Rewatched this recently. It's a mess, but a fun mess. There's a moment where the Godzilla suit rapidly changes 3 times because of stock footage, it was comical
It's got one of the best human plots and some of the best original miniature footage in the series. The low shots of Gigan's foot going through a street and just decimating cars are really cool and unique. Plus the big fight is fairly dynamic despite relying on Ghidoarah yet again. Granted the stock footage is tedious but it's still fun. I rank it pretty high for Showa. Also love the gore effects which I think were clearly inspired by the Gamera films of the time
Eh might be nostalgia but I like Gigan's look. I had a bandai america Gigan figure that I always played with. Although I remember when final wars came out and being blown away at the new Gigan design. Definitely got 10 year old me going.
Off the top of my head. Probably a few I could switch around/rank lower but I was feeling generous and I love Godzilla.
They're not ranked inside the tiers.
I didn't hate Shin but I wasn't really into it. I considered putting it in B, but I thought the CG looked pretty iffy at times and the pacing in the latter half was slow. I do like all the films in C, Godzilla 2014 is the only one I ranked that I'm really meh on. Has a few decent moments but I didn't really like it.
Ebirah is great, one of the more underrated entries imo. One of the best human casts.
I've never talked to anyone who didn't like Shin who wasn't a total moron. I'm glad it exists so people can out themselves as morons and I can immediately disregard their gibbering.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>being a weeb homosexual that enjoys trash makes me the smart one
3 months ago
Anonymous
What if you thought Shin was just ok?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Then you're fine.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Shin is literally a college art project with a cgi budget. It is infantile. It's a joke. What the FRICK do you see in it? It's not deep. The criticisms are a joke. It's nothing.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I know for a fact that you've been told many times why people enjoy Shin Godzilla and the only criticisms I ever see are:
>human talking is boring >Godzilla looks too different
Those are literally the only criticisms, so it's clear the fanbase is divide into people who can appreciate a film that takes artistic risks (and succeeds) and morons who just want the same thing over and over again. Frick off.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Thank you for not answering my question you fricking imbecile.
Here's why it's bad: >cast and crew reused from previous project, not selected specifically to work on this film >it is a criticism of disaster response and bureaucracy, and the "criticism" is silly jokes about how dumb politicians are >no original roar, shin godzilla doesn't feel like it's own thing >reusing ancient sound effects is extremely lazy and done for convenience while "fans" cope by pretending it's an artistic choice >pointless segments to jerk off the reused cast, like the english speaking scenes >"new blood is effective and old blood is dumb" is the dumbest libshit take ever >too much humor overall and it takes away ALL tension and danger
This was sold to us as a serious horror film, and it could've done that while tackling how slow and shitty bureaucracy is, but they got an absolute worthless nepotistic jackass to make it and he completely destroyed what COULD'VE been a great film.
Now answer the fricking question, WHY do you like this steaming pile of SHIT
3 months ago
Anonymous
>cast and crew reused from previous project, not selected specifically to work on this film
Irrelevant
>it is a criticism of disaster response and bureaucracy, and the "criticism" is silly jokes about how dumb politicians are
That's how satire/comedy works
>no original roar, shin godzilla doesn't feel like it's own thing
The monster's design visually distinct enough that only autists care about this
>reusing ancient sound effects is extremely lazy and done for convenience while "fans" cope by pretending it's an artistic choice
Opinion
>pointless segments to jerk off the reused cast, like the english speaking scenes
I agree with you on this
>"new blood is effective and old blood is dumb" is the dumbest libshit take ever
Opinion, and also a dumbass opinion because it's a valid criticism of the government's response to an actual disaster
>too much humor overall and it takes away ALL tension and danger
Opinion
I enjoyed the movie because it works as a satire of the bureaucracy that stalled the response to the 2011 Earthquake. The only major flaws I see are the horrible miscasting of the American character, and it drags too much in the second half.
not that guy but i'll weigh in on this. I hate the Legendary movies. They're awful garbage for morons. But GvK is at least fun, and the spectacle of it all is its only appeal. I guess Skull Island is similar but it's just so dumb and boring I can't get over it. But GvK kept me entertained and unlike the others didn't feel brutally long. That said, it's not good. The only way to enjoy it is if you can get over how moronic it goes. Or laugh at how moronic it is. Weird to think of a movie with such a huge budget as so bad it's good but it's literally so dumb it's funny. That said, I truly dislike the film on a personal level because Godzilla is usurped as the "protagonist." Like Kong ends up saving him. If you want to make a King Kong movie then just do it, don't pretend Godzilla is the lead monster. Sham advertising similar to how 2014 ad campaign implied Godzilla was a horrifying monster and a mystery to the world, but nope, turns out he's earth's protector and everyone who matters knows about him, fricking even gets revealed in the opening credits, so our lead humans spend like 2 hours uncovering shit the audience already knows but not in a fun way like Columbo. I hate these movies man
GvK is the only Legendary movie that I thought seemed tightly edited and in the spirit of the classic movies. The other ones all feel like they just let the directors write their rough drafts and then make the movies with no constructive criticism. G2014 was just Edwards doing the "muh Jaws" bullshit and trying to ape Spielberg. KSI was a showcase of big-name actors with some kind of half-assed plot to justify why they're intec. KotM was a fanboy movie trying to cram in as many memberberries as they could with way too many named characters and a nonsensical plot. GvK was the only one that seemed like it had some actual thought and characterization put behind it.
I kind of agree (especially wholeheartedly about the other films), in that GvK is more cohesive than the others in terms of the editing and direction. But the story itself still feels slapped together and I maintain my previous criticisms in that first post. Skarsgard certainly helps but even he is given very little to work with from the script. Not to beat a dead horse but look at how simple and pure Minus One is compared to how needlessly complex and "grand" any of the Legendary movies are. I'll be interested to see Toho make a Godzilla movie with another monster in it (provided they maintain the same quality and care that they have shown with Shin and -1) just to compare, because so far the American attempts are incredibly juvenile in every way
I agree but the Legendary series and Reiwa series from Toho are clearly aiming at different audiences. Legendary wants 13-year-old boys, while Toho is letting auteurs make their dream Godzilla movies since Godzilla is an icon in Japan that appeals to the adult demographic.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're correct but the Legendary movies started out aiming at adults. 2014 is clearly meant to be a serious movie but it fricked it up cause it's moronic. Then they embraced how moronic it was and doubled down and that's why finally GvK was at least fun, but obvi not good. GxK is looking to up the moronation and the trashness so while I will probably see it theaters I have no semblance of hope for it to be good. I mentioned somewhere earlier in the thread that I'd be interested to see Toho do a Godzilla vs [insert monster] type movie given what they've done lately. Because with Shin and Minus One, while they appeal to grownups, they're using the basic structure of the first one. How can you make a conventionally "good" Godzilla move with him fighting another monster? Obviously Godzilla works best as an adversarial character for dramatic purposes. So other than Mechagodzilla or super X there's no one really for him to fight and still be the bad guy. Anything else would be a return to the childish Godzilla that we grew up with watching the showa and even most heisei movies. I hope someone can overcome that challenge, because it would be amazing to see Godzilla fight another monster in this day and age. If they keep it up, Goji movies will be too samey cause he just wrecks shit and gets defeated over and over again.
Yeah start with 1954. I'll give you the order I did when I started watching, I think it worked out well and it was based on advice I got here >godzilla 1954 >godzilla raids again (this one is divisive so you can skip it if you want, but i like it and it sets up the next movies >king kong vs godzilla (i watched king kong 1933 before this but it's not required) >mothra >mothra vs godzilla >ghidorah, the three headed monster >invasion of astro-monster >ebirah horror of the deep >the return of godzilla (this is a different era than the previous ones, only 1954 is canon) >godzilla vs biollante (sequel to return of godzilla) >godzilla 2000 (not connected to either of the previous eras >godzilla against mechagodzilla (also not connected)
After that you can just pick whatever Godzilla/Toho kaiju movies you haven't seen that look good, but the first two eras (Showa and Heisei) have continuity so it's better to watch them in order for the full experience.
The 1954 original is the ideal starting point. For me, the 5 "must watch" Godzilla movies for newbies are:
>Godzilla (1954) >Mothra vs Godzilla (1964) >Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla (1974) >Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack (2001) >Godzilla Minus One (2023)
Shin Godzilla is also one of the best in the franchise, but it is an extremely different take on the character.
>Start with the first one?
For sure. You're going to get a lot of advice on viewing order but it's all going to be useless because, like I already said, everyone ends up liking different things. One warning I will give you if you decide to go in release order is that the second film Godzilla Raids Again was rushed out quick to capitalize on the success of the first and it's pretty bad so don't get discouraged if you hate it lol. Watch whatever you want. If you get into it you will end up watching them all. My personal favorite for breaking in virgins is Godzlla:2000 Millenium because I think it hits a sweet spot for serious/silly and it's modern enough that people who haven't watched many older movies don't get filtered. Enjoy the ride!
>everyone ends up liking different things >that the second film Godzilla Raids Again was rushed out quick to capitalize on the success of the first and it's pretty bad
Proof that everyone has different tastes, I like Raids Again.
Definitely not as kino as the first movie but I still liked it, which made me even more eager to watch the rest of the series. I can see how somebody wouldn't be as into it though.
I was surprised by a lot of the reception online after I watched it. It's more of a cheesy 50s monster movie than the original but I enjoyed that, and I thought it did a good job at capturing the somber and kinda creepy feel of the original. The scene where Godzilla emerges from the water is a good example, the blackout scene is also great.
It also introduced one of the greatest kaijus ever.
Just start with the first one and watch them in release order. The second movie is kind of weak, but after that it becomes kino again. If you really want to get into it, then you'll have to watch the other 50's and 60's movies from Toho that introduce the "sidekick" monsters like Mothra, Rodan, Manda, Gorosaurus, etc. Despite its reputation for being campy, the Godzilla franchise has a lot of fun movies, and only a few that could legitimately be considered "bad."
i might've seen it in color again but minus color fricked that up
it's gay meme shit but i guess toho wants to get all the yen out of it they can before i pirate it kek
I missed the original run, but happened to catch the B&W run right before it ended because it was mentioned here.
I look forward to seeing it the normal way when I get the home release, but I’m kind of glad I saw it in black and white first. I loved every second of the movie. The only thing I think may have suffered for it was G’s CGI looked more uncanny and fake, but considering he’s been a man in a rubber suit for most of his lifetime I wasn’t truly bothered by it.
I'm watching the Heisei movies for the first time so far for me they rank
GvKG>Biolante>Return of Godzilla>Godzilla vs Mothra
which saddens me because I really like the original Mothra, Mothra vs Godzilla, and Rebirth of Mothra. Biolante has a great premise, design, atmosphere, and special effects but I don't really feel like they pulled off the actual story that well and the two fights werent thaat great. Godzilla vs King Ghidorah makes no sense if you think about the time travel but that didn''t really bother me
The mediocre fights plague a lot of Heisei, but I do like vs Mothra because >the mothra formula is just always fun to me >battra is cool and the moment when he teams up with mothra is great >the divorced couple are a bit more memorable than some of the other heisei human characters
Maybe I need to rewatch it someday but I frickin hated the way the monsters were shot in 2014, ruined the movie for me. I want to see Godzilla.
the way the monster were shot is the best part
actual scale and interactions with the environment
you see Goji in 2014 about as much as all other godzilla movies, and when you see him he looks great
best atomic breath in the entire canon, and MUTOs are charming
>you see Goji in 2014 about as much as all other godzilla movies, and when you see him he looks great
No and no. Every time Godzilla is about to be on screen it cuts away. 99% of what you see of him in the movie is something sticking out while the rest of Goji is off-frame. It was irritating.
I want to actually see Godzilla. The whole guy, not just his tail. Webm is an example of what I want.
2014 is excellent and you're a gay
shin sucks, also
>kills off the most compelling character less than half an hour into the film >actual protagonist is boring and has no charisma >Godzilla isn't the main threat or even the focus of his own movie >cuts away from the monster action TWICE
But the atomic breath scene made idiots clap like seals therefore it's the best.
>sense of scale
I always see people bring this up but it's never been something I've cared about. I'm not watching to see how big the monsters are compared to buildings, I'm watching to see them do cool shit.
The only remotely "cool" thing he does is kill knockoff Cloverfield after you've had to sit through an entire film of nothing but boredom and Kickass being sad.
>kills off the most compelling character less than half an hour into the film >actual protagonist is boring and has no charisma >Godzilla isn't the main threat or even the focus of his own movie >cuts away from the monster action TWICE
But the atomic breath scene made idiots clap like seals therefore it's the best.
>most compelling character >BrEaKinG BaD MaN sO c00l!
kek reddit homosexuals are apparently who doesn't like 2014
the themes of 2014 are great and the human story delivers them well
not dissimilar from minus one, actually
3 months ago
Anonymous
The human story is a generic snoozefest. One of the worst in the series.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>One of the worst in the series
K E K
E E E
K E K
3 months ago
Anonymous
>BrEaKinG BaD MaN sO c00l!
Yes, let's replace this character with personal stakes in the monster drama with a boring milquetoast grunt. This was a terrible idea even before a single character was even cast.
>the themes of 2014 are great and the human story delivers them well >Hurr, balance of nature. So deep lol.
Put down the crack pipe, anon.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>balance of nature
KEK
that is not a theme of the movie
holy shit your takes are garbage
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, it absolutely is a major theme of the movie. I'm surprised you didn't notice because since you're so keen to gargle 2014's balls.
3 months ago
Anonymous
no, it isn't
not any more than every single godzilla movie could be said to have that theme, which is really a perversion of the message of 54
196053470 >scared
yes, you're doing nothing by not properly replying to me besides making the thread uglier
3 months ago
Anonymous
>no, it isn't
"The arrogance of man is thinking nature is in our control and not the other way around..."
They basically stop short of looking directly at the camera to tell you that it is indeed the theme of the movie. Good fricking God how can you be so fricking moronic?
If that isn't the theme of the movie, then what the frick do you even think the movie is about?
3 months ago
Anonymous
already stated, homosexual
nice reddit spacing
3 months ago
Anonymous
Way to dodge the question. That's because you obviously don't have an answer and don't know what the frick you're talking about.
3 months ago
Anonymous
i didnt dodge the question, you illiterate homosexual
i already stated it here
>barely any Godzilla at all
but it does
and it does a good job of making the MUTOs interesting and charming
and the passing on of duty and trying to right wrongs story of the humans is compelling
also, shin is gay and sucks
196053886
kek that shit looks so embarrassing
>not a single aspect of it is better >better godzilla scenes (still kinda meh because the cgi is spotty and he stops moving halfway through) >better human story (characters aren't that memorable but it's better than 2014) >better godzilla design (for a one-off movie)
>shin lovers can't even greentext right
KEK
3 months ago
Anonymous
>shin lovers can't even greentext right
I was just using the memes arrows to make a list, and it's hilarious you're calling me a "Shin Lover" when half my post was criticizing Shin.
moron.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>memes arrows
*meme arrows
I'm frickin up today bros.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>passing on of duty and trying to right wrongs story of the humans
You actually think that's what the movie was about? That's fricking rich. Where the frick is any of that addressed in the movie? Also, try not to word your arguments like a fricking caveman.
3 months ago
Anonymous
the entire human story, with the mom, then breaking bad man, then the son >reddit spacer does not understand basic themes
huge surprise
3 months ago
Anonymous
What "wrongs were being righted?" Name specific things in the movie that back up your claim, you dense motherfricker.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>researchers accidentally release MUTO spores >mother scientist feels duty to go in and seal things off when seismic shit threatens breach >cranston regrets letting her, feels survivors guilt, duty to get to bottom of what was discovered >dies leaving wrong unrighted, duty unfulfilled >son takes up torch
you have a Black person brain
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Joe Brody dies two seconds after finding out how his wife was killed >The movie basically forgets Joe Brody exists after he dies, Ford never mentions him nor his mother again for two the last two thirds of the movie >Ford does basically nothing that any other grunt in his position would do, and could be swapped out with any random soldier and the movie would be the same >Monarch receives no repercussions for basically killing Ford's mother and unleashing MUTO threat into the world and destroying three major American cities.
So many wrongs righted bro. Your media analysis skills are truly legendary.
3 months ago
Anonymous
His arc is helping godzilla kill the mutos, which he does, and he destroys their eggs too
3 months ago
Anonymous
>two seconds
15 years later
KEK
this Black person brain doesn't understand how time works in film
the estranged son returning and having his dad die trying to show him a mystery drives him to carry on his dad's cause
you have no argument and are a gay
3 months ago
Anonymous
I see your reading comprehension is just as useless as your media literacy. Please do us a favor and idle your engine in your garage with the door closed for a while.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>media literacy
3 months ago
Anonymous
he knew immediately how his wife was killed
it took him all that time to find out WHY
him bringing his son in on the quest just in time before dying does nothing but add drama to the story and motivation for the son
you have no argument
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, so much drama that he never brings up his mother or father again after he dies. Such great writing…
3 months ago
Anonymous
>anon needs characters to cry about their dead parents out loud each scene to understand what's going on
kek
3 months ago
Anonymous
If I were making the argument that duty and passing the torch were the central themes of the movie, I’d expect the subject to come up at least once. Weird how it doesn’t at all… it’s almost like you’re talking out of your ass.
3 months ago
Anonymous
t. doubling down on needing themes stated expressly out loud by the characters in a movie
kek, anon, you're messing with me now
3 months ago
Anonymous
I never said that you moron. I need the themes to be at least somewhat acknowledged in the film, unlike you, who just makes shit up out of thin air.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>basic plot points >makes shit up out of thin air
stop trying so hard
3 months ago
Anonymous
Stop being so blatantly wrong. “Righting wrongs” is the dumbest possible takeaway from this movie. Like, no shit. If that’s what you think the main theme of the movie is, then it’s also the theme to nearly every movie that involves some kind of conflict. Congratulations, you’re the next Joseph Campbell. Give me a fricking break.
3 months ago
Anonymous
t. BTFO Black person brain
3 months ago
Anonymous
You’re literally a pigeon shitting on a chessboard, you fricking quarterwit.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>2014 is a good godzilla movie >anything shitting on anything
kek, stfu Black person
3 months ago
Anonymous
>literally
homosexuals cannot help themselves with this word
3 months ago
Anonymous
>2014 is a good godzilla movie >anything shitting on anything
kek, stfu Black person
>you see Goji in 2014 about as much as all other godzilla movies, and when you see him he looks great
No and no. Every time Godzilla is about to be on screen it cuts away. 99% of what you see of him in the movie is something sticking out while the rest of Goji is off-frame. It was irritating.
I want to actually see Godzilla. The whole guy, not just his tail. Webm is an example of what I want.
this isn't true
he gets lots of screen time
he gets to swim
he pukes atomic breath into a MUTOs mouth
he's cool in 2014
>I'm watching to see them do cool shit.
This. What do Americans deliver? Pic related.
i cannot and will not defend kotm or gvk
they are not similar to 2014 in any way
>he gets lots of screen time
He doesn't. I watched the movie.
If I took a shot for every time it cut away from Godzilla after 2 seconds I'd have to go to the ER.
The shit you're posting doesn't reflect the actual movie. You can't trick me if I've seen it. >peoples' biggest criticism is that there should've been more
People were complaining because the movie has barely any Godzilla at all.
>barely any Godzilla at all
but it does
and it does a good job of making the MUTOs interesting and charming
and the passing on of duty and trying to right wrongs story of the humans is compelling
also, shin is gay and sucks
3 months ago
Anonymous
>but it does >and it does a good job of making the MUTOs interesting and charming >and the passing on of duty and trying to right wrongs story of the humans is compelling
All wrong, I'm sorry your taste is so trash. >shin is gay and sucks
I don't care about Shin.
3 months ago
Anonymous
that's good, at least
2014 isn't without valid criticism, but any argument against it coming from someone who thinks shin was good is complete nonsense
3 months ago
Anonymous
>but any argument against it coming from someone who thinks shin was good is complete nonsense
I have a lot of complaints about Shin, but I'll give it props for being better than 2014.
3 months ago
Anonymous
it's really not
in any way
not a single aspect of it is better
196053775
being a little passive aggressive homosexual won't make shin good or 2014 bad
good thing minus one is so good that none of these homosexuals can pretend otherwise
3 months ago
Anonymous
>not a single aspect of it is better >better godzilla scenes (still kinda meh because the cgi is spotty and he stops moving halfway through) >better human story (characters aren't that memorable but it's better than 2014) >better godzilla design (for a one-off movie)
that's fine, you're the homosexual too scared to (you) me
meme takes like the human story in 2014 is one of the worst in all of Goji-dom shows the sincerity of the arguments against it
>meme takes like the human story in 2014 is one of the worst in all of Goji-dom
It fricking is. It's boring generic Hollywood garbage. I'm surprised you're defending it because even 2014gays usually say the story could've been a lot better.
I don't even know what to talk about. I just kinda want to be here in a space for Godzilla fans.
Sure there have been some news lately, there are Oscars to think about and other topics we've discussed so many time already.
Why was everything modeled so poorly in the past? King Kong was supposed to be a straight up gorilla, and they completely fricked that up. And look at the godzilla suits. Production value was zero back then if it wasn't made of steel.
Especially if it was clay back then it looked like a child made it
I agree, Minus Color was rad but it felt pretty obvious the black and white was an afterthought. Actual b/w movies are shot with specific lighting and set designs which help with the "color," so turning a movie originally intended to be in color into b/w will never truly work. Some scenes and shots looked great and worked perfectly but it was never cohesive and kind of distracting. The movie is still great, but noticing the visual flaws made me appreciate it less than when I saw the original version. Still, it's remarkable that a Godzilla movie in 2024 can be as good as this while still being fairly conventional. I guess that kind of speaks to the power of the original 1954 film as well as simply making a conventional film in general. I loved Shin Godzilla and think it has the spirit of the original in a lot of ways, but it's too strange for a lot of people and too different for a lot of Godzilla fans. Minus One shows that we can have a straightforward and even melodramatic plot and still be horrified and entertained and blown away. Oddly one of the most wholesome movies I can recall in recent years, despite its heaviness. It works because the filmmakers understood that a monster is never just a monster, it has to be analogous to something our protagonist needs to overcome. I did feel the ending was slightly too easy (despite the apparent consequences of Godzilla exposure on the girl, and the regeneration starting) but maybe I'm too cynical. Anyways, I loved it.
Top 5:
Gojira
Minus One
Shin
vs. Destroyah
vs. Hedorah
Lmao thanks man. Here is my odd take on why I love Hedorah:
Presenting an apparently silly and kid friendly theme of anti-pollution, Godzilla vs. Hedorah is actually about the futility of fighting pollution. Scientists and the government are powerless to stop Hedorah's rampage and a massive collection of middle class hippy protesters gets melted like they were nothing (actually, the fact that their Woodstock-like party seems to displace homeless people living in the woods is probably my favorite piece of criticism the film has to offer). Godzilla, who is introduced in a child's dream and is consistently telepathically sensed, rooted for, and communicated with by a child, is also helpless against Hedorah for the majority of the film. He stumbles around to a goofy soundtrack and in general can't fight for shit. He gets his eye fricked up and his hand skeletonized. Hedorah might be the most powerful foe Godzilla has ever had, because until the end there's nothing he can do to stop him. Then, when Godzilla finally does defeat Hedorah, it is in the most cartoonish and ridiculous way possible. Then Godzilla walks away, with similar imagery to his entrance in the kid's dream. This film is saying that it is too late to save the Earth. The damage done by pollution can never be reversed, even if the government weren't incompetent. The only way we could save the world would be if children's wishes actually meant a goddamn thing, and they don't.
It's one that I don't watch often, but I feel like that's true of most Showa. I guess a lot of us just have this collective understanding of every one of these movies from growing up with them that we almost don't even need to watch them, they exist rent free in our heads from weekly autistic Blockbuster rentals and such. As an adult I've seen all of the original Japanese cuts though which is nice but I still cherish what Godzilla tapes I have in my VHS collection back home. Side note, and kinda adding something to my thoughts on Hedorah, Godzilla's ridiculous power-up at the end fight is kinda like Luffy going Gear 5 against Kaido. Dunno if you like One Piece or manga in general but I just connected that, so thank you.
Not even a Gamera can save the children this time.
Gamera in the Showa era was so janky yet somehow usually more technically impressive than Godzilla. The sets and miniatures were almost always more detailed and realistic and the destruction was so rad, but the human stories were garbage and I don't think there was a even a single kid protagonist I cared for. The supremely violent fights were a big plus though. But obviously Heisei Gamera is peak kaiju that blows pretty much everything out of the water
>I don't think there was a even a single kid protagonist I cared for
I find the stuff with the kid and his pet turtle in the first one really sad.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe I should give it a rewatch since it's been a few years but I specifically remember hoping the child dies for basically the entire movie on multiple viewings lol
3 months ago
Anonymous
Kek poor kid.
I personally didn't hate him but I have a tolerance for kid characters, and like I said I thought him having to let his pet turtle go was sad and added a bit of emotion to the film and his relationship with Gamera.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Fair enough, might be worth another look. It's been about 10 years and as I get older I tend to get more emotional over sentimental things like that in a way I didn't used to.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>sentimental
That's a good way to put it, the first Gamera has a sentimental feel to me. Sad in sort of an innocent, childlike way.
Only joking, love a Jet Jaguar
Based Jaguarbro.
I'd agree. vs. Jiger is my second favorite Showa Gamera after vs. Gyaos. Very solid film
Favorite for me is vs Barugon, probably with the original in second place. Haven't seen vs Jiger yet.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Lmao all three of posts were me so I'll respond just in one.
I guess by developing sentimentality as I get older I don't mean nostalgia necessarily, more like I'm getting more in tune and comfortable with emotion in general than when I was a closed off autist with no real experiences in life. Like I feel more comfortable being upset or even being able to be upset than I used to. But yeah, old monster movies I grew up with definitely do have their own emotional appeal, but that relates to me personally. In other words, I'm more open to others' (even fictional) emotions than I was when I was younger.
Yeah Jet Jaguar rules, I'm hoping for a follow up to Singular Point or hopefully at least something with him in it.
And bro I know it's a slog but you gotta watch all of Showa Gamera. Some of them will make you sleepy but there's only like 8, just pound em out
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Lmao all three of posts were me
Kek, funny that I responded to a third post that also ended up being you. >But yeah, old monster movies I grew up with definitely do have their own emotional appeal, but that relates to me personally. In other words, I'm more open to others' (even fictional) emotions than I was when I was younger.
I get what you mean about emotions, if I watched it as a teen I probably wouldn't have been as into it. >Yeah Jet Jaguar rules
He's cool. I'm a fan of most of the "good" kaijus and mechas/robots. They stand out when so many of the monsters just want to destroy shit. >And bro I know it's a slog but you gotta watch all of Showa Gamera.
I've seen everything up to and including vs Guiron. I'm gonna watch the other two actual Showa movies but I'm probably not gonna watch clipshow Super Monster.
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Anonymous
Super Monster is unwatchable
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Anonymous
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It's fine if you want to use it to take a nap or if you're a completionist and just put it 1.5x
Maybe I'll put it on in the background someday.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Super Monster is unwatchable
It's fine if you want to use it to take a nap or if you're a completionist and just put it 1.5x
I think Heisei gets better one after another, with Isis topping it off. Even Guardian is really good, but the series just ratchets up the stakes with each film and spends time with different main characters while maintaining cohesion. I doubt we'll ever see another kaiju series quite like it
Converting color movies into B/W is the dumbest fricking fad.
If it wasn't short in black and white then it's not meant to be viewed in black and white and I don't care what the director has to say. If you wanted it to be in black and white then you should have shot it in black and white, George Miller, you hack!
watching GvK but you only watch when Kong and the deaf girl are on screen, or Godzilla obviously, is alright
but it takes a lot of skipping
imagine thinking anyone wants to see stranger things girl, some obese kiwi child, and an autistic black adult man go on adventures that culminate in pouring baja blast onto a control panel
>imagine thinking anyone wants to see stranger things girl, some obese kiwi child, and an autistic black adult man go on adventures that culminate in pouring baja blast onto a control panel
I honestly didn't hate this subplot because it reminded me of the kids stumbling around the ruins in Rebirth of Mothra 2. It wasn't amazing but I didn't find it egregiously bad.
Is it wrong of me to think that the first arc of Rodan dealing with the Meganulon was significantly better than the actual part of the movie dealing with Rodan?
what Heisei or Millenium movie has the best miniatures/suits/fx/etc?
as in, overall craftsmanship and quality of movie
want to watch a goji movie but not in the mood for anything too goofy or cheap feeling, even if i can appreciate the soul involved
thanks, anon
watched the 74 Mechagodzilla last week, mostly just for the music
effects and human stuff, pretty much everything besides the plot, was a bit rough though
GMK and it's not even close
yea, this one is good, been long enough since my last watch that i might have to just watch this one again
love how mean Goji is in it
can't watch this shit cause it's taking 8 years to be HD
Rewatched this recently. It's a mess, but a fun mess. There's a moment where the Godzilla suit rapidly changes 3 times because of stock footage, it was comical
I don't think anyone defends Godzilla vs Gigan.
lol, I do. I think it's one of the more entertaining human casts.
I do. Scooby Doo vs. Godzilla is kino of the highest order. Come at me.
The re-used footage is obviously not great but the original stuff is very good. The fight with Gigan is one of the best in the series.
>gigan and ghidorah
>gigan and megalon
>gigan and monster x
Gigan teamups are always great.
YAMEROOOOOOOOO
It's got one of the best human plots and some of the best original miniature footage in the series. The low shots of Gigan's foot going through a street and just decimating cars are really cool and unique. Plus the big fight is fairly dynamic despite relying on Ghidoarah yet again. Granted the stock footage is tedious but it's still fun. I rank it pretty high for Showa. Also love the gore effects which I think were clearly inspired by the Gamera films of the time
>some of the best original miniature footage in the series
for real
just wish the gigan design wasnt so goofy
Eh might be nostalgia but I like Gigan's look. I had a bandai america Gigan figure that I always played with. Although I remember when final wars came out and being blown away at the new Gigan design. Definitely got 10 year old me going.
When it comes to cinematography and lighting it might be in the top five.
fricking moron
Come at me, Godzillabros.
NO. Every goji fan has a different ranking. It makes literally zero sense to ever argue over it.
pretty reasonable except
>VS Mechagodzilla '93 above VS King Ghidorah
>DAM and 2000 not above Spacegodzilla
Link to this chart maker?
https://tiermaker.com/create/godzilla-films-up-to-kotm-8091
Off the top of my head. Probably a few I could switch around/rank lower but I was feeling generous and I love Godzilla.
They're not ranked inside the tiers.
Your placement of Shin bothers me, but as a fellow Ebirah, Horror of the Deep enjoyer you're alright in my book.
I didn't hate Shin but I wasn't really into it. I considered putting it in B, but I thought the CG looked pretty iffy at times and the pacing in the latter half was slow. I do like all the films in C, Godzilla 2014 is the only one I ranked that I'm really meh on. Has a few decent moments but I didn't really like it.
Ebirah is great, one of the more underrated entries imo. One of the best human casts.
Shin is shit
I've never talked to anyone who didn't like Shin who wasn't a total moron. I'm glad it exists so people can out themselves as morons and I can immediately disregard their gibbering.
>being a weeb homosexual that enjoys trash makes me the smart one
What if you thought Shin was just ok?
Then you're fine.
Shin is literally a college art project with a cgi budget. It is infantile. It's a joke. What the FRICK do you see in it? It's not deep. The criticisms are a joke. It's nothing.
I know for a fact that you've been told many times why people enjoy Shin Godzilla and the only criticisms I ever see are:
>human talking is boring
>Godzilla looks too different
Those are literally the only criticisms, so it's clear the fanbase is divide into people who can appreciate a film that takes artistic risks (and succeeds) and morons who just want the same thing over and over again. Frick off.
Thank you for not answering my question you fricking imbecile.
Here's why it's bad:
>cast and crew reused from previous project, not selected specifically to work on this film
>it is a criticism of disaster response and bureaucracy, and the "criticism" is silly jokes about how dumb politicians are
>no original roar, shin godzilla doesn't feel like it's own thing
>reusing ancient sound effects is extremely lazy and done for convenience while "fans" cope by pretending it's an artistic choice
>pointless segments to jerk off the reused cast, like the english speaking scenes
>"new blood is effective and old blood is dumb" is the dumbest libshit take ever
>too much humor overall and it takes away ALL tension and danger
This was sold to us as a serious horror film, and it could've done that while tackling how slow and shitty bureaucracy is, but they got an absolute worthless nepotistic jackass to make it and he completely destroyed what COULD'VE been a great film.
Now answer the fricking question, WHY do you like this steaming pile of SHIT
>cast and crew reused from previous project, not selected specifically to work on this film
Irrelevant
>it is a criticism of disaster response and bureaucracy, and the "criticism" is silly jokes about how dumb politicians are
That's how satire/comedy works
>no original roar, shin godzilla doesn't feel like it's own thing
The monster's design visually distinct enough that only autists care about this
>reusing ancient sound effects is extremely lazy and done for convenience while "fans" cope by pretending it's an artistic choice
Opinion
>pointless segments to jerk off the reused cast, like the english speaking scenes
I agree with you on this
>"new blood is effective and old blood is dumb" is the dumbest libshit take ever
Opinion, and also a dumbass opinion because it's a valid criticism of the government's response to an actual disaster
>too much humor overall and it takes away ALL tension and danger
Opinion
I enjoyed the movie because it works as a satire of the bureaucracy that stalled the response to the 2011 Earthquake. The only major flaws I see are the horrible miscasting of the American character, and it drags too much in the second half.
You're missing one
>GvK
>Good
not that guy but i'll weigh in on this. I hate the Legendary movies. They're awful garbage for morons. But GvK is at least fun, and the spectacle of it all is its only appeal. I guess Skull Island is similar but it's just so dumb and boring I can't get over it. But GvK kept me entertained and unlike the others didn't feel brutally long. That said, it's not good. The only way to enjoy it is if you can get over how moronic it goes. Or laugh at how moronic it is. Weird to think of a movie with such a huge budget as so bad it's good but it's literally so dumb it's funny. That said, I truly dislike the film on a personal level because Godzilla is usurped as the "protagonist." Like Kong ends up saving him. If you want to make a King Kong movie then just do it, don't pretend Godzilla is the lead monster. Sham advertising similar to how 2014 ad campaign implied Godzilla was a horrifying monster and a mystery to the world, but nope, turns out he's earth's protector and everyone who matters knows about him, fricking even gets revealed in the opening credits, so our lead humans spend like 2 hours uncovering shit the audience already knows but not in a fun way like Columbo. I hate these movies man
GvK is the only Legendary movie that I thought seemed tightly edited and in the spirit of the classic movies. The other ones all feel like they just let the directors write their rough drafts and then make the movies with no constructive criticism. G2014 was just Edwards doing the "muh Jaws" bullshit and trying to ape Spielberg. KSI was a showcase of big-name actors with some kind of half-assed plot to justify why they're intec. KotM was a fanboy movie trying to cram in as many memberberries as they could with way too many named characters and a nonsensical plot. GvK was the only one that seemed like it had some actual thought and characterization put behind it.
I kind of agree (especially wholeheartedly about the other films), in that GvK is more cohesive than the others in terms of the editing and direction. But the story itself still feels slapped together and I maintain my previous criticisms in that first post. Skarsgard certainly helps but even he is given very little to work with from the script. Not to beat a dead horse but look at how simple and pure Minus One is compared to how needlessly complex and "grand" any of the Legendary movies are. I'll be interested to see Toho make a Godzilla movie with another monster in it (provided they maintain the same quality and care that they have shown with Shin and -1) just to compare, because so far the American attempts are incredibly juvenile in every way
I agree but the Legendary series and Reiwa series from Toho are clearly aiming at different audiences. Legendary wants 13-year-old boys, while Toho is letting auteurs make their dream Godzilla movies since Godzilla is an icon in Japan that appeals to the adult demographic.
You're correct but the Legendary movies started out aiming at adults. 2014 is clearly meant to be a serious movie but it fricked it up cause it's moronic. Then they embraced how moronic it was and doubled down and that's why finally GvK was at least fun, but obvi not good. GxK is looking to up the moronation and the trashness so while I will probably see it theaters I have no semblance of hope for it to be good. I mentioned somewhere earlier in the thread that I'd be interested to see Toho do a Godzilla vs [insert monster] type movie given what they've done lately. Because with Shin and Minus One, while they appeal to grownups, they're using the basic structure of the first one. How can you make a conventionally "good" Godzilla move with him fighting another monster? Obviously Godzilla works best as an adversarial character for dramatic purposes. So other than Mechagodzilla or super X there's no one really for him to fight and still be the bad guy. Anything else would be a return to the childish Godzilla that we grew up with watching the showa and even most heisei movies. I hope someone can overcome that challenge, because it would be amazing to see Godzilla fight another monster in this day and age. If they keep it up, Goji movies will be too samey cause he just wrecks shit and gets defeated over and over again.
GvK and KoTM are both alright but they'll never compare to suitkinos.
I think it has the best pacing and fight visuals of all the Legandary godzilla movies
Any recommendations on how to get into this franchise? Start with the first one?
Yeah start with 1954. I'll give you the order I did when I started watching, I think it worked out well and it was based on advice I got here
>godzilla 1954
>godzilla raids again (this one is divisive so you can skip it if you want, but i like it and it sets up the next movies
>king kong vs godzilla (i watched king kong 1933 before this but it's not required)
>mothra
>mothra vs godzilla
>ghidorah, the three headed monster
>invasion of astro-monster
>ebirah horror of the deep
>the return of godzilla (this is a different era than the previous ones, only 1954 is canon)
>godzilla vs biollante (sequel to return of godzilla)
>godzilla 2000 (not connected to either of the previous eras
>godzilla against mechagodzilla (also not connected)
After that you can just pick whatever Godzilla/Toho kaiju movies you haven't seen that look good, but the first two eras (Showa and Heisei) have continuity so it's better to watch them in order for the full experience.
The 1954 original is the ideal starting point. For me, the 5 "must watch" Godzilla movies for newbies are:
>Godzilla (1954)
>Mothra vs Godzilla (1964)
>Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla (1974)
>Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack (2001)
>Godzilla Minus One (2023)
Shin Godzilla is also one of the best in the franchise, but it is an extremely different take on the character.
>Start with the first one?
For sure. You're going to get a lot of advice on viewing order but it's all going to be useless because, like I already said, everyone ends up liking different things. One warning I will give you if you decide to go in release order is that the second film Godzilla Raids Again was rushed out quick to capitalize on the success of the first and it's pretty bad so don't get discouraged if you hate it lol. Watch whatever you want. If you get into it you will end up watching them all. My personal favorite for breaking in virgins is Godzlla:2000 Millenium because I think it hits a sweet spot for serious/silly and it's modern enough that people who haven't watched many older movies don't get filtered. Enjoy the ride!
>everyone ends up liking different things
>that the second film Godzilla Raids Again was rushed out quick to capitalize on the success of the first and it's pretty bad
Proof that everyone has different tastes, I like Raids Again.
I like it too but with the eyes of a seasoned Godzilla fan. On first watch it's a big downgrade from 1954.
Definitely not as kino as the first movie but I still liked it, which made me even more eager to watch the rest of the series. I can see how somebody wouldn't be as into it though.
I put off Raids Again for a long time because everyone said it was bad but watch it a month ago and I really liked it.
I was surprised by a lot of the reception online after I watched it. It's more of a cheesy 50s monster movie than the original but I enjoyed that, and I thought it did a good job at capturing the somber and kinda creepy feel of the original. The scene where Godzilla emerges from the water is a good example, the blackout scene is also great.
It also introduced one of the greatest kaijus ever.
i was honestly sad when the fat pilot died
RIP Mr Groom. Died just when he finally found love.
Watch minus one & the original then stop
Just start with the first one and watch them in release order. The second movie is kind of weak, but after that it becomes kino again. If you really want to get into it, then you'll have to watch the other 50's and 60's movies from Toho that introduce the "sidekick" monsters like Mothra, Rodan, Manda, Gorosaurus, etc. Despite its reputation for being campy, the Godzilla franchise has a lot of fun movies, and only a few that could legitimately be considered "bad."
Kino webm
Poor Jet Jaguar though
frick that robot homosexual
Why? He's one of Godzilla's friends.
Only joking, love a Jet Jaguar
No, start with Return Of Godzilla from 84 and go through the Hesei era. If you like them and don't mind older/cheesier then start from the beginning
Heisei is objectively the worst era when taken as a whole. It wins for poster art but that's it.
It's more accessible than starting with Showa era
But not as kino as starting with Millenium.
terrible advice
terrible opinion
why would you watch this in b&w?
the color grading was very pleasant and fit the costumes/set design/etc perfectly
It's just something cool anon. A reason to go see it in theaters again. It's enthusiast shit.
i might've seen it in color again but minus color fricked that up
it's gay meme shit but i guess toho wants to get all the yen out of it they can before i pirate it kek
I missed the original run, but happened to catch the B&W run right before it ended because it was mentioned here.
I look forward to seeing it the normal way when I get the home release, but I’m kind of glad I saw it in black and white first. I loved every second of the movie. The only thing I think may have suffered for it was G’s CGI looked more uncanny and fake, but considering he’s been a man in a rubber suit for most of his lifetime I wasn’t truly bothered by it.
Torrent when? Why are the japs so moronic with physical releases?
its not that old, had a delayed euro release, and just had a colorless release
I'm watching the Heisei movies for the first time so far for me they rank
GvKG>Biolante>Return of Godzilla>Godzilla vs Mothra
which saddens me because I really like the original Mothra, Mothra vs Godzilla, and Rebirth of Mothra. Biolante has a great premise, design, atmosphere, and special effects but I don't really feel like they pulled off the actual story that well and the two fights werent thaat great. Godzilla vs King Ghidorah makes no sense if you think about the time travel but that didn''t really bother me
The mediocre fights plague a lot of Heisei, but I do like vs Mothra because
>the mothra formula is just always fun to me
>battra is cool and the moment when he teams up with mothra is great
>the divorced couple are a bit more memorable than some of the other heisei human characters
vs. mechaG II and vs. Destoroyah are the only heisei movies I ever re-watch.
2014 and Minus One are now the best Godzilla movies after Gojira
2014 is okay at best.
better than all Goji movies besides -1 and 54
the way the monster were shot is the best part
actual scale and interactions with the environment
you see Goji in 2014 about as much as all other godzilla movies, and when you see him he looks great
best atomic breath in the entire canon, and MUTOs are charming
>you see Goji in 2014 about as much as all other godzilla movies, and when you see him he looks great
No and no. Every time Godzilla is about to be on screen it cuts away. 99% of what you see of him in the movie is something sticking out while the rest of Goji is off-frame. It was irritating.
I want to actually see Godzilla. The whole guy, not just his tail. Webm is an example of what I want.
>kills off the most compelling character less than half an hour into the film
>actual protagonist is boring and has no charisma
>Godzilla isn't the main threat or even the focus of his own movie
>cuts away from the monster action TWICE
But the atomic breath scene made idiots clap like seals therefore it's the best.
Maybe I need to rewatch it someday but I frickin hated the way the monsters were shot in 2014, ruined the movie for me. I want to see Godzilla.
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>2014
nope, just a genuinely good Godzilla movie
Minus One is better, but the MUTOs and Atomic Breath and sense of scale is better in 2014
There has never been and will never be a good Godzilla movie made by Americans.
2014 is excellent and you're a gay
shin sucks, also
>sense of scale
I always see people bring this up but it's never been something I've cared about. I'm not watching to see how big the monsters are compared to buildings, I'm watching to see them do cool shit.
>im a gay moron
you've made it clear
Goji does do cool shit in 2014
The only remotely "cool" thing he does is kill knockoff Cloverfield after you've had to sit through an entire film of nothing but boredom and Kickass being sad.
gay take
>most compelling character
>BrEaKinG BaD MaN sO c00l!
kek reddit homosexuals are apparently who doesn't like 2014
the themes of 2014 are great and the human story delivers them well
not dissimilar from minus one, actually
The human story is a generic snoozefest. One of the worst in the series.
>One of the worst in the series
K E K
E E E
K E K
>BrEaKinG BaD MaN sO c00l!
Yes, let's replace this character with personal stakes in the monster drama with a boring milquetoast grunt. This was a terrible idea even before a single character was even cast.
>the themes of 2014 are great and the human story delivers them well
>Hurr, balance of nature. So deep lol.
Put down the crack pipe, anon.
>balance of nature
KEK
that is not a theme of the movie
holy shit your takes are garbage
Yes, it absolutely is a major theme of the movie. I'm surprised you didn't notice because since you're so keen to gargle 2014's balls.
no, it isn't
not any more than every single godzilla movie could be said to have that theme, which is really a perversion of the message of 54
yes, you're doing nothing by not properly replying to me besides making the thread uglier
>no, it isn't
"The arrogance of man is thinking nature is in our control and not the other way around..."
They basically stop short of looking directly at the camera to tell you that it is indeed the theme of the movie. Good fricking God how can you be so fricking moronic?
If that isn't the theme of the movie, then what the frick do you even think the movie is about?
already stated, homosexual
nice reddit spacing
Way to dodge the question. That's because you obviously don't have an answer and don't know what the frick you're talking about.
i didnt dodge the question, you illiterate homosexual
i already stated it here
kek that shit looks so embarrassing
>shin lovers can't even greentext right
KEK
>shin lovers can't even greentext right
I was just using the memes arrows to make a list, and it's hilarious you're calling me a "Shin Lover" when half my post was criticizing Shin.
moron.
>memes arrows
*meme arrows
I'm frickin up today bros.
>passing on of duty and trying to right wrongs story of the humans
You actually think that's what the movie was about? That's fricking rich. Where the frick is any of that addressed in the movie? Also, try not to word your arguments like a fricking caveman.
the entire human story, with the mom, then breaking bad man, then the son
>reddit spacer does not understand basic themes
huge surprise
What "wrongs were being righted?" Name specific things in the movie that back up your claim, you dense motherfricker.
>researchers accidentally release MUTO spores
>mother scientist feels duty to go in and seal things off when seismic shit threatens breach
>cranston regrets letting her, feels survivors guilt, duty to get to bottom of what was discovered
>dies leaving wrong unrighted, duty unfulfilled >son takes up torch
you have a Black person brain
>Joe Brody dies two seconds after finding out how his wife was killed
>The movie basically forgets Joe Brody exists after he dies, Ford never mentions him nor his mother again for two the last two thirds of the movie
>Ford does basically nothing that any other grunt in his position would do, and could be swapped out with any random soldier and the movie would be the same
>Monarch receives no repercussions for basically killing Ford's mother and unleashing MUTO threat into the world and destroying three major American cities.
So many wrongs righted bro. Your media analysis skills are truly legendary.
His arc is helping godzilla kill the mutos, which he does, and he destroys their eggs too
>two seconds
15 years later
KEK
this Black person brain doesn't understand how time works in film
the estranged son returning and having his dad die trying to show him a mystery drives him to carry on his dad's cause
you have no argument and are a gay
I see your reading comprehension is just as useless as your media literacy. Please do us a favor and idle your engine in your garage with the door closed for a while.
>media literacy
he knew immediately how his wife was killed
it took him all that time to find out WHY
him bringing his son in on the quest just in time before dying does nothing but add drama to the story and motivation for the son
you have no argument
Yeah, so much drama that he never brings up his mother or father again after he dies. Such great writing…
>anon needs characters to cry about their dead parents out loud each scene to understand what's going on
kek
If I were making the argument that duty and passing the torch were the central themes of the movie, I’d expect the subject to come up at least once. Weird how it doesn’t at all… it’s almost like you’re talking out of your ass.
t. doubling down on needing themes stated expressly out loud by the characters in a movie
kek, anon, you're messing with me now
I never said that you moron. I need the themes to be at least somewhat acknowledged in the film, unlike you, who just makes shit up out of thin air.
>basic plot points
>makes shit up out of thin air
stop trying so hard
Stop being so blatantly wrong. “Righting wrongs” is the dumbest possible takeaway from this movie. Like, no shit. If that’s what you think the main theme of the movie is, then it’s also the theme to nearly every movie that involves some kind of conflict. Congratulations, you’re the next Joseph Campbell. Give me a fricking break.
t. BTFO Black person brain
You’re literally a pigeon shitting on a chessboard, you fricking quarterwit.
>2014 is a good godzilla movie
>anything shitting on anything
kek, stfu Black person
>literally
homosexuals cannot help themselves with this word
morons literally can’t help being moronic
>I'm watching to see them do cool shit.
This. What do Americans deliver? Pic related.
I still can't believe I convinced my normie friend to go watch this instead of Marvel shit no. 534
>it was better in color
Wrong
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>2014 is excellent
>shin sucks
troll status confirmed.
nope, just honest and not a weeb homosexual
this isn't true
he gets lots of screen time
he gets to swim
he pukes atomic breath into a MUTOs mouth
he's cool in 2014
i cannot and will not defend kotm or gvk
they are not similar to 2014 in any way
>he gets lots of screen time
He doesn't. I watched the movie.
If I took a shot for every time it cut away from Godzilla after 2 seconds I'd have to go to the ER.
absolute meme take that does not reflect the actual movie
the kaiju fights were great in 2014, to the point that peoples' biggest criticism is that there should've been more
The shit you're posting doesn't reflect the actual movie. You can't trick me if I've seen it.
>peoples' biggest criticism is that there should've been more
People were complaining because the movie has barely any Godzilla at all.
>barely any Godzilla at all
but it does
and it does a good job of making the MUTOs interesting and charming
and the passing on of duty and trying to right wrongs story of the humans is compelling
also, shin is gay and sucks
>but it does
>and it does a good job of making the MUTOs interesting and charming
>and the passing on of duty and trying to right wrongs story of the humans is compelling
All wrong, I'm sorry your taste is so trash.
>shin is gay and sucks
I don't care about Shin.
that's good, at least
2014 isn't without valid criticism, but any argument against it coming from someone who thinks shin was good is complete nonsense
>but any argument against it coming from someone who thinks shin was good is complete nonsense
I have a lot of complaints about Shin, but I'll give it props for being better than 2014.
it's really not
in any way
not a single aspect of it is better
being a little passive aggressive homosexual won't make shin good or 2014 bad
good thing minus one is so good that none of these homosexuals can pretend otherwise
>not a single aspect of it is better
>better godzilla scenes (still kinda meh because the cgi is spotty and he stops moving halfway through)
>better human story (characters aren't that memorable but it's better than 2014)
>better godzilla design (for a one-off movie)
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>they are not similar to 2014 in any way
They are similar in how shitty they are at showing kaiju battles.
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We're just going to have to agree to disagree bro.
that's fine, you're the homosexual too scared to (you) me
meme takes like the human story in 2014 is one of the worst in all of Goji-dom shows the sincerity of the arguments against it
>meme takes like the human story in 2014 is one of the worst in all of Goji-dom
It fricking is. It's boring generic Hollywood garbage. I'm surprised you're defending it because even 2014gays usually say the story could've been a lot better.
I don't understand the black and white meme. Kino film either way
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>scared
I don't even know what to talk about. I just kinda want to be here in a space for Godzilla fans.
Sure there have been some news lately, there are Oscars to think about and other topics we've discussed so many time already.
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>making the thread uglier
correct
your gay
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Gorosaurus is kino, I love Showa so much.
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More like 20-Bore-teen
Why was everything modeled so poorly in the past? King Kong was supposed to be a straight up gorilla, and they completely fricked that up. And look at the godzilla suits. Production value was zero back then if it wasn't made of steel.
Especially if it was clay back then it looked like a child made it
Shit bait.
How is this bait you homosexual. Look at the suit from godzilla raids again and tell me it doesn't look like shit
Gyakushugoji is awesome. One of my favorite suits.
Bring back Gobble posting.
I agree, Minus Color was rad but it felt pretty obvious the black and white was an afterthought. Actual b/w movies are shot with specific lighting and set designs which help with the "color," so turning a movie originally intended to be in color into b/w will never truly work. Some scenes and shots looked great and worked perfectly but it was never cohesive and kind of distracting. The movie is still great, but noticing the visual flaws made me appreciate it less than when I saw the original version. Still, it's remarkable that a Godzilla movie in 2024 can be as good as this while still being fairly conventional. I guess that kind of speaks to the power of the original 1954 film as well as simply making a conventional film in general. I loved Shin Godzilla and think it has the spirit of the original in a lot of ways, but it's too strange for a lot of people and too different for a lot of Godzilla fans. Minus One shows that we can have a straightforward and even melodramatic plot and still be horrified and entertained and blown away. Oddly one of the most wholesome movies I can recall in recent years, despite its heaviness. It works because the filmmakers understood that a monster is never just a monster, it has to be analogous to something our protagonist needs to overcome. I did feel the ending was slightly too easy (despite the apparent consequences of Godzilla exposure on the girl, and the regeneration starting) but maybe I'm too cynical. Anyways, I loved it.
Top 5:
Gojira
Minus One
Shin
vs. Destroyah
vs. Hedorah
Thanks for taking the time to type out my feelings, Hedorahbro
Lmao thanks man. Here is my odd take on why I love Hedorah:
Presenting an apparently silly and kid friendly theme of anti-pollution, Godzilla vs. Hedorah is actually about the futility of fighting pollution. Scientists and the government are powerless to stop Hedorah's rampage and a massive collection of middle class hippy protesters gets melted like they were nothing (actually, the fact that their Woodstock-like party seems to displace homeless people living in the woods is probably my favorite piece of criticism the film has to offer). Godzilla, who is introduced in a child's dream and is consistently telepathically sensed, rooted for, and communicated with by a child, is also helpless against Hedorah for the majority of the film. He stumbles around to a goofy soundtrack and in general can't fight for shit. He gets his eye fricked up and his hand skeletonized. Hedorah might be the most powerful foe Godzilla has ever had, because until the end there's nothing he can do to stop him. Then, when Godzilla finally does defeat Hedorah, it is in the most cartoonish and ridiculous way possible. Then Godzilla walks away, with similar imagery to his entrance in the kid's dream. This film is saying that it is too late to save the Earth. The damage done by pollution can never be reversed, even if the government weren't incompetent. The only way we could save the world would be if children's wishes actually meant a goddamn thing, and they don't.
kek
bleak analysis, anon
good take, but feel like the movie is more interesting and fun to talk about then actually watch
*than
It's one that I don't watch often, but I feel like that's true of most Showa. I guess a lot of us just have this collective understanding of every one of these movies from growing up with them that we almost don't even need to watch them, they exist rent free in our heads from weekly autistic Blockbuster rentals and such. As an adult I've seen all of the original Japanese cuts though which is nice but I still cherish what Godzilla tapes I have in my VHS collection back home. Side note, and kinda adding something to my thoughts on Hedorah, Godzilla's ridiculous power-up at the end fight is kinda like Luffy going Gear 5 against Kaido. Dunno if you like One Piece or manga in general but I just connected that, so thank you.
Gamera in the Showa era was so janky yet somehow usually more technically impressive than Godzilla. The sets and miniatures were almost always more detailed and realistic and the destruction was so rad, but the human stories were garbage and I don't think there was a even a single kid protagonist I cared for. The supremely violent fights were a big plus though. But obviously Heisei Gamera is peak kaiju that blows pretty much everything out of the water
>I don't think there was a even a single kid protagonist I cared for
I find the stuff with the kid and his pet turtle in the first one really sad.
Maybe I should give it a rewatch since it's been a few years but I specifically remember hoping the child dies for basically the entire movie on multiple viewings lol
Kek poor kid.
I personally didn't hate him but I have a tolerance for kid characters, and like I said I thought him having to let his pet turtle go was sad and added a bit of emotion to the film and his relationship with Gamera.
Fair enough, might be worth another look. It's been about 10 years and as I get older I tend to get more emotional over sentimental things like that in a way I didn't used to.
>sentimental
That's a good way to put it, the first Gamera has a sentimental feel to me. Sad in sort of an innocent, childlike way.
Based Jaguarbro.
Favorite for me is vs Barugon, probably with the original in second place. Haven't seen vs Jiger yet.
Lmao all three of posts were me so I'll respond just in one.
I guess by developing sentimentality as I get older I don't mean nostalgia necessarily, more like I'm getting more in tune and comfortable with emotion in general than when I was a closed off autist with no real experiences in life. Like I feel more comfortable being upset or even being able to be upset than I used to. But yeah, old monster movies I grew up with definitely do have their own emotional appeal, but that relates to me personally. In other words, I'm more open to others' (even fictional) emotions than I was when I was younger.
Yeah Jet Jaguar rules, I'm hoping for a follow up to Singular Point or hopefully at least something with him in it.
And bro I know it's a slog but you gotta watch all of Showa Gamera. Some of them will make you sleepy but there's only like 8, just pound em out
>Lmao all three of posts were me
Kek, funny that I responded to a third post that also ended up being you.
>But yeah, old monster movies I grew up with definitely do have their own emotional appeal, but that relates to me personally. In other words, I'm more open to others' (even fictional) emotions than I was when I was younger.
I get what you mean about emotions, if I watched it as a teen I probably wouldn't have been as into it.
>Yeah Jet Jaguar rules
He's cool. I'm a fan of most of the "good" kaijus and mechas/robots. They stand out when so many of the monsters just want to destroy shit.
>And bro I know it's a slog but you gotta watch all of Showa Gamera.
I've seen everything up to and including vs Guiron. I'm gonna watch the other two actual Showa movies but I'm probably not gonna watch clipshow Super Monster.
Super Monster is unwatchable
Maybe I'll put it on in the background someday.
It's fine if you want to use it to take a nap or if you're a completionist and just put it 1.5x
Gamera’s death march to the sea in Gamera vs Jiger is one of the great cinematic moments in kaiju history.
I'd agree. vs. Jiger is my second favorite Showa Gamera after vs. Gyaos. Very solid film
Talking Heisei, Legion is my favorite.
I think Heisei gets better one after another, with Isis topping it off. Even Guardian is really good, but the series just ratchets up the stakes with each film and spends time with different main characters while maintaining cohesion. I doubt we'll ever see another kaiju series quite like it
Not even a Gamera can save the children this time.
>taking your gf to the beach
>this guy's here again working out
Converting color movies into B/W is the dumbest fricking fad.
If it wasn't short in black and white then it's not meant to be viewed in black and white and I don't care what the director has to say. If you wanted it to be in black and white then you should have shot it in black and white, George Miller, you hack!
watching GvK but you only watch when Kong and the deaf girl are on screen, or Godzilla obviously, is alright
but it takes a lot of skipping
imagine thinking anyone wants to see stranger things girl, some obese kiwi child, and an autistic black adult man go on adventures that culminate in pouring baja blast onto a control panel
>imagine thinking anyone wants to see stranger things girl, some obese kiwi child, and an autistic black adult man go on adventures that culminate in pouring baja blast onto a control panel
I honestly didn't hate this subplot because it reminded me of the kids stumbling around the ruins in Rebirth of Mothra 2. It wasn't amazing but I didn't find it egregiously bad.
japanese kids adventuring in a japanese goji movie just hits different than diversity squad in a chinese globohomosexual godzilla, i guess
that's literally the perfect way to describe it, you've got me almost tearing up laughing
thanks, anon
i know they hate me because i speak the truth about 2014 being good, but godzilla fans have to stay chill
i just watched Gamera: Guardian of the Universe
thought it was great
Is it wrong of me to think that the first arc of Rodan dealing with the Meganulon was significantly better than the actual part of the movie dealing with Rodan?
No. You're allowed to like what you like.
yeah that first act rules it's like a horror film
what Heisei or Millenium movie has the best miniatures/suits/fx/etc?
as in, overall craftsmanship and quality of movie
want to watch a goji movie but not in the mood for anything too goofy or cheap feeling, even if i can appreciate the soul involved
Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla looks good.
thanks, anon
watched the 74 Mechagodzilla last week, mostly just for the music
effects and human stuff, pretty much everything besides the plot, was a bit rough though
yea, this one is good, been long enough since my last watch that i might have to just watch this one again
love how mean Goji is in it
GMK and it's not even close