>netflix killed its animation team, but keeps funding new anime
>now disney is investing more and more in anime properties and even manga
Why do these big companies not have confidence in western animation anymore?
>netflix killed its animation team, but keeps funding new anime
>now disney is investing more and more in anime properties and even manga
Why do these big companies not have confidence in western animation anymore?
Didn't bleach got his anime cancelled and manga axed short time after because it starting sucking ass? Smart investment.
Btw, you are a homosexual, OP. you know why. Just letting you know that.
None of what you said is true
Bleach does suck
Decades of anti-merit activity in the industry among other reasons. You can take one look at Japanese animation and tell they obviously care much more about animating
>t. Frustrated La employee or student
And dying like a wet fart with nobody caring aside from the occasional thing. Next comes a frustrated reply
I'm a glorious neet that only jerk offs and draws all day and sometimes does oddjobs not to starve thank you very much.
American animation only die off if America does moron, doesn't matter about who cares or not.
not defending calarts but gumball doesn't deserve to be in the pic considering all the different art styles they use in the show
>Didn't bleach got his anime cancelled and manga axed short time after because it starting sucking ass?
shame that doesn't happen to comics enough.
Yeah, kinda. Manga industry works so well because it's purely a meritocracy. If it sells it fricking sells so of course they have more financial success. Here we have comics that sell thousands of copies still being published for god knows why. I mean, I know why, everyone here knows why.
The only problem I see is that a lot of times you have good stories that are unconventional or just unpopular that end too quickly so most mangas end on wet farts. But hey, it fricking sells.
Manga.
>"this isn't selling, you got this amount of issues to wrap it up."
Comics
>"Your comic sold like bottled piss. you'll be in charge of this run instead now."
>>"this isn't selling, you got this amount of issues to wrap it up."
>he doesn't see anything wrong with dispensable shit purely created to drive up sales
All media is dispensable, trying to turn media into forever-brands is why American media is as fricked up as it is.
Yeah, it's not like Dragon Ball is still being published to this very day and One Piece is about to premiere its one thousandth episode.
moron.
Damn, 2 properties, this is totally comparable to
>Almost every Marvel character ever created
>Almost every DC character ever created
>Star Wars
>Jurassic Park
>Top Gun
>The Predator
>Rocky
>Toy Story
being milked for all eternity.
>Damn, 2 properties
2 properties that make insane amounts of money and are nowhere near their end. One Piece has been going on for almost 20 years now, and they still haven't found the fricking One Piece. You'd be shitting your parents in laughter if cape comics functioned the same way, but they don't. Most runs are self-contained, most can be retconned in favor of better stories, and so on. Seethe harder, weeb.
>One Piece has been going on for almost 20 years now, and they still haven't found the fricking One Piece.
And?
Fricking Cerebus ran for 30 fricking years, as has Usagi Yojimbo, what the frick point are you even trying to make here?
Crying about American media and their "forever-brands" (only weebs could interpret 80 years of popularity as a negative lol) while your show about silly pirates is old enough to try a beer is hilarious.
>Crying about American media and their "forever-brands"
But that's the difference.
I know that One Piece will eventually fricking end, just like Cerebus did.
Batman and Superman will never end, just continue to be dragged further and further through the muck by hacks.
>know that One Piece will eventually fricking end
lmao it could keep going if some editor leans on Oda hard enough. A spin-off is almost definitely guaranteed. In the meantime, there has been so much useless media, merchandise and shovelware video games inspired by One Piece that pretending it's an indie darling compared to, say, Cerebus is a stupid notion that isn't even worth debunking.
who's pretending its indie?
here's the fun thing about manga, you don't need to be an indie creator to write a story thats not connected to BIG BRAND
> there has been so much useless media, merchandise and shovelware video games inspired by One Piece
Are you saying this while trying to defend fricking comic book heroes my dude?
>concedes manga is the same as comic books
Oops!
That's not even close to what I was saying though, I don't get how you can to say "OP can continue if some guy picks it up" as if that's the same thing as the fact that we have 100 years of capeshit that's literally never EVER going to end. If OP POTENTIALLY having stuff in the future is bad to you, how the frick can you digest capeshit?
>"OP can continue if some guy picks it up"
I never said that. I said Oda could be pushed into writing more OP if he's pressed to do it, and he could easily approve some other writer to take up a spin-off series like DBS. Hardly a controversial statement.
Yes, okay, but that's just a possibility that very likely won't happen, versus the inevitability of new Spiderman and new Batman long after we're dead and gone. Why is a spinoff for OP bad but a never ending cycle of reboots and rewrites and revivals and movies and toys and merch for 100 year old characters fine?
>but that's just a possibility that very likely won't happen
Come on, man.
Answer the question.
A One Piece spin-off is definitely going to happen.
thats not the norm for japan, its the norm for america
cuz those characters will always default to status quo ater a 6 issue (minimum) run. meanwhile OP won't get a new creative direction until Oda fricking dies.
>meanwhile OP won't get a new creative direction until Oda fricking dies.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
When I read a story I just want the creator's direction, I don't want to read some shit written by some random chucklefrick who didn't create the story or the setting.
If I wanted that I'd just go read a fricking fanfic.
If I want something different from what One Piece is, I can just go read something else.
>You say that like it's a bad thing.
I wouldn't know since I don't read OP. not like I need to anyway.
go actually ask in Cinemaphile to rank the arcs. I doubt you'll get anything close to universal praise.
>I doubt you'll get anything close to universal praise.
Okay?
That's true for pretty much any piece of media.
I also don't read OP (or much shonen manga to begin with), but when I'm reading a manga or a comic I like presumably it's because I like what the creator(s) has created, so I want to see THEIR vision for THEIR work, not someone else's.
And you think this is a good thing? You realize the endless amount of reboots and recycled characters are the exact reason why people don't read comics anymore right? Maybe, just maybe, people actually like having a consistent creative direction for their story instead of hoping this random no-name can maybe tell a half decent story.
>And you think this is a good thing?
Did you enjoy being stuck on Wano for literal years because Oda had to give the anime people time to animate filler?
if i don't like one piece there's still other stories being made that aren't in one piece's universe or its genre
western comics? very very rare
>if i don't like one piece there's still other stories being made that aren't in one piece's universe or its genre
Every manga is about high school, fighting and/or stunted romance. That's it.
thats wrong but okay dude
Death note?
it's fricking dead it's not shonen.
actually, it ended
like good stories do
>Story had a conclusion, therefore it's bad!
Do braintlets really?
yeah I bet nobody at shueisha wished it was more of a cashcow like a certain endless pirate comic.
sure but they're looking for new cashcows is whats important
But it ran on SHONEN Jump
High school, fighting and stunted romance.
Right, I forget some of you genuinely believe watching cute girls doing cute things is something adult men should do to own the libs.
okay scitzo
>cute girls doing cute things
I can tell that you've never watched or read Girls' Last Tour, it's more of a depressing adventure story than anything else.
>it's more of a depressing adventure story
lmao this is like describing The Owl House as an action cartoon.
Not really, which is why I can tell that you've never read or watched it.
The depressing nature of GLT is literally the entire point of it.
>The depressing nature of GLT is literally the entire point of it.
lmao
Anon, stop talking about shit you clearly know nothing about.
Weird, Girl's Last Tour isn't about any of those things.
If I don't like One Piece I have a near limitless selection of genres and settings to pick from. If I was into western comics my options would be 70 year old Capeshit A and 70 year old Capeshit B.
>I have a near limitless selection of genres and settings to pick from
How many of them are good? How many of them even went as far as chapter six before getting unceremoniously axed so One Piece could have yet another chapter where nothing happens?
>How many of them even went as far as chapter six before getting unceremoniously axed so One Piece could have yet another chapter where nothing happens?
Most of them aren't run in the same magazine as One Piece, so presumably quite a few.
Death Note is literally shonen and was published in the same magazine as One Piece, the frick are you talking about?
>Most of them aren't run in the same magazine as One Piece
So presumably they're not even being checked by One Piece's readership, thereby contradicting the idiotic notion that a shonen fan could just quit OP and move on to "near limitless selection of genres and settings to pick from". Frick, they may not even be reading the same magazine.
>So presumably they're not even being checked by One Piece's readership, thereby contradicting the idiotic notion that a shonen fan could just quit OP and move on to "near limitless selection of genres and settings to pick from".
Anon, are you moronic?
Shonen is just a demographic, there is no one who's JUST a fan of shonen and wouldn't read anything else, if there's something aimed at another demographic in a genre they like executed in a way they enjoy, chances are they'll read that too.
Also, there are more shonen magazines than just Jump.
>Shonen is just a demographic
Biggest weeb cope of them all.
>You pick up a manga, you read two or three chapters to see if you like it
This is an easy thing to do when you pirate manga. What about buying it?
>Biggest weeb cope of them all.
Are you moronic?
Do you not even know what shonen means?
>Do you not even know what shonen means?
I've seen you people do this song and dance so many times it's tiresome.
That just tells me that you've been a moron for so long that you can't understand a simple concept like demographics.
>how DARE you imply this demographic-specific titles share common traits???
Every time.
Please explain the similarities between You Will Hear the Voices of the Dead, Chainsaw Man, and If the Saotome Sisters Did it For Manga.
I'll wait.
>the author of the best selling manga in the world is a fricking slave
Anon, Oda has more money than everyone on this website combined will ever see in their lifetime, what the frick are you talking about?
>he gets paid tho
>Works extremely hard
>Is extremely wealthy
>This is somehow slavery because...???
This is a moronic point to try and make, just stop.
Shonen means young boy.
Consequently shonen manga means manga for young boys.
Similarly shojo manga means manga for young girls.
And then you have seinen manga which means manga for adults.
>How many of them are good?
I don't know if I can speak for the whole of an entire medium but I'd say manga, on average, has more going on than capeshit. Show me the western equivalent to Dungeon Meshi, for example.
>How many of them even went as far as chapter six before getting unceremoniously axed so One Piece could have yet another chapter where nothing happens?
What the frick? There's so much manga out there, dude. I like how you're so mindbroken by DC/Marvel you think all manga is only owned by SJ. Almost like comics are the ones getting kneecapped and rebooted over and over.
>There's so much manga out there, dude
Yes, but how much of it is actually read on average basis? How much of it have YOU read that isn't specifically limited to the action/adventure genre?
>Yes, but how much of it is actually read on average basis? How much of it have YOU read that isn't specifically limited to the action/adventure genre?
i assure you more than american comics
I can find people on this board who cherish Western titles known only because they were on a shelf once.
If we're looking at sales numbers I'd say more people are into manga than comics but I'm the wrong person to ask on hard numbers.
>How much of it have YOU read that isn't specifically limited to the action/adventure genre?
Weird question, but I really like reading short 4koma romance manga like Mousou Telepathy. I'm not gonna tell you every manga I've ever read.
>I'm not gonna tell you every manga I've ever read.
That's how insipid the medium is.
Sounds more like you don't have an argument, here's the thing, I don't need to read every manga ever to prove a point, manga's a massive medium with all kinds of stories, from standard shonen, to dumbass isakei harem shit, to slice of life romance stories, to sports, comedy, mystery and horror, if you can think it, you can probably find it. That's leaps and bounds better than Western comics who are trapped in the shackles of ancient characters in a never ending cycle of getting rebooted, doomed to shitty 5 issue stories that are then thrown on a pile to be forgotten.
I feel bad for you man, imagine being a slave to corpo owned capes and defending them online while seeing a wealth of new shit and turning your nose up at it because...One Piece is bad to you?
>yeah, lots of genres, now let's go back to reading the big thing.
I've never read One Piece.
>assuming every weeb reads One Piece
and every comic is capeshit apparently
loop-de-loop
how many comics does Marvel have that aren't superheroes?
that's a stupid question to make since Marvel is entirely a superhero comic company. go read Sandman, Lost Girls and try to not get too filtered by the scaaaary social commentary.
Shonen Jump doesn't release only battle shonen, why can't marvel release more than superheroes?
>also pretends Sandman is some kind of obscure comic few people have read
Why is it that you gays always recommend 30+ year old stories?
Have neither Marvel or DC published ANYTHING of value since the early 90s?
And if so, why would you consider yourself a "fan" of these companies?
And Manga has produced so many amazing comics such as Akira and um...um....um...
so Dragon Ball is not worth reading despite being 30+ years old?
>and every comic is capeshit apparently
the american ones yes
They pretty much do.
Mostly the normies.
Anon, One Piece isn't even a top 10 seller in most countries outside of France and Japan.
In America it's barely in the top 20.
>the big thing
It's not "one big thing" anon, it's a constant flow of new content.
Fall 2022 alone will feature 65 anime shows.
https://myanimelist.net/anime/season/2022/fall
how many of those will be worth shit tho?
the entire anime/manga industry is just a bigger version of Batman and DC and look how that shit is doing.
>how many of those will be worth shit tho?
To whom?
Not all of those shows are directed at you or me. The anime industry doesn't try to appeal to everyone like Marvel or DC is doing.
Sure it does, that's the whole point in anime. The characters are blank slates anyone can self insert into unlike Marvel and DC who have actual characters who will be remembered for generations.
because the movies
not because the comics
Keep coping trannies
>will be remembered for generations
People don't forget about characters.
Goku, Naruto, Luffy, people will know these characters until they die. That's just how it is.
And people read a lot more manga than they do American comics. "Comic characters" are primarily identified with their movie counterparts.
No people will remember that there was a Dragonball cartoon maybe but they wont remember the name Goku, Naruto is just the generic anime name people use to make fun of the genre so sure and Luffy probably wont be remembered but One Piece will be known as that long running Manga.
These guys are primarily known for their cartoon counterparts running alongside Spongebob though
and everyone is gonna remember Spider-Man was white
Marvel and DC characters will be remembered because corporations will keep pushing them, it has nothing to do with actual story quality. Shit, most of Marvel's superheroes were literal whos for decades till the MCU rolled around with its tons and tons of cash to force them into the spotlight, that's a far cry away from something like Dragon Ball or Chainsaw Man or Mob Psycho 100 that got huge because it was actually good and unique.
Like, legit, do you think normalgays gave a shit about Iron Man or Dr. Strange till the MCU said they should care? No one even buys comics anymore, those characters are movie characters more than anything.
I guess anime doesn't matter either since it's not the source material. eh, true scotsman?
Lots of anime serves to get people to read the manga though, the primary example being the recent Demon Slayer which btfo comic sales thanks in part to the anime. Almost like telling a consistent story through multiple mediums helps a series' identity better than rebooting every 6 issues.
But Deadpool was more read than Demon Slayer that year even though it wasn't a brand new consistent story starting from the beginning and it didn't even have the most popular cartoon to help boost it. So how do you explain that?
>read manga
lol no it's just merch that trannies put on their shelves after watching the show. Zoomers can't read
Didn't deadpool get a movie
>Didn't Deadpool get a movie
kek this fricking board.
Manga is quantifiably and measurably better than American comics. Sales show that one manga (Demon Slayer) outsold the entire American comic industry in 2020, and the popularity of manga has skyrocketed since then.
But still you have homosexuals like this puts their head in the sand and refuse to acknowledge facts.
I'm surprised some of these people even got internet with how outdated their reasoning is.
Yes and Deadpool was more read than Demon Slayer which was the point
That's a lie.
Research showed that Demon Slayer outsold the entire American Comic Book Industry in 2020.
Deadpool Samurai was still read more moron
>Deadpool Samurai was still read more moron
Demon Slayer sold more copies than the entire American Comic Industry Combined. That's Marvel + DC + Image + Boom + ...
Deadpool is one Marvel title.
Also Deadpool doesn't even have a current on-going title.
If Deadpool sold 1% as well as Demon Slayer he'll not only have an on going title he'd be ranked the #1 best selling comic each month.
No, it wasn't.
Stop talking out of your ass and moving the goalposts, Deadpool was read more was the only point. Stop seething so hard
You've been trying to make this a meme for like a year now anon, it's never going to stick.
Trannies please it's literally just a fact and it's a manga so I don't know why you are so fricking mad. It has nothing to do with what yous are trying to prove, it's just goes back to your original point about Demon Slayer being well read because it starts at the start of the story, which clearly isn't a factor is Deadpool going on Holiday is read more. I don't see what sales have to do with it.
I'm not trying to fight you, like a normal sane comics fan I read comics from any country
>It was written in the comic so it's a fact.
I guess you believe in IRL superpowers too, huh?
Well your mental gymnastics are borderline superhuman. As I have said Deadpool's manga was well read even though it's not a brand new story in a brand new universe starting at number 1. Maybe manga is just trendy at the moment?
>Hyperbole
>No sales number
>Date changed from 2020 to 2021
...Jesus
Stop acting obtuse
Bring out the sales data and we can talk. Because I'm not buying some sensationalist bleedingcool article at face value. I want to see the numbers.
>Deadpool is the best selling comic because he says so in the comic.
>The meta-sales research doesn't count!
Are Marveltroons this moronic?
The meta-data analysis from the NDP Group proves this wrong.
And it doesn't even make sense because Deadpool was cancelled due to low sales. He doesn't even have an on-going comic.
>But Deadpool was more read than Demon Slayer that year
Deadpool wasn't even more read than smut manga like Kobayashi's Dragon Maid.
more people know what Deadpool is.
Also false, most people probably couldn't even tell the difference between Deadpool and Deathstroke.
who;s deathstroke
Will Smith played him in Suicide Squad I think.
My grandma had one of those
You're an idiot.
Is this a serious post?
You're an actual goddamn idiot if you think any world wild big two superhero with a hit movie is less popular than some shitty throwaway popular for a small amount of time shounen.
Riddle me this.
Why are those movies shit and anime good?
Depends on the movies and anime, I'm not a generalizing moron. Anime can be amazing like Satoshi Kon films and also shit like throwaway light novel shows, comic films can be awesome like Sin City and shit like X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Come on you're adult stop acting like one thing better than other..
Now if you named dropped a classic like DBZ it's believe but Demon Slayer isn't and most likely never be a classic.
>4 old video premiering during MCU's height.
>vs cherry-picked 10 month old video for Demon Slayer.
Getting desperate?
>getting so desperate you need to pull up videos parents put on their ipads to babysit their kids
Bros, Baby Shark is better than all modern media put together!
I didn't show it's better just proof Deadpool more popular like you're legit moronic, if you think Demon Slayer more popular. What next you gonna say Chainsaw Man more popular than fricking BATMAN?
See
Deadpool still more popular, no 50 year old dads gonna be wearing Demon Slayer, Grandma gonna buy 8 year old Johnny a DP figure no Demon Slayer.
Like anon said, you are beyond delusional.
>White trash at Wall Mart wears Deadpool shirts!
You're embarrassing yourself dude.
How? not different from this just DP more popular.
The debate ended here
You lost. Get over yourself.
You're fricking delusional mate. You need to get off CBR or whatever echo-chambers you're locked in at because it has obviously warped your perception of reality.
And it's only going to get worse because manga is still growing in popularity.
I love anime but no doubt in my mind capeshit more popular even if it's not the comics kek.
Let's stop cherry-picking, shall we?
Boom. End of debate.
>their comics are so shit they need to talk about their movies
The absolute state of comicgays
>shounengays gotta come to Cinemaphile cuz Cinemaphile doesn't want them.
>also hates US shit but doesn't realize manga only exist cuz of westaboos.
Your medium is objectively inferior by any quantitative metric, stop being mad and get over it.
>Your medium is objectively inferior
they're the same medium.......
How...stupid....is this...board??
>Superman
Belongs in /lgbt/
>Gay manga exist.
Yes. I ignore it.
Superman is a gay comic. You don't ignore it.
Conclusion. You're gay.
Superboy*
Those are no name tittles only read by fujoshis , a niche genre not read by a lot of people , superman is mainstrain super hero known all over the world and has multiple billion dolars in movie and merchandising profit , making a gay is a bigger deal and shame than another boys love manga
I feel like this highlights the core difference between manga and comics.
If someone wants to make a gay manga, they just make a gay manga, there are enough manga readers looking for new stuff for someone who makes a gay comic to have a sizable audience to appeal to.
But for western comics, no one is publishing anything except capeshit, indie comics are far and few between and those that exist are generally webcomics updating at a snail's pace. This means if someone in the west wants to have a gay story, their only real option is to use existing superhero characters for it, this is bad for a few reasons.
>people who don't want to read about gay characters now have less comics they want to read read
>people who do want to read about gay characters now have to somehow catch up on however many comics this gay character is in to have a basic grasp of what's going on
If you're into the gay character but don't want to wade through 1,000 reboots and serialization, or, worse, just don't like superheroes, you're not gonna read the gay comic, leaving only people who don't wanna ready said gay comic...not reading the comic. Everyone loses here.
>I'm moronic.
>Adults Only
Uhhh.
Yeah, you too young for it?
I didn't think I'd need to specify the comics/manga in question were not porn, I guess comicgays are that desperate.
>adult only means porn
you really this stupid?
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Gay-Comix-Gay-Comics/Issue-3?id=134418#1
1. that art's ugly as shit
2. you're still missing the point, even if its not porn, the 'adults only' tag puts it in a totally different category than the stuff i'm talking about
Are you really gonna try to argue in western comic's favor in regards to adult focused content? Are you really sure you wanna open that can of worms, anon?
Gay stuff for children is exactly why anime has turned so many people into trannies
>ugly
How cuz people look like actual people and rough because on person and not a mainstream mangaka using uncredited assistants
It has too much detail so it hurts his quad digit mind.
>Maybe if I say they're desperate they'll stop replying to me and think I'm right
You're crying about anime on Cinemaphile. It already shows your single digit.
>have so little non-capeshit to choose from you have to dig back 40 years
So what does that say about
?
No cuz the art is dogshit.
>have so little non-capeshit to choose from you have to dig back 40 years
>Shows 100s of images of indie comics
NO IT'S ALL CAPESHIT NOOO AND IT DOESN'T SELL AS WELL AS MANGA REEE!!
>soulful black and white underground comic art
>shit
I'm glad comics are niche we don't want you cucks here anyways.
I accept your concession.
Based, imagine being that anon and thinking you're trolling only instead you're actually lashing out because you use Japanese cartoons as a crutch to make up for having no personality. They should label this as a new mental disorder and not lump it with autism, at least some autistic people have dignity.
Lol so Japan does turn men into pedos with anime and manga.
As opposed to gay stuff for children????
>1982
Better times for the comic industry, definitively
>distinguish between manga and comics throughout the entire debate
>lose the debate
>claim manga is comics
Sad doesn't even begin to describe it.
I wasn't, I just saying Deadpool more popular you tard.
And you were proven wrong here.
He's not gonna reply to it dude, comicgay just ignore anything that doesn't fit their argument.
You're legit moronic, I'm sorry.
>Ignores the evidence.
>Calls the opponent a moron.
Like clockwork.
This just proves shounentards are worst Cinemaphile fans. Read some actual manga worth a damn and watch some good anime.
It's the same medium. There is a reason good manga like Berserk and Akira or Yoshihiro Tatsumi's stuff end up in the lists of the greatest comics
Manga got bad when it became more homogenized, the outside influences are what made manga great, too bad comics suck now too.
Lot of classic anime/manga really have great western influences.
I bet you not even 1% of Americans know Deadpool's identity.
And manga is just part of a cartoon pipeline, western companies are still making some classic comics that will be remembered as great for years. Manga is just making more of the same crap, none of the modern stuff ever enters any list of great comics so don't give me that quality story crap. Manga is just trendy because of cartoons, no other reason.
>western companies are still making some classic comics that will be remembered as great for years
The fact mangatards thing it's laughable that someone could write a good comic is really telling
>The characters are blank slates anyone can self insert
This is not true at all.
Protagonists tend to be a bit more neutral, for instance Deku being a nerd, a hard-worker and having a heart of gold. But most people's favorite character isn't Deku. He's just the protagonist, but characters like Bakugo or Shoto are a lot more characterized.
And that's just Shonen.
>just like how they keep making Batman movies
All Manga are the exact same with some surface level changes though. Also there is a reason 99% of the greatest comics of all time come from the west and so few from the east even with their huge output and all the money coming in
i'm trans btw
Most anime fans are you don't need to say it, you aren't really special anymore
most western comic writers are trannies
So are you seriously telling me Berserk is the same as Doreamon? That XxxHolic is the same as Naruto? That Hellsing, or Elfen Lied or Baccano is the same as Chii's Sweet Home? Really?
Berserk is definitely more like a western comic than a japanese one but besides that yes
>dark souls is a wrpg
>All Manga are the exact same with some surface level changes though.
Tell me you don't read manga without telling me you don't read manga.
Your uninformed opinion is worthless anon.
I read more than you homosexual, nice non argument though
no thats an amazing plus.
there are so many great stories and new ones always being churned that nobody could even remember them all.
whereas comics just keep repeating the same characters and settings done by different hacks whom most of them know even less about their own stories then their fans themselves.
it leads to bad writing&characterization happening constantly.
it also creates a no stakes environment as readers gradually get desensitized to happenings as they know status quo is always on the horizon.
>don't think
>just consoom product
>get excited for next product
Great is a stretch, outside of Japan great comics are still being made. In Japan good slop for teens is being made, no "great" comics have came from japan in literally years even though the industry is booming
there was a manga about some mage.
it didn’t last very long and got abandoned but it was amazing it was full of constant twists amazing art and the mc even got temporarily genderbent legit and somehow became even more manlier and cool as women for a full arc with an awesome design all the characters were literal waifu material even the villains and the good guys were actually losing/being killed constantly.
in the end everyone died except mc.
there wasn’t any need for 3 hours of curse word swearing either it didn’t need to throw disgusting globohomosexual pop culture references to its readers every page either it was basically high fantasy story of an overpowered mage mc and the happenings going around himher.(one of the few times in fiction think they succeeded in making a mc appeal to both genders without having to push troony shit down our throats) pacing was amazing and the writer/author didn’t need to force us only to see the mc’s perspective alone entirely.
this was just one random story out of many.
finding something like that in modern comics is kinda impossible.
i will say the biggest disadvantage of how manga is created so often is that there’ll always be a shit ton of amazing stories that simply get abandoned.
>mage
There' a comic about a Mage, it's regular dude who gets thrown into a magical adventure with no dumb bullshit you bought up.
The comic wins.
it wasn’t some generic cookie cutter isekai or one with dragon quest fantasy system.
definetly felt really unique can’t even give it a specific name.
there was some parts of dungeons and dragons,ultima,and the constant death/killing parts of wuxia mixed in.
lots of the waifu characters straight up got killed in the early chapters.
some who were also really OP(not that much but think 3+ tiers above) got outsmarted and died idiotically to some contrived villain schemes.
definetly felt like the bad guys were actually competent in this manga for once.
thats probably why i still remember it.
seriously i can’t remember its name but the mc was in some sort fantasy world full of demons,elves,etc.
and most of the story happened around a magic academy/mercenary school or something i think.
mc wasn’t some ordinary mage but a full blown wizard and wizards are basically none existent in this setting being the scariest entities in the setting.
the entire plot revolved around this evil mage organization that was seeking either mc indirectly or something can’t really remember tbh.
turned out mc was actually part of the evil organization or an ex member it seems.
Soul eater?
nah it wasn’t mainstream crap.
actually now that i think about it was definitely more in the style of characters like Lina Inverse from Slayers.
definitely had a similar art style.
as opposed to holding a bag for over 1000+ chapters or forever because the author when on yet another hiatusXhiatus or fricking died.
>How many of them are good?
It's up to taste.
You pick up a manga, you read two or three chapters to see if you like it. If you don't you drop it and move to the next.
Alternatively you start watching the anime and pick up the manga where the anime ends.
or maybe people don't want to read over 100+ chapters and watch 999 tv show episodes.
Good thing there's more to manga than one piece, can't say the same about capeshit.
>One Pace edits
>space up the reading by arcs.
doesn't need to be hard.
>need edits to catch up on OP
tell you what anon. I'll watch One Piece Kai when it airs 80 years from now.
>One Piece Kai
The sad part is I know toei will make this as soon as the anime ends
>dude just speedwatch it lmao
>watching edits that match the manga's pace is "speedwatching"
Tell you what Black person. No skin off my dick if you do or don't, but just saying it's manageable.
if you like something you want more of it
the funny thing is, you think One Piece and major Shonen stuff are the only things that exist
There's so much manga that's tailor-made for different audiences and made by new and old writers alike
>The funny thing is, weebs think only Batman and Superman are the only things that exist
yeah there's other capes, and also subversive capes, archie, comics based off your favorite 80s cartoon, and the rare new ip that is in no way the norm
Allow me to point you to the post that started this whole argument:
The one that literally started by bragging about how comics don't need "saving" because capeshit movies and merchandise are really popular.
>(only weebs could interpret 80 years of popularity as a negative lol)
those mangas that go on for 20+ years are still written by or given blessings by the original creator
Bill Finger doesn't know what's going on in Batman, Bill Finger is dead
Also if those forever brands are so popular how come the books don't sell?
Bill Finger visited the set of Batman in 1989, dumb fricking weeb. He knew what was going on.
One Piece is closer to ending than any of the ___man comics
laugh it up b***h. One Piece will eventually end while you'll be wishing Batman & Spider-Man did as hack writers will drag their asses to hell for the next decades to come.
>spends 20 years reading a series
>"dude at least it will end"
If the idea is to "embarrass" comic books fans by implying they're wasting their lives reading 12-issue mini series, you're going about it wrong way.
its still the original writer
Who cares? The manga barely resembles what it used to be.
I'm not buying your shitty manga, Oda. Enjoy being a slave for the rest of your days.
>writer makes a story he wants
>he must be a slave!
>makes his assistants draw 60% of every chapter
>"he loves his work!"
40% of a weekly release is more than 100% work for a monthly release.
>a month of carefully planned storytelling
vs
>oh this week oda had a flu so its just characters making silly faces lol
>a month of carefully planned storytelling
>Comics.
>oh you love your story? it's not selling so too bad it's fricking over because we say so motherfricker
literal slavery
write a better story loser
sounds like mangakas need to unionize.
those comics will only end in the 2200s when they finally go to the public domain
the thing is there's a balance of new work, derivative work, and evergreen ips
American comics are either, capes, "subversive capes" or some hack's pretentious vanity product
You aren't actually getting people who want to make something good
>>"this isn't selling, you got this amount of issues to wrap it up."
Imagine if they did the same to every american comic.
>"this isn't selling, you got this amount of issues to wrap it up."
The only example I could think of in regards to this happening in comics was with The Unbelievable Gwenpool, which made the fact the book was getting cancelled a plot-point
When the original Doom Patrol was cancelled Drake had all his heroes died a heroic death.
The manga industry is way more cutthroat compared to comics, if your series doesn’t have a decent readership or make enough volume sales, it’s dead.
manga industry is a real industry
american comics only exist to preserve IPs
And thats a good thing, imagine if every comic full of alphabet shit gets axed.
too bad the comics industry has more respect for creators and their stories than the manga industry.
>too bad the comics industry has more respect for creators and their stories than the manga industry.
yeah thats exactly why Alan Moore is getting royalties for Watchman
Alan Moore hates Watchmen so I doubt he cares anymore.
yeah he's happy about all that lost money for his creation
>It's a good thing bad performing comics are getting cancelled.
And that's why you only have bad comics now.
Only anime because it caught up with the manga, the manga was because Kubo got the Japanese flu, so he rushed it because of his fear of dying without his manga complete.
>Only anime because it caught up with the manga
Thats not why the anime was cancelled, it had piss poor ratings. Also, the bleach manga was cratering in Weekly Shonen Jump which is why it was cut down.
The anime ended because it had more filler content than actual manga content and because the the Final Blood War Arc had barely started and the studios had nothing to work with.
The anime and manga is widely popular in Japan and worldwide. People grew up watching Bleach on Toonami.
If it wasn't we wouldn't get this new arc.
Bleach's original run in WSJ was ended because it wasn't popular anymore. This is literal fact, it doesn't matter if its beloved amongst weebs if its not doing numbers they're going to can iit.
>This is literal fact,
The I suppose you can provide me with a literal source?
No? Didn't think so.
hehe disney fans drink bleach
>OH NO IT'S DYING
>Stuff keeps being made and coming out.
No east vs west shit tonight, frick off.
But why? Bleach sucks.
Number 1 carried the whole show
Manga are taking over the industry with passionate and creative writers coming up with new stories.
People want stories with relatable heroes, who are built up from the ground up, and who earn their reputation through heroic deeds and self-sacrifice. Not entitled Mary Sues who are born to be the best and who get praised by other heroes because of the color of their skin or their gender identity.
>Mary Sues who are born to be the best and who get praised by other heroes because of the color of their skin or their gender identity.
>Posts image of Deku.
>MHA
bro you could have used literally any pic for your argument but you choose motherfricking DEKU from MHA, an IP that is based around the idea you tried to counterargument as it's core
Was Deku not born without a superpower? Did he not have to work himself up and earn One For All?
Is Deku's literal motto not (pic rel).
No, it's not, is literally nepotism the character and his power has nothing to do with his hard work, he is just really strong by default different from a lot of other characters in the manga that are shown to have shitty powers they need learn how to make it usefull.
>he is just really strong by default
What? No he's not, he starts the series as a shitty wimp nerd and he spent 10 months training to handle OFA and then immediately completely fricked up his arm using it for the first time. Even if OFA is stronger than something like, I dunno, Hardening, it's not as if Deku got a free ride to first place, he worked just as hard as any of his peers to control OfA and is really only outshined by Mirio who just kinda completely fricks up the manga by existing with how cool he is.
By his power, dumbass. Being really strong is the entire point of the one for all so he can go against the all for one. Did you really didn't read the manga?
He is literally given the power because he knows some guy, he trains for 3 months tops and after that he can become the strongest hero against people who have been training and trying to learn their entire lives. How can you be this stupid? Is one of the weakest part of the entire manga and what ruins later chapters.
>Being really strong is the entire point of the one for all so he can go against the all for one
Right, yeah, but Deku wasn't that strong "by default", he had to work for it at great personal cost to him, did you forget?
> he trains for 3 months tops
10 months, this was explicit, did YOU read the manga?
>against people who have been training and trying to learn their entire lives
Most people didn't begin their hero training in earnest until landing at UA since they couldn't use their quirks outside of select areas legally, the only exceptions being people like Shotoooooooo or Iida who came from career hero families. Other people like Hawks or Jeanist still outperform Deku in most every category except raw power due to having more experience.
How can you claim someone hasn't read the manga when you don't even know what you're talking about?
The mangaka was setting things up to create a full vibrant world.
One of those things was Deku not being able to fully exploit his powers and keep it in his backpacker while he thought his way through stuff and made friends.
.
The wsj editors moronic push of the chosen one and disposable pushed to the moon power level shit killed a series that if approached and nurtured well could have had a bigger and longer lasting impact then one piece.
They only had to treat it like a sports series with some adventure stuff.
>Did he not have to work himself up and earn One For All?
You dont read the manga, do you? he pulled out 7 new quirks and learned to use them in a matter of chapters
The fact you chose MHA shows you have bad taste
So this is manga "art"? Things really went downhill since Akira
Take your pills, you demented old fart
SEETHING.
Wasn’t spider man the one to do that first or popularize that idea with superheroes? Or am I wrong.
Regardless, we haven’t had a real underdog shonen character since Goku lol.
Yes
You are wrong
Goku was at no point the under dog.
Gohan was though. Kind of why buu saga and ever db after the cell saga is nit anywhere near as popular with the s hounen friends.
Dbz Goku was an underdog and he still lost most of his 1v1 fights.
Goku finds out he’s from an enslaved alien race and his home planet is destroyed, not only that but he’s the weakest saiyan ever. Even his low class brother is 4x times stronger.
Goku lost to Raditz in a 1v1 and needed to sacrifice himself to save Gohan
Lost to Vegeta
Lost to Ginyu
Lost to A20
Lost to Cell
Lost to Buu and needed everyone’s power plus Buu depowered just to beat him.
>MHA
BAKUGO DIES
pic unrelated?
Obvious bait, and the MHA image confims it.
I'm surprised people didn't catch on to such obvious bait. Seriously, of all the anime protagonists he could've chosen, he choses fricking Deku to make his point.
>new Bleach movie on Disney+
Disney has good taste.
can't wait for the Bleach cinematic universe because that's totally gonna happen LOL
also frick ya OP
I hope we get to see Rukia's peach at least.
Bleach is about as popular as the entirety of DC comics despite the manga and anime ending years ago.
And Bleach is getting a new high-budget anime this October, so its popularity will likely skyrocket once again.
Let's not forget that Bleach was officially part of the Big 3 (One Piece, Naruto and Bleach).
DC/Marvel still more popular in extra media and merch though, so even without comics they beat Bleach out.
These are Google searches.
And Bleach has been dead for over 8 years.
So the fact that its popularity still rivals DC says a lot about the value of the brand. And considering it's creator owned they can probably get the rights cheap too.
I doubt it rivals DC as brand really at all, you know how many goddamn Batman shirts most likely sell? How many Superman underwear sell? like come on man.
>you know how many goddamn Batman shirts most likely sell? How many Superman underwear sell?
Honestly not as much as you'd think. Most of that shit is unlicensed.
Meanwhile the creator of One Piece could literally Scrooge McDuck swim in how much money all the licensed merch he's sold has got him.
The Marvel and DC brands are horribly mismanaged. Look at Disney suing to get Spider-Man removed off a kid's grave. You want to look at a moneymaking western comic empire, I refer you to Garfield.
You have to think of worldwide sales. Manga is doing better overseas than it does in America.
And it's not as simple as A vs B either.
Batman is a more valuable commercial brand (if we don't simply look at the comics) but it's also a lot more expensive and most stories have been told.
Bleach has the benefit of being largely unexplored. You have an entire world of spiritual creatures and societies, but very few stories.
>And Bleach has been dead for over 8 years.
It's also the name of a common household cleaning product.
You did this song and dance last night with Naruto.
no one googles "DC Comics" but people do google "Bleach". It's not a fair comparison.
>Bleach is about as popular as the entirety of DC comics
Uh...
BLEACH IS OFFICIALLY Cinemaphile
Hopefully Disney changes the direction of this show, because it's honestly pretty problematic.
>Why is Disney investigating in manga?!
Oh geeze, I don't know, could it because because it's conquer the market years ago and is almost tripling its sales yearly?
Kids these days don't give a shit about gay Superman or ghetto Spider-man.
>Kids these days don't give a shit about gay Superman or ghetto Spider-man.
THIS.
Honestly feels weird seeing Bleach on Disney+. It doesn’t feel Disney appropriate.
It will be fine. The Vandenreich is basically just the First Order.
I honestly do not believe whoever is handling anime on Disney+ has any supervision from the main corporation. That or they are not actually watching the shit they pick up and have no idea what it is like.
Summer Time Render is a Disney+ exclusive anime and it's easily the most violent thing airing in the last two seasons.
Disney+ literally had a show with a talking penis this year
>and it's easily the most violent thing airing in the last two seasons.
Think the isekai harem show can give it a run for its money. Surprisingly gory. But yeah Summer Time Render has people getting decapitated, dismembered, impaled, heads blown off by shotguns, domed by pistols, etc, and is really fanservicey to boot. Does not feel like something Disney would want anywhere near their precious family friendly brand.
I don't think you weebs know how broad the Disney brand is
More like you don't realize how picky they are. They refused to release Princess Mononoke under their Disney brand because of how violent and dark it was, they shunted it to Miramax instead, where they put their adult content. Summer Time Render is easily as violent and dark as Princess Mononoke, and is more fanservicy besides. There is no way the Disney corporation of the 1990s would have accepted something like this show anywhere near their brand.
Naruto Shippuden first aired on Disney way back.
I don't get why the west didn't just start making anime-lites, instead we just get more capeshit like anyone gives a shit. You'd think they'd see the success of shows like ATLA and go "hmm, maybe we can make big money off the 15-25 audience" but instead they just keep making shows with a Y-7 audience and another comic about 100 year old superheroes kids don't fricking care about.
ATLA is basically just anime.
And it's cheaper to just buy finished anime than to hire your own writers and animation team.
They tried, it was Korra, that thundercat show nobody gave a frick, some random ass he-man I doubt even here people remember it exists and a few others. it failed hard and scared off any other people from trying. Plus we don't really have the balls to go full anime, people are more interested in to shillings their pseudo political opinions using their shows for activism instead of doing some fanservice, not even pantyshots we get, is pretty lame.
>some random ass he-man I doubt even here people remember it exists and a few others.
The early 2000s one? Merch sales killed it.
he man and thunder cat had potential but failed because they destroyed the story and inserted too much western propaganda into it.
people escape to anime because its mostly non pozzed.
they won’t go into western anime lite as fervently as these corporations want unless they drop the western sjw propaganda nonsense out the door.
basically give customers what they want and stop appealing to people who won’t consume your products its that fricking simple.
make actual sex scenes,as much death/gore,drug usage and gore and handholding if needed and actually sexy designs to appeal to the coomers.
write serious stories if you want and make the waifu/cutiesy shows to appeal to young girls.
forcing BOTH puritanical values plus sjw propaganda at the same time is going to kill your industry.
They can't drop the culturally poisonous propaganda.
There is a litteral effort by seemingly unbelievably powerful and objectively evil people to push this in America. It's everywhere.
>I don't get why the west didn't just start making anime-lites
They did, but they don't really understand what people like about anime so half the time they just end up flopping.
I don't think America is capable of understanding what makes anime/manga popular, which is why I frankly don't want a bunch of western influence in anime, since they'll likely just frick it up.
>American writers: The characters need to have the same color of skin as the audience, they need to be as snotty and entitled as the audience, and they need to have diverse sexuality like the audience.
>Manga writers: Here's this crazy blue haired kid that hunts demons.
Don't forget
>American writers: The characters also need to speak like obnoxious morons who spend too much time on Twitter, that's what all the hip kids are into!
I hate how shallow manga is.
stop reading only shonen shit
>I hate how shallow manga is.
You can't argue with it's sales though.
for being cheap shit and vapid gateway trash. there's enough of them to clog shelves. comics don't need "saving" as long as their pop culture presence, merch and multimillion dollar movies exist and none of them are in any danger of going away. Marvel "died" in the 90's and got better and that was without Disney money to survive.
I love how anons here will make posts like this and will then get mad when you say that comics are almost entirely capeshit.
Kids don't want a philosophy lecture, they just want to see heroic action-packed animation.
Anime delivers on that front.
>Kids don't want a philosophy lecture
That's all anime is, besides two minutes of mildly impressive animation. Muh way of the ninja, muh king of the pirates, muh becoming a hero.
and that's why anime & manga sucks. it's entertainment for stupid kids and soft-brained adults
It's a commercial product anon. It's purpose is to sell and excite as many people as possible.
only mangas are since it automatically gets canned if sales tank
Nah, Japan has this great thing called magazine variety, so a less popular series will just run in a less popular magazine where the sales required to continue justifying its existence aren't as high as something published in Jump.
It's part of WHY there's so much manga that gets pumped out, because Jump isn't the only game in town.
>unpopular stories gets a quiet death but still churn out content
literal nightmare scenario
>Less popular stories enjoy varying levels of success in smaller, less popular magazines
FTFY
Everyone ain't gonna make it big with their story, that's the reality of media creation.
It's like trying to say that books are all shit because Twilight and ASoIAF are more popular than almost anything else on the market.
But cape shit is better right?
You're one of those "just turn your brain off" people huh? I bet you like SAO.
>You're one of those "just turn your brain off" people huh?
Yes, I enjoy the occasional popcorn flick because I have an intellectually exhausting job.
Read more then just shonen trash anon.
>implying all manga doesn't eventually default to shonen tropes
>i only read shonen shit so it must all be shonen shit
then read some Shoujo then you fickle c**t.
no thanks I actually value my time and intelligence
Pic related, (you)
Yet it sells
writers: Here's this crazy blue haired kid that hunts demons.
Manga writers are so based.
>Japanese web novel writers: The character needs to have the same color of skin as the audience, they need to be antisocial NEETs like the audience, and they need to be pedophiles like the audience.
No all Japanese manga characters are shitskins (Aka they are Japanese)
isn't that what Owl House is? an isekai with huge lore and a milf.
don't matter. manga is just comics for normalgays
there's a difference between the homosexuals and women who read manga and the pedos at Cinemaphile
>isn't that what Owl House is?
Uhhh, no.
Owl House is a cartoon done by someone who would be happier making something for the 15-25 demographic but is stuck making y-7 shit.
western animation it's in because animators unionized
anyone who was lower on the totem poll was shit
out of luck because companies outsourced instead of wanting to deal with further unionization
animators even applaud this for some stupid reason
comics are the way they are because distribution only being specialty stores and companies put all their eggs in generations-old IPs instead trying to actually look for real talent
> distribution only being specialty stores
what led to this? I remember seeing comics in my local grocery store/Walmart as a teen. I used to pick them up. Then they left permanently.
how old are you?
because the first answer is since the Comic Code Authority happen that meant you could only get kids and cape comics in stores and newstands and not horror and romance
that lasted for a generation and those readers grew up into adults still interested in the characters they grew up on. DC and Marvel realized this and started making their characters more mature in the 70s-80s but could only sell at LCSs. Turns out it was profitable and only got more profitable when adult consumers were also willing to put down big money for #1s, variant covers, and events
>western animation it's in because animators unionized
Oh, so the root of the issue is capitalism and corpos being cheap fricks as usual.
yeah but you gotta work around them or aim higher until the world changes
instead of just unionizing they should have pushed more for anti-outsourcing policies
>further unionization
Producers have a guild and so do VA's why not writers/artists? This will just turn more western artists into indy creators when everyone sees how the corpos treat their employees.
Owl House was created by a person who hated wannabe anime so of course the wannabe anime she creates doesn't appeal to most actual anime fans.
to be fair wannabee anime sucks ass
Sure but at least if a wannabee anime is made by someone who likes anime there's some kind of passion behind it. Like I'm not going to pretend amphibia is great but at least you can tell that Matt and his staff are fans of anime, like you can tell they're not just some 30 something white b***h catering to a demographic she barely cares about.
>he's an amphibia vs owl house poster
I'm using them as an example because it's the first thing that came to my mind. Same thing goes to shows like Avatar where it's clear the creators loved Asian cultures, I just used amphibia as an example because they're shows that came out at the same time on the same channel with a similar plot. Like I'm not going to pretend amphibia is amazing, it's fine, but I couldn't get though the first season of Owl House. I do get because of tribe shit comparing them is seen as bad form of whatever but all I'm saying from what I've seen Dana seems to really not to into anime and most of the stuff she watches is the most basic b***h 30 something "I watched toonami as a kid" shit possible while Matt and his gang actually references stuff that isn't surface level.
>while Matt and his gang actually references stuff that isn't surface level
Like how he basically made Rayearth with frogs, right down to the RGB schoolgirl trio's magical power ups?
They did, and most of it sucked
Both suck, Japanese media as a majority has to utilize the same cookie cutter tropes and art style unless if you actually have a great premise like One Piece that sold beyond a shit ton of books when it first came to print then you're out of luck from adventuring into creativity unless your book gets passed 100 volumes or more. Not to mention the writing is shit.
AMERICAN media is shit because all the golden age animators didn't passed down their knowledge onto the younger generation. Reason why the comic industry is full of cape shit is because in the 50's the Comic Book Authority was established and killed off any creativity that can be put into a comic.
The only country that understands comics is Europeans. Their books are a vary range of art styles from simplistic to highly detailed and their writing doesn't latch onto tropes hard. Heck they even made better Disney comics than the Disney in America. The whole whining thing that you see in this thread like is because they don't understand the history on why the media today is made that away.
>The only country that understands comics is Europeans.
I hate this board.
This board is so stupid, they don't know who someone Shinji Wada or Peter Bagge is..the lack of understanding on the medium is insane but funny.
>The only country that understands comics is Europeans.
Yes
Europe is not a country bros...
We're Americans.
We live in a confederation of nation states ruled by an Oligarchy of self made nobles.
The american corporation masquerade as a single country. We have been trained to see places like "europe" as extensions of the clearly superior us.
Europe is a country.
>Be wrong.
>Double down on it.
American moronation at its finest.
You're an idiot.
Giving context to their answer doesn't mean I'm saying they are correct or anything of the sort.
By the way.
When people say they've been to America they never specify state or town.
>The only country that understands is Europeans.
FTFY
>I don't get why the west didn't just start making anime-lites
Ice Queerdom must be bombing really hard if people are already starting to forget that RWBY exists
They did. Nobody wants to watch boring ass melodramatic wannabe anime shows like Thundercats and Korra. Cartoon fandom doesn't understand this because its filled with manchildren.
Thundercats 2011 was fricking KINO. The art style, characters, and writing were great, it's just that the series came out around the time when action cartoons were going down in terms of popularity because it was a time when a lot of the audiences started growing into older teens and stop watching TV so creators started making more comedy oriented shows aimed at the youngest demographic possible, that's why Teen Titans returned as full comedy show instead of being a mix of both action and humor like the original 2004 series was.
no it wasn’t even that.
the writing was just pure shit.
like it pissed off so many fans and you could see the feminism/sjw propaganda ozzing into the story.
it started off amazing and shit the bed fast.
it stopped even being thundercats.
the show was mired also with controversy after controversy.
there is still a clear under used market for shows like thundercats also doesn’t help its time slots were all over the place.
Avatar was actually funny, modern cartoons can't do funny.
Crossover when?
future of western animation is chinese or korean so i don't give a shit anymore
>self important western cartoonists try to unionize
>big companies outsource to cheaper alternatives
wow who could have seen this one coming
the future is heavy censorship? Just die already, America
Someone please save western animation and comics
Nah, let them die.
>shelfwarming
>be cashier
>look over to the weeb section
>some fat frick is breathing heavily as he spins very slowly
Retail must be so fun now that every moron thinks his phone's camera is hard journalism.
that guy is the least of a retail worker's problems
I didn't say it was a problem, I said it must be hilarious to see fat nerds waddle into the store to record shelves full of corporate merchandise.
>full of corporate merchandise.
Ironically, most manga are creator-owned, being a co-ownership between the creator(s) and the publisher.
In some cases (like with Hunter X Hunter) they're entirely creator-owned, since Togashi is a fricking wizard apparently and somehow managed to get a golden contract with Shueisha where he completely owns his manga.
>most manga are creator-owned
>being a co-ownership with a literal corporation
Weebs are so funny.
Can you explain how that's better than most western comics? If you're working on a Spider or Batman comic you own pretty much nothing, right?
>Can you explain how that's better than most western comics?
It's not, that's the point.
>How do you think contracts for "creator-owned" comics published by guys like Image work?
Same as manga, that's my fricking point.
Are weebs generally this fricking stupid?
>Same as manga, that's my fricking point.
And no one throws a b***hfit when you call comics published by Image creator-owned you fricking mongoloid.
Pretty much every widely-published piece of media is going to share ownership with whatever entity is publishing it.
>And no one throws a b***hfit when you call comics published by Image creator-owned you fricking mongoloid.
Yes, we do. Image is a fricking laughing stock, precisely because just about any moron can "co-own" their own coomer version of Little Red Riding Hood. It's not even worth discussing, barely anything good comes out of Image and nobody pretends otherwise.
>Yes, we do.
Oh cool, so if I go to a /croc/ thread in the archives it'll be full of people pitching a fit whenever an Image comic is posted?
I don't give a shit because I don't read Image, fricking moron. Coomers do.
I accept your concession.
>lmao it could keep going if some editor leans on Oda hard enough. A spin-off is almost definitely guaranteed.
Anon, if One Piece was going to get a spin-off it would've happened by now.
Oda's a fricking multimillionaire, he doesn't NEED to continue doing anything with One Piece once he's done with telling whatever story he wanted to tell.
you own the characters you make and you see royalties for comics you were apart of
Its why writers will typically introduce a bunch of characters in hopes someone will use them in the future but usually they're forgotten. Look at how many Young Avengers died off
Scott Snyder got pretty lucky that YJ actually remembered Harper Row
Oh, I didn't know that, thanks. I still feel like getting to make your own series from scratch is the better deal but its hard to deny the appeal of getting passive income sometime in the future if someone likes your character.
writers still fight over a random character introduced in a comic for 1 issue
comic writers for Marvel/DC get to own the original characters they make? i thought they didn't. so Bendis owns Miles Morales?
Uhh, are you moronic?
How do you think contracts for "creator-owned" comics published by guys like Image work?
Or contracts for "creator-owned" books published by small publishers work?
That's not how the manga industry works.
The manga industry is like our novel industry. The publisher signs for exclusive publication rights, but all the copyrights still belongs to the original artist.
I thought the company was the one that owns the rights to the manga, like if it gets axed the creator can’t use any of the characters or make his own continuation, right?
The company owns publishing rights.
The creators own the characters and setting.
It's why the creator of Tsugumomo is able to draw official doujin and porn of his characters getting fricked and advertise them on his pixiv page.
>weebs are fatties
>t.
>vertical video
The day they bring back hot sexualized female characters with coomer outfits in comics will be the day I start buying comics again
Why? Kill it. Consider it mercy.
Literally start selling comic books in grocery stores like they use to be.
homie.
Name one comic released in the last 20 years that would get kids to read. Better yet wouldn't end with parents and adults picking it up getting violently angry and it ending with the IP being irrevocably damaged.
You do realize the Manga section is filled with "Western manga" right? Theres a fricking RWBY book right in the video
>Why do these big companies not have confidence in western animation anymore?
Japs do it for far cheaper.
americans are so fricking delusional
I'd be quite happy if Disney shipped more production jobs for original cartoons to Japan. But I don't want Disney investing in adaptations of existing manga. Western money comes with Western mandates, and I hope that industry is smart enough not to chase it, and remain vibrant enough to never need it.
can nichojou and madoka magica finally get a mexican dub?
>muh manga and anime is shit
unironically agree so please STOP copying them I beg you
please create your own artstyles without anime/manga influences
no more half-ass anime wannabe shit pls
>comics shouldn't be all capes
>oh but actual non cape comics aren't worth discussing
coward.
Demon Slayer came out six years
what western story made six years ago got half as popular
>Demon Slayer
Oh yeah, that happened: the anime.
what the frick is that?
Frick, they will censor it
A bit unrelated, but does anyone remember when Naruto Shippuden was on Disney XD?
OP will saunter back to Cinemaphile to spam this very thread before b***hing about feminism destroying anime somehow. Everyone here is fake. Nothing is real.
Then you should have a nice day, now!
the funny thing is i want american comics to be better, this scitzo worships brands mindlessly
Hope my MCU and Star bros will watch Bleach with me on Disney+ 🙂
This is good.
One of the problems with anime is that it has been Crunchyroll exclusive for some time. So in order to have access to anime you already need to be a subscriber to it.
With Amazon airing Bleach it will bring in new fans.
manga defenders just make the whole industry look so much worse. the author of the best selling manga in the world is a fricking slave who in turn enslaves his readers and the less popular titles are not even worth being filler in the main magazine.
but hey frick creators, let's be entitled b***hes.
>Be Kubo Tite
>Write a Bleach in 10 years
>Accumulate a net worth of $55 million
>But manga artists are overworked!
Who gives a shit? They chose the profession and they can quit at any time. They do what they do because they love it.
>they can quit at any time
I doubt they would. where would the assistants go, the anime staff goes hungry and THE DISHONOR!
I'm not saying japanese cuture is a huge guilt trip but...
what point are you trying to make
But it is?
LMAO manga taking over the West on all fronts.
Americans are about to get a mouth full of Genghis dick and their main concern is that they're afraid they'll like it.
>The Nike logo will be remembered hundreds of years from now and is therefore my favorite character.
Imagine being so moronic that you're reasoning like this.
Most people agree that Superman is boring too.
And now most people think he's a gay (which is technically correct).
Yeah Nike is good storytelling because it sells more and is made in Asia
Oh boy another east vs west thread showing stupid both Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile are on the mediums.
Disneybros, first we won the streaming wars and now we won anime. What's Next?
Vidya
>people act like this is a new thing for Disney
Remember when they had Naruto for a number of years and then gave up on it?
Bleach will just be a Disney plus exclusive while it's in it popular period again and then get shafted by Disney later.
This is what they always do with anime.
I just wanna know if they'll censor anything on Disney plus.
Aldo sucks because now we won't get like nearly same day translations either.
I see people all the time in Deadpool shirts and hats, never seen anyone in Demon Slayer clothes.
Kingdom Hearts anime when
It's fricking sad to see Marveltroons getting so desperate that they have to compare the MCU to manga because their comics ain't shit.
These are the same people who will complain about how the MCU ruins everything.
The hypocrisy is convenient, isn't it?
It looks like Netflix is going to be purchased by Microsoft.
Is Bleach gonna get a world in Kingom Hearts now?
Marveltroons are fricking pathetic.
They lost on comics, they lose on animation, they lose on videogames, and they immediately jump to "brand recognition" as if it means anything.
By this logic the Michelin Man is a better character than Hamlet.
Humbly concede and take the L and save the remainder of your dignity.
Both suck in their own ways and the only people that love to whine about it like some twitter gay are the people who can't grasp the concept that two nations have a different business and cultural structures that have affected their media.
No shit American media is declining since America is multicultural and different political views which is why Hollywood is run by israelites who only hire leftist gays unless if you hide your power level like Chris Pratt then you have no chance to ever have a career.
Japan doesn't have israelites so they don't face the challenges Americans face when it comes to it but does anyone want to do anything about it, noooo they rather whine and cry about it online.
Sooner or later Anime and Manga will get the israelite.
>Both suck in their own ways and the only people that love to whine about it like some twitter gay are the people who can't grasp the concept that two nations have a different business and cultural structures that have affected their media.
>No shit American media is declining since America is multicultural and different political views which is why Hollywood is run by israelites who only hire leftist gays unless if you hide your power level like Chris Pratt then you have no chance to ever have a career.
>Japan doesn't have israelites so they don't face the challenges Americans face when it comes to it but does anyone want to do anything about it, noooo they rather whine and cry about it online.
>Sooner or later Anime and Manga will get the israelite.
Based anon. Why isn't this discussed more openly?
How Disney+' viewers will react to Matsumoto bust?
what's the big "gotcha" when Marvel characters, no, all superhero characters, have been more popular and profitable across all forms of media for over 90+ years worldwide (without Disney and WB) and will still be 90 years from now.
the comic didn't sell as much as the movie? big whoop.
I always thought that even with the names, katanas and japanese houses in soul society, Bleach was more western-leaning than its contemporaries so it might make for an interesting western adaptation than isn't a netflix shoestring production. things would change, yes. but thats because sometimes all the source material wouldn't translate well to a 2hr movie like characters getting abandoned or the pacing sucking.
not that it matters since Disney is just going to distribute the new movie. I just wish everyone else would share the same enthusiam and respect for adapting nerdshit as Fiege and the MCU do.
Bleach is literally set in Tokyo. While Naruto and One Piece are set in fantasy worlds.
they can change it to fricking Kansas if they feel like it. nothing about where Ichigo lives matters to the story. shinigami being samurai? that's a subversion, baby.
subversion of what?
of grim reapers. whatever the japanese version is, it's not a midget samurai girl with ice powers.
Okay.
I was thinking of subversion in the cheap hacky"just do the opposite" American way.
Not the litteral way.
Japan doesn't have a Grim Reaper concept.
Shinigami are just spirits guiding people to the afterlife.
Shinigami (死神, literally "death god") are gods or supernatural spirits that invite humans toward death in certain aspects of Japanese religion and culture. Shinigami have been described as monsters, helpers, and creatures of darkness. Shinigami are used for tales and religions in Japanese culture.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinigami
>Shinigami are just spirits guiding people to the afterlife.
That's literally what the grim reaper is. It's called a psychopomp
>Bleach was more western-leaning than its contemporaries
Literally what the frick did he mean by this? The show where the main character is explicitly a Japanese person living in Japan, and goes to the Japanese afterlife, where even in the English dub every third word is some Japanese name or terminology, is "more western" than the cartoon pirate show with tons of direct references to western culture and media?
>The Pirate World feels more like Japan than Japan does.
Kek
I think he's just used to American Comics being set in the real world and Manga being set in fantasy worlds.
Which is moronic because there's thousands of manga set in the real world, far more than fantasy worlds in fact.
why is the soul reaper world a medieval japan pastiche but it's still called soul society?? shut up.
Hueco Mundo is basically Mexico.
Nice. I'll finally be able to recommend Bleach to my coworkers. Some of them have Disney+
So Bleach is just getting streamed on Disney+, right? The whole anime takeover by Disney/the West is just schizoshit, correct?
Yes.
Crunchyroll will also stream it.
I'm guessing Disney wants to try out the waters for anime to see how it compares with their own animated shows.
>If Bleach is successful, Disney might just genocide their animation department.
Uh oh, Cinemaphilebros. Let's hope this fails.
Bleach is going to be popular with kids because it has "cool looking" art, is fairly flashy, plus it's animated by Studio Pierrot.
We'll know in 2 months when it comes out.
>More cheap to buy anime than produce your own animation
>People get more and more interested in the cheap stuff
Damn, I wonder why
People are more interested in the "cheap stuff" because it's better.
Its not pushing homosexualry, misandry, low key racism and Satanism.
>Noooooooooo! Why won't people buy our stories centered around complex issues like gender dysphoria and systematic oppression by the patriarchy.
Beat it Amanda.
do you ever notice that Cinemaphile doesn't have nearly any east vs west threads they just have threads about anime and manga
There are mods on Cinemaphile
Becaus Cinemaphile tend to post 50 times more where the less talked shit gets filtered out much faster like Cinemaphile VS Cinemaphile threads
They have content to discuss and don't have the ingrained social baggage western Co stuff does
Good.
Bleach is amazing.
Better than any American comic.
>I don't read comics or manga
If you like Bleach you’re literally underage
How did this thread become the 4th most replied to thread in /co in 5 hours
Forgot picture
first time here or what
No, it's just that it wasn't here yesterday. So when I woke up there was a new thread that was dunking on threads that have been around for days.
It's not even Cinemaphile related....
content
it's not Industry shills and queers pimping the lifestyle so it gets more clicks
Because homosexual posted it when mods were alsleep
Finally kids gonna get some quality animation.
This thread has 100+ more posts on Cinemaphile than Cinemaphile, why?
Trust me mangabros, you don't want the Mouse to get his claws into manga.
>takes out all the shit pacing and gets more popular
sounds good
>Cinemaphile claims Marvel and DC are more popular than manga
>Cinemaphile gets a manga thread
>manga thread shits on all DC and Marvel threads
>seething weebs reply a lot
>poster count still low
Yeah get shit on
This is literally Cinemaphile moron. Also the poster count is like half of those other threads
>superheros have been woke since the 60s
>still here
go broke when
I fricking hate the fact that the most popular anime and manga "genre" in the west is shounen (manga and anime aimed at literally 13 year old Japanese boys). Most shounen series always put me to sleep because of the fact that 88% of them is always just brainless action scenes with no substance and the story, plot, and dialogue are as minimal as possible. Back in the 2000s when all the kids in my neighborhood were watching Bleach and Naruto and screaming with excitement like they were watching some sort of live sports championship, at that time I was that "weirdo kid" who didn't find it interesting at all and instead I just watched series that focused on actual plot, dialogue, and characters aimed at older audiences like Darker Than Black, Jigoku Shojo, Ergo Proxy, Welcome To N.H.K, Wolf's Rain, Eureka Seven, Ghost In The Shell S.A.C, ect ect.
It still angers me to this day that out of all the incredibly interesting stories and genres most "normies" in the west only care about this one action-paked one aimed at young Japanese boys, and those people never try to wider their horizons and try new different series and genres. It's like people who always only watch capeshit all the time and never bother to watch different genres of films from different decades.
You're not special
And half of your list is basic.
Because mature manga simply isn't that good. At best it's just shonen with more violence and at worst it's just a boring soap opera with talking head syndrome.
People would rather read a real book or watch a movie or something rather than 100 chapters of garbage.
....
Lot of "mature" books are bad AND boring as well.
And Monster is considered mature and is seen as brilliant.
>Because mature manga simply isn't that good
Yeah, I'm sure that (you) are an expert on the topic and that you read/watched thousands of different seinen series instead of just like 6 most popular ones and got filtered by half of them.
>People would rather read a real book or watch a movie or something rather than 100 chapters of garbage
Then why do they watch all those garbage shounen series all the time?
>GiTS for the umpteeth time
Find me a mature manga well written as some of the old Vertigo, Epic and Dark Horse published titles.....bet you can't.
The greatest mangas of all time according to anime fans Attack on Titan and Demon Slayer checkmate chudcel
I have literally seen zero hype for AoT’s final episodes next year ever since the mango ended
It has the second highest episode rating on the entirety of IMDB, first one is an American live action show but it’s universally considered the best anime/manga of all time
>IMDB
now I know for sure you’re a child
It’s not my opinion, it’s the opinion of the anime community as a whole and the general public
Best western work is widely considered to be any theatrical short or golden age product. Anime’s greatest work is considered AOT
>Y: The Last Man
>Preacher
>The Losers
>Well-written
To answer your question, Blame!, Planetes, anything by Jiro Matsumoto besides maybe Alice in Hell, Dorohedoro, Chi no Wadachi, Isaak, Made in Abyss, Spirit Circle, Eden: It's an Endless World.
Based. Educate all of those homosexuals on seinen KINO
I said well written.
And he gave you a good answer. Stop being obtuse before I bring up sales numbers.
All I see is bunch of throwaway forgetful manga
>(Gets proven wrong)
>Gets mad
Many such cases...
I still don’t see anything as well written as Doom Patrol,Grendel or Marshall law
That's because you haven't read them.
You're being a moron and you're embarrassing yourself with your antics.
Oh wow such complex manga writing of here a character being throw in a story and just stating the obvious wow such great writing
Dude...you asked for manga. And when someone indulged you you dismissed them calling them all bad.
No arguments or reasons, nothing. And then you have the gall to expect to be taken seriously.
You're a shill and a clown.
I been an anime fan before you where most likely born and I know just by quick flip though what manga and anime shit or not and those are pretty obvious, weebs standards gotten so low it’s sad
See
>See
No.
Stop talking to him. He got so mad that he got btfo and he's just basically shitposting now in order to cope.
You’re on Cinemaphile we talk about comics, cry about it mangagay
>You’re on Cinemaphile we talk about comics, cry about it mangagay
Says the dude in the anime thread with the highest reply count on Cinemaphile.
This is a Cinemaphile thread not Cinemaphile go to your own board
This specific thread is about both western comics AND Japanese manga
Not Cinemaphile
Now that's an uber-cope.
>but it’s not even bad enough to acknowledge.
You're really only helping to prove that comic readers have no standards.
Bleach (which this thread is about) shits on all of those books.
Literally everything written by Inio Asano. Specially Oyasumi Punpun.
Solonan was ok but Holograph sucked ass
Even as a western chad you can't sleep on Akira, it's so good it's basically a comic book
Chainsaw Man is one of the very few shounens that I quite like even tho it's also really lacking in terms of characterization and plot IMO. I like to think that it's the start of the trend of making at least a little more original and dark series with an edgier aesthetic and tone. Power best girl.
Blame Toonami, WB, and Fox for making americans see anime as shounenshit and magical girls
Why would I blame them?
More and more people get exposed to the fact that there are a lot more mature themed anime with great animation and writing.
Eventually the truth will come out.
Because anime fans in america largely still only give attention to the most generic shonen crap. Im surprised SpyxFamily is actually getting popular here.
an encyclopedic knowledge of continuity hasn't been a requirement for like... never. if you're reading 60's material, it's by choice, it's not required reading.
Then why aren't comics as popular as manga in the US?
cheap paper and novelty.
the characters are popular worldwide but the actual medium has never been a big seller.
I've spent the last few months just browsing random new releases on RCO, and honestly, it's because most modern American comics are shit.
Generally speaking the breakdown is as follows:
>50% capeshit
>20% boring generic shit that really shouldn't have been made that ends up getting canned after 6 issues
>15% unreadable dogshit written by what I can only assume are borderline invalids
>14% licenseshit written for an audience I'm not sure exists
>1% decent comics
If you're someone who didn't grow up reading comics, most American comic writing is going to drive you up a fricking wall, I swear to god, 80% of these comics feel like they desperately want to ape Joss Whedon's writing style.
It honestly ends up being a painful fricking slog most of the time.
>I don't read comics.
>browsing
>not reading
Browsing = reading my moronic friend
Hence why I'm aware of the fricking awful dialogue in most of these comics.
Post some then?
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/There-s-Something-Wrong-With-Patrick-Todd
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Parker-Girls
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/The-Deadliest-Bouquet
Just a few examples.
They suffer heavily from fricking terrible character writing and dialogue, ESPECIALLY The Deadliest Bouquet.
Parker Girls seems fine like most Moore work.
The Deadliest Bouquet feels throwaway.
There's Something Wrong With Patrick Todd just moves plot along.
I've seen worst in both comics and manga, these aren't nothing.
>Parker Girls seems fine like most Moore work.
If you have low standards, sure. The dialogue is also pretty bad, maybe not unreadable (by comic standards) but it's certainly not good.
>The Deadliest Bouquet feels throwaway.
The word you're looking for is "trash."
It’s no worst than any shit you hear on TV show or he’ll even an anime, quit crying. Like not good but it’s not even bad enough to acknowledge.
>make post when most Amerifats are asleep
>become a giant cancer tumor
you had your shit fun, now frick off
Disney is investing in manga and anime because people actually watch them, but it's only a matter of time until they get pozzed by western influence and people move to fricking manhwa which is already happening
Last comment for deadpool
Yes…… truuuuuuullllllyyyyy The Mouse is toooootttttaaaallllly gonna stop investing in literal backbone of their company cause Summertime Rrading is tooooootallllyy a hit on their service except you actually wouldn’t know that cause it’s still region locked
Characters in manga are almost all reaction based with few personality traits to make them stand out, rarely you get inside a manga character head and know them inside and out as people vs US stuff like it’s extremely funny something like Hey Arnold has more complex characters than an anime series in high school because in Arnold you know the characters inside and out as people vs the anime you just know like the random personality traits they’re given and how they react to stuff. I think this has a lot to do with how Japan in the US are at countries where the US is very open when it comes to people people are not closed off like they in Japan and characters reflect that.
American comic books fail.
Disney looks to manga.
Business as usual.
western animation and comics haven't been relevant in ages outside of capeshit movies. I can count the number of truly good western comics on two hands and they include things like The Sandman, Swamp Thing, The Dark Knight Returns, etc. 99.9999999999% of comics are absolutely not worth the paper they're printed on. 99.99999% of western animation is some scam just to get shitty animators paid. Anime and manga has a much better track record, I'd say only 99.99% is trash.
Most comics suck no matter what country they’re from tbh.
And you can count the only good eastern comics with one hand even if you are missing some fingers what is your point?
Yeah, no one gives a shit about capeshit anymore. Manga is the next big thing.
Manga is capeshit
Is this real? Bleach is not exactly kid friendly, I've seen PG-13 movies being censored in Disney Channel but this is way beyond that.
There’s no real credible source anywhere, op is likely the same one who was shitposting on Cinemaphile same op pic as well
What? You're telling me that incinerating someone down to the bone isn't kid friendly enough?
As Nodt can be a bit creepy too I guess.
Also, wasn't the troony Quincy's whole thing blood?
I was way out of Bleach when they started introducing the Quincy's club. It had a great point to leave the story and I took it.
>Old Man Genocide
Only reason to watch the show tbh
Firewall won't let me visit the site.
Provide an official source please.
That is the official source, I deleted it because its a hard ask for someone to read a site in japanese so I just gave you the youtube video that cites the data.
Who's your favorite Bleach girl and why?
The one and only.
>144 cm
>33 kg
Conceptualize.
Rukia is the only right answer everything else is poor taste.
>Not using original art.
ngmi
I want to hug a cat
Only hot black girl imo.
Being Ichigo must be so hard
Shounen manga = Japanese capeshit. Change my mind
Not all shounen are action based. But yes crap like MHA and Demon Slayer are just weeb capeshit
>This reached bump limit
Meanwhile Cinemaphile jannies deletes threads like these on sight. Why can't Cinemaphile jannies do the same?
>Not one mention of Rangiku
This thread hit the bump limit and now it's getting archived.
Not a mod in sight.