comi-"
>"INDUSTRY! DEAD! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"
>"Okay, bye weirdo."
>You've got nothing to talk about though.
I've got plenty to talk about, but you morons keep trying to shill your crap instead of actually engaging in a conversation.
We could talk about how one-in-dones need to come back, how marketing outside of maybe a thousand pathetic basement dwellers needs to happen, how relying on the same 15 writers and not bringing in any new talent is rather obviously fricking stupid... but no, you morons just CAN'T stop trying to push your indie and euroslop.
>how one-in-dones need to come back,
>how relying on the same 15 writers and not bringing in any new talent is rather obviously fricking stupid
The new Marvel team book The Ultimates, by a writer who has like two credits in the industry, is doing this for the first year
Okay, that's ONE example. Anything else written by someone who isn't ancient? Any other series that try to make each individual issue worth paying for?
>And the fact those are not goddamn working means there's way more wrong than just advertising to the chuds
Yeah, almost like people are fricking sick of sueprheroes or something, and publishers should try literally any other genre for once.
>Duh, but how the frick are you going to get writers when the pay and benefits are so non-existent
All the major publishers are owned by ultra powerful megacorps. Pay your fricking staff. Gotta spend money to make money.
Who's talking about superheroes? I'm talking about American comics in general. Most 'new' people doing it are vanity publishing or webcomic artists breaking into the industry. I THINK science fiction comics and alternate history are on the rise nowadays after the massive influx of slice of life and romance books, but don't quote me on that, that's just what I've seen from the kinds of things advertised on like comixology and stuff.
>I'm talking about American comics in general.
Which are literally ONLY capeshit. That's something that seriously needs to change.
>I THINK science fiction comics and alternate history are on the rise nowadays
They're not. Trust me, I've checked. A lot.
No offense, but you really need to stop reading cape comics if you hate them so much and start expanding your market. Those seem to be your only point of reference whenever you talk about them, so it's kind of a self-imposed purgatory there.
>No offense, but you really need to stop reading cape comics if you hate them so much and start expanding your market.
THERE'S LITERALLY NOTHING ELSE TO READ, YOU STUPID butthole. How many fricking times do I have to explain this to you fricking morons? There isn't anything but capeshit. There are no fricking books out there besides capeshit. I can't expand my horizons because the industry is a tiny island in the middle of a blank white void. There's literally nothing else. Fricking hell.
Tell you what, I'll continue talking if you can name five comics that are being published right this instant that are not being published by either Marvel or DC. Till then, I think we're all done here, and I'll continue reading 2000 AD.
Okay.
>The Walking Dead
Which is trash.
>Star Wars
Which is trash.
>Invincible
Which is trash.
>Savage Dragon
Which is trash
>Judge Dredd
Which is trash.
Happy?
Yes, I am, because you have finally admitted to both yourself and the world that the industry consists of more than just superhero comics. I'm so proud of you, anon. You've finally taken that important first step.
Trash doesn't count. There's nothing in this industry worth reading. The rare few genre pieces are all drowned out by capeshit, and they're always garbage anyway. Your condescension doesn't change that fact.
Then go read a book. Or better yet, touch grass.
>hurr hurr read a book
have a nice day. You're just content with the comics industry being a pitiful mess with nothing to offer? You're so browbeaten that you refuse to even ponder ways it could theoretically be fixed, and would attack anyone who doesn't pretend that everything is fine? That's pathetic and so are you.
One thing that could possible save the industry? Readers getting some damn standards. That might help.
No, the problems with how the American comics book industry run too deep for your limited understanding to even come close to fixing, considering you named the Walking Dead, which has been over for five years. Frankly, if you desire a quick fix solution that comic that badly, they should go back to packaging floppies with trading cards or bubblegum. It'd shoot up their worth by a whole helluva lot more than whatever you could think of.
You're pretending like the problem is just too complicated, but it's not. Publishers need to offer more than just capes. The vast majority of people in the world do not like superheroes, period. Give them something, anything else, and I guarantee you'll see an immediate improvement. Well, granted that does require comic book companies to learn how to properly market their products. They need to put out some fricking ads first, the incompetent twats.
>Publishers need to offer more than just capes.
They do.
You just pretend they don't, because you're nothing but a posturing fraud, OP
I have literally NEVER seen anything but capeshit from the big two. Ever. If they do publish other genres, then they have utterly failed to tell me about it. So either there's no variety whatsoever, or publishers are incompetent morons. Pick one. Or pick both, because both apply regardless.
OP we already know you're a posturing fraud, you don't need to double down on it
I'm starting to think OP isn't pretending, but genuinely has a condition that makes him see everything as capeshit no matter what.
>Publishers need to offer more than just capes
They do. If you just stopped reading only Marvel and DC, you'd be able to see that. Google Void Rivals sometime, dipshit.
>The vast majority of people in the world do not like superheroes
They do, considering X-Men '97 and Invincible are still a thing
>They need to put out some fricking ads
They do that as well. Marvel and DC outright put out youtube and twitter advertisements, and I've seen Power Rangers comics promotions as well.
>They do.
No, they fricking don't. Again, I haven't seen any frickin' ads for them. So if they do exist, publishers apparently don't want me to read them.
>They do, considering X-Men '97 and Invincible are still a thing
Cartoons are slightly more socially acceptable than comics. Also, only capeshitters are watching those. The rest of the world is disgusted that anyone would willingly watch that crap.
>They do that as well.
Now you're just straight up lying. have a nice day.
>I haven't seen any frickin' ads for them.
Unironically, that's a skill issue all on you. Lol.
Literally never seen these, and I won't be watching them now. Frick off, shill.
So you admit your inability to find comics you want is entirely your fault and not the comics industry failing anyone. I accept your concession, nerd.
What? It's my fault that I've literally never come across any of these ads? You're actually moronic.
Yes, it is. You have all the tools to find comics that aren’t yet more superhero stories, and you’ve chosen to ignore them to complain about the same sector again and again, just like you post this thread again and again when people point out you can feee yourself of your cage at any point. It’s why this is more of a you problem than anything else. Superhero comics have issues, but you’re not even remotely equipped to fox them if you can’t even accept that they really are genuinely trying to make more comics outside of the Big 2. Do some actual research next time and reflect on your willful ignorance.
stop bumping up his thread you moron
Fair enough. Going to sage the thread then.
Clearly if I could find these in less than a minute, you didn’t bother to actually look.
Again, I HAVE looked. There's fricking NOTHING. This industry is a goddamned wasteland. You're either illiterate or willfully ignoring what I'm telling you because you're a stupid c**t trying to act superior. In either case, go frick yourself.
>"Stop talking about comics."
...
You don't read comics, OP
It's already established
I do read comics. It's just that they're all terrible.
What comics have you read that you actually liked? Because there has to be some, otherwise you wouldn't be a comic fan, or give a shit to begin with.
Why do you care? Like seriously, for someone who hates comics books, you like to complain about the industry a lot. Go read Webtoons or something then, you fricking nerd.
>"Why do you, a comic book fan, care about the state of the comic book industry?"
Because you're clearly not a comic book fan. You only want recommendations from "The Big 2" that are specifically NOT capeshit, but any recommendations from other companies are "indie" and therefore bad because it's not popular or mainstream. So? Same with Manga or European stuff, or Webtoons. If it's not DC or Marvel then it's trash, that's your opinion. Give me any example of a comic book that you like if this isn't the case.
What about Saga of the Swamp Thing, or The Sandman, or The Books of Magic? Cape adjacent isn't the same as cape.
The big two are trash too because they're nothing but capeshit. Your delusional narrative about me is wrong, and you're an idiot. And no, I don't want your fricking recommendations. I want to discuss ways to unfrick this shitawful industry.
Like, seriously, can we just straight up kill tradewriting? We need to normalize 'seasons', a twelve issue storyline where each issue is standalone, but still contributes to the overall plot.
I suggest you get yourself hired by the Big 2 and work your way up in the industry, then use your influence there to tear it up and rebuild it from within. You're a hard man, so you'll absolutely make good times for the comics trade instead of getting assimilated into the existing culture or getting systematically broken down.
That seasons idea is shit. Who the frick would only limit themselves to twenty pages at best to tell a single story in for the rest of their lives? Even back in the days floppies had at least two different small stories to justify your nickels worth. That’s why nobody discusses this shit with you and wants you to acknowledge that the comic’s industry is bigger than your narrow scope. Cause your ideas to”save” it are moronic.
The majority of this isn't cape and isn't indie. I defy you to explain why it's all shit.
Still waiting for you to list off anything you actually like.
Why is capeshit a bad thing?
This is the difference between enjoying comics in all it's forms based on the stories and art, the only merits that comics should be judged by... and you choosing to be a miserable c**t who doesn't even know what he wants.
Because the concept of vigilantes with physics defying abilities makes no sense, and there's no way in hell such people would ever be tolerated under any circumstances. Also the gaudy costumes and melodramatic tone certainly don't help.
>Who the frick would only limit themselves to twenty pages at best to tell a single story in for the rest of their lives?
Someone who understand the importance of pacing.
Just going to say that even Japan understands the concept of a multi-parter story, and their comics book industry is thriving lol
Even if the industry became exactly whatever it is you want, how/why would that be better? Would you actually be happy or just find something else to complain about because you're just a hater.
There'd be something worthwhile to read for once.
Bit of an extreme metaphor, but functionally not wrong. Frick else you gonna read? There's nothing else on the shelf.
>Frick else you gonna read?
Oh, I see. You're still baiting for recs. Don't worry, OP, I've got you.
I love this comic. It's a story about a guy who might be getting pulled into a bizarre world of monsters and nightmares to help a mentally-disabled homeless girl, or might just be going mad due to his brain tumour. Worth a read either way.
>moron takes a rhetorical question as further excuse to shill crap
What is actually wrong with you? They can't possibly be paying you enough for this.
mirin bro
scud and the omnis are what I kept when I gave my /shelf/ away
wish I wasn't too into not having stuff to start a collection
something something wrestling with a pig in the mud
>how relying on the same 15 writers and not bringing in any new talent is rather obviously fricking stupid
I say we bring in my friend Clem. He always knows how to tell a good story, even about taking an extra long poop. I'm sure he could conjure up some sturries.
>one-in-dones need to come back
Very limited appeal, would be nice but with how dependent most places are on reprints and repeat sales, not likely.
>marketing outside of maybe a thousand pathetic basement dwellers needs to happen
They have been doing that, though, they've not only been utilizing media projects like movies and toons, they've also been using youtube and tiktok and twitter to reach out. And the fact those are not goddamn working means there's way more wrong than just advertising to the chuds
>how relying on the same 15 writers and not bringing in any new talent is rather obviously fricking stupid
Duh, but how the frick are you going to get writers when the pay and benefits are so non-existent that it's no secret the people who work as comic book writers absolutely don't need it to make a living, aka the same 15 writers? You aren't. That's a fact. Long as these people aren't paid to do this for a living, they're not going to do it for a living. Simple as.
Again, nothing to really talk about.
To those of you that actually read comics, stop replying to this spam. You're letting legitimate comics threads die by keeping this spam alive and by ignoring those.
Cry about it.
>BAAAAWW my butt is very hurt and cape shit is so bad and there will never be anything else to read
>"Here is a list of good non-superhero comics you can read. Some old, some contemporary and some are currently on going"
>Wait that is NOT MARVEL, THAT JUST SHIT TOO BAAAAWWW THE WEST HAS FALLEN!!! MILLIONS MUST DIE!!
Every. Fricking. Time. with you people. Just have a nice day, you consumer moron.
Remember to always gatekeep your comics from these people, they are not worth the spit in a pig's mouth.
Between making this thread and the fact he's in at least three other threads calling people shills, I think it's safe to say Cranky is having a manic episode
>Hurr durr I'm too lazy to seek out the comics I'm interested in and find a community who reads them.
Shouldn't have to go digging to find something worthwhile to read. Besides, I already did, and I found jack shit.
What comics threads? Nobody on Cinemaphile wants to talk about comics.
Stop entertaining this moron. While you do this, actual comics threads are dying.
You are so full of shit that it's unbelievable.
Stating facts apparently makes one full of shit these days. Typical.
So no one is going to mention that OP's pic isn't from a superhero comic but from an original series called The Magic Order?
Stop bumping the thread. STOP bumping the thread. Why do you frickers always give attention to these spammers?
Go bump other comic book threads. Let this homosexual argue with himself.
Eh, it's Millar and it's save the world with superpowers crap. It might as well be capeshit.
>Then drive to one.
Why? To waste my time? Nah.
>And Comixology's owned by amazon. So go on. Screenshot the front page of Comixology. I dare you, b***h.
Bezos isn't getting my money. Frick you.
Then congratulations, scifigay, you just displayed why you're officially the source of your own misery when it comes to comics.
I don't suck up to corpos, so it's my fault? Interesting take away there.
>recgayging
have a nice day, please.
There's everything wrong with that. It's fricking stupid.
No, it's that despite all the tools to not eat slop and find something better than it, you still do so and then complain about it, like running headfirst into a wall and screaming someone should have stopped you from doing so. You're literally one of the buttholes that's making comic books worse that you complain about.
>this thing doesnt exist
>here are numerous examples of the thing
>no u
I accept your concession. Glad we could sort this out.
>If you're looking for me, you better check under the seaaaaaaa.
>SEEEAAAALAAAAAB
Ah, thanks for putting this into my head
Top ten cartoon theme songs, god damn.
Magic Order and Cordelia is just riffing Millar on Zatanna much like how Wanted was a DC pastiche with Millar having his takes on DC's villains. You can see the influences from Zatanna with how Cordelia trying to live up to her dad and also the search for her mom (which was a part of Zatanna's pre-crisis history).
>Other genres basically don't exist in this space
what the frick are you on about
literally off the top of my head
HISTORICAL DRAMA:
Maus, Corto Maltese, Jodorowsky's Borgia
POLITICAL SATIRE:
Judge Dredd, American Flagg
MYSTERY/NOIR:
Blacksad, Hellblazer, Sin City, XIII
CHARACTER DRAMA:
Jimmy Corrigan: The Smartest Boy on Earth, Blue Is The Warmest Color, Persepolis
SWORD & SORCERY:
Thorgal, Conan, Slaine
SCIENCE FICTION:
Valieran et Laurelie, Metabarons, The Incal
Would you like me to go on? I could go on.
>Superheroes are inherently trash, and they've irreparably ruined not only the entire medium of comics, but discussion of said medium
theres nothing wrong about fiction based around people with superhuman abilities and funny costumes
I'm starting to think the people who keep bumping this up is the OP switching between phone IPs or something
>masterful trollas
Are we still recommending comics to this autist? Here's one. Good shit.
This is capeshit but I actually enjoyed H.E.R.O a lot.
I disagree.
Recently read Through The Woods. It was a very bad idea to read the whole thing at night...and in the lonely countryside...but I enjoyed the whole thing.
I don't give a frick what you like or don't. Eat a dick, turbohomosexual.
Superheroes did not ruins Capepunk. It was the obsession for edgy supers that ruined the genre and the 3000 "Superman but evil and can rape main superman" clones.
>Other genres basically don't exist in this space
that's a "Cinemaphile is a boomer board" problem, not a capeshit problem.
Most other places on the net talk about indies much more often.
The B-list publishers are a nightmare world of licenseshit and movie/TV pitches and the indie world is an even worse hellscape of self-absorbed psychopaths publishing drivel.
OP is a Butthurt Transformers fan that IDW Transformers has died out. That's literally it.
There, I saved you the trouble.
iirc there's something about wonder woman autism too
So what comics do you want to read? Describe them in as much detail as you can.
This is what the industry forces you to consume.
>inb4 memetards ironically venerating this shit
Either have a nice day or acquire standards.
That’s like pointing to a horse and screaming “this is what the auto industry wants you to drive!”
Thing is, he does the same thing if you actually do find a comic that Marvel or DC sells that isn’t about superheroes, he just dismisses as garbage without any elaboration. That’s how he’s trapped himself in this moronic loop for years now. He outright shuts down any possible example that he thinks could contradict him, throws a tantrum when people inevitably find something he didn’t cover, and keeps doing it until he prematurely declares victory by going “it’s all capeshit reeeeee”. It’s kind of like watching a genie with autism try and fail to trick someone into wishing them free
And that would've been a decent analogy if cars didn't exist. Thing is, comics are basically the Amish of entertainment. Publishers know there's other and better things out there, but they actively refuse to embrace it because they're stuck in the old ways that don't actually benefit them anymore.
You'll be waiting til you're worm food. I'm still waiting for you to frick off with your shitty bait.
I think you're the Amish in your analogy, cause anons have pointed out time and again that comic books have long since expanded beyond comics, but you're the one still screaming blasphemy and refusing to accept the reality of the situation
I still don't care about your indie trash. Mainstream comics are still stuck in the drowning pool that is capeshit. This is an undeniable fact.
Japan is a nation of weirdos who gleefully embrace their own stereotypes as a borderline borg collective. I don't give a haypenny shit about the Japanese comics industry. It has frick all to do with the American one.
You've yet to prove your thesis in any meaningful way, and in fact look more and more stupid in the face of mounting evidence that your thesis is in fact very flawed and/or completely out of date
Oh, and evidently super-racist too. So have fun being angry at the comics you like no longer being made, although at this point with the fact you can't even handle goddamn Archie Digest or a newspaper comic I can't conceive of what comic books you've ever read that didn't automatically have you shitting your pants in outrage
>You've yet to prove your thesis in any meaningful way,
I don't need to, it's self-evident. Comics fricked themselves hard with the CCA, and they've never escaped from their self-made prison. Everyone knows this.
>Oh, and evidently super-racist too.
What? Japanese people absolutely do embrace their own stereotypes. Are you insane?
The Invisibles proves you wrong.
>Indie shi-
Made by DC
>Cape shi-
Explicitly called non-superhero by everyone involved
>Not notable enou-
Trade paperbacks, an omnibus, hardback collections, cited as an influence on shit like The Matrix
You're the only one in your own self-made prison. You're clearly the insane one.
>Morrison
Don't care. Not reading your pretentious slop.
Congrats, you've unironically been given the exact thing you want by the industry three decades ago and you still spit on it
I very distinctly do not want some shitty Borrowers knockoff written by an Irish hack. What I want from this industry does not exist, and never will so long as capeshit is drowning everything in a sea of samey piss.
>What I want from this industry does not exist
And finally, he admits it. So why not just make your own then? Or better yet, touch grass and do something productive with your life instead of fighting against a figment of your imagination? Cause that can't be healthy.
Agreed. I'll put down X-O Manowar here as a reminder to myself to actually go and read it in the meantime, I keep hearing how good it is.
>admits
Admits what? That I don't like anything the industry currently has to offer? Yeah no shit, moron. Almost like there's a specific genre that's oversaturating the market and making it impossible for anything else to get published.
>So why not just make your own then?
Yeah, I'll just do that with all those resources I don't have. Frick you.
You can always self-publish. The mainstream industry can't do anything to stop you.
>You can always self-publish.
Again, apparently by utilizing the contents of my ass. moron.
>No, that what you actually want to see in comic books literally doesn't exist. You have no specifics on what you actually want to see, so you've no idea if what you want even is out there. So why should anyone listen to what you have to say when you yourself stated that you legitimately wouldn't be pleased with anything even if you miraculously realized what you even wanted?
That's not at all what I actually said, but you decided to get creative with the contents of your ass.
>Line paper and pencils cost like five bucks at worst
Bitch, I can't fricking draw. You're a goddamned idiot.
You're self publishing, right now, by posting on this image board.
... I feel like it's an insult to everyone's intellect to actually explain the difference between a forum post and a comic book.
No medium should ever be in such a dire state as to invite declarations of "Fine, I'll do it myself.". That's not a healthy industry. That's just fricked up and sad.
"I'll do it myself" is how everyone who draws or writes comic books fricking starts out though, you mongoloid
That's only because they aren't having their itch being scratched. Supply and demand, dumbass.
I promise you it isn't. What, you think I want to be here talking to you obnoxious twats? Frick no, I'd much rather be reading good comic books. But there aren't any, so here we are.
>That's only because they aren't having their itch being scratched. Supply and demand, dumbass.
So, your precise situation. Like, exactly. Something you could solve in an instant if you genuinely cared.
>What, you think I want to be here talking to you obnoxious twats?
prima facie, b***h
Not a matter of caring, dipshit. It's a physical impossibility.
Oh dear, you lost both your hands and feet and can't physically grip a pencil anymore? I'm so sorry, man, I didn't know.
>brother find the pepe for me and post it
No, I just wasn't born a mutant freak.
Also, frick this. We're getting way off topic. This is a thread about capes being trash. You now remember pic related. This was meant to be a serious story that DC expected people to pay money for. This is what you're defending. Roy Harper strung the frick out on heroin and cradling a dead cat. Superheroes.
ur trash
No, I'm pretty sure it was a favorite comics thread that you're squatting in for whatever reason.
Speaking of which, I know a euro friend of mine also suggested Grimjack if I wanted a good action comic, so I'm going to pass the suggestion along to the rest of Cinemaphile.
Man, I really better catch up then. Also, what's the story on that whole DMG driving the company into the dirt? How bad are things for Valiant right now?
Frick off and die. Literally nobody asked for recommendations, and anyone who dos want them is a fake comics fan. Anyone who is legitimately interested in comics is just going to look them up, not harass forum users to do research for them. Frick off.
Tell me, dipshit. What brain damaged moron would ever go to Cinemaphile of all places to find information on good comic books? Anyone who thinks this place is a good resource for getting into the medium is an actual psycho who needs to be put in prison immediately.
>what dipshit
absolute irony
I dunno, actual creators themselves?
What fake ass nonsense am I looking at here?
An actual picture made by Steve Lieber, regarding his experiences with people "pirating" his comic via storytime threads on Cinemaphile
https://www.techdirt.com/2010/10/26/interview-with-the-guy-who-embraced-the-pirates-of-Cinemaphile/
Who?
Also
>virus link
have a nice day.
>This fricker doesn't know how to google
Well, shit. Yeah, I really hope they manage to turn that shit around then.
>Yeah, I really hope they manage to turn that shit around then.
I'm thinking about getting the Punk Mambo special coming out next week. It's pretty pricey, though. The last Punk Mambo series was shit, but they've got Peter Milligan writing her again so I have hope.
After DMG bought the company editorial direction went to shit. They had no idea what they were doing, and had just hoped to use Valiant as an IP farm for making superhero movies. The Bloodshot movie was a dismal failure, and by 2023 they were only publishing one miniseries.
They gave up on comics completely, and I thought it was over, but they've decided to try and salvage something from the purchase by farming out the comic rights to an independent publisher, Alien Books. Alien's now got a regular release schedule planned for most of 2024 with several titles. No ongoings, it's just one shots and minis. Let's see if they revive the brand or if it's just a flash in the pan.
>No, I just wasn't born a mutant freak.
Wait! Is scigay the same anon as that moron who used to complain about how it was impossible to learn how to draw because artistic talent is fixed at birth?
He must be. That would explain how they're both so damn stubbornly insistent that everyone is on the same level intellectually as them.
Fricking Pubypie taught himself how to draw. Just do it. Or, since you're already a waste of life/piece of shit, use AI.
You never wanted good comic books, because you don't know what they look like. What you actually want is a scapegoat for your general anger and misery produced by your sensory processing disorders.
Now that I think about it, I think the industry is already giving you exactly what you want.
Sounds like a you problem to me, loser. Maybe put on some Bob Ross sometime to fill the void in your life.
No, that what you actually want to see in comic books literally doesn't exist. You have no specifics on what you actually want to see, so you've no idea if what you want even is out there. So why should anyone listen to what you have to say when you yourself stated that you legitimately wouldn't be pleased with anything even if you miraculously realized what you even wanted?
>Yeah, I'll just do that with all those resources I don't have
Line paper and pencils cost like five bucks at worst, probably a bit more if you grab some markers or crayons. Fricking Chris-Chan can do that, and the dude has a legitimate mental condition.
There's a new one coming. Valiant are trying to do a big relaunch at the minute after DMG driving the company into the dirt for the last two years. No idea if it will be any good.
amusing you keep trying to gotcha the moron
I like talking about comics I like, and I have time to fill before work and the mods inevitably delete this thread, I'm not really losing anything here
well thanks anyways
scigay threads always have books to read in them
So, a different question. Why do homosexual Black person mods allow him and like a dozen of other schizo morons shit up the board?
Probably revenge for telling them their favorite webtoons suck and aren't Cinemaphile
>trying to have a quiet afternoon at home
>there's a knock at the door
>answer it
>it's the industry, a loaded shotgun pointed at my face
>quickly try to slam the door in its face, but it gets a foot in before I can manage, then throws all the weight of its Hollywood licences against the door, knocking me back on my arse
>try to scramble to my feet, but it's too late, the gun barrel is leveled right at me
>freeze, too scared to move, as a floppy its dropped on my chest
>its a three-decade old LoSH comic
>"read it"
>mfw
gotta love this moron I always come out of threads with more stuff to read
>"Frick it, let's just destroy the entire storytelling engine on a whim."
Yeah, cause that worked out so well for Star Trek. This is the kind of moronic shit that publishers expect people to pay money for. Disgusting.
I cannot believe the audacity of this moron
Yeah, I don't know how Tony Stark keeps getting away with being a heinous piece of shit either.
>moron doesn't recognize a dismissive rhetorical question
Considering you refuse to admit you've been proven incorrect, I see no reason to pretend your words have value beyond poking fun at
>proven incorrect
By your shitty photoshop and trap link? Sure, dipshit.
>hours of trolling
its real menta illness luv
I've never really understood why this page in particular upsets so many anons. Is it a conservative thing? Outrage at the mention of abortion?
It's a crowning example off Mark Millar's edgelord bullshit.
I think it's because she's being literal in a way that makes you have to sit down and think how that would even be possible
I’ve had people try to force me to read capeshit because apparently reading stories from rejected hollywood hacks is better than doing anything else. Stop trying to convince me or anyone else to read these shitty failing babyish books.
Watching a simple capeshit movie or 2 is considered normal, but anything more than that is fricking moronic.
Most of the shit in this thread isn't superhero stuff, though. You're the only one obsessed with it.
Heck, I got one you could read that isn't. Slaine. It's Celtic warriors slicing each other's heads off, you can't go wrong with that.
>Slaine. It's Celtic warriors slicing each other's heads off, you can't go wrong with that.
Tell me more.
It's what it sounds like, the barbarian adventures of the celtic warrior known as Sláine mac Roth. Dude is basically a publisher friendly Cú Chulainn, dealing with people in his own celtic style of honor while dealing with his warrior and fomorian foes in the most gruesome manners possible. Dude even has the infamous warp spasm, which almost always makes Slaine look beyond fricking gruesome to try and even partially match the original version
>The first warp-spasm seized Cúchulainn, and made him into a monstrous thing, hideous and shapeless, unheard of. His shanks and his joints, every knuckle and angle and organ from head to foot, shook like a tree in the flood or a reed in the stream. His body made a furious twist inside his skin, so that his feet and shins switched to the rear and his heels and calves switched to the front... On his head the temple-sinews stretched to the nape of his neck, each mighty, immense, measureless knob as big as the head of a month-old child... he sucked one eye so deep into his head that a wild crane couldn't probe it onto his cheek out of the depths of his skull; the other eye fell out along his cheek. His mouth weirdly distorted: his cheek peeled back from his jaws until the gullet appeared, his lungs and his liver flapped in his mouth and throat, his lower jaw struck the upper a lion-killing blow, and fiery flakes large as a ram's fleece reached his mouth from his throat... The hair of his head twisted like the tangle of a red thornbush stuck in a gap; if a royal apple tree with all its kingly fruit were shaken above him, scarce an apple would reach the ground but each would be spiked on a bristle of his hair as it stood up on his scalp with rage.
So again, if you like celtic warriors slicing each other's heads off, you seriously can't go wrong
>barbarian adventures
So it's trash made by a closet case.
No need to be so anglophobic, anon
>Other genres basically don't exist in this space, and that fricking sucks.
Free market at work, should have bought other genres in the 1940s.
The CCA killed all the other genres.
Actually, don't make any rec threads at all.
You have yet to post anything worth reading.
>you have yet to post anything worth reading
i posted 9447 and 9467. see above
I'm not reading your rags, shill.
>someone's first comic book could be pretentious euroslop or creepy indie trash
for anyone who's not paying attention, that's OP replying, trolling at 1/10
>300+ posts
>The CCA killed all the other genres.
Flat out wrong, go take a look at what books were actually published in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. The market killed all other genres. Kids just wanted to read capes.
And those genres died out to the point of not existing in the modern era.
That would be shit, because superheroes are inherently garbage. Doesn't matter what other trappings you try to attach to them, vigilantes and superpowers automatically make for a terrible story.
if you don't like it then you don't have to read it. now leave the board.
>other genres basically don't exist in this space
moron, please stop bumping this thread. Don't give this homosexual any more attention.
Make a separate rec thread.
OP should be made an example of
He does this often because he gets guaranteed replies. Stop giving him that satisfaction. Let him rot.
>let him rot
i'm inclined to, but the opportunity for people to read recs and see how wrong OP is should be made an example of. this could be someone's first comic book
Make a rec thread.
You will have no effect on this moron. He's been at this for years.
>other genres don't exist in this space
I wondered why this thread had so many replies, but it's the sci-fi gay back again. Haven't seen him in a while. Did he run out of meds?
>stop bumping
too late
Please stop bumping. You're giving him EXACTLY what he wants.
What I want is to discuss potential ways to unfrick the comics industry. Apparently you do not share that desire.
medicalheroes. but good luck convincing any comic book companies to trend this
That's still capes. Some medical drama books cold be nice though.
imagine action AND medical drama AND philosophical arguments for being benevolent with silver surfer and beta ray bill. holy shit it would be so fricking good