>Genuinely just a nice guy with Super Powers that wants to help anyone he can because it's the right thing to do
>Muh Boring
So let me ask this, what exactly are some of you looking for in a Superhero?
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>Genuinely just a nice guy with Super Powers that wants to help anyone he can because it's the right thing to do
Honestly I'd be OK with him if he could just decide on whether he's an average Joe or the paragon of everything it means to be a superhero with utterly infallible morality. Because you can be one, but not both. Just pick one and I'm good with him, it's trying to have his cake and eat it that makes his presentation come off as dishonest.
Not to mention the inherent dishonesty of the superhero alter ego thing, I mean who's really fooled by the glasses? Do Power Girl and Supergirl even bother with an alter ego these days?
>Not to mention the inherent dishonesty of the superhero alter ego thing, I mean who's really fooled by the glasses?
Christopher reeves literally did that in real life
I think All-Star did a good mix of both. He's more just laid-back about.
Shut the frick up.
No.
The charm is literally that the paragon of everything it means to be a superhero with utterly infallible morality ended up being an average joe.
They aren't opposites, that's the idea.
>Honestly I'd be OK with him if he could just decide on whether he's an average Joe or the paragon of everything it means to be a superhero with utterly infallible morality.
>Because you can be one, but not both.
Why not? Being a paragon of justice with infallible morality should be the average, even if it's actually not, it's what people should aspire to, superpowers or not.
>Infallibly moral
Remember when he tried to murder Manchester Black?
Superman is maybe 98% moral.
Not interested in modern subversion, fricking everybody does it to the point it's not even subversive anymore.
So you're just ignoring everything you don't like? Creating your own character in your head, that is merely partially inspired by the character in the comic?
This sounds like an awful cope.
>Creating your own character in your head, that is merely partially inspired by the character in the comic?
Sounds like literally all of the material outside the original comics that created and defined the character to begin with
Funny...I remember Superman ORIGINALLY threatening to kill people ion a frequent basis.
But did he actually ever? My point being Superman being shown to break from his usual behaviour is done for shock value, it's pure subversion, and in an age where everything is subversive, maybe I just want some sincerity for a change. Also fewer heroes with tragic backstories.
>But did he actually ever?
It's still illegal and morally reprehensible to threaten people.
>and morally reprehensible
That's quite literally your opinion.
Just ignore the rest of the post then because you're some homosexual who takes sadistic pleasure in dragging everyone around you down into pessimism and misanthropy. In case you hadn't noticed, being a vigilante at all is illegal and 'morally reprehensible'.
I’ve seen this homosexual before. I think he also made the Batman threads that pissed me off. Or maybe it was those threads shitting on The Batman movie. Maybe or maybe not, but this piece of shit is apparently from a brown country and likes anime trash. He’s also a Snydergay hence his vendetta with Supergays. So he’s in love with those shit movies and hates Matt Reeves for making the latest Batman film over assfleck.
KazuyaProta. I found out once I saw
my name mentioned with this homosexual.
t. Lex
>whether he's an average Joe or the paragon of everything
He's both. That's the point - by just being the average Joe who loves his neighbor and makes sure everyone has a nice quiet evening after a long day's work, he's become the moral pinnacle. He doesn't sit on a throne with a gavel pre-emptively decreeing what is good or evil, like any average guy it's a reactive diagnosis and he acts based on what he knows with the best intentions possible. I can explain it as much as I want, but I can't understand it for you.
Pic related's one of my favorite examples, he goes from taking Captain Marvel as a menace to realizing this is a hurt kid and he wants to find out who hurt him without a moment's hesitation.
>He's both. That's the point - by just being the average Joe who loves his neighbor and makes sure everyone has a nice quiet evening after a long day's work, he's become the moral pinnacle.
Hes a just Mary sue, who always gets appreciated for existing
Agreed, humans are cruel, selfish and sometimes rude but they also possess kindness, empathy and love for those that need it. Superman is just a plot device for an exaggeration of human ideals but with none of the truth or honesty.
No humans are evil as frick and people need to stop denying that shit.
>tripgay says something moronic
what else is new
>but they also possess kindness, empathy and love for those that need it
Not all, dude. Not all.
Superman is just Captain Marvel without the extra steps. He's a normal-ish guy who is able to turn into his best self, only without yelling "Shazam!" What makes him cool is that the way he acts as Superman is the way he wishes he could be, only difference is he actually gets to be that because he has powers, and that he strives to only use those powers for good. In the wring hands, like Murata's, any character can be boring. Superman isn't boring, just a lot of people who write him are.
I fricking hate DC comics.
I fricking hate namegays.
Shut up b***h
Is this that Kazuyagay that someone was b***hing about?
>Powers that wants to help anyone he can because it's the right thing to do
Hes a glorified first aid kit with no personality or fun traits people relate to. Of course he'd be boring to people.
He'd be better if he were more a dick like in the silver age
Hell no. There's too many pieces of shits in comics now. Tired of the schizo shit in both real life from idiots and even in fiction.
I assume you hate Ironman and Dante from DMC then.
I don't give a frick about either of those characters especially Dantewho. Are they from DC?
You never read silver age, you just came across some meme covers posted in threads.
I read it. Silver age Flash is better tho.
i like this superman
thanks for sharing, this is the reason i like him
>This alien knows what is inherently right and wrong for humans
Hmm?
I fricking hate namegays that cry and piss their pants.
>cries and pisses over a random anon
Sad!
just a nice guy
false
I fricking hate namegays that don't understand what the word anonymous means.
Frick you.
This is required reading for anyone who thinks Superman is a dull homosexual that can just punch his way out of anything.
If superman doesn't fight to save the day, then he's not worth my time.
You'll just have to read it to find out.
Fighting isn't just about le epic anime DBZ fisticuffs
Then he isn't worth my time.
>Then he isn't worth my time.
Who gives a frick about your time lmao. If all you care about is vapid shonenshit then you're on the wrong board.
lovely cover art
Second this, and in additon. Post Superman stories that showcase how good a character he is and how much fun his struggles can be. The kind of stuff you show to people to prove Supes isnt overated.
Superman is boring because hes too safe, he's not fun like Power Girl or Plastic Man or as risk prone or flawed as Batman. So his character just has no highs to be entertained by.
Those who think he's boring just didn't read his comics. It's pure ignorance. And frankly it's DC's fault.
Nah I read his most acclaimed stories, they still are boring compared to Spider-Man, Batman, X-men, Lobo etc.
He’s gay and only appeals to Twitter users.
>what exactly are some of you looking for in a Superhero?
not being a israeli proxy for starters
>what exactly are you looking for in a Superhero?
Someone who's not boring.
Peter Parker does good things out of moral obligation and guilt. That’s okay but Superman using his powers for good is lame and boring?
>Peter Parker has a reason for what he does
>Superman doesn't have a reason
I mean you just proved that Spider-man is the better written character.
Superman was raised by a kindly couple who taught him the virtues of being human and how to control his abilities. He's someone with all the power in the world that chooses to do good because he finds fulfillment helping the home that gave him another chance at life.
So why does Superman kill?
Not that you're interested in an actual answer, but when a writer who doesn't want to write a particular character is paired up with an Editor who doesn't give a shit, you get comics like this.
>Not that you're interested in an actual answer,
I'm interested in an actual answer, but I know you'll only dance around facts with mental gymnastics.
I know Superman. He was never without fault, envy, hate, and murderous intent. He exhibits these vices frequently throughout his stories.
I guess you could say that just makes him more human and relatable. So what's the issue here? Also Parademons aren't living creatures.
>I guess you could say that just makes him more human and relatable
But it's rare and not compelling enough to see him break the habit from being just Jesus Christ wearing super panties.
Wait you hate Jesus?
No
Parademons aren't even lucid or living. Even the one from Secret Six frankly didn't give a frick about his own death and was enjoying Hell.
For Superman, killing is a last resort only to be used when all other options fail.
Certain fans and writers are hypocrites, they'll praise Batman for refusing to kill when it's absolutely necessary and letting the situation in Gotham deteriorate/ innocent people die, but bash Superman on the rare occasions he kills to protect the innocent.
They think it makes Batman mentally stronger, but it's more the opposite. Batman refuses to kill not because of morality but because for him crossing that line makes him just as bad as those he fights. He believes they can be fixed because he wants to believe he can be too. At least when written correctly, Batman's a good detective not just because of his smarts but because of his perspective, he can think like a psychopath because to an extent he's one too and is contantly trying to avoid crossing the one line he believes separates him from his rogue's gallery because of it. The popularity of Batman has inflated to the point that people forget who Batman really is sometimes and then consider him more infallable and powerful than anyone else in the DC universe because of it, writers included.
Peter's life sucks, when was the last time Clark had a real problem other than waiting for Lois to throw him a bone?
You can bet with 100 percent certainty that anyone who calls Superman boring or has no personality has never actually read a Superman comic in their entire lives.
Superman fanboys are kind of weird. They keep posting these threads promoting the character. But that would only work if he was unpopular due to lack of exposure. But since he's unpopular because he's boring most people are just gonna look at this threads and think "another shill thread made by a corporate wienersucker"
Stop me if I misunderstand the character, but Superman has always seemed like a kind hearted, compassionate, caring and patient person with fans who are none of those things. There's some kind of twisted irony to a paragon of justice and fairness attracting fans who Superman would absolutely loathe.
It never fails to be mind boggling to me how someone like Superman has so many fans who quite simply act more like the kind of petty thug or villain he'd be seen stopping.
Am I off the mark here?
>Superman has always seemed like a kind hearted, compassionate, caring and patient person with fans who are none of those things. There's some kind of twisted irony to a paragon of justice and fairness attracting fans who Superman would absolutely loathe.
>Hes a glorified first aid kit with no personality
He could solve the worlds problem but doesn't, yet people think he already do that
I mean I understand why you dislike the character but that doesn't really answer the question or address what I said about his fans.
>Superman has always seemed like a kind hearted, compassionate, caring and patient person with fans who are none of those things. There's some kind of twisted irony to a paragon of justice and fairness attracting fans who Superman would absolutely loathe.
I like Captain America, Vash the Stampede and Spider-Man, why isn't I don't like Superman? Because his character is to easy to believe? You have to veer into religion metaphors for the guy to grasp his character, he is meant to represent israeli fantasies after all. Maybe that's why I find him dull. He's just another way to spell Jesus or Moses wearing a cape.
>Muh
Thanks for reminding me to add that "word" to my filters.
Angst, they're looking for angst because they never outgrew the tastes they had as a teenager.
Or he's just lame as frick. That's all there is to it.
There’s nothing lame as frick about not being a piece of shit.
I bet you enjoyed that stupid ass line in The Batman where catb***h told Bruce to check his “privilege.” I fricking hate this generation.
>There’s nothing lame as frick about not being a piece of shit.
I like Captain America and Optimus Prime, they are legitimately cooler characters than Superman but possibly more campy white guy father leaders than Superman. Superman is a wimp with God like powers that acts like a boring square in demeanor and enlightened morality, and Batman bullies him all the time. Superman is the meaning of the word Lame in comparison to other heroes in fiction. Just like Mickey Mouse.
Optimus and CA, neither of those characters are direct Jesus parallels. Superman is the closest anti-christ figure there. As of core traits ignoring Hollywood’s brainwashing garbage, there’s nothing lame as frick about it. And Superman has shit on Batman multiple times too, but you don’t see me b***hing about it you insecure trashheap.
>Optimus and CA, neither of those characters are direct Jesus parallels.
I never said they were incel. They are still cooler and more interesting characters than cuck Kent. Batman shits on Superman more with human accomplishments from being a peak pinnicle of his species(even fricked Lois once), Superman only one ups him using his unearned super powers.
>So let me ask this, what exactly are some of you looking for in a Superhero?
Moral and intellectual complexity.
Superman is arguably the most simplistic superhero out there. He's the plain toast with butter, the vanilla of ice cream, the hand job of sex...the least interesting superhero in comics.
This is also why the evil Supermen are so much more interesting. Because they add a complexity to an otherwise reactive superhero.
Evil Supermen are only interesting for a brief moment, then they're just a bad guy with Superman-analogous abilities. The only ones that are actually interesting are the ones who were interesting characters on their own regardless of moveset.
Nah. Most people will always prefer Superman as a villain, because he works better that way.
>"OOH WHAT IF WE TAKE THE NICE GUY AND MAKE HIM SUPER EVIL AND KILL PEOPLE I'M SO WITTY AND SUBVERSIVE LOOK AT HOW SMART OF A WRITER I AM I KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE A CHARACTER INTERESTING"
Evil Superman is more boring than normal Superman because it ignores what makes Superman Superman in 90% of cases and just asks "What if someone with Superman's powers were blowing up orphanages" or some shit.
Omni-Man doesn't work because he's "Superman but evil", he works precisely because he isn't evil and justified himself internally by trying to distance himself.
Homelander doesn't work because he's "Superman but evil", he works because he's practically the polar opposite of Superman in terms of upbringing which made him an emotionally maladjusted psychopath.
Ultraman is even more of a nothing character than Supes because his whole thing is just "I'm Evil Superman and I HATE Superman!".
Injustice Superman is a fricking joke, like Batkek but more pathetic because Ed Boon will come up to you and try to explain how he's more complex than just "Evil Superman"
The only case of an Evil Superman working within that context is Prime, and even HE'S not all that evil, he just gets the shortest end of the shortest stick then spends several years being a punching bag for when a DC writer wants to mock angry fans until Death Metal finally gives him his moment to shine and that was as a hero.
Is this the part where you tell me your favorite horror movie is fricking Brightburn?
most people are looking for self-insert power fantasies when it comes to fiction. That's why juvenile characters like Batman and James Bond are so popular.
And today's climate, men are not allowed to havw these for any media. Only the women should have it and you will like it or get nothing. Sorry, I don't make the rules.
Guess everyone's on a hot pocket break at the moment.
I like Superman cause he's a nice guy but also a complete schizo when it comes to people not using their abilities responsibly. He has so many hang ups about his powers that he lives as a powerless flanderized version of himself and when he can't stand not using his powers he puts on his alien suit and acts morally infallible. It's this grey area between truth and falsehood that I think puts people off but I love it. His true self becomes more fake as his fake self becomes more real. Clark Kent becomes a cowardly country bumpkin as he falls more into the roll of Kal-el the Superman.
Superman powers are so exaggerated that I don't believe for a second he's as strong as hes hyped up to be to justify his characters boring God martyrdom. Thor on the other hand I see being someone who can justify being above his vices and position being a paragon and noble person because hes waaaaay above Superman and Hulk as a being with immeasurable powers, he's a actual God. And I hate nice guys without the spice or edge of being a jerk.
I want a superhero that's not boring.
When a characters only defining trait according to his fans are "he's a good guy" then that's a failed character.
There's a reason Superman comics don't get into the monthly top 10 anymore, and struggle to get into the top 25. He's poorly written characters.
homies eating tide pods for a fricking youtube video and shooting those on the spot for arguing over fried chicken. Sure, they’re a nice person because they tipped a guy earlier and said thank you. Humanity is fricked.
Anyone who hates “The Batman” is a piece of shit.
>B-but
Frick the riddler
You guys don't need Superman, you need Jesus Christ.
These people issues aren’t with Superman, they just hate God and Christianity. If they can’t take these traits from a drawing, then Jesus himself will be a huge turn off for them.
Atheists use Superman to try to fill the void in their hearts left behind when they threw out Jesus.
I like both. Superman at his best is a very nice sci-fi interpretation of Jesus, though in terms of adaptational recreations I prefer when he's a big lion.
Infallible paragons are boring. If I wanted to be preached to I'd attend a sermon. Good characters have human desires and failings. Superman has neither. And for the record, neither does Batgod.
At this point both DC and Marvel need to frick off. Entertainment was a mistake and written is getting worse because no one cares anymore.
What's the moron saying? They're filtered.
I’m talking about (You) homosexual. Who is this some DCtard editor shill? Are you too stupid you can’t just click and read the posts?
>People say Superman's infallible
Superman's son became a gay. So he fricked up somewhere
Reminder that Tom King and James Gunn is going to take over DC.
>what exactly are some of you looking for
Whatever manga/anime is giving me.
I'd like Superman as a Jesus allegory if he was an allegory of the actual Biblical Jesus who trolled Pharisees daily and flogged motherfrickers personally when they were getting sacrilegious.
Superman works better as a good person with super powers rather than SPACE JESUS. Helping others because he can and it’s the right thing to do.
Reminder that Goku built 3 times the legacy in less than half the time.
>Another broke brown with 60 kids.
That's 60 more than you ever gonna have, homosexual.
Evil Superman is a deconstruction of the character. It happens in every medium that has overstayed its welcome.
>Thinks having kids is an insult
Have fun dying alone
>tdlr I hate you don't like what I like, you're a loser xd!
Wow says alot about you(typical self projection and ja cuse), than me, go touch grass. Cap and Optimus> Superman, Batman > Superman. Superman is lame, you are lame.
MODS
Because he’s kinda lame. Captain America and Optimus Prime are similar archetype but they are more interesting as they are actual leaders who fight for what they believe in which is more than just being a nice guy
People project
People with powers beating the shit out of each other for several chapters. Just like my Japanese comics!
Unga Bunga
Why is it that Captain America doesn't have the stigma of being boring despite being seen as Marvel's Superman when it comes to being the closest moral equivalent?