>Gee, I sure wonder who could possibly be the Robin leading Dick Grayson's team, including Dick Grayson's love interest, to fight Dick Grayson's arch-enemy and who was shown using Dick Grayson's other identity in the future episode
I know it's been more than 20 years, but were people just moronic to have had to debate this?
Wait, isn't Robin his name? But I saw it in Nolan's film.
TTGo confirms it's Dick multiple times over
How bout I confirm your dick multiple times.
You'd like that wouldn't you
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Ok Nerd
Dick is the only robin that's ever mattered
That is until Flashpoint happened, and DC and Warner started shitting on the character's head in every way possible.
Tim was in the Timmverse
Jason got a push when he became Red Hood
Damian is in a bunch of Bat media
damian is more forced than miles
DC keeps trying to make Damian a thing but it never works, he has no organic appeal except maybe as a counterpart to Dickbats
his organic appeal is that he's a blood son instead of "some kid"(as normies perceive it) he "forces" to be Robin
It's amazing how many of the DCAMU movies were made solely to suck Damian's wiener.
You think after the second one getting panned they would've stopped but they just kept going.
I'm a fan of that type of character (little bratty rich boy always making sarcastic comments) but I can see why people don't like him as Robin, and the fact that Batman had a secret son he didn't know about who was being trained as a child prodigy is one of those plot contrivances that make people hate comic book writing.
>Batman had a secret son he didn't know about who was being trained as a child prodigy is one of those plot contrivances that make people hate comic book writing.
It's been going on since the 60s, at least, people should've gotten used to it by now
They should give him a love interest with mind reading powers that's raised by a Checkmate agent and an Ex-League of Assassins member
DCAU Tim was Jason.
Normies don't know and don't care. They just go by the name.
I thought they changed his name to Ric
Back then, some people thought it was in the DCAU. This Dick wouldn't have fit in with the BTAS timeline. They said that Tim Robin was with the Titans during a Static Shock episode. so people were arguing that this Robin had to be Tim. The debate was ended by that one episode where they go to the future and Robin is nightwing. Eventually people came to accept that Teen Titans was not DCAU/Timmverse. IIRC now people try to put it in the same universe as The Batman.
Trying to fit it in the DCAU seems really fricking dumb, but I think I could see people doing that when it was first coming out
Not the anon you're responding to, but yeah at the time people almost assumed it had to be part of the DCAU just because of how much of a juggernaut it was. Why make a DC property that WASN'T part of the DCAU when you could ride off of names like Justice League and Batman TAS? At least that was the thought process at the time.
You're right, it's obviously in the Batman '04 timeline.
>same universe as The Batman.
That would be pretty cool actually.
Funny thing is, for it to be DCAU, it'd have to be before most of BTAS, since Dick is in college by BTAS and he's younger in TT.
2003 was a different time.
Tim Drake was the Robin leading Dick Grayson's team made up of Dick Grayson's friends and Dick Grayson's love interest. DC's EiC talked openly about wanting to cut open Dick Grayson's life, carve Dick Grayson out, and let Tim wear it like a generic Robin suit.
Comic "journalists" were writing think pieces about how Dick Grayson was completely irrelevant and how Tim Drake had supplanted him in every way that mattered.
Off topic, but how in the frick did DiDio become EiC? He was only at the company for 2 years. What’s the story there?
Didio came in as an exec.
He had a background in television and that's like gold in the comic field. Bro was doing publicity for fricking soap operas before DC(to be fair, he was also at Mainframe working on Reboot and yes, Beast Machines, for a while)
Larry's name was also Nosyarg Kcid.
Larry gave away the goods back in 2004
Because no one who watches superhero cartoons actually read comics. Those morons assumed it was Tim because "uh Tim was Robin in TNBA and robin has spikey hair in both so same character"
Because batfamilygays don't read anything other than batfamily comics and thus don't know what Dick was like in New Teen Titans. Because TT03 Robin is literally just a slightly more hotheaded version of NTT Dick. I say slightly because NTT Dick was an butthole. The only thing Tim contributed was the bo staff and pants.
And Timgays are moronic and don't realize Tim's character changed in the comics partially BECAUSE of the cartoon. The 2003 volume was an attempt at synergy, hence them putting Gar, Kory, Vic, and Raven back on a team with Teen in the title and ultimately deaging Raven. He alo partially changed because Didio was obsessed with emulating marvel so he made the YJ core four edgier and darker.
Tim is YJ and his solo was absolutely NOTHING like how TT03 Robin was... until after the show started airing.
TT 03 Robin is Dick AND acts like Dick
The Batman Robin is Dick but acts like Jason
Young Justice Robin is Dick but acts like Tim
They all act like Dick, dude.
Dick is 80+ years old, I promise you he's had every characterization Jason and Tim have had before they even got their characterizations
They all act like Dick. TT03 is just Dick without Donna to call him out on his shit. The Batman is pretty accurate to how Loeb or Dixion depicted him. YJ is just Dick if he was made the baby of the titans.
>YJ is just Dick if he was made the baby of the titans.
NOOOOOO HE'S TIM BECAUSE HE'S GOOD WITH COMPUTERS AND SMART AHHHHH
Dick is from 1940. He's only allowed to use rotary phones and telegraph.
Jason is from 1980s. He can have floppy disks and pay phones.
Tim is smart, he's a modern radical kid just like you and me in the year 1993. He alone gets smartphones, fiber-optic internet, drones, and touchscreens.
Damian is like a medieval Bedouin, right? He gets swords I guess. I have no idea how he redesigned and contrsucted a flying Batmobile all by himself, he must've gotten Tim to do it for him.
Underrated post.
The only interesting question here is about the identity of Red X. Everyone says it’s Jason but I think it’s Grant Wilson.
More like one of those Deathstroke robots that got a bit too smart for its own good.
And it couldn’t possibly be Grant? Because they already featured Rose in the comics and Jericho in the show, there’s clear thematic parallels between Raven/Jericho with their fathers being villains. I could absolutely see them using Grant due to his connection to Slade for a foil to Robin, a dark twist on the Batman/Robin dynamic.
I don't think the show's creators ever worried about that. The importance of Red X is not who he is behind the mask. Giving him a name would be as wrong as giving an origin for the Joker... oh
The crew personally thought it was Jason, but they weren't interested in creating backstory for Red X because it's not the kind of show that worries about that.
Red X is literally the suit itself come to life because of the energy source it uses. The big giveaway is that he broke OUT out the vault.
He's Dick, Jason, and Tim rolled into one moron
People weren't moronic for having the idea, since he was a kid and Batman said "Robin is with the Titans" in that episode of Static Shock
However, the people that still thought it after that episode where Raven goes into his mind and sees two trapeze artists dying are turbo moronic
>Gets his power ring from a dying Abin Sur
>fights Sinestro
>Wears a standard GL uniform
Ah yes. Kyle Rayner
>Street kid with a criminal dad
>not too much of a standout in intelligence, but has a heart of gold
>Gets abducted and tortured by the Joker
Yeah, that's Tim Drake!
>Police scientist
>Has his own museum
>Founding member of the Justice League
Why of course, Wally West!
See where I'm going with this? The DCAU got people used to this.
Also, the Things Change girl was confirmed to be Terra
Now, all that issue actually proved is that Beast Boy didn't hallucinate her. They don't know it's Terra any more than just also agreeing she looks like her.
It's Damian Wayne, pretending to be Dick Grayson
>"well we thought that TT cartoon Robin is Tim because of his serious personality and pants like the comics"
>"I mean we thought it was a crossover with the BTAS Robin"
>"yeah BTAS Tim Drake the second Robin rebellious homeless thief with an aggressive streak adopted by Bruce Wayne from Crime Alley and famously tortured by the Joker. obviously that Tim Drake"
He had pants.
Hell, I'm still trying to figure out why Slade had Eastern ritalistic magic powers (and a matching outfit) for all of one episode. Which Robin was on the show is easy by comparison.
Oh, that's just how shows are when they are trying to get their footing, throwing a bunch of stuff to see what sticks
Same reason Wintergreen was there for one episode and then disappeared
You know what, anon? You're right and thank you for reminding me of that.
>Got sick of the Bat and made his own team
>Literally went Tower of Babel on his team
Kino.
>Robin is Dick Grayson
But who was Slade?
Slade
I had no idea that "Slade" was a given first name as a kid, I thought it was just a cool sounding word for a villian.
Starfire wants to frick him, Raven wants to frick him, Deathstroke wants to frick him, of course it's Dick.
Yeah, it's really weird that the show was so averse to the secret identities.
And yes, this Robin is very obviously Dick. Just like how Red X is obviously Jason. There's literally no one else who makes sense.
You imply the show even acknowledged there was other Robins to begin with as far as most people at the time knew or cared there's one Robin and there's only ever been one Robin.
How can Red X possibly be Jason if Dick is still Robin?
The most likely options: one of Slade's robots, the suit itself, one of Slade's children or a clone of Robin. There is no way the show's creators had Jason in mind.