Preacher, where he just shrugs off Jesus and says that Jesus had to be a dick as well if God was, without even trying to explain why Jesus' sacrifice was propethized.
Thoug cretin is say too much. In the end, Ennis is just as intellectually worthwhile as your average comics book writer. He just stands out thanks to the shock value he is competent enough to pull off.
I guess I haven't yet.
Hitman, Preacher, and Punisher MAX are still some of my favorite comics. Ennis writes camaraderie better than almost anyone in the business, and he has some really heartfelt moments even in his lesser works like The Boys.
I don't think he's a cretin, but I do sense a lot of contempt in his works, which disturbs me. But if he is overly contemptuous of others, he can't be criticzed too much for that, because it's endemic in our civilization.
To be clear: I think it's bad that people are so full of hate for each other. I don't think that hatred and the desire to see others suffer is sanctified just because the others voted for the wrong person for president or disagree with you about 6 issues out of 100 or whatever.
People can't always control what emotions they have about others, but they can process those emotions, and they can realize things on an intellectual level that are wiser than their emotional responses.
I should also say that I don't know what Ennis is like in real life, I only know him through his work and an interview or two.
I remember reading his foreword on Transmetropolitan. He wrote something in the sense that he uses his writing to let off all the vitriol so he can be pleasant around his loved ones.
To be clear: I think it's bad that people are so full of hate for each other. I don't think that hatred and the desire to see others suffer is sanctified just because the others voted for the wrong person for president or disagree with you about 6 issues out of 100 or whatever.
People can't always control what emotions they have about others, but they can process those emotions, and they can realize things on an intellectual level that are wiser than their emotional responses.
I should also say that I don't know what Ennis is like in real life, I only know him through his work and an interview or two.
First day on 4chins? He seems like the average Aussie shitposter.
Ennis is the best character writer in the history of comics and his dialogue is underrated, but he prefers to use his talents to write self-indulgent garbage. He CAN be good--even great--but would rather write trash, and DOES write trash at least 50% of the time.
Never. Twenty years ago I would've disagreed with him but he's been vindicated more and more as the years pass. A large chunk of the comic industry's problems can ultimately be traced back to the superhero genre.
Actually they can be traced back to crossovers, the comics code destroying most other genres, and a stagnant insistence on continuity nobody can properly access. Anyone who thinks the problem with western comics is "superheroes" in and of themselves is moronic, and basically the equivalent of saying something like "oh, I don't do KIDS STUFF like that anymore". He wants to pretend to be adult, but in reality is extremely immature.
>his obsession with evil superman
Are you thinking of someone else? Ennis loves Superman.
Did I say he disliked him? I'm referring to the entire crux of the Boys, which is "what if Superman was evil" on steroids. It's edgelord stuff.
Okay, now we're just arguing semantics.
The point is that Garth Ennis likes a handful of subjects: gore, reminding people that having to go to church on sunday is lame, and that it's okay to be capeshit so long as you are shooting the bad guy in the face. This makes him an edgelord.
>the comics code destroying most other genres
"Crime" and "Horror" do not equal "most other genres". How many times do you people have to be told this? Most other comic genres weren't even affected that much by the CCA, it was just those two.
Westerns and romance comics continued to be popular and successful well into the 60s. Any constraints the CCA imposed on them didn't do them any harm. The decline of Westerns in comics happens around the same time they start declining in popularity in movies and TV. For the decline of romance comics, the main audience was female, I don't know which way around things happened, whether girls stopped reading them in enough numbers to kill the genre or comics publishers abandoned them as an audience.
People don't even realize that when the CCA was created capes weren't even close to the most popular genre, it was comedy and sci-fi. The CCA predates the Silver Age and their rebirth.
I don't think he's a 'cretin', he's just a gen X edgelord. Yeah, his obsession with evil superman and his 00's era internet atheism is off-putting, but it's 2023 (THE CURRENT YEAR!) and all of his ideas are now cliche and thoroughly digested by modern pop culture. While he was a menace in past tense, I don't think he actually has any lasting impact whatsoever. People like him used to be dime a dozen, and now they are rightfully mocked.
I liked him when I was getting into comics a decade ago but now I’m more mature and I dislike all the edgelord shit, anti-Christianity and WW2 fetishism in his work, I bet he’s a fricking manchild butthole irl.
>Fetishizes WW2 while never having seen active duty himself >Constantly shits on Captain America, saying he's an embarrassment to actual war vets. >Ignores the fact that Cap was insanely popular with american soldiers and was a good way to keep morale up
Outside of Punisher MAX which is the only work of his I actually liked, Ennis is a gay.
shits on Captain America, saying he's an embarrassment to actual war vets.
the fact that Cap was insanely popular with american soldiers and was a good way to keep morale up
To be honest, I'll never understand why so many comic writers and artists think it's offensive that superheroes and superhumans actually affecting the world and human history of their reality is somehow offensive and rude to people in real life. Most of us know this is a fictional setting, and these fictional characters existing and changing their history and world that's different from ours isn't going to shock many.
Yeah, Captain America being a superhuman soldier would have totally changed the outcome of WW2. Spider-man and Reed Richards inventing technologies would probably advance their world decades ahead of our because they're the modern day Heron of Alexandria of their era.
I imagine for a lot of people it's simply awkward to think about. Setting aside the logical implications it'd have on the setting, or lack thereof, having fictional characters run around playing important roles in events that are within living history might seem weird to people since it's so easy to know the real story. But I think people who are vitriolic against it are little overbearing and rather disingenuous since not only did the comics of the times present capes as fighting in WW2, the WW2 presented in those comics was incredibly fantastical itself.
Sure, if Marvel released a book about the Avengers saving the day in Ukraine everyone would call it tonedeaf and out of touch. But if a Ukrainian comic creator released a book about Ukrainian supersoldiers fighting Russian mad scientists and their robotic minions, most people wouldn't have an issue.
There was an always something about Ennis that bugged but I could never put my finger on. That was until I read his early stuff. When Hellblazer during its early transition to Vertigo, that’s when I realized he’s actually pretty boring. He’s also terrible at long term storytelling and character building. When he has no editor to hold him back like they did in pre-Vertigo, the quality will spiral. It stops being a comic and starts being Garth Ennis projecting through said comics.
Probably the reason why the Boys, Punisher MAX and Preacher are infantile trash, and Hitman and early Ennisblazer is somewhat good.
Not really. Preacher is Ennis at his most Ennis and the Ennisher is Ennis metaphorically fellating bitter strong men characters without none of the cheese of the OG comics. Barracuda is the standout because he’s a shitpost.
I'll never get his WW2 fetishism. I mean, I'll never get why he's so bad at it: his war comics flat-out read like parodies and he constantly gets equipment, historical data and even slang wrong. If he loves so much WW2 why doesn't he know it better? It ain't hard, thousands of books and papers have been written on all subjects. It's like he gets a hard-on on writing Germans machinegunning people but can't be arsed to check when C4 was developed.
A mistery.
Preacher, where he just shrugs off Jesus and says that Jesus had to be a dick as well if God was, without even trying to explain why Jesus' sacrifice was propethized.
Thoug cretin is say too much. In the end, Ennis is just as intellectually worthwhile as your average comics book writer. He just stands out thanks to the shock value he is competent enough to pull off.
These. Literally just a published edgelord who got his foot in the door and got somewhere to write his soapbox.
instantly. hitman and preacher are some of the worst comics I had ever read. Also, crossed is the epitome of idiocy
When he didn't respect my super-favorite super hero characters! It really hurt my feelings!
I guess I haven't yet.
Hitman, Preacher, and Punisher MAX are still some of my favorite comics. Ennis writes camaraderie better than almost anyone in the business, and he has some really heartfelt moments even in his lesser works like The Boys.
you are a closet homosexual
you are an open heterosexual
Crossed issue one
I don't think he's a cretin, but I do sense a lot of contempt in his works, which disturbs me. But if he is overly contemptuous of others, he can't be criticzed too much for that, because it's endemic in our civilization.
To be clear: I think it's bad that people are so full of hate for each other. I don't think that hatred and the desire to see others suffer is sanctified just because the others voted for the wrong person for president or disagree with you about 6 issues out of 100 or whatever.
People can't always control what emotions they have about others, but they can process those emotions, and they can realize things on an intellectual level that are wiser than their emotional responses.
I should also say that I don't know what Ennis is like in real life, I only know him through his work and an interview or two.
I remember reading his foreword on Transmetropolitan. He wrote something in the sense that he uses his writing to let off all the vitriol so he can be pleasant around his loved ones.
First day on 4chins? He seems like the average Aussie shitposter.
Yeah but I don’t gotta pay to read Aussie shitposts
Crossed.
Ennis is the best character writer in the history of comics and his dialogue is underrated, but he prefers to use his talents to write self-indulgent garbage. He CAN be good--even great--but would rather write trash, and DOES write trash at least 50% of the time.
Never. Twenty years ago I would've disagreed with him but he's been vindicated more and more as the years pass. A large chunk of the comic industry's problems can ultimately be traced back to the superhero genre.
Actually they can be traced back to crossovers, the comics code destroying most other genres, and a stagnant insistence on continuity nobody can properly access. Anyone who thinks the problem with western comics is "superheroes" in and of themselves is moronic, and basically the equivalent of saying something like "oh, I don't do KIDS STUFF like that anymore". He wants to pretend to be adult, but in reality is extremely immature.
Did I say he disliked him? I'm referring to the entire crux of the Boys, which is "what if Superman was evil" on steroids. It's edgelord stuff.
>the Boys, which is "what if Superman was evil" on steroids
>It's edgelord stuff.
That's more the TV show than the comic. The comic is basically just porn and 2000s-era gross-out humor.
Okay, now we're just arguing semantics.
The point is that Garth Ennis likes a handful of subjects: gore, reminding people that having to go to church on sunday is lame, and that it's okay to be capeshit so long as you are shooting the bad guy in the face. This makes him an edgelord.
Regardless of that his two Ghost Rider miniseries were decent
>now we're just arguing semantics
No, we aren't. Ennis was not involved in the TV show.
>the comics code destroying most other genres
"Crime" and "Horror" do not equal "most other genres". How many times do you people have to be told this? Most other comic genres weren't even affected that much by the CCA, it was just those two.
Westerns were heavily affected, as were romance and even superheroes, in terms of what they could get away with.
Westerns and romance comics continued to be popular and successful well into the 60s. Any constraints the CCA imposed on them didn't do them any harm. The decline of Westerns in comics happens around the same time they start declining in popularity in movies and TV. For the decline of romance comics, the main audience was female, I don't know which way around things happened, whether girls stopped reading them in enough numbers to kill the genre or comics publishers abandoned them as an audience.
People don't even realize that when the CCA was created capes weren't even close to the most popular genre, it was comedy and sci-fi. The CCA predates the Silver Age and their rebirth.
>it was comedy and sci-fi
Horror and crime were much bigger than sci-fi. And comedy was just MAD.
I don't think he's a 'cretin', he's just a gen X edgelord. Yeah, his obsession with evil superman and his 00's era internet atheism is off-putting, but it's 2023 (THE CURRENT YEAR!) and all of his ideas are now cliche and thoroughly digested by modern pop culture. While he was a menace in past tense, I don't think he actually has any lasting impact whatsoever. People like him used to be dime a dozen, and now they are rightfully mocked.
>his obsession with evil superman
Are you thinking of someone else? Ennis loves Superman.
One series sure is obsession.
when i saw his chin photo
Never really liked him besides Punisher Max and This War of Mine. I genuinely think This War of Mine is the only good thing he's ever made.
>This War of Mine
wat
his third Fury MAX book
You mean My War Gone By.
When I read he was Irish
He hates the Irish.
I liked him when I was getting into comics a decade ago but now I’m more mature and I dislike all the edgelord shit, anti-Christianity and WW2 fetishism in his work, I bet he’s a fricking manchild butthole irl.
>Fetishizes WW2 while never having seen active duty himself
>Constantly shits on Captain America, saying he's an embarrassment to actual war vets.
>Ignores the fact that Cap was insanely popular with american soldiers and was a good way to keep morale up
Outside of Punisher MAX which is the only work of his I actually liked, Ennis is a gay.
shits on Captain America, saying he's an embarrassment to actual war vets.
the fact that Cap was insanely popular with american soldiers and was a good way to keep morale up
To be honest, I'll never understand why so many comic writers and artists think it's offensive that superheroes and superhumans actually affecting the world and human history of their reality is somehow offensive and rude to people in real life. Most of us know this is a fictional setting, and these fictional characters existing and changing their history and world that's different from ours isn't going to shock many.
Yeah, Captain America being a superhuman soldier would have totally changed the outcome of WW2. Spider-man and Reed Richards inventing technologies would probably advance their world decades ahead of our because they're the modern day Heron of Alexandria of their era.
I just don't see how that could offend anyone.
I imagine for a lot of people it's simply awkward to think about. Setting aside the logical implications it'd have on the setting, or lack thereof, having fictional characters run around playing important roles in events that are within living history might seem weird to people since it's so easy to know the real story. But I think people who are vitriolic against it are little overbearing and rather disingenuous since not only did the comics of the times present capes as fighting in WW2, the WW2 presented in those comics was incredibly fantastical itself.
Sure, if Marvel released a book about the Avengers saving the day in Ukraine everyone would call it tonedeaf and out of touch. But if a Ukrainian comic creator released a book about Ukrainian supersoldiers fighting Russian mad scientists and their robotic minions, most people wouldn't have an issue.
>I’m more mature
Incorrect
Eh, he's ok. Don't care about his personal opinions, just his output.
Crossed. Which was the second thing I read of his. So I was disillusioned very quickly.
When the Saint of Killers said "Needs more gun" I realized what vapid Gen X shit it all was.
If you hate him you're a homosexual who watches MCU goyslop. Simple 'as
That IDF puff piece
When I read batman: reptilian
I do like hitman and some of his other work though
There was an always something about Ennis that bugged but I could never put my finger on. That was until I read his early stuff. When Hellblazer during its early transition to Vertigo, that’s when I realized he’s actually pretty boring. He’s also terrible at long term storytelling and character building. When he has no editor to hold him back like they did in pre-Vertigo, the quality will spiral. It stops being a comic and starts being Garth Ennis projecting through said comics.
Probably the reason why the Boys, Punisher MAX and Preacher are infantile trash, and Hitman and early Ennisblazer is somewhat good.
Punisher and Preacher are better than Hitman though
Not really. Preacher is Ennis at his most Ennis and the Ennisher is Ennis metaphorically fellating bitter strong men characters without none of the cheese of the OG comics. Barracuda is the standout because he’s a shitpost.
Nah.
But I agree that PunisherMAX is better than that Anon says
MAX's reputation stems from about half of its story arcs. The other half is forgettable to bad.
They're all good
I think he's swell.
For the people that dislike or hate Ennis, who are favorite comic book creators? What are your favorite comics?
You wouldn't have heard of them
Try me.
I'm waiting.
I like Geoff Johns' Green Lantern run.
His comicbook the boys is his greatest work, he really nailed it, punisher is good too.
The Boys is on the lower end, his best comics are My War Gone By, Punisher MAX, and Trail of Tears
I'll never get his WW2 fetishism. I mean, I'll never get why he's so bad at it: his war comics flat-out read like parodies and he constantly gets equipment, historical data and even slang wrong. If he loves so much WW2 why doesn't he know it better? It ain't hard, thousands of books and papers have been written on all subjects. It's like he gets a hard-on on writing Germans machinegunning people but can't be arsed to check when C4 was developed.
A mistery.
He just likes war stories in general, his real love is clearly Vietnam
considering he pretty much doing those Battle Action strips for tuppence if he more say in what he did he would just do short war comics all the time
>capes good
>Ennis bad
This guy looks like he’d try to sell me on Preacher through its deep commentary of religion
>NO U
>>NO U
Somehow more intelligent than Ennis’ sense of humor.
You're a funny OP.
I suspect OP is the cretin here. Aside from that one anon. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID.
His Punisher run?
Also Punisher using Spidey as a punching bag to dodge a boob Russian
>t. seething spidergay
I still like Ennis 🙂
Ennis is the superior writer, but Kirby is the better artist.
I can’t Ennis’ war stories seriously because he never fought in a war.