I really like Gattaca, but there's something... incongruent about how the message of the movie is - overcome your physical limitations, the human spirit matters more than any genetic defect or what others say you can or can't do - but also if you're a crippled guy you're fricking useless, have a nice day for the protagonist who's able to walk unlike you, fricking scum, *spit* *spit*
If this is what you got from the movie, shut the frick up and watch it again until you get it, low-brain-activity scum.
How am I wrong, though
I'm being hyperbolic but the movie does treat the cripple as disposable to help the protagonists dream, which does seem counter to the central message of the movie
use your words instead of your wojaks and insults and tell me how I'm wrong
I told you to watch it again to get it yourself, i'm not spoon-feeding you, i'm not your mum
Totally and utterly shocked, anon. Not transparent at all. Maybe a few more mean words can cover your tracks.
You've got nothing. You know I'm right and it upset you like a baby. Simple as.
Yeah whatever you say champ. Look at me covering my tracks by just not replying to you anymore on this anonymous imageboard.
>im not replying to you anymore.
But you just replied to him to tell him you won’t be replying. You must be a brain cripple.
It's not about the Young Pope being crippled, it's about him being a genetically superior being who couldn't live up to the standards set up for him so he chose to kill himself. It's not that he was disposable. He wanted to prove a point, that the least of us are still capable of doing great things.
I actually agree with you OP. The evil government won't give anyone weak and sick a chance, and our hero going to fight that by ... actually being in top physical condition?
Completely invalidates its own message.
>No,no. I got the better end of the deal. I only lent you my body. You lent me your dream.
Kino
Uma's not hot
>you can do anything you set your heart to (pun not intended)
>even if it means putting the lives of dozens of crew members in danger when your heart fails mid mission
The cripple is only portrayed like that because he's a sad Susan at that point. Before the accident, guy was a 10/10 and rich. Although, I'm sure most cripples are seen as trash considering how jobs and such are given out. I don't think we see any other cipples so idk.
>overcome your physical limitations, the human spirit matters more than any genetic defect or what others say you can or can't do
Only if you're willing to push yourself to overcome your limitations. Vincent spends his entire life overcoming his defects to achieve his dream, while Jerome immediately resigns himself to be a sad sack of shit the instant he gets crippled. The fact you missed this despite it being the entire dichotomy between the two just makes me think you're terminally moronic
Jerome immediately resigned himself to be useless because the writers wrote him that way because they needed his body to discard for the protagonist
They say it directly
The dreams of a person who can walk are more valuable than the body and life of a cripple
Can the cripple ever overcome? Does he get to inspire? Does he have a spirit? No, get the frick in the gas chamber gimpy.
>character is the way he is because he was written that way for the plot to happen
Woah, such deep and insightful commentary.
>because the writers wrote him that way
... are you seriously moronic?
>Can the cripple ever overcome? Does he get to inspire? Does he have a spirit? No, get the frick in the gas chamber gimpy.
Yes, he could, but he chooses not to, you FRICKING moron
Right because the writers wrote him not too because they don't care about cripples, they view them as worth less than the dreams of the able bodied, my entire point, thank you
>Jerome immediately resigned himself to be useless because the writers wrote him that way
Peak moron moment
they needed a perfect genetic specimen that somehow did nothing all day. I guess it wasn't perfect that he was a gimp.
>Only if you're willing to push yourself to overcome your limitations.
Dude people are fricking paraplegics. They have horrible debilitating diseases. They have no arms. I have type 1 diabetes so I need to inject insulin 3 times a day or I die.
Some things you just can't overcome no matter how hard you want to. Sometimes an hero is just better than living.
It's all about perspective. Jerome put all his worth into his physical prowess because that is what he was literally made for. When he lost that, he had nothing. Vincent was made for nothing, so he could create his own worth.
What did you like about gattaca?
>just cheat the system you think is unfair
wow
Absolutely. Impose your will on the world, dont be a homosexual
>gene edit the child to also have great willpower and determination on top of other abilities
What now humanitygays?
>there is no gene for the human spirit
>except these ones
Jerome was living vicariously through Vincent. When Vincent achieved his dreams Jerome had nothing left to live for. It's not that Jerome couldn't have done great things, rather, he was content with his life & wanted to end things on his own terms. He would have killed himself long before then if he had not met Vincent
the crippled guy killed himself because water polo or whatever was his sole purpose in life, he was genetically designed, born and trained for that one purpose, his sole value was that one purpose
in the end it wasn't his paralysis that drove him to suicide but this society that only values people for their abilities
I'm so fricking tired of watching idiots debate the messages, morals and points of stories. Just shut the frick up and take it at face value. Seriously. You're all so fricking stupid. I hate you. I'm tired of subtext, tired of metatext, tired of contextual societal liberal arts bullshit.
What happened is what happened. There is no deeper meaning.
peak boomer mentality
sup Stephen.
Gattaca needed a better title... perhaps "The Triumph of the Will"?
It's a great story, that Vincent would have had to take to the grave, never able to tell anyone
Maybe "The Greatest Story Never Told"?
The Spirit of Man
or
The Unbroken (soul)
personally i like gattica
The movie is all about Vincent's struggle to overcome his limits. Maybe something like "My Struggle"?
isnt it about beind borderline insane to survive in a twisted system
lmao
I'd have just called it Invalid if I had to pick another name, but I like Gattaca
a rare moment of Cinemaphile brilliance
>he drowned its his fever dream while he drowns he saved nothing for the way back
That character's suicide is not portrayed as any sort of positive say. He is completely without motivation or meaning in his life without his perfect body. He temporarily adopts the cause of the protagonist as they become friends, but as soon as he no longer has the voyeuristic sense of meaning of enabling someone else's dream, he falls into despair and kills himself in the same furnace reserved for all of the protagonists dead and useless skin cells and hair, dead flesh. The crippled man sees himself as mere dead flesh because he has no animus or motivation to give his life meaning. He is the opposite of the m.c. who has a body which is considered crippled by defect, but through his extraordinary willpower and motivation overcomes all obstacles and literally ascends to the stars.
Bro, Vincent had to pretend to be Eugene. Eugene's life in that society is over; that's the point. Though it is weird that they lump together disability via accident with disability via genetic deficiency (Eugene for example would still be a very desirable partner genetically).
He killed himself because Vincent was basically living his life for him at that point and he felt better off dead than further hampering him. He helped him achieve his, and what became his own, dream.
For me, aside from the obvious and heavy handed messaging about genetic discrimination, the film also highlights that people don't try to push beyond their limits now. Everyone is born knowing their capability, and no one questions it. There is no room for innovation or novel approaches.
The swimming race is a good example. Vincent's brother almost drowns and vincent has to save him, despite gassing himself in order to win. This actually happens in rats; if you give a rat hope, it will swim for literally hours longer, beyond the point of exhaustion, than a rat who has no hope. Vincent's brother "knows" he is beyond his limits and has no hope of surviving. Vincent has that hope, and is able to push himself harder and further because of it.
obviously a reddit refugee.
You're fricking moronic
OP is completely right, it doesn't matter how strong willed or positive thinking the cripple is, he's fricked.
This movie was boring. I nearly fell asleep halfway through
He isn’t suicidal because he’s crippled. He’s suicidal because he knows he was the best possible version of himself to compete in the Olympics and he still lost! Olympians in our world can take the hit of a loss and train and still have a shot at gold in four years. He knows no matter what, the guy who beat him will always be better than him. That’s why he threw himself in front of a car!
Take the hitlerpill on eugenics.
Maybe I'm just moronic but was it really a good idea to let a guy with a dangerous heart condition navigate a deep space flight? Even if it was his dream or whatever it seems kind of irresponsible and selfish to put everyone else on board in danger.
Never mind that, you can't be a pilot or a firefighter if you are blind as a bat and wear contacts, let alone a fricking astronaut.
You're a brainlet. Have a twitter thread.
https://x.com/_Rian_Stone/status/1760374671180996737?s=20
Are there any black people in this movie about genetic perfection?
The problem OP is talking about is that Eugene's "limitations" aren't all that limiting. It's just some genetic mumbo jumbo that doesn't really affect him