Give me an in-universe reason why Super-villains aren't killed
No, "Because they are popular and sell comics" is a meta reason and not an in-universe reason.
Give me an in-universe reason why Super-villains aren't killed
Give me an in-universe reason why Super-villains aren't killed
No, "Because they are popular and sell comics" is a meta reason and not an in-universe reason.
They'll come back to life anyway
Cops would whine they can't meet quotas.
Black person.
wow pwned /b/rother
A lot of heroes hold strong moral values although this is very inconsistently applied.
This. Haven't we thoroughly deconstructed this for decades on the pages of Punisher?
Should we really blame the capes for not wanting to be judge, jury, and executioner? Why do the actual judges, juries, and executioners never get shit for this?
Hasn't the MCU killed almost every villain it has introduced?
Does this look like Cinemaphile to you dipshit?
With that OP? Yeah, it does.
It does, Black person. The OP is, in fact, live-action. have a nice day.
By taking away Walker's shield, they not only show disrespect to the entire generation of millennials and zoomers who have spent the last 20 years fighting America's longest war in Afghanistan and Iraq... but they have also emasculated a PTSD-ridden basedboi like Walker. Losing the shield would be having your wiener and balls snipped off. They castrated Walker.
So an average day for the CIA?
>Walker lets his target of revenge get away so he could rescue a bus full of civillians, the lesson being that saving people is better than revenge
>I genuinely can't remember if Falcon or Metal Arm Boy stopped the Flag Smasher, I think some chick popped out and shot her while they were failing to talk her down and then Falcon said "Y'all gotta do better. Dey ain't terrorists."
How did they manage to make Walker the most heroic figure when they've been pushing him hard as an evil alt right strawman?
> pushing him hard as an evil alt right strawman
Not even a shade of the alt right, and he teams up with the heroes in the end
The fact that it tooks the heroes, I think 6 episodes to capture some stupid b***h and a bunch of soibois and they're still brought down by someone other than main heroes anyway is absolutely astonishing.
>but they have the serum
So does Bucky and later Walker. Which basically makes it "world's most dangerous assassin who fought against Thanos' forces and an ex-Special Forces vs a bunch of antifa".
Their serum was better or some shit; which allowed them to look DYEL while potentially being able to bench press as much as Steve.
>How did they manage to make Walker the most heroic figure when they've been pushing him hard as an evil alt right strawman?
This happened in your mind
>Losing the shield would be having your wiener and balls snipped off. They castrated Walker.
Go read some USAgents comics you fricking casual homosexual
Ah, this image brings me back. Does anyone have the edits from that thread?
>show disrespect to the entire generation of millennials and zoomers who have spent the last 20 years fighting America's longest war in Afghanistan and Iraq
They should wake the frick up and realize who sent them there for no real reason and do more against them.
Because, "If you kill a killer . . ." Yadda yadda.
>If you kill a killer, the number of killers in the world stays the same...
>What a stupid fricking quote, I'm killing more than one guy idiot
what if you killed the killer then an hero'd?
What if I killed all the killers? Then there'd be only one like Highlander
A lot of supervillains are killed , see the Iron man rogue gallery.
The powerful ones survive because they are the powerful ones
Superheroes are an unvetted, extra-judicial group of vigilantes. They are all technically breaking the law, as they have not been authorized to do what they do.
The actual authorities are largely willing to overlook this because of the benefits they provide, but that is contingent on the superheroes not rocking the boat. No one is too unhappy with a superhero grabbing criminals and dropping them off at the local police department. Processing them in the legal system might be hell considering most heroes are not forensic detectives and they probably didn't file proper evidence of the crime, but its generally seen as a good thing.
Heroes going off and executing people on their own, however, is something that no government is going to tolerate because it circumvents the monopoly on the legitimate use of force that governments are founded on. You can get away with "I was fighting Doctor Nefarious and I had to kill him, it was him or me", there might be an investigation into it or there might not but thats largely going to be seen as alright. But someone like Frank Castle going around blowing away anyone he feels 'deserves to die'? As far as the authorities are concerned he's as much a criminal as the guys he is killing, and that doesn't change if he's wearing a cape and domino mask when he does it.
Superman only doesn't scare the pants off of everyone because he is the big blue boyscout. If it was not for his strict adherence to his moral code, the no kill rule included, Lex Luthor would not be a Supervillain. Lex Luthor would be the guy that the CIA funded to kill Superman.
tldr: Superheroes are vigilantes that are TOLERATED by the government as long as they play nice, if they don't the hammer will come down
>extra-judicial group of vigilantes. They are all technically breaking the law
Batman is a deputized member of the GCPD in some stories (the fun ones)
They have to go through the justice system like everybody else
Do you not get tired of this discussion every day? If you have such a big problem with this why are you consuming this media?
Killing is wrong. And bad. There should be a new, stronger word for killing. Like badwrong, or badong. Yes, killing is badong
Superheroes stand for the opposite of killing: gnodab.
Do you seek the path of Gnodab?
Stream that film if you're so great
Because heroes don't need to inflict needless bloodshed.
But most of these heroes are war veterans.
The vast majority of supervillains are usually just interested in robbing banks or fighting grudge matches with superheroes. We don't execute people for robbing banks or for public brawling. Whatever argument you have for why the Joker, Carnage or Magneto should be killed on sight shouldn't apply to all supervillains, and moronic edgelord writers shouldn't go turning lower-tier villains into killers out of nowhere in the first place.
And you really don't want a situation where unsanctioned vigilantes are allowed to execute their defeated enemies in the streets and get away with it.
>We don't execute people for robbing banks
Why?
If the penalty for every crime is death, there's no reason for a criminal to not do every crime. If the penalty for robbing a bank is death, and the penalty for murder is also death, there's no reason for the robber to not slaughter everyone in the bank and leave no witnesses. If murder carries a death penalty and bank robbery results in a prison sentence, the robber has an incentive to not kill people and get a worse sentence if he's caught.
>If the penalty for every crime is death
I did not ask that
I asked why stealing isn't punishable by death
Because it's not that serious of a crime, imprisonment or fines is a lot more reasonable.
Additionally, if someone was falsely accused of theft (which is pretty possible) and they are executed you just killed an innocent man and can't take that back even when he's proven not guilty after the fact. At least with imprisonment they can be released early and return back to their normal lives. The death sentence for this reason should almost not exist at all, the only instances where I can see it being justifiable is if there is absolutely no doubt the person committed the crime and the crime was appropriately heinous, like someone caught and subdued in the act of committing a mass murder.
Because who does it hurt?
Anything less than $250k is insured. Banks don't generally have scourge mc duck amounts on hand. Even if you manage to get to the vault it would be hard as frick to launder that much or spend it with all the tech.
White collar criminals steal far more everyday from workers and middle class and you aren't touching them with the lawyers the government has. Nor would you have much of a society if costume fricks start lopping their heads off.
>there's no reason for the robber to not slaughter everyone in the bank and leave no witnesses
there is if the death for murder is far, far worse than the death for robbery
I don't think robbery should carry the death penalty, at least on its first offense, anyways but you're operating as though they'll get the same treatment as a simple hold up man as they would as a mass murderer.
>anons in this thread referencing ideas by Weber and Sun Tzu
shit georgetown must have let out for the summer
>Magneto
He gud boi he dindu nuffin
He's sorry
Or whatever the X-gay cope is, I dunno. I just took a guess.
Really makes you wish Lee and Kirby had bothered to give him an origin in the 60s, doesn't it?
Weirdly enough, I like the idea of Holocaust survivor Magneto. A villain who becomes exactly what he hates is a pretty cool concept. But I guess that's "problematic" so Marvel chooses to make him a sugarcoated dindu most of the time.
Its problematic because WW2 keeps getting further and further into the past, which necessitates Magento becoming much older than he reasonable she be able to be in fighting condition for.
If comics told stories, finished them, and moved on? Holocaust survivor Magneto would remain this excellent idea in the stories he was in. But the need to keep making Magneto stories in the 'current year' fricks things up.
You can't have EVERY hero and villain where WW2 is central to their identity have been frozen in ice for decades.
I suppose it could have worked if they'd just approached it that he survived the Holocaust and what he learned from it was it's better to strike first and be the oppressor than the oppressed, but instead they tried to retcon his whole history to pretend he was fighting to protect the mutants, and pretend he was some noble well-meaning guy who just took things too far.
There's enough ways within Marvel for characters to cheat the aging process that it's not a problem in-story, it just becomes weird and offputting to newer readers, the same for any other characters who are tied to wars too far in the past for them to reasonably be as old as they seem in the comics.
Yep, that's exactly it.
Magneto who's repeating the exact same mistakes his tormentors did and falling into the same extremes yet is too blinded by his own rage and hatred to even acknowledge it sounds like a very interesting villain to me.
Too hard for writers to constantly come up with new villains
>Give me an in-universe reason why Super-villains aren't killed
No. They're popular and sell comics and merch, that's it.
You really don't seem to understand the medium you're a 'fan' of. If a hero kills, that just means he's not a real hero. There's a line that no human being should cross, even vigilantes that operate outside of the law already by being vigilantes need to make sure that the criminals they encountet are punished by the law.
A hero that kills needs the death sentence. Human life is important and the right to live is not one that should be so quickly taken away.
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What?
>If a hero kills, that just means he's not a real hero
Only the most moronic capeshit fanboys say this. Saying "a real hero doesn't kill" goes against the vast majority of real life stories and fictional stories involving stopping bad people from hurting innocents. You have to be seriously dumb to believe taking the life a villainous person is a bad thing.
I think you used the wrong image since the MCU killed them a lot.
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>unironically "don't ask questions just consume product"
I was watching Anaconda the other day, and the plot goes into very relevant territory. Towards the end of the movie the antagonist has been revealed, and our characters know he has killed multiple people, but when they have him at their mercy, they decide to take the high road and tie him up; this almost immediately backfires as he manages to kill the person guarding him and escape, only to continue harrying the protagonists. If you have a known unrepentant killer, there is nothing to be gained by sparing their life, they will use violence at their first opportunity. It's idealistic fancy that there should be a greater system in place to dole out justice, when the system is perpetually broken and corrupt.
>when the system is perpetually broken and corrupt.
It's idealistic to believe that it's the system and not the culture/environ one is exposed to that creates psychopathy. There are some people that are too far gone to help, sure. But being unable to discern that is also a culture/environ issue. We're in the wrong place for this kind of discussion.
imagine taking life advice from a shitty action movie
why 'weirdly'? it's a good concept for a character unless you are a weird holocaust denier
It's more of a problem with how it's used most of the time. Marvel is clearly uncomfortable with portraying a Holocaust survivor who became as bad as a nazi, so they keep downplaying his villainy.
Because cities are liberal.
Its not up to the hero to kill the villain, they are justified in doing what is possible to let due process play out as much as they are killing in self defense, but the government organizations are corrupt or incompetent and refuse to have capital punishment against these people. There's only an issue if batman stops a lynch mob from killing joker either
In-universe it doesn't make sense, but look at how the MTG fanbase is reacting to Elesh Norn dying and you'll see why most comicbook companies are reluctant to permanently off their villains
To be fair Elesh Norn is a machine mommy that people have been lusting after for almost a decade. 2 decades if you consider the time between Mirrodin and her first print. Killing off her was never going to go well. Like killing Sylvanas (again).
There's also that their villains get iced immediately but MaRo's desire to have his own Avengers keeps the designated main character Planeswalkers reappearing even as terrible balancing turns them into "I never want to see this face again" boogeymen.
Sliding timeline means that they never actually get the heroes fed up with them.
Miller's MK Spider-Man run went with the Rich Corporations/Old Man created and funded supervillains since the golden age to keep the Capes busy so they could do shady stuff. And this run was in 2004.
TL;DR
Why? Because of The Rich controls the system
>in-universe
Same reasons why cops killing criminals is seen in a bad light
Because cops are essentially internet jannies with guns?
Nah, those get paid, super heroes do it for free
i wonder what would happen in universe if a cop killed a superhero by mistake
the minute they actually kill one in cold blood, it is revealed that it was actually the hero's love interest brainwashed and disguised the whole time. because comics
Because the laws in comics are changed in a way that they aren't. That's the best you'll get.
Honestly, if I lived in the Marvel/DC universe, what would be the point? Characters get resurrected/cloned/replaced by alternate universe versions or succeeded by some loony fan or minion all the goddamn time that permanently crippling someone like the Kingpin or sending Joker to alternate dimension has more lasting effect than killing them.
Why doesn't a big dick villain like Thanos or Kane just delete Frank Castle for being willing to kill?
Idk what you're talking about. My hero always tried to kill these super homosexuals. He was really good at it to. Killed 3/5 of his biggest threats. (Don't get it twisted though Peter definitely tried to kill the other two but they plot armored out of it)
Same reason you got morons in real life protesting the death of a violent criminal. They are more concerned about being outraged and virtue signaling in an attempt to push a narrative/agenda instead of the circumstances that led to the death. Just look at NY and the homeless pedophile that died.
wtf, Joker is black?
>Yes.
>Give me an in-universe reason why Super-villains aren't killed
They.. are? Like, all the fricking time.
Which instance SPECIFICALLY are you talking about?