Genuinely Good Parts in Mid/Shit Movies

>"The World's still the same"
>"There's just less in it.."

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    They also cut out jack’s backstory

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah and that fricks up a bunch of other continuity in the film as well lol.
      Honestly with as fricking message driven as Hollywood is these days i'm surprised they didn't include it but maybe that be to
      >"white savior"
      for modern execs.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah and that fricks up a bunch of other continuity in the film as well lol.
      Honestly with as fricking message driven as hollywood is these days i'm surprised they didn't include it but maybe that be to
      >"white savior"
      for modern execs.

      pic related

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Well that’s kinda fricking mind blowing…

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        when was this ever mentioned to be canon? and by whom?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Its in the young adult Novels disney and also an extended scene from world's end.
          Its how jack became a pirate, the backstory with becket, why becket burned the ship (turning it black) and sinking it to the bottom of the ocean.
          Why Jack had to make the deal with jones to raise it up again.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Would have been so fricking kino to se this in The theater

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I never saw the pirate movies when they came out, I started watching them because my sister likes them and they are quite comfortable ,silly but comfortable. The films are not trying to be a lecture on machismo or anything like that and they also have a great sense of adventure.I like Jack's quote about problems.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why would they cut that? It honestly put everything together and turns Jack from a wacky character to interestingly damned antihero all in 30 second

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Se

              Yeah i mean thats probably why they didn't include the extended exchange with becket (sadly)
              IRL deciding to free a bunch of slaves doesn't automatically make you a perfect person.
              Jack was the sort of person who (when his back was to the wall) was absolutely willing to frick over 100 innocents to keep himself from a 100 years on the dutchmen. BUT when he had the opportunity to free a bunch of slaves all things being equal (AND getting to steal an extremely speedy ship in the process) was happy to take the opportunity.
              Thats the sort of nuance and complexity hollywood REAAAALLLY doesn't want around character who frees slaves lol.
              They really want that character to be black and white morally virtuous without question.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                But doesn't uplift the actual historical people who died for their antislavery beliefs?

                A good chunk of the union were quaker and shaker style New England protestants who actually bled out all over fields in america over believing the all men are created equal bit.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I mean I agree with you dude.
                I think it makes Jack far more interesting as a character and would have LOVED to se it in the film.
                Sadly Disney didn't have the balls for it (at least not on screne) and so all we get is the cannon we can get from extended scenes and the books.
                I mean the bright side is at least next time you watch the films knowing this it gives more meaning and depth to alot of the plot points with Jack in it.
                Makes for a more kino rewatch (when you get the time)

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >PIRATES COULD BE HERE, HE THOUGHT

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              To complex and heavey for "le funny pirate man movie" honestly.
              One of the sad things about the pirates movies honestly that you se past 3 (and unvoidably past 4) is that they Disney never REALLY believed in the project.
              You have some talented actors and directors who made what could have been a really great series but they were stonewalled by the studio left and right eventually concluding with the cluster frick of
              >FRICK CONTINUITY!!!
              we got in 5.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                This
                They could have been actually good movies if anyone but Disney made them

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Disney is just moronic its 30 seconds that would have added depth for the adults in the families and gave actual weight to the series and had no overall impact to the tone.

                "People ain't cargo mate" is a good line and turns Jack into an interesting character study in 30 seconds if you take the time to think about it, otherwise it just washes over the audience.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Disney is just moronic its 30 seconds that would have added depth for the adults in the families and gave actual weight to the series and had no overall impact to the tone.
                >"People ain't cargo mate" is a good line and turns Jack into an interesting character study in 30 seconds if you take the time to think about it, otherwise it just washes over the audience.
                Agreed
                Also gives extra context to the words jack says back in Curse of the Black Pearl
                >"The Black Pearl is Freedom.."
                almost like it was supposed to be an underlying theme of the entire series....

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah i mean thats probably why they didn't include the extended exchange with becket (sadly)
              IRL deciding to free a bunch of slaves doesn't automatically make you a perfect person.
              Jack was the sort of person who (when his back was to the wall) was absolutely willing to frick over 100 innocents to keep himself from a 100 years on the dutchmen. BUT when he had the opportunity to free a bunch of slaves all things being equal (AND getting to steal an extremely speedy ship in the process) was happy to take the opportunity.
              Thats the sort of nuance and complexity hollywood REAAAALLLY doesn't want around character who frees slaves lol.
              They really want that character to be black and white morally virtuous without question.

              It's because Britain never engaged in slave trade

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                How the frick do you think slaves got to the American colonies dude??

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                So Becket was funding slavery with his own money from embezzling from the crown. Done.
                Solved.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                It’s silly since the Brit’s were definitely I. The slave trade in the 1730s but yeah
                There’s plenty of ways to explain it

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                This is one of the most idiotic things I've read in my entire life.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                and I suppose Africa didn't either

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          "People aren't cargo"

          Its subtle but its there

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        in real life, England sent out her navy and privateers to hunt down israelite slaver ships which were treated the same way as pirates.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          In the early 1700s dude?
          when its colonies in virginia were still actively importing new slaves enmasse??

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Never underestimate the mental gymnastics of the chud who is desperate to wash his ancestors' hands clean of the blood they have.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            The Dutch pretend like none of this happened and still stick their nose up at everyone else.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          The slave trading act wasn't passed until 1807.
          As far as I'm aware Britain didn't start sending out the Royal Navy to cease slave rading vessels flying under any flags other than the British until the other great powers gave them permission to do so at the congress of Vienna.
          So you'e a bit fricking off there.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >refuses to deliver slaves because "people aren't cargo, mate"
        >proceeds to recruit 100 men to sell into slavery to davy jones
        I guess all principles go out the window when your soul is at risk

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Its easy to be a good man till you have to pay for it

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah i mean thats probably why they didn't include the extended exchange with becket (sadly)
          IRL deciding to free a bunch of slaves doesn't automatically make you a perfect person.
          Jack was the sort of person who (when his back was to the wall) was absolutely willing to frick over 100 innocents to keep himself from a 100 years on the dutchmen. BUT when he had the opportunity to free a bunch of slaves all things being equal (AND getting to steal an extremely speedy ship in the process) was happy to take the opportunity.
          Thats the sort of nuance and complexity hollywood REAAAALLLY doesn't want around character who frees slaves lol.
          They really want that character to be black and white morally virtuous without question.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Jack never planned to honor any deal made with Jones just prolong the inevitable or find a shortcut out of his predicament. He genuinely forgot about his first bargain then tried to get the key, tried to weasel his way out by saying “well I wasnt captain because a mutiny happened 2 years after” and then he tried to get a few days worth of time to find the heart and blackmail Jones into leaving him alone. If he had the heart during the climax Jones wouldnt have thought of attacking him with cannons or the kraken because having an exposed heart potentially torn apart by cannon fire or a monster is not a smart move.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I mean look dude i generally agree more with you on Jack then the other anon you were talking to but do you really think if shit had gone sideways and he didn't have to leave gibs/his crew/elisabeth ALL behind that he would have risked his neck to save will from the Dutchmen???
            Like he is a morally mixed man even if you think his soul ultimately falls on the right side of the ledger.
            People can do all sorts of things when pushed there by fear and Jack was no exception; sending will abord the dutchmen in the first place was obviously risking Will's life.

            >OH MY GOD
            >THERES NOTHING LEFT

            Jesus yeah man,
            forgot about this one

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Jack seems to do whats right ultimately but hes still a pirate whos manipulative and out for himself as a priority. You forget Will screwed him over plenty of times in the first POTC but he also knows Will is a better swordsman than most pirates.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                No i get it man,
                He wasn't sending a fricking cub scout in there to get merked.
                But still, risking wills life to save his own that checks for him.
                To be clear I also think Jack values different people to different degrees, I think he cares alot more for Gibs and Elizabeth in particular then he lets on and also feels some duty to his crew as a captain.
                Will he also guilt over from him and his Dad Bill being friends but I think as you se in the first movie he's one of the few he is least worried about.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >killing englishmen and pillaging and razing towns is just good ol' pirate fun BUT DON'T YOU DARE DO A ROICISM

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          When did Jack do any of that?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I don't get why they'd make the villain less racist and it gives Jack a convincing reason to do something that risk his soul, and once the debt comes due a reason to betray his values.

          I guess they wouldn't want a hero who when his back is up against the wall makes the same choice as the villian, but again the whole series is him atoning for that betrayal of his values.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I guess they wouldn't want a hero who when his back is up against the wall makes the same choice as the villian, but again the whole series is him atoning for that betrayal of his values.
            doesn't even matter since he goes back and gets vored by the kraken anyway. It would just be a bait and switch to show he REALLY didn't betray his values in the end. He was even willing to be the ghost ships captain for eternity and save will's ass.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah but to be fair he was probably willing to let will rot on this ship if necessity called for it.
              He also didn’t voluntarily allow the kcracken to eat him (Elizabeth chained him to the mast)) to save his friends he just decided he wasn’t gona steal their only life boat

              This.

              Genuinely one of the funniest scenes in any of the movies

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            This.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >price?
              >*PpPp*

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              well it makes a little more sinister knowing where the 100 number came from and honestly more demonic. He made a deal to save people with the devil, and now the devil is making him go against his own morality to unbreak it undoing all the good he sold his soul for. Far more faustian this way and you get a sense of evil trying to break a good man.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                True as well.
                That understanding of Jones as "the devil" also makes this scene alot cooler as well.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well it makes sense as Davey Jones is a manifestation of the devil in the oceanic abyss in real folklore.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >implying they would be grateful

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        wtf actually kino

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I honestly thought those people were just being voodoo weirdos.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Same honestly lol
          Thought they were just people who folllowed Tia dalma or some shit
          Tears on their faces make more sense now…

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why are they called African Americans if they’re being shipped from Africa and have never been to America before

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        PotC3 was good and I'm tired of pretending that it's not.

        >refuses to deliver slaves because "people aren't cargo, mate"
        >proceeds to recruit 100 men to sell into slavery to davy jones
        I guess all principles go out the window when your soul is at risk

        Yeah i mean thats probably why they didn't include the extended exchange with becket (sadly)
        IRL deciding to free a bunch of slaves doesn't automatically make you a perfect person.
        Jack was the sort of person who (when his back was to the wall) was absolutely willing to frick over 100 innocents to keep himself from a 100 years on the dutchmen. BUT when he had the opportunity to free a bunch of slaves all things being equal (AND getting to steal an extremely speedy ship in the process) was happy to take the opportunity.
        Thats the sort of nuance and complexity hollywood REAAAALLLY doesn't want around character who frees slaves lol.
        They really want that character to be black and white morally virtuous without question.

        >I guess all principles go out the window when your soul is at risk
        1. He didn't end up going through with it
        2. PotC 2's Jack arc was him faltering, not knowing what he wanted, and letting his fear cause him to frick up. This is what culminates to him returning to the Black Pearl when the Kraken attacks. It makes sense for him to be considering turning his back on the principles he had when he was a young idealistic captain.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >African Americans

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous
        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          they could have left most of the wrest out but that 30 seconds should have stayed

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          why would Jack even accept the contract if he were going to break it? he's never been a do gooder like that

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            he ended up witht he fastest chip in the caribean...

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              he could have gotten a slightly slower ship, fulfilled normal contracts and not have to deal with being branded a pirate, the company chasing him, dealing with undead sea monster people wanting his soul, and munity

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Jack has always been a "Do something, worry about consequences later" kinda guy in spur of the moment shit. He liked the Pearl and it was one of the best ships in the Caribbean, taking the deal seemed like the best option at the time.

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The scenes with the ships in the ice in the same movie are also great

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      lmao
      True.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous
  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    PoC don't like to admit white men sacrificed themselves for them to be seen as human.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This to to some extent

      I mean I agree with you dude.
      I think it makes Jack far more interesting as a character and would have LOVED to se it in the film.
      Sadly Disney didn't have the balls for it (at least not on screne) and so all we get is the cannon we can get from extended scenes and the books.
      I mean the bright side is at least next time you watch the films knowing this it gives more meaning and depth to alot of the plot points with Jack in it.
      Makes for a more kino rewatch (when you get the time)

      >pic
      Holly shit
      Yet another fricking part of those movies I never got lmao

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >From the time of Alexander the Great, no man could travel faster than the horse that carried him. Not anymore. Imagine: time and space under the mastery of man - whoever controls this, controls the future!

    Most Bruckheimer flicks have a few genuinely profound moments sprinkled inbetween the horrific ultraviolence and the goofy slapstick antics. I can't quite figure out if that makes them better or worse.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Most Bruckheimer flicks have a few genuinely profound moments sprinkled in
      Other examples??

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Went to look up the Bruckheimer filmography and realized that the dude is 80 years old, how the frick?

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    the world slowly becoming less magical is my favorite fantasy trope

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thsts because you use it to cope with the world actually becoming less magical as you become an old jaded adult

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I mean its also just true to history isn't it?
        people becoming less supersticious as modernity aproaches with medevil europeans unironically believing in faries and gnomes and shit and modern people not even sure if there is a God.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah I guess you're right.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I agree. And I dont think that is a problem at all.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Interesting Becuase that is my least favorite, especially in video games.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lame

      My favorite trope is when magic was nonexistent/extinct, but then an event takes place that causes magic to slowly return to the world and turn it upside down

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        That is kino as well (and i think more kino to)
        But the world in general being in some sort of "magic recession" is an interest backdrop as it makes the starting place more familiar and thus whatever happens in the story more fantastic to read about.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Only kino when it doesn't just handwave away any modern tech

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Well thats frickin dark

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw you realize Vulcans are space elves..

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine a world where the Star Wars Disney Sequels were matching the tone and fun of the Pirates main trilogy?

    Idk how Disney screwed it up so badly. They could have done that, OR adapted the popular expanded universe stories FIRST in a attempt to stick to the knowledge script. Maybe not EXACTLY the same, but keep the same main characters and family members and Vong Invasion...at bat, success and all the money. At worst? "Sadly, even though we respected the original Lucas story plan and canon, the fans didn't like it! So NOW we're going to try our own multiverse angle and tell our own story, but at least we tried to make you happy!"

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Thats not even the best quote in the franchise.

    ?t=217

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Again that adds a shit ton of depth to the exchange knowing about how Jack got in this mess. His dad is telling him to do the thing he will have to bear for eternity

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >not "I've got a jar of dirt"

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >welcome to the human race
    Im a crank and love all of this movie…
    …but everyone agrees the ending of Escape from LA is kino

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      never actually saw this
      Saw the first one but not the second.

      Again that adds a shit ton of depth to the exchange knowing about how Jack got in this mess. His dad is telling him to do the thing he will have to bear for eternity

      I told you man you need to rewatch them!
      All 3 are way richer movies once you know Jack's backstory.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm just annoyed now that changing one scene removed an entire narrative thread that ties three films together.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Same honestly lol
          Thought they were just people who folllowed Tia dalma or some shit
          Tears on their faces make more sense now…

          Disney are such fricking prostitutes lol.

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >born too late to sail the seas with your bros
    >born too early to explore the stars
    Live is suffering.

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I still think this is pure kino even if the movie is garbage
    "you did not betray me, you betrayed yourself"

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      If we're going there i always thought the line right before this
      >"Time to find out"
      was kino...

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I still think this is pure kino even if the movie is garbage
        "you did not betray me, you betrayed yourself"

        Cringe take I know but I didn’t think the movies were bad as a kid
        Also young Megan fox was hot AF

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          too bad she looks like a monster now.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why did she do it to her face dudes?

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              She's literally Satanic.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                So what she sold her soul to the devil to an ugly b***h at 30??
                What the frick man
                How are you this rich and frick up your plastic surgery THIS bad

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                She didn't frick it up, she wants to look like that.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why???

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Because women are fricked in the head.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              There's a cabal of butchers in Hollywood giving buccal fat reductions to everyone. They have single-handedly women that were perfectly fine before. Erin Moriarty is my go-to example. Completely fricking ruined. It's this generations 9/11. They're going to grow up seeing these anorexic, cut-up b***hes thinking they're hot.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        3rd one was far too entertaining.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          HAHAHAHAHAH that kicking i totally forgot that, shia had soul in these movie tbf

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >NO OPTIMUS, WHAT ABOUT THE GENEVA CONVENTI-

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I'VE NEVER HEARD OF IT

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >NO OPTIMUS, WHAT ABOUT THE GENEVA CONVENTI-

          kek

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      If we're going there i always thought the line right before this
      >"Time to find out"
      was kino...

      These are the same scene lol. Even the music has the same feeling.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's a formula that appeals to people that like It

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      If we're going there i always thought the line right before this
      >"Time to find out"
      was kino...

      All thanks to Peter Cullen's kino delivery

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        All of them did decent jobs with the material, imo. Hugo Weaving said he didn't even understand what he was saying but at least the right emotions got conveyed

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        True
        films would be absolutely unwatchable without him and young as fricking Megan Fox

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Good thing the movie isn't garbage at all, gay

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    All 3 of those movies are kino of the highest order and I'm tired of pretending they're not

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    At World's End is kino, the best in the franchise, and one of my favorite films of all time

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yikes.

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >omg so deep he took a figurative concept and gave a blunt literal response
    homosexual.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're lame.

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Jews were big part on the slavery trade
    Nooooo! We cannot have this on big screen!!

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >mfw the immaterial becomes immaterial

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The internet used to be a bigger place.
    >It's the same size, there's just less on it.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      dead internet theory is reality

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Damn dude..

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Mid

  20. 4 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      it was passable

  21. 4 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      lol'd
      probably the last mildly funny gag marvel has had

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        "Mantis! Watch out!" cracks me up every time I think about it. Was giggling a bit just from typing it out.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I hate Marvel capeslop but I did enjoy the Guardians of the Galaxy movies well enough. Maybe because they were kind of clearly presented as being more like comedy movies so the gags never really felt out of place.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            People who hate cape flicks usually hate GotG more than the others for pretty much cementing "MCU humor". With Cinemaphile it's the opposite.

  22. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Mid/Shit Movies
    Gore's trilogy is unironically pure kino. read moby dick my friend. boating stories are my thing.

  23. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >OH MY GOD
    >THERES NOTHING LEFT

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