Garth Ennis gets an extra year of life for every capeshitter that seethes at and is filtered by him lol
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Garth Ennis gets an extra year of life for every capeshitter that seethes at and is filtered by him lol
I ain't got nothing against Ennis but the seethe over superheroes (not named Supernobody) and the IRA is a bit odd.
Why is the Punisher based?
The hammer of justice is unisex.
>seethe
Projecting. All he ever does is say he doesn't like super hero comics because he never read their comics as a kid, and agrees that if he did read superhero comics as a kid, he'd be a fan.
>projecting
I'd say having his OC Billy Butcher beat up a Captain America expy (only for said expy to be changed into more of Captain America for the show and basically be the only reason to watch S3 of said show) shows he has a little seethe over superheroes like Captain America.
It is projecting. What you're doing is projecting. You're extrapolating the writer's intent based on nothing and projecting your own feelings onto the work to fill in the blanks. That's projecting.
Damn. Some people are just moronic.
You keep using that word like you finally learned its definition. Now look up in infer.
These guys are the best Cinemaphile has to offer.
Its not really worth arguing with morons
What you're doing is projecting.
This. He's still writing capeshit, his capes just wear trenchcoats and swear all the time
Is Postal capeshit?
Some shitty edgy game that Ennis fanboys read? Yeah. it is.
>game
>read
As capeshit as Punisher is, so yes
Punisher Max was fricking amazing and so was his version of Nick Fury
The one where Nick wakes up in bed with like.. 3 women? While Frank is off doing some black ops shit for him
The one where Nick Fury wants to beat the shit out of Barracuda but he knows he can't take him on because he is too old so he jumps him in the dark and bust his teeth is also great
>Barracuda
Any time he was on my screen I kept counting the pages till Frank or someone else bust his ass.
How is seethe against the IRA at all odd with him being a child who grew up during the troubles?
he projects it onto the whole of Ireland and on Irish republicanism.
Ennis is a self-hating Irishman who wishes he was English.
thats utter bullshit
Ennis was nowhere near the area where shit was happening
>punisher still has some loose respect for law and order
see, this is how you know Ennis gets the Punisher whereas the guy that did the ending runs of MAX really just thought of him as a psycho who needed an excuse.
But it evens out because he shaves off a year or two of his life every time he seethes over superheroes himself
fricking moron citydweller.
Is that supposed to be Ennis in the picture? It doesn't look like him.
Comic Billy Butcher
have a nice day.
All of (You) have a nice day.
You first
No, frick you.
You really are a brainless memeing homosexual, aren't you? So brain-rotted that all that's left inside your head is stock replies. have a nice day.
t. Capeshitter
>Butthurt little homosexual can't even type a sentence.
KWAB sit your ass down.
t. capeshitter
>PUNISHER MAX WAS F*CKING AMAZINGGGGGGGG
Yes,it was.
>wojak
opinion immediately disregarded
redditor
What's your problem with Ennis again?
He has written some of my favorite comics.
Like Vivziepop, he's basically a teenager that never grew up and makes incredibly immature works.
>Vivziepop
I don't know what this is.
>he's basically a teenager that never grew up and makes incredibly immature works.
So that's an excuse to regress into infancy and throw constant tantrums?
Is Ennis the homosexual edgelord or is that Ellis?
Both and Ennis is edgier
Wouldn't a Punisher in a world with acquirable superpowers acquire superpowers? For the mission?
The the Boys comic was any good they would have used it as more than a rough outline for the show
by that logic Watchmen, Preacher, League of extraordinary gentlemen, etc. are all awful comics.
I dont even like the boys that much but this is moronic
>Watchmen
Stayed as true to the comics as it could until the last minute when they decided a giant space squid would be harder to explain than just making Manhattan the villain. The TV series was Watchmen in name only and had nothing to do with the comics.
>Preacher
Never watched it, so you might have a point here.
>League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
That one was just an awful movie, comics be damned.
>Stayed as true to the comics as it could
No, it changed a bunch of shit even before the ending.
This is the guy who Wrote The boys? I don't know what's his deal but that ending was awful, but Awful enough to instantly make me hate the whole series.
The ending of the comic was good. It was one of the few parts I liked.
For me it's the complete opposite, I had a few things I liked on the comic (not my favorite thing ever but I could enjoy it) and that ending made he feel like I wasted my time reading this shit.
Few times you get that "I wish I never started reading this garbage" feeling
To me it paid off because most of what I cared about was Butcher and Hughie.
Garth Ennis just likes making fun of superheroes. His mentor Pat Mills fricking HATES them and wrote a whole screed about how their a homosexual fascist fantasy the same year Watchmen came out.
And yet he apparently respects Jim Lee and was willing to do crossovers with Marvel/DC at times (with a Batman crossover being recently cancelled)
Can you really blame him?
I love superheroes but good grief
This comic is more fun than most "fun" cape books.
Bitches by like "I hate capeshit!" and then spend the next two decades of their career writing superhero funnybooks and pretending they're not.
>No but see like, in my story they're not really heroes, and they swear and have anal sex and blow up heads!
Right. So, you wrote a dark, adult superhero story. I don't care if Superman fricks men in the ass, if he's still got a costume and superpowers, it's still a superhero comic.
Preacher?
His war comics?
Crossed?
He only did capeshit sans The Boys just for the pay
The Boys is capes. He's written plenty of non-cape stuff, but it's impossible to deny he did a lot of cape stuff too
>sans The Boys
And even then that his middle finger to the whole genre (which is funny because the show created an overlap between fans of the show and capeshitters)
Don't forget about The Pro. I'm sure there are other wacky "superhero parody" books from him.
Ennis himself describes The Boys less as a critique of superheroes and more just another interpretation of "what if they were real and a total fricking nightmare?" There's definitely a lot of shitting on corporate media companies and the commercialization of the genre, but it feels more like a grim take on celebrity culture and them military industrial complex.
Also, I don't care what any brit says: Judge Dread is a cape book.
>Judge Dread is a cape book.
Isn't that like saying Robocop is a cape series?
Kind of. Though I'd say Robocop fits more into the traditional superhero category because he's an unambiguously good guy in a crappy society. Whereas Judge Dredd is just a "less bad" part of an even worse society.
At what point do we make a distinction between "superhero/villain" and "just a guy with powers"?
What are the rules?
To be a cape character, you need:
>A costume
>A motif
>Special abilities
The Punisher is a superhero, but Charles Bronson in Deathwish is not.
What truly makes a story a "Cape" story. I know the difference between capeshit and capekino is whether I like it or not.
inFamous is considered a superhero game even by the devs yet Cole MacGrath doesn't have a costume
The heroes in Heroes don't have costumes yet it was a popular show among capeshitters (until Season 2 happened)
>A costume
>A motif
>Special abilities
All of these descriptions could be accurately applied to Jason Voorhees and Pinhead. I guess if you wanna grasp at straws you could call them supervillain movies, but it doesn't really fit.
Maybe it's just a feeling thing. If it "feels" like a cape story, it is. If it feels like it, it is. If it it doesn't, it isn't. Stories like Robocop and Judge Dredd tread a very fine line.
Fricking Hell, even Alan Moore doesn't consider Hellboy capeshit
My gut says Hellboy isn't a cape story, but I could see either side of the argument.
Hellboy is definitely a cape comic.
The whole superhero thing is too loaded with specificity as a genre. Back in the Will Eisner days they'd call them "Costumed Adventurers" as a catch-all that included superheroes, vigilantes, space cops, Tarzan rip-offs, basically any non-historical work in which a dude dressed weird. Eisner would definitively call Hellboy a superhero because superhero basically meant it wasn't a western and it wasn't about old israelites roaming the Bronx
Being connected to/inspired by an unambiguous cape franchise is part of it. The Punisher is a product of the cape institution whereas the average vigilante movie is just a product of the action movie institutions.
Pretty much
Take Frank out of the Marvel Universe and he'd be on par with the likes of John Wick or Max Payne
Hell, I've seen people who detest superheroes adore Punisher MAX
By that token, how many characters could be taken our of their shared universes, altered a bit, and become non-cape stories? Could Wonder Woman become Diane, Warrior Princess? Could Batman become Agent Bruce Wayne? Could Superman become Clark Kent: Space Explorer?
One of the things I wish Marvel and DC would explore when adapting their characters to video games and anime is to go with the characters with the most appeal to those not into superheroes
Plenty of people don't know The Darkness' game was adapted from a Top Cow superhero comic
Alan Moore
Is a toxic love/hate relationship with superheroes just a British thing?
Alan Moore was a pretty hardcore capeshitter, but it was beat out of him over time.
Moore loves superheroes and he's pretty chill in interviews
He just despises what the industry has become and I'm pretty sure cranky old man Moore at this point is kayfabe
*interviews that aren't involved with the press
Moore doesn't have capeshit, he hates the industry that didn't/doesn't try to do anything new with it while abusing his fellow writers who produce products that people actually praise. See: the Watchmen sequels and making Manhattan a character for another Batman crossover event. That shit has zero artistic merit, no deeper purpose than "remember THIS character? Well now Batman is meeting him isn't that super awesome?!".
Why are there two Ennis threads?