>Geoff Johns was a member of HEAT back in the day
Holy shit, all of a sudden the last 20 years of Green Lantern comics make perfect sense. Especially everything that's happened to Hal, AND everything that's happened to Kyle.
>Geoff Johns was a member of HEAT back in the day
HEAT?
Hal's Emerald Attack Team. Back around 1995 or so a group for Hal Jordan fans that got so butthurt about the Emerald Twilight storyline where Hal turned evil that they, empowered by early internet, went full NOT MUH and started taking out ads in industry mags and harassing shop owners. Supposedly one nutter even called in a bomb threat.
let's be honest, nowadays that change would never stick for more than a year because of butthurt
it's a miracle that so many stuff in comics changed drastically in the 80s and 90s and were actually kept
>let's be honest, nowadays that change would never stick for more than a year because of butthurt
Thanks to trailblazers like Johns that proved that fan outcry and butthurt work to keep the genre stagnant for decades, yes.
Emerald Twilight was hated until contrarians decided that pre-Rebrith GL wasn't anything but mid-tier comics.
It's still amazing that Marvel let Wolverine run around with bone claws for 6 years in the 90s. Shit used to actually stick around back then.
>It's still amazing that Marvel let Wolverine run around with bone claws for 6 years in the 90s. Shit used to actually stick around back then.
It helped that they just ignored that the bone claws shouldn't be nearly as strong and let them cut through everything anyway.
>Shit used to actually stick around back then.
How many years has it been since Carol became Captain Marvel, or Betsy got her body back?
Meanwhile in reality Jon Kent was ruined, Peter Parker ruined, Bobby drake ruined, tim drake ruined, Alan Scott ruined…
Oh my god Johns sounds like a character from Dorkin's Eltingville club
Dorkin's attempt to distance himself from these guys will never not be funny but he fricking nailed Josh here
Dorkin based those characters on fans he'd meet when he worked at a comic shop. He's drawing from real life.
That pic sums up 90 percent of comic writers past the Bronze Age.
HEAT wanted Kyle to stay because they liked him. What they didn’t want was Hal as a mass murdering psychopath.
That's an official line, but frick no they didn't. Also, apparently one motherfricker gave Ron Marz HEAT business card and it literally had one of the objectives to get him fired!
...and then he asked him to sign his comics.
It makes way more sense for Superboy donor to be an actual character in the book rather than sudden Lex.
>apparently one motherfricker gave Ron Marz HEAT business card and it literally had one of the objectives to get him fired!
One? That's not that bad.
Lex creating a clone of himself with Superman powers makes sense for his views and goals.
Lex HATES superman though and what it stands for an alien surpassing humans. He should hate the idea of mixing genetics.
But he's also not above using Kryptonian genes to make weapons in his war against Superman, e.g. Bizarro
>Lex HATES superman though
That's just a cope because he's jealous.
>It makes way more sense for Superboy donor to be an actual character in the book rather than sudden Lex.
IIRC Paul Westfield was already dead when they revealed he was Superboy's genetic donor. Lex was not too far-fetched at the time; I actually thought that he and Westfield were the most likely candidates back then.
What's stopping Cinemaphile and others from doing the same instead of seething all day long about how bad Marvel/DC are now?
OP is just baiting but to be fair americans only buy Marvel and DC crap due to their cultural sunk cost fallacy over their "iconic" superheroes.
Because homosexuals like Johns who got into the business in the 90's fricking pulled the ladder up behind them.
Chuck Dixon said it best, the industry is like a patched fence; once they see how someone got in they make it harder for someone to get in the same way.
Johns only got in because he was Richard Donner's assistant which got him the opportunity to tour the DC offices and become buddies with Eddie Berganza who had him pitch stuff.
Anything remotely like that these days, and the press and industry rally around a gigantic circlejerk. See the milkshake thing that ended up with an eisner for Mockingbird.
Their most prominent member was Alex Ross.
That basketball team?
Same deal with Superboy being a Lex clone. There's a fan letter in the back of some issue from Johns putting forth his theory that Connor is part-Lex dna. But that was explicitly not a thing (I think it was the Cadmus director's dna).
And Johns seethed and reeee'd for years until he got on Teen Titans and retconned that shit into canon immediately.
unironically a better idea than the original plan
>Same deal with Superboy being a Lex clone.
My only problem with that is him never being shown as a supergenius and mad scientist.
A young lex luthor with superman powers trying to be a good person is interesting.
He used to build gadgets to compensate for the powers he didn't get. I thought that was really neat and a good way to show the connection, but that was ironically before the Lex retcon and he hasn't done much of that lately.
I don't even remember the name of the nobody before the Lex retcon. I think it was Paul something, and he was dead for most of it? It's for the best.
>Connor is part-Lex dna
What's Geoff's obsession with is premise? It reads like an autistic hyperfixation
Because it's the one story he has for Kon, an it dictates his entire character now. Johns basically sapped all of the character's nuance to make a him a big jock who's whole dilemma is fear of being a bald evil nerd.
You ever come up with a dumb fan theory as a kid? Johns is what happens when you never let go of it. To Johns it simply "made more sense" and was more dramatic because he's a simple-minded child.
Johns didn't become obsessed with comics until working with Richard Donner, and he was already an adult by them.
It's so weird, I mean I'm active in some corny ass fandoms but the idea of being so unwilling to let go of your skewed headcanon for decades is really creepy in a way.
>AND everything that's happened to Kyle.
actually becoming relevant instead of a shitty loser?
You mean Kyle becoming space Jesus white lantern chosen one? Kyle still being relevant while being the host to ion?
You do know that if it weren’t for Johns Kyle would have been killed off right? Didio and Tomasi were ready to just straight up have the character killed but Johns stopped them
Oh no, we'd only have THREE Earth GLs in the sector
Imagine getting to write at DC and Courtney is now a prostitute in hell
Ah i see you have shit taste, Johns era GLC with Guy and Kyle was the best
He’s appeared since then, he was a main character in Hal & Pals and he recently was in Doom Patrol
>You do know that if it weren’t for Johns Kyle would have been killed off right?
Another thing to blame Johns for, then.
That'd probably be for the best. I mean he's basically in limbo nowadays right? Last time I remember seeing him was on the King mini, and that's a fate worse than death.
No it wouldn't be for the best, Kyle is the only GL with potential due to being an artist exploring his emotions, Hal is stuck in the same story over and over because his premise is very limited. Hal should stay with parallax just like Barry should stay in the speedforce.
That was the only time Kyle had a personality
Kyle was fine in that mini, it could have been way worse.
Hal shouldn't have come back in the first place. The rainbow spectrum has also been an awful idea.
>Hal shouldn't have come back in the first place.
Why not?
He wasn't needed. John, Guy, and Kyle are all better and more interesting characters than Hal much like Wally was more interesting than Barry. Hal and Barry's problems are being Whitebread Hero Guys whose "personality" is just being generic heroes with nothing interesting about them. Hal would go or periods of time not even being used all that much. The DC was not a lesser place without Hal Jordan and there's more value to me in a story of Generic Heroman losing it after his idyllic Silver Age world is destroyed before eventually finding the goodness he'd thought dead to find redemption with his final act. It's also a better testament to Hal's willpower and heroism than a thousand stories of Hal doing something "badass," that he could fall so far and still pull himself back up and go out the hero he truly was becoming, in essence (as the Spectre), the heroic spirit watching over the DCU and an almost Christlike figure.
>He wasn't needed. John and Kyle are all better and more interesting characters
This was all I need to disregard your post.
Explain to me what Hal's unique qualities as a character are. What makes him better than someone like Guy or Kyle? How as the DCU worse without Hal Jordan?
>How as the DCU worse without Hal Jordan?
We lose one of the few good heroes without a stick up his ass.
Dude the Spectre was DC's intransigence to go back and undo ET. Its no different than keeping Jon as a homosexual adult despite the fans not having it. Geoff knew it was a consolation gift so that nobody would see Hal as a psychopath who murdered his friends but its impossible to buy it when you have to take into account what got him there in the first place.
That's not fair, the Rainbow Spectrum brought in a bunch of fun characters like Saint Walker, Arkillo, Bleez, etc.
The only real problem is the Blue Lanterns. Without a GL present, they're totally fricking useless, but with a GL around, they're absurdly OP, neither of which is great from a writing standpoint.
It reduced DC cosmic to nothing but Lantern variants. And ultimately those Lantern variants became irrelevant like the rest of DC cosmic.
That's not Geoff or the GL's fault, that's DC's own fault for not doing anything with their cosmic setting. They put all their cards into the supernatural with Vertigo but that died out and its only Neil Gaiman carrying it with Sandman.
HEATgays are the actual reason john was in JLU. That shit was still very much alive and no one at WB wanted that stupid shit in their circle at all so they chose to not pick Hal or Kyle for their cartoon.
No, John was added because everyone else on the team was white or green.
>Excerpts from the Justice League Panel at the 2001 San Diego Comic Con:
>Bruce Timm: He’s the most controversial character so far from what we’ve been gathering on the Internet. When the show’s lineup was first announced, there were a lot of people saying, “Why aren’t they using Hal Jordan? No, it’s got to be Guy Gardner. No, it’s got to be Kyle Rayner.” Obviously, we picked the wrong one, but the reason we did choose John Stewart are various—I think they’re all valid. Right off the bat, I’ll just say it: you know we did need ethnic diversity in the Justice League. We felt that the show is going to be seen worldwide and I think having a member of the Justice League who is not just “Mr. White Bread” is a good thing
>makes Green Lantern a superstar
>the comics put Batman and Superman to shame
>has the best events ever
>was vindicated after the shitshow that was Emerald Twilight by the sales that GL never experienced
>saved Kyle from Marz's inane ability to not make him a loser
>Cinemaphile still thinks he ruined GL
You guys are massive gays.
>>has the best events ever
I can give you Sinestro Corps War and MAYBE Blackest Night, but everything else was meh. First Lantern was mostly a dud.
Infinite Crisis was more fun than any Marvel or DC event in the past 10 years.
It's just a shitty recycling, that's all Johns does.
>the best events ever
Darkseid War
>that GL issue
How the hell did Tom King write that?
Johns also ruined She-Hulk & pushes propaganda of the Golden Age of comics that never really existed.
She-Hulk always sucked.
Savage & Sensational are good.
The 00's Ally McBeal shit is beyond reddit cringe.
>Golden Age of comics that never really existed.
Yeah I don't really like some of that. I was ok with bringing back Blue Beetles sidekick but not all this fake Alan Scott was always gay and had his own Red Lantern shit. Pick some nobody character that did exist and bring him back, like Slam Bradley or the Asian guy on Tec #1
Johns is such a lame dork he unironically loves Doiby Dickles.
I like Doiby Dickles.
No you don't!
He hijacks every issue!
The Alan Scott thing is doubly infuriating because it's actually damaging to gay people.
>Lost an important example of an ally in the older generations who genuinely tried to understand and connect with his gay son
>Turned Alan Scott into a misogynist abuser who led on and impregnated multiple women, abandoning them with children just to keep up the charade he wasn't gay
Like shit at least before he loved those women and circumstances or tough decisions kept him away, but now he's just a psycho who never even cared about them and used them as beards against their will.
Man, all they had to do was make the kids Alan's adopted kids to explain their relation. Instead they went full moron.
Christ.
They could have at least made him bi, if they wanted to recon him into a man who was ashamed about having same-sex attraction. That would have also left the years of character development with women (notably Jade and Obsidian's mother) intact.
>They could have at least made him bi,
Not making things any better.
He would have still been attracted to women, though and that character development wouldn't have been thrown out.
The only reason why they make characters nowadays is because they want gay characters. That's all a bisexual is in comics either way.
>wrote the greatest GL run of all time
>is a self-admitted Flash fanboy
If making Alan gay means that Hal stays heterosexual, then its a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
Johns is a hero for making Batman that much worse and dabbing on Alan Moore.
>All his stories might as well be a kid smashing toys together in a sandbox.
and are unironically more fun because of that, no one is buying Ewing boring shitty events where not a single good battle happens
None of his fights mean anything because they always start at 11 like bad DBZ fan fiction.
I thought it was common knowledge
If it was, then why isn't Kyle dead?
because that would be hypocritical and become everything he hates
>and become everything he hates
A Batman writer?
What's with Johns and forced saccharine dialogue?
People don't talk like this.
mucho texto
Yeah, he's pretty based. Geoff's one major failing is being too soft on Poochie Lantern, Rayner should have been killed off ages ago.
>nearly 18 hours and nobody has answer against Geoff bringing Hal back
It's just one schizo seething about Hal.
He's better than Batman, not just as a hero, but as a person as well.
ok pedo
I like Jo Mullein because she has a fat ass.
Her design is fricking ridiculous.
I legit do not know how to give a black character good hair outside of the short haircut Vixen gets.
Her hair looks like a turd.
Bring back Crispus Allen Spectre!!!!
Why do they keep John Stewart around
I'll never understand why Johns keeps dickriding Hal. John and Kyle are both more interesting
Yes Kyle, who ends up character assassinating any female hero who gets into a relationship with him and decided to leave Earth because his gay friend got beat up is a more interesting character. Those epic battles with Effigy and Grayven had my eyes glued to those pages!!
>decided to leave Earth because his gay friend got beat up is a more interesting character.
I think Judd Winick might be gay.
Kyle is definitely interesting but I don’t know how you can say John is interesting with a straight face, John is literally the most boring generic character ever written
John was really neat in the DCAU. I enjoyed how is character interacted with the other original members and his relationship with Hawkgirl.
John was one of the worst members of the DCAU.
I don't agree. John was great there
They literally picked out cause he was black dude. And his character consisted of being a no fun authoritarian in a team with fricking Batman and Wonder Woman.
John was former USMC. He's done more than Hal, Barry, or Batman have done in their civilian identities.
Hal is an ex-Air Force pilot. He’s done more than the crayon eaters John worked with.
I get it. You don't like him because he's not Hal.
>And his character consisted of being a no fun authoritarian in a team with fricking Batman and Wonder Woman.
The lighthearted members of the team were Wally and sometimes Hawkgirl. Having a personality you disagree with doesn't make him a bad character tho
homie I didn’t like him because he’s boring. If not Hal as the GL rep, then Kyle or Guy. Those guys actually have personality.
>great
at being a boring one note nothing character? I agree
Nah anon, John was literally the lamest character in the DCAU he was only there to be the straight man to better characters hijinks. He was as interesting as watching paint dry
His relationship with Hawkgirl goes directly against the very core of her character
He was pretty cool in Green Lantern Mosaic
Mosaic was awesome.
Hal needs a new love interest, Carol sucks
Johns was a member of HEAT back in the day
How is this news? I remember people in the source calling Johns a Heat moron
>Geoff used to write for Marvel
If they knew of his autism, could he have become the next Bendis?
The fact that he got into a pissing contest with Bendis is quite funny.
He did?
Bump
frick you
KOLD: Kyle's Optimistic Loyal Defenders
He's a good kid who deserves a break... and his Korugarian gf back.
damn he went ring chasing with lebron?
What's HEAT?
If you weren't an illiterate homosexual, you would know.
his green lantern run is really good.