George Lucas INSISTED Luke turns into a broken hermit. If you disagree with this character development you are simply in the wrong.
George Lucas INSISTED Luke turns into a broken hermit.
George Lucas INSISTED Luke turns into a broken hermit. If you disagree with this character development you are simply in the wrong.
he should've been around for longer though. it's part of the reason the story the sequels were trying to tell would have worked better in four parts
I swear the last two movies should have been three instead, there's too much rushing around and not enough time to congeal and really explore the situations. When they sink into the desert it's over far too quickly. In New Hope, when they wind up in the garbage compactor there's a monster to deal with, and then the walls closing in, and we switch between the droids in the control center and back to the garbage compactor several times before everything is resolved.
Rian ended the trilogy in the second movie.
which was fine, the problem was portraying him as a murderous pedophile sneaking into his nephews room holding his lightsaber like a penis
>the problem was portraying him as a murderous pedophile sneaking into his nephews room holding his lightsaber like a penis
That was just how Kylo remembered it.
because that's what they wanted you to see, then they damage controlled it a bit later, that's how visual media works, i can put an idea in your head without explaining it, i can make every white character evil and every black character good and i never have to defend it because were working at a layer below rationality
Take your meds schizo.
I will never take the meds.
Was not asking.
Which television & film is this
Twin Peaks
>Twin Peaks
Oh, that's good then.
If the director doesn't have the ability to rip off Rashomon properly he shouldn't bother.
The simpler and much better route to take would have been to just make Kylo an irredeemable c**t that went school shooter despite Luke thinking he could turn him around. That's something that might disillusion Luke enough to become a hermit and give up on resurrecting the Jedi.
That's Ben's imagination, a memory that had to be drastic enough justify Kylo chimping out and murdering all the younglings. Can't believe I'm defending this shit.
he's doing the exact same penis thing in both versions
That’s just how you hold a lightsaber lol, you have a dirty mind you silly goose
>you have a dirty mind
No shit, these are the same people who find the simple chore of milking a cow gross and humiliating.
What kind of deranged projection of a take is this
Luke was LITERALLY right with his premonition and SHOULD have killed Kylo right here, right there before Kylo commited genocide and giving his anal virginity up to resurrected zombie Palpatine
Yet the only reason Kylo joined with Snoke was because Luke tried to kill him. If Luke didn't do any of this crap, nothing would have happened which is just one of the many reasons why Last Jedi is a badly written piece of shit movie.
You might unironically be autistic if you think Kylo's cope he uses on Rey is the actual reason he genocided the Jedi. He did it because Snoke got to him as per Luke, Leia and Han.
So it's ok for the Jedi to be the Department of Precrime? They can just go around executing people based on their premonitions, even though we know based on how bad they fricked up seeing Anakin's future that they can't be trusted?
Sounds like a great idea.
>which was fine, the problem was portraying him as a murderous pedophile sneaking into his nephews room holding his lightsaber like a penis
1. This is how Kylo justified murdering the entire academy in his head.
2. Luke was literally correct in his assumption that Kylo deserves death.
Imagine being filtered by a children movie.
unreliable narrator is for shit writers who want an out if they're called on their subversive shit
The movie couldn't spell it clearer you absolute mongoloid.
Even in TFA, before the Luke chimping out thing was even written, a conversation between Leia and Han establishes that it was Snoke who messed up Ben's brain. You could argue that this "moment of weakness" was what broke the camel's back but that would go against everything else that was said, that Kylo was a ticking bomb even before he was admitted to the Academy.
Nobody cares, anon. TLJ is almost 7 years old now, and nobody is changing their mind on the ST or Rey Palpatine. They suck and were completely pointless movies
sum one post the edit.
no one hated the idea in principle they hate what disney did with it
rian being a pretentious smug homosexual didnt help it
next time you spend 4 billion and create new movies in a six movie series with 40 years of lore you might want to plan out your movies ahead of time and listen to the input of the people who have been there since day 1 (aka mark i hate drumpf slava ukraini hamill)
>you might want to plan out your movies ahead of time
Why bother? George certainly didn't.
and yet george didnt bomb the IP not even with the prequels
Because he was lucky enough to make them BEFORE social media took off.
The IP was actually completely dead by 2010 or so dude. It’s currently still running on fumes that the interest in TFA brought.
>and yet george didnt bomb the IP not even with the prequels
George tanked Star Wars like it was nobody's business, stop with the revisionism
>chud letter media shitting up the thread again
I wish you would stay in youtube comments sections.
>I wish you would stay in youtube comments sections.
George tanked Star Wars so bad he sold it for literal chump change.
George actually only got $50M in cash for Lucasfilm, the rest of the transaction was in Disneybuxx.
See that's the thing, George had a plan. Your image shows that. It's just that George's plans changed or got changed a lot. What's important is that he always had an idea of where the story was going, that idea might change but if shit hit the fan there was always an ending. Yoda here wasn't talking out of his ass, he was setting up for a plot point that was planned at the time. Contrast JJ who had characters say shit that sounded like they were setting up for something, but never did. They were just saying things without any thought put into them.
tl;dr To quote Patton, plans are useless but planning is indispensable.
>1st movie: "Vader killed your father"
>2nd movie: "Psych! Vader *is* your father. Also you wanna frick Leia"
>3rd movie: "Psych! Leia is your sister you fricking pervert"
It really is glaring how poorly planned the story was.
>"Wow what a twist I totally didn't see it coming that Vader was Luke's father and Leia his sister!"
Yeah that's cuz George Lucas didn't see it coming either
And yet the OT is a classic and the ST is embarrassing reductive trash
In fairness the "love triangle" in TESB isn't much of a triangle. The entire movie is fixated on Leia's relationship with Han from the very start of the movie. The Leia sister decision was bad for other reasons.
>didn't hate it in principle
Yes we did. Luke is for optimism. If he's decayed into bitterness the entire movie triology better be about fixing it before he dark sides your ass and recreates a galatic empire to dwarf his fathers.
Looks very nourishing and delicious
what makes this gross but doing the same from cows not?
It isn’t gross
the fact that its a freakish alien
the fact that its tit looks like a mutated human breast
the fact that its green
the fact that Luke makes a weird, gross, intense face
the fact that you're a moron
Are you a moron?
drink cum gayg
milk scene and leia flying. That was it for me
>milk scene and leia flying. That was it for me
It was all trash
All Star Wars was trash. Always has been. Enjoyable trash.
The Sequels are not enjoyable trash. They are stinky, tedious, embarrassing trash. Thankfully, most people openly despise them
>The Sequels are not enjoyable trash. They are stinky, tedious, embarrassing trash. Thankfully, most people openly despise them
Is arguing about which trash people should enjoy over other trash a hill you want to die on? More like a garbage pile to die on, but you catch my drift.
>most people
Chuds are not people.
Normies hate the sequels. Liberals hate the sequels. Literally everyone hates the corporate sequel trilogy. I’m a liberal and I completely despise the sequel trilogy.
But again, why are you making all these schizo threads? Have you stopped taking your medication? It’s very concerning
Do you speak for all liberals? Hell, do you speak for literally everybody?
Also, using Michael Eisner, the man who literally ran Disney into the ground last time, as a point of authority. kek
>Michael Eisner
>And not fricking Bob Iger and chapek at the moment
moron
up to that point, yeah. I meant that i dropped the movie after those
The Bullshit is strong with this one.
Reference or frick off.
https://www.gamesradar.com/star-wars-episode-8-george-lucas-luke-skywalker-dead/
How many shill threads are you going to start?
The Sequel Trilogy is complete garbage
>shill
Your mom is a shill thread
Almost 9 years later and people HATE the Sequel Trilogy more than ever. The movies are so incredibly awful, I’d wager that they’ll actually become more despised over time, not less
Yeah, I can't see kids liking any of this shit or feel nostalgic at all for it. It's largely too incoherent
>no I refuse to believe i am wasting my life on starshits
>tips fedora
Source?
It could have been amazing. Ep7 they find Luke and he explains he's been studying the Force and he's on some Force-led quest or something but the Bad Guys want it too.
Ep 8 the new characters and Luke find it but are being hunted down and have to split up. All seems lost.
Ep 9. Luke and the new guys win, Luke is able to move on and FINALLY start to rebuild the Jedi.
Having geriatric Luke to be the main character of the sequel trilogy isn’t a good idea
better than geriatric cokehead leia who could/did die at any moment
He doesn't have to be the main character. He can fill the Gandalf role to New Main Character's Frodo. Just have him do more than die in Act One.
He literally saved every-fricking-one from the other side of the galaxy. What more could he do?
"NOOOOOOOOOOOO I WANTED HIM TO DO SHITTY CG SPIN FLIPS EVERYWHERE AND CUT PEOPLE UP WITH HIS LAZER SWORD!!!!!!"
Mark Hamill was in late 50s/ early 60s. The literal perfect age to play Grandmaster of the NJO. He didn’t need to be the lead. Just the mentor and leader of the Jedi.
Have you seen how much Keanu Reeves struggles with action scenes recently? And he’s been doing them his all life not to mention he’s younger and in a better shape than Mark was in 2015.
The same relaxed brain that obsesses over TLJ has never heard of stunt men. Jesus, schizo, you’re doing my work for me
>Ep 9. Luke and the new guys win, Luke is able to move on and FINALLY start to rebuild the Jedi.
Never going to happen.
that's one of the most poorly written sentences I've ever read
WTF
I don't think TLJ justified it very well. The Rashomon shtick was also goofy and felt out of place in a movie I thought was otherwise well-directed. Kylo's recollection was far too over the top.
The thing is that a 60 year old Luke Skywalker would have been the most powerful being to ever live and he would have been at least twice as powerful as full power Palpatine. So one could make the argument that if Luke was on the scene in 35 any there would have been no sequel trilogy as he would have wrecked Snoke and Kylo at the same time without breaking a sweat. So how could Disney handle that and still tell an effective story about new young heroes? They had to take him out of the equation
However the way they did it was just cruel, degrading, and not in keeping with his personal character. He should have been closer to Baylon looking for Peridea for answers on how to break the cycle, not sitting in a stone hut all day
The other problem is that Rey wrecked Kylo 10 minutes after finding out what the Force is, which made taking Luke off the board due to his “insane power level” pointless.
Again, Kennedy and Disney made decisions which completely contradicted each other and put themselves in a hole which they are still digging themselves out of 9 fricking years later. The whole sequel trilogy was so cringy
He had a bleeding hole in his stomach
Doesn't The Last Jedi take place almost immediately after TFA? Kylo healed up pretty damn quick from such a wound.
He’s a fricking Skywalker with 20 years of training. He should have been able to take out an entire army of Reys even if he was castrated, concussed, and his heart was hanging out of his chest. It was a joke that he lost a lightsaber duel to her, and it both neutered him as a threat and made her “need for further training” ridiculous.
Rey needed some type of accomplishment at the end of TFA, but winning the Super Bowl against Tom Brady 4 minutes after being told what football is, is so fricking stupid. And it’s actually deeply anti-female as it patronizes the frick out of her.
But he easily beat Finn, a combat trained man
>60 year old Luke Skywalker would have been the most powerful being to ever live and he would have been at least twice as powerful as full power Palpatine.
I know this is from Lucas but it's alwaya been ridiculous to me.
>Anakin is most powerful being ever
>he is literally created by the Force itself
>he is far more powerful than Yoda/ Palpatine (if/ when he realizes his full potential)
>Anakin is severely injured on Mustafar, losing half his body in the fire
>these injuries limit his upward potential
>Anakin has 2 kids
>both have the exact SAME POTENTIAL as Anakin
>one of them trains for a year or two (Leia) and quits
>the other (Luke) trains for 40 years while rebuilding the Jedi Order, thus becoming the most powerful ever
It’s pretty basic shit. Why is it hard to understand?
is most powerful being ever
>>he is literally created by the Force itself
Becsuse this was always moronic.
And yet you defend Rey Sue every day.
Not really, no. Try again.
>not really
You’re TLJ schizo. You’re here all the time posting apologetics for the corporate trilogy, and pushing Rey Palpatine as a good well-written character
No. I just think the Chosen One stuff is stupid and always have.
It’s one of the most commonly tropes in both the fantasy literature genre and religions more broadly. It fits perfectly fine in Star Wars
No.
Yes
Someone who legitimately thinks Corporate Rey is a well written character doesn’t like a ubiquitous fantasy trope appearing in Space Opera Wars.
You’re a man of hard genetic limitations
You're an idiot grasping at straws.
>No. I just think the Chosen One stuff is stupid and always have.
But you love Rey Palpatine, who was chosen by the Force?
>But you love Rey Palpatine
Still no.
Why did Luke need to become an incel. He just helped take down the leadership of the empire with his friends. The entire galaxy was at his fingertips so why all of the choices he could have made would he try and revive the childfricking assassin cult of the Republic and then become a bitter old frick about it. He should have just taken Han up on his original offer and got some cash and go on space adventures on the Millenium Falcon.
Do you think George Lucas knows about this character?
George Lucas wants to personally kill you
Then why did he insist on ending the star wars trilogy with such a positive note but then make Luke into a broken hermit? The old expanded universe of him rebuilding the Jedi Order was more interesting and fitting.
This.
Luke founding and building the New Jedi Order is literally what 90% of the fanbase wants. It’s literally a huge part of the subtext of the OT, and it allows Anakin to right his wrongs through his son and daughter. Now the story is one big corporate clusterfrick and no one is happy
Pissing away Star Wars Hogwarts is the biggest frickup in film history
Nobody plays with toys nowadays.
manchildren still buy them. Also legos sell no matter what
Touch grass and have sex. Kids still love legos.
>arrow isn't red
not clicking
What's a good example of the 'hero turned jaded recluse' trope? Because I know I've seen this shit done right before but I can't recall.
Lucas is a hack who lost it after the OT, some might argue during RotJ
Luke being a hermit is a decent idea but it needs a better reason
>end of OOT, Luke jumpstarts the Jedi order
>after getting a handful of students, Luke realizes he's a shit teacher
>starts to doubt his Jedi skills
>gets one of his students killed in a lightsaber training session
>Luke stops teaching
>instead isolates himself trying to communicate with Obi Wan's force ghost
>but because of Luke doubting himself so much, his mind isn't clear so he can no longer communicate with Obi Wan
>this makes it worse, thinking he lost his force connection
Luke could have discovered the dark origins of the Jedi Order, or that the Order itself was largely corrupt throughout its history- thus disillusioning him on the faith
Luke could have discovered that the Force itself was inherently dark and disruptive and that it’s continued usage would always eventually bring wreckage to the galaxy so he felt he should cease using it
Luke could have found out that the Skywalker bloodline was created by the Mortis Gods with the specific intent to destroy all force based Orders (Jedi or Sith) in the Galaxy and thus rebuilding the order would be useless
Decisions Luke made (in good faith) could have accidentally led to the death of Mara Jade at the hands of Ben Solo, and thus he felt he no longer deserved the title of Grandmaster and went into exile to rethink the Order
Luke was guarding the tomb of an ancient evil that could destroy the galaxy had it gotten out
Luke saw a future where if he continued to build the Jedi Order that Leia would fall to the dark side, and thus he disbanded the Order in order to protect his sister
Luke could have led the New Jedi Order into battle against Thrawn/ The Grysk/ The Vong, etc and lost most of them in the battle to save the Galaxy. And this because he has survivors guilt, he goes off to Ach-To to meditate on the loss of hundreds of his Jedi
These are all off the top of my head.
I dont like how he dies like a fart in the wind instead of actually being there and dying physically to kylo ren