>OP image is about Zendaya's Chani for DUNC >wah who is talking about Zendaya?!
You're an idiot.
Chani is simply the next victim of the ongoing erasure of redheads by Hollywood.
>next victim
Lynch/DeLaurentis adaptation: pale brunette. SciFi channel miniseries: pale brunette.
DUNC: brown brunette.
Nobody ever brought up her bring redhaired until DUNC.
This frames how lazy casting was on DUNC, like not a single actor could bother losing weight and at least try to look like a real Fremen, only exception is the rat guy but he always were some flaccid skinny guy.
There is nothing particularly accurate about that random art. But it's funny you mention body shape and size, as Zendaya is the closest to that body type and shape (the only difference is her coloring), than Sean Young or Barabora whateverhername who previously played Chani.
It's almost like you're all a bunch of newbies jumping on the latest bandwagon to hate on without any regard to what came previously, yet you harp on the typical "new bad old good" while your exposure to "old" is incomplete or recent.
That being said, SciFi miniseries is still far and away the adaptation to try to beat, and DUNC has some positive aspects but is very boring aesthetically, and the Harkonnens and atrocious compared to the previous adaptations.
Paul and Jessica, and Duncan Idaho's death, were the only things that DUNC carried by far. Ferguson as Sayadinna Jessica will carry the next film and if Chalamet can pull of the Maud'Dib aspect of Paul Atreides (Alec Newman nails Muad'Dib and the Prophet but was a weak Paul), then that might push DUNC part 2 over it.
It doesn't matter anyway because Heretics and Chapterhouse are the best Dune novels and we'll never get adaptations of those.
You miss understood me about the body comment. Its not about realism or even being closer to the book, the point of that drawing is that it has a style, characterization starts on how the character looks, it makes for better historytelling.
DUNC looks like a grey blob, the characters stand out and they don't look like starved alien desert people, they look like actors in motorbike costumes.
You compare to Lynch's movie and the costumes and set designs are so visually interesting you can get away with your actors looking like that.
Meanwhile DUNC that has 5 times the budget even in 1980 money and nobody cares, everybody delivers a mediocre work on mediocre costumes behind a greenscreen.
>the only difference is her coloring
The biggest difference is her uggo gigantic nose, monkey face compared to chani elfin features i dont give a frick about "new bad old good" i hate when her casting is praised as good because she is "Black therebefore accurate sand girl casting" She is fricking ugly to look at >Ferguson as Sayadinna Jessica will carry the next film
And don't forget Zendaya moron, the actual protagonist for the next movie while Paul is relegated to a meek cuck who takes orders from his girlfriend
>OP image is about Zendaya's Chani for DUNC >wah who is talking about Zendaya?!
You're an idiot.
[...] >next victim
Lynch/DeLaurentis adaptation: pale brunette. SciFi channel miniseries: pale brunette.
DUNC: brown brunette.
Nobody ever brought up her bring redhaired until DUNC.
[...]
There is nothing particularly accurate about that random art. But it's funny you mention body shape and size, as Zendaya is the closest to that body type and shape (the only difference is her coloring), than Sean Young or Barabora whateverhername who previously played Chani.
It's almost like you're all a bunch of newbies jumping on the latest bandwagon to hate on without any regard to what came previously, yet you harp on the typical "new bad old good" while your exposure to "old" is incomplete or recent.
That being said, SciFi miniseries is still far and away the adaptation to try to beat, and DUNC has some positive aspects but is very boring aesthetically, and the Harkonnens and atrocious compared to the previous adaptations.
Paul and Jessica, and Duncan Idaho's death, were the only things that DUNC carried by far. Ferguson as Sayadinna Jessica will carry the next film and if Chalamet can pull of the Maud'Dib aspect of Paul Atreides (Alec Newman nails Muad'Dib and the Prophet but was a weak Paul), then that might push DUNC part 2 over it.
It doesn't matter anyway because Heretics and Chapterhouse are the best Dune novels and we'll never get adaptations of those.
We're living in an era of greater representation, chuds. We deserved to get a redheaded MENA Chani.
This frames how lazy casting was on DUNC, like not a single actor could bother losing weight and at least try to look like a real Fremen, only exception is the rat guy but he always were some flaccid skinny guy.
Chani, Duncan and Thufir Hawat are horribly miscast.
Also having black people as fremen is insane, considering how homogenized and isolated they are over millennia.
How the frick is there a random black person there if they interbred over a period of 5000+ years?
Anyway Duncan is the worst offender. Momoa just looks like a blockhead oaf brodude.
Should've gotten someone closer to Karl Urban or Joel Edgerton or whatnot.
What the frick were they thinking with Momoa, jfc... this is one of the central characters of the book series and they cast a lughead.
Duncan only becomes a real character on God-Emperor, on the first one his only meaningful scene is seething at Jessica and they cut that out. On Messiah he just stands there literally dead-eyed staring the wall until he becomes a real boy. Momoa was ok, not the worst casting in the movie by far
Are you sure you are remembering right? For me he just stands there on his best pinocchio impression until his cell memory wakes up and he does a thing. Its more about Paul dealing with his waning empire and enemies from within.
>the ghola is centray to the ENTIRE plot >Paul spends time talking to the ghola trying to figure it out >from the ghola's perspective, Duncan is trying to figure out who he is both as a person and as a tool of the enemy >parallel to Paul in overcoming programming, overcoming destiny and drawing upon the past to shape the present and future and become an enlightened and elevated person >the finale has Duncan awaken and come into his own, not as a tool of the Tleilaxu and the Atreides, but as a person in his own right
etc..
He's one of the two main drives of the entire plot of the second book, the other being Paul hesitant about his fate and role
>reduced to a multiethnic group of biker dudes hanging out in the desert >black fremen shows up, immediately acts out and wants to jump Paul for no reason >they all wear weird loose biker clothing >no trace of any muslim terminology or cultural traits >jihad switched to holy war >in the future vision Paul is fighting with his fremen troops in some cheap power ranger armor >Chani looks like some shifty hoodrat
They got Stilgar right, but it's kind of hard to miss with Bardem.
It's also a bit ludicrous that all the fremen seem to have different accents, Bardem, Chani and Jamis don't sound like they belong to the same group at all.
>They got Stilgar right, but it's kind of hard to miss with Bardem.
Yeah a few months back I did a big rundown on my thoughts on the 3 adaptations, and Stilgar is the one character I've not had any issues with on any of the adaptations.
This was such a piece of shit adaptation, I can't get over it. > Genderswapped and raceswappped Liet. >Random nogs everywhere despite sandBlack person setting. >Paul and his mother are in hysterics. >Paul nerfed to high heaven. >Fricking Zendya, just why. >Complete and utter destruction of Baron's entire personality. >Emperor's troupes are not disguised. >Comletely random chronological changes.
I could go on and on.
Even if I somehow excuse all the "editorial" choices about the setting and the cast and so on the worst offender is that every scene goes like this
>[cut to new location] >usually only 2 characters standing around in a large empty minimalistic room/area >Person A says something cryptic >long pause >Person B glares at person A >Person A asks something >even longer pause >Person B answers cryptically >dramatic droning music swells >[cut to new location]
Every single fricking interaction is like this. It's like you're getting abbreviated TRAILER-friendly conversations ALL the time. Everything is cryptic and half-spoken, every thought trails off and cuts away to something else. Everyone uses as few words as possible to say nothing at all.
The entire thing is written and edited like a trailer for itself.
Yeah, that was awful. And some scenes felt just completely disconnected. >Cut to a new scene. >Mother, I know that you're pregnant. >How could you know, it's only been a few weeks? >dramatic droning music swells >Cut to unreleted scene, never mention it again.
>Mother, I know that you're pregnant. >How could you know, it's only been a few weeks? >dramatic droning music swells >Cut to unreleted scene, never mention it again.
That was the worst scene. Thats such a huge fricking revelation in the book and happens during Pauls breakdown
this is something directors do to make their work seem artistic or profound. Slow dialogue and slow camera movements. really really obnoxious, but plenty of plebs like it.
I would unironically prefer if Dune was directed in the "slow cinema" style, like Solaris or something like that. Just soaking in the locations, the desert, the way of life and the routines these characters go through.
But Villeneuve's approach is to go minimalistic and then still cut it like a regular movie.
>fremen known to be hyperisolationist to the point that nobody even knows who they are, what their numbers are, what their culture is like and so on...
>rando loudmouth hoodrat aggressive black guy fremen
So is there a black fremen sietch somewhere where they have all the black fremen and this guy is out on loan hanging out with Stilgar's crew or what? If not how come he's totally black? Shouldn't the fremen be interbreeding for like ten thousand years.
Since Kynes went native I guess it's possible for outsiders to become fremen eventually but Jamis seems established, unless they just picked him up at the spaceport and were teaching him wrong on purpose, as a joke.
In book there's constant intermixing between Fremen (moronic name for Free Men, it just annoys me to no end, it's Eragon-tier name) / the city population.
In the movie, it's never mentioned, because diversity is natural and stunning and brave.
I think the books portray it more like fremen being embedded in the city population rather than them drawing civilians into their ranks to bolster numbers.
Or fremen having adjacent "cells" of half-fremen operating embedded in the civilian population. Fremen sympathizers so to speak.
Or, most of the city population actually being fremen (from way back when) that got simply domesticated by the ruling houses and turned into a workforce.
Either way I don't see the sietch fremen, who are very secretive, randomly recruiting civilians into their ranks at all.
Kynes is an exception due to his work on the ecology angle and helping fremen with their water stuff.
I think I disliked the bagpipes the most.
In fact, the "style" of everything looks like it maybe takes place a couple hundred years in the future at most, when in fact it takes place about 20000 years.
Should have casted Christina Hendricks
seems so, Hollyweird is dead https://files.catbox.moe/9xpxh7.jpg
She can't keep getting away with it
>love interest
>is a hot underaged girl
all male authors are pedos
>zendaya
>hot
yeah, what the frick?
WHO THE FRICK WAS TALKING ABOUT ZENDAYA
She's the uggo in the picture.
>OP image is about Zendaya's Chani for DUNC
>wah who is talking about Zendaya?!
You're an idiot.
>next victim
Lynch/DeLaurentis adaptation: pale brunette. SciFi channel miniseries: pale brunette.
DUNC: brown brunette.
Nobody ever brought up her bring redhaired until DUNC.
There is nothing particularly accurate about that random art. But it's funny you mention body shape and size, as Zendaya is the closest to that body type and shape (the only difference is her coloring), than Sean Young or Barabora whateverhername who previously played Chani.
It's almost like you're all a bunch of newbies jumping on the latest bandwagon to hate on without any regard to what came previously, yet you harp on the typical "new bad old good" while your exposure to "old" is incomplete or recent.
That being said, SciFi miniseries is still far and away the adaptation to try to beat, and DUNC has some positive aspects but is very boring aesthetically, and the Harkonnens and atrocious compared to the previous adaptations.
Paul and Jessica, and Duncan Idaho's death, were the only things that DUNC carried by far. Ferguson as Sayadinna Jessica will carry the next film and if Chalamet can pull of the Maud'Dib aspect of Paul Atreides (Alec Newman nails Muad'Dib and the Prophet but was a weak Paul), then that might push DUNC part 2 over it.
It doesn't matter anyway because Heretics and Chapterhouse are the best Dune novels and we'll never get adaptations of those.
You miss understood me about the body comment. Its not about realism or even being closer to the book, the point of that drawing is that it has a style, characterization starts on how the character looks, it makes for better historytelling.
DUNC looks like a grey blob, the characters stand out and they don't look like starved alien desert people, they look like actors in motorbike costumes.
You compare to Lynch's movie and the costumes and set designs are so visually interesting you can get away with your actors looking like that.
Meanwhile DUNC that has 5 times the budget even in 1980 money and nobody cares, everybody delivers a mediocre work on mediocre costumes behind a greenscreen.
>the only difference is her coloring
The biggest difference is her uggo gigantic nose, monkey face compared to chani elfin features i dont give a frick about "new bad old good" i hate when her casting is praised as good because she is "Black therebefore accurate sand girl casting" She is fricking ugly to look at
>Ferguson as Sayadinna Jessica will carry the next film
And don't forget Zendaya moron, the actual protagonist for the next movie while Paul is relegated to a meek cuck who takes orders from his girlfriend
>Lynch/DeLaurentis adaptation: pale brunette. SciFi channel miniseries: pale brunette.
>DUNC: brown brunette.
At least they were attractive, though. Zendaya looks like a pug.
Paul is also underaged moron
thats different
Wait til they adapt Messiah's romance between a 40yo+ zombie and a 16 yo magical girl
The part Momoa was born to play!
What is the age of consent on Arrakis, though?
If she's wet. She's ready
She's ugly, DJ Racemixer
Funny how her red hair never came up with Sean Young or the Romanian titcow adaptations but only for DUNC and Zendaya.
t. Biden voting single mother with mulatto child
We're living in an era of greater representation, chuds. We deserved to get a redheaded MENA Chani.
MIA tried to warn us, but we didn't listen
Chani is simply the next victim of the ongoing erasure of redheads by Hollywood.
This frames how lazy casting was on DUNC, like not a single actor could bother losing weight and at least try to look like a real Fremen, only exception is the rat guy but he always were some flaccid skinny guy.
Where in the book is she described as an absolute DOG of a woman?
I wonder how zoomers will react to Zendaya dying during childbirth.
I also wonder how pol will react to the original God Emperor being a mulatto
I don't know if anyone have noticed it, but Chani being black means that Leto II and Ghanima
>I wonder how zoomers will react to Zendaya dying during childbirth
Dune Messiah is never getting done
Chani, Duncan and Thufir Hawat are horribly miscast.
Also having black people as fremen is insane, considering how homogenized and isolated they are over millennia.
How the frick is there a random black person there if they interbred over a period of 5000+ years?
Anyway Duncan is the worst offender. Momoa just looks like a blockhead oaf brodude.
Should've gotten someone closer to Karl Urban or Joel Edgerton or whatnot.
What the frick were they thinking with Momoa, jfc... this is one of the central characters of the book series and they cast a lughead.
duncan is a shit character and no casting can change that
Duncan only becomes a real character on God-Emperor, on the first one his only meaningful scene is seething at Jessica and they cut that out. On Messiah he just stands there literally dead-eyed staring the wall until he becomes a real boy. Momoa was ok, not the worst casting in the movie by far
bro, Dune Messiah is ALL about Duncan
Are you sure you are remembering right? For me he just stands there on his best pinocchio impression until his cell memory wakes up and he does a thing. Its more about Paul dealing with his waning empire and enemies from within.
>the ghola is centray to the ENTIRE plot
>Paul spends time talking to the ghola trying to figure it out
>from the ghola's perspective, Duncan is trying to figure out who he is both as a person and as a tool of the enemy
>parallel to Paul in overcoming programming, overcoming destiny and drawing upon the past to shape the present and future and become an enlightened and elevated person
>the finale has Duncan awaken and come into his own, not as a tool of the Tleilaxu and the Atreides, but as a person in his own right
etc..
He's one of the two main drives of the entire plot of the second book, the other being Paul hesitant about his fate and role
Dune Messiah is all about wanting to kill chani or using chani to destroy paul but duncan is important too
>fremen
>reduced to a multiethnic group of biker dudes hanging out in the desert
>black fremen shows up, immediately acts out and wants to jump Paul for no reason
>they all wear weird loose biker clothing
>no trace of any muslim terminology or cultural traits
>jihad switched to holy war
>in the future vision Paul is fighting with his fremen troops in some cheap power ranger armor
>Chani looks like some shifty hoodrat
They got Stilgar right, but it's kind of hard to miss with Bardem.
It's also a bit ludicrous that all the fremen seem to have different accents, Bardem, Chani and Jamis don't sound like they belong to the same group at all.
>They got Stilgar right, but it's kind of hard to miss with Bardem.
Yeah a few months back I did a big rundown on my thoughts on the 3 adaptations, and Stilgar is the one character I've not had any issues with on any of the adaptations.
>wasting water
This was such a piece of shit adaptation, I can't get over it.
> Genderswapped and raceswappped Liet.
>Random nogs everywhere despite sandBlack person setting.
>Paul and his mother are in hysterics.
>Paul nerfed to high heaven.
>Fricking Zendya, just why.
>Complete and utter destruction of Baron's entire personality.
>Emperor's troupes are not disguised.
>Comletely random chronological changes.
I could go on and on.
Even if I somehow excuse all the "editorial" choices about the setting and the cast and so on the worst offender is that every scene goes like this
>[cut to new location]
>usually only 2 characters standing around in a large empty minimalistic room/area
>Person A says something cryptic
>long pause
>Person B glares at person A
>Person A asks something
>even longer pause
>Person B answers cryptically
>dramatic droning music swells
>[cut to new location]
Every single fricking interaction is like this. It's like you're getting abbreviated TRAILER-friendly conversations ALL the time. Everything is cryptic and half-spoken, every thought trails off and cuts away to something else. Everyone uses as few words as possible to say nothing at all.
The entire thing is written and edited like a trailer for itself.
Yeah, that was awful. And some scenes felt just completely disconnected.
>Cut to a new scene.
>Mother, I know that you're pregnant.
>How could you know, it's only been a few weeks?
>dramatic droning music swells
>Cut to unreleted scene, never mention it again.
>Mother, I know that you're pregnant.
>How could you know, it's only been a few weeks?
>dramatic droning music swells
>Cut to unreleted scene, never mention it again.
That was the worst scene. Thats such a huge fricking revelation in the book and happens during Pauls breakdown
this is something directors do to make their work seem artistic or profound. Slow dialogue and slow camera movements. really really obnoxious, but plenty of plebs like it.
I would unironically prefer if Dune was directed in the "slow cinema" style, like Solaris or something like that. Just soaking in the locations, the desert, the way of life and the routines these characters go through.
But Villeneuve's approach is to go minimalistic and then still cut it like a regular movie.
Good observation
plus villenureddit's lifeless pseudoartistic directing and aesthetic
*smacks lip*
Ayo das rite I'm da empeery'all planekdollagist and shiet nayumsayin DOKTAH KINES and shiet.
>fremen known to be hyperisolationist to the point that nobody even knows who they are, what their numbers are, what their culture is like and so on...
>rando loudmouth hoodrat aggressive black guy fremen
So is there a black fremen sietch somewhere where they have all the black fremen and this guy is out on loan hanging out with Stilgar's crew or what? If not how come he's totally black? Shouldn't the fremen be interbreeding for like ten thousand years.
Since Kynes went native I guess it's possible for outsiders to become fremen eventually but Jamis seems established, unless they just picked him up at the spaceport and were teaching him wrong on purpose, as a joke.
In book there's constant intermixing between Fremen (moronic name for Free Men, it just annoys me to no end, it's Eragon-tier name) / the city population.
In the movie, it's never mentioned, because diversity is natural and stunning and brave.
I think the books portray it more like fremen being embedded in the city population rather than them drawing civilians into their ranks to bolster numbers.
Or fremen having adjacent "cells" of half-fremen operating embedded in the civilian population. Fremen sympathizers so to speak.
Or, most of the city population actually being fremen (from way back when) that got simply domesticated by the ruling houses and turned into a workforce.
Either way I don't see the sietch fremen, who are very secretive, randomly recruiting civilians into their ranks at all.
Kynes is an exception due to his work on the ecology angle and helping fremen with their water stuff.
You know the answer is because they're the heckin diverse natives right? Like that's what these filmmakers are thinking.
I think I disliked the bagpipes the most.
In fact, the "style" of everything looks like it maybe takes place a couple hundred years in the future at most, when in fact it takes place about 20000 years.
Slampig
I really liked Oscar Isaac and Josh Brolin in their roles.
For me, of the best casting choices.
>let's design and use armor where the combatant can't raise their arms at all in a setting where heavy hand-to-hand combat is necessary
what the frick were they thinking
Bad acting direction from both.
Really? I thought they were both horrible.
>Redhead
>in the desert
The ornithopters looked amazing.
But the large ships both from Atreides and Harkonnens looked just too simple.
Same with the Guild ship.
I think I hated the Sardaukar the most.
They were just wearing some loose-fitting pajama outfits and looked entirely unremarkable.
>ginger erasure
You spelled "white" wrong...
Frick Hollywood. If we can't have our own nation and culture, than neither can the shitskins.
Then*
If you're going to larp as a white man, at least write like one.
>Chani looks 27
>Paul looks 35
I never really cared about what age Paul is in the book, but it's kind of funny that Kyle looks like a grown ass man.