Would you keep watching if they ended the show properly?
>Jon beat White Walkers
>Danny married him
They rule and have a daughter.
No Bran crap
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Give the people what they want
Friendly reminder they're aunt/nephew
>tfw your dad's your first cousin
And?
That means little and less to a dragon.
Friendly reminder that they are Targaryen and you are a dumb Black person.
inbreeding with your cousins/aunts/uncles is only a problem genetically if you keep doing it for several generations
for a random white family today, there's is basically no genetic downside to getting with your cousin
Too bad they're from a family notorious for doing it for several generations.
Yeah, but enough about your own desire to frick your cousins. Dany is a double incest baby, Jon is a double incest baby's son, and their family is known to be prone to madness, stillbirths and crippling physical deformities. Dany's first baby with Drogo was already said to have been born with scales and a tail.
Chances are their kids would be a freakshow if they had any.
that would make for a kino plotline though
I'm guessing that was fanfic by the show writers. But in the books is it actually hinted/revealed who his mother is?
>hinted at/revealed
Not officially yet, but all the pieces are in place.
>fanfic by the show writers
The story is that they were able to correctly guess Jon Snows parents and that’s how they got permission to make the show in the first place.
people have been guessing that L+R=J since the first book was published, its like the biggest open secret that the writer hasn't officially revealed in the series.
its all but confirmed, anon. the clues are everywhere in the first book.
>finished the first book like 3 days ago
>really want to watch the show(at least the good seasons) since I haven't seen it since it's original run
>really want to continue reading as well
Are they? Other than constantly mentioning Lyanna getting dragon-raped by Rhaegar and that Jon looks more like a Stark than the Tully mutts, I don't remember anything close to hinting at it.
when Ned goes into Littlefingers brothel and is kinda disgusted by the bastard that Robert has running around there, he doesn't think about Jon at all. you'd think he might feel some guilt towards fathering his own bastard, but he doesn't. because Jon isn't his bastard. thats just one off the top of my head.
Catelyn was supposed to be married to Ned's older brother, so it's understandable if the Second Son end up having a 'bastard' with a woman he was already involved with before his older brother died. Robert's brothel bastard happened over ten years after he's been married to Cersei, with a prostitute, the King made a bastard with a prostitute.
That's not how the timeline played out. Ned's brother dying was the catalist for the civil war, Ned marries Catelyn and John Arryn her sister to form the alliance bloc against the Targs, Ned knocks cat up and then goes off to war, Ned returns from the war to his son Rob by Cat and the child Jon.
If Ned had the "bastard" before Rob that would have muddled who was actual heir to Winterfell.
Ned could have been courting a lady before his older brother dies, when that happens, he marries and bang Catelyn and is off the war barely knowing her -- and so if while away from her, he encounters the original lady again
That would have him teleporting to Dorne and back without it ever being mentioned in the show or the books, if the most accepted story is the lady.
You just got the timeline wrong anon, it's okay I really enjoy this shit.
You can watch the first season since it’s pretty close to the first book, but I wouldn’t go beyond that.
S1 is definitely worth watching. Arguably 2 and 3 as well. Everything after that you can disregard
The knight of the laughing tree story isn’t fully told until dance with dragons though, right? That’s what really cements it for me, though there are plenty of clues I’m sure I missed.
Friendly reminder that black hair + blonde hair does not make more blonde hair.
Oh you mean like you're doing right now?
Why is his aunt asian? Did he steal his dad/mother's brother's wife?
Danny turning in the end and tearing down kings landing was always the end point.
But the writers fricked up everything else around it and rushed to that point.
George had already told them the end from season 1.
This colossal frick up is part of why it's taking George to write the new book. His ending has been raped beyond repair and if he heads in that direction, fans with revolt.
I seriously cannot believe not a single actor stood up and said "this is fricking stupid" during the filming for the final season.
If they didn't frick it all up in that sense, sure I would have kept watching.
Bran was a fricking shit character that didn't deserve literally anything that happened to him.
I did
It was like George gave them the spark notes of the end and they just filmed that without expanding or developing it at all.
Watching them do the press tours for season 8 was pretty funny.
Post examples
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Literally first page result for got season 8 press tour you lazy summer islander.
GRRM gave them 3 dot points and expected them to do the rest
Dany destroys Kings Landing
Bran on the throne
and I can't even remember the third
hodor holding the door, I think
>I seriously cannot believe not a single actor stood up and said "this is fricking stupid" during the filming for the final season.
Actually, there are many stories from the actors about them openly questioning the writing and dialogue of the later seasons. They were paid so well at that point they didn't push too hard and just kept cashing the cheques.
"Best season eva!!1"
Also why can't Americans spell names right. Nischelle? It's Michelle
This is truly my fav Got piece of media and perhaps even my fav Emilia clip
The actor playing Barristan was openly mocked by D&D for making suggestions. "We were even more glad that we kill him" (Barristan is still alive in books).
Those featurettes that played at the end of the episodes were absolutely brutal to watch that last season. Dinklage and Nikolaj were absolutely brutal and you could just fricking tell no one wanted to be there anymore. The last one I remember watching was the one before the battle with the white walkers, Dinklage totally called them moronic for hiding from a bad guy that can raise the dead in a crypt.
The documentary they aired about how they made the long night episode is a lynchian horror flick, they all go into detail about how they worked long hour night shifts and put in all this effort and made one of the worse episodes on TV ever and you can't even see shit for most of the episode
I thought Emilia actually did a pretty good job of sliding into being unhinged but it was definitely rushed. If they dedicated a season to the north and a season to the south it would have been much better paced but D&D threw GoT under the bus to go and make their Star Wars show, which got shitcanned anyway.
What are D&D working on now?
Three Body Problem that is in production hell I believe. But they didn't get their Star Wars, they didn't get their Netflix original series.
awful vanity projects
>cannot believe not a single actor stood up and said "this is fricking stupid"
The fat bald one did. Varys. He was pissed.
Ser Barristan did as well after he was killed off. He was one of the few who spoke up about the source material being crapped on.
I love Conleth's response in the final script reading. He reads his last line, and then folds his script and crosses his arms looking highly displeased. Dude is so based
>I seriously cannot believe not a single actor stood up and said "this is fricking stupid" during the filming for the final season.
Barristans actor did this when season 5 was filming and wrote a long, detailed letter explaining Barristans plot from the books and gave suggestions how to better flesh out his ending and Dumb and Dumber literally said "lol omg this just makes me want to kill him more"
Citation needed
Some old c**t actor looking for more screen time. Luvvie actors are gays
google it yourself you frickin dipshit moron
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This is why so many movies and shows are garbage nowadays, writers think they are the ones completely in charge and ignore when an actor who's playing the character tries to give advice.
>I seriously cannot believe not a single actor stood up and said "this is fricking stupid" during the filming for the final season.
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In a nutshell, I don't see what the problem with this is. The problem is that Tyrion survived the entire thing despite being a bigger snake than anyone.
>This colossal frick up is part of why it's taking George to write the new book.
And how do we explain the eight years prior to this frick up? The show going to shit has nothing to do with the fat man's inability to cum and finish.
There were a few big quality shifts. Going from season 4 to season 5 and then at whatever point they ran out of books.
I know when the show went to shit, I'm more interesting in people's excuses for the fat man.
Game of Thrones was fricked from the beginning, when they made Danerys' wedding night a rape scene when the whole point was that her husband could have rape her and made her a prostitute but he made her a Queen, and that was why she loved him so much, and that was why her grief was so understandable that she burnt the woman who her husband's tribe had enslaved alive. ...but D&D are trolls who aren't capable of directing an actual tender lovemaking scene.
They fricked up the Sandsnakes plot to make cheesy bad girls.
Ramsay is supposed to be repulsive, they decided to go for the cheap attractive bad boy.
Theon was supposed to be handsome and dashing -- someone that Robb had looked up to, the whole point was that he started out handsome and dashing but got torn down -- but he was kinda rat-llike from the start.
It was important that the "Stark girl" that Ramsay marries was just a commoner girl because that makes Theon saving her anyways important -- and Sansa was supposed to be somewhere else, but they decided they Sansa rape porn instead, what the frick is wrong with D&D?
>I seriously cannot believe not a single actor stood up and said "this is fricking stupid" during the filming for the final season.
some of them got big name recognition after the show and they where getting paid... a LOT.
>This colossal frick up is part of why it's taking George to write the new book
i've heard it before but didn't think anyone actually believed this lol
>tfw no nephson
I DONT WANT IT
The original ending was Bran warging into Drogon and fricking up kings landing
I'll never understand how so many people watched 8 seasons or whatever it was of that show and somehow expected there to be a fairy tale ending.. Did we just watch something completely different? Even if the final season was rushed and disappointing; I'll give D&D credit for sticking to their guns and staying true to things. I remember talking with people on here about how even in like season 3 it felt like Dany was being set up to turn evil but none of us thought they'd have the balls to actually do it.
Changing course after normies latch on to your show is exactly why shows like Dexter, Walking Dead, and Yellowstone fell off a fricking cliff in quality.
>expected there to be a fairy tale ending
Nobody is pissed because of the sad ending. It was GoT. We expected a bloody, sad finale. We're pissed because it was WRITTEN AND DIRECTED LIKE COMPLETE PUTRID DIARRHEA.
You know, like your brains.
Mongoloid.
Look at the OP, dipshit. There are a whole lot of people who are upset because it wasn't a fairy tale ending.
No one expected a fairy tale ending. But no one expected having a middle finger shoved in their face for 90 minutes either.
the more the hype for the show raised, the dumber the audience got, as exemplified by that live viewing at a bar that always got posted
it's hilarious to me that most of the ire at the final season is not the drop in quality over seasons culminating in a trash heap rushed half-season to finish, but that boss b***h dany turned mad queen
anybody with y chromosomes could see that dany was an awful leader, making short-term emotional decisions to make herself feel good and leaving a trail of destruction and chaos in her wake
D&D also literally said in an panel interview they wanted to tone down the show's fantasy elements because they wanted mothers and NFL fans to watch the show.
>as exemplified by that live viewing at a bar that always got posted
I'm convinced writers started writing lines and scenes to cater to this random hipster bar in Chicago, not even kidding
i suspect they were also the kind of people that lapped up the walking dead each week as well
brainlets that have no comprehension of media on a deeper level than "will my favorite character be brutally killed this week"?
They killed Ned and Robert in the first season.
There is no reason to continue to season 2. Who the frick am I supposed to give a frick about? The cripple? The incestual siblings? The little girl on the run? The permavirgin bastard?
Nah, dude. I wanted two old warrior friends in bodies that are failing them going on one last adventure together. That was the entire fricking hook of the show.
>whooooa haha but it was just to show you the character vould all just die any moment isnt that kewl
no it isnt i dont give a frick about any of the other character as. anything than plot points.
game of lost potential
Then you want Dunk and Egg, a knight in the seven kingdoms.
S2 is well done, S4 and everything after is completely skippable.
It was shit in Season 5 you losers
Someone please post the kino Jaime killing nightking green text, if for no other reason than to piss off that D&D gay shill that acts like they didn't do anything wrong
Got you senpai
WAHHHHHHHH WHY WASNT GAME OF THRONES CAPESHIT?!
>that D&D gay shill that acts like they didn't do anything wrong
Hey, he showed up!
would've been cringe
kino
dishonest israelite
Further proof that D&D are functionally moronic. The Kingslayer killing the Night King would have been genius and a great way to end Jamie’s arc. Instead we got anime-speed Arya doing knife tricks.
I mean it's a fun copy pasta but do you honestly think it's not also anime protag bullshit? Jaime's arc is about finding his place in the world and HIS meaning of the word honor, it's conclusion is him either killing or embracing Cercei. In a it's like poetry it rhymes way it works but thematically Jaime doesn't really give a shit about the small folk.
>thematically Jaime doesn't really give a shit about the small folk.
I can’t tell if that’s a serious statement.
It is, he turned on Aerys when he was ordered to kill his own father. He happened to save King's Landing, but that wasn't what actually drove him to doing it.
I disagree. He broke his vows when the king was going to blow up the whole city before Robert could get there.
>let him be king of the ashes
>do you know what the mad king said when I stabbed him? The same thing he’d been saying for hours, “burn them all”
And then you have all the time he spent in the riverlands where he ended up becoming pretty sympathetic to the common people and their plight.
We'll have to start with are we talking about the character in the books or the one in the show?
Because you are using show quotes there and I'm using book ones.
I'm talking about the book and his trip into the riverlands is not that at all, that's Brienne's POV. The chapters are there to make him more sympathetic but it has nothing to do with the common people, it's about him having to become a leader without being the greatest swordsman in Westeros.
I think the point is that it's no worse than what D&D wrote. And actually makes narrative sense.
There seem to be two camps of people in regard to GoT:
-People who want traditional stories told where characters and plot elements follow a coherent chain of events or development.
-People who want the show and characters to follow a chain of events and have these expectations subverted by shock and things coming out of left field. I'm going to lean on tradition and prefer to be in the former camp because that's how good stories are written. When someone reinvents the wheel and can figure out how to write a satisfying story and characters without anything resembling "the hero's journey", let me know.
George's entire ASoIaF series is about how "life is not like the stories", it's a subversion of tropes yet those tropes are still being fulfilled in a nuanced way. In my opinion that's why the series got as popular and successful. However, I wonder if George even realizes this because by his blog and forum posts, he seems to lack that understanding of his own work and his readers/audience's reaction to it.
For example, Clegane is from a vassal family of landed knights with a keep - someone who would have a knighthood and a good placement somewhere but he makes him a disfigured bitter butthole who spits on "knights", but in regard to Sansa, he is the best example of a true knight (who protects the princess) and does what his lord commands (listening to Joffrey).
Should Jon become king and everyone acknowledge his true name, rank and the fact that he also is a character deserving of it at the end? Maybe, maybe not. But you can't change human psychology. We are not going to say: "WOW what a great story, they built up Jon Snow and totally subverted me, wow ARYA killed the NK? Gee so cool!" To claim that people were satisfied with that beyond the thrill of the moment (shock schlock) is laughable.
>Continuing the Sandor Clegane thing:
George infamously responded to a forum post where female readers were IN LOVE with Sandor Clegane, saying he was so hot and interesting and dangerous, and George said "What about sweet innocent Sam?" (his self insert)
Not realizing The Hound IS the hot knight that all the girls want...Thereby fulfilling the trope of the knight in shining armor, but in a nuanced way.
>"What about sweet innocent Sam?"
This reminds me of Joss Whedon being butthurt that Spike is more popular with fangirls than Xander, supposingly he actually b***hed at James Marsters about it.
>what about Sam
Pftttfffftt
>I think the point is that it's no worse than what D&D wrote.
This I agree with
>And actually makes narrative sense.
I don't agree with beyond a very very surface level of the character, beyond him being called Kingslayer and then he kills the ultimate king!?!?!??!?! It has nothing to do with who Jaime is or what he struggles with in his story.
I don't think the idea of George being a subversive mastermind is actually shown in his books and is more of a carry over from The Last Jedi bashing, where subversions became a really easy fallback insult.
George's heroes act like heroes, they just don't always succeed at it. Different from unlikely bastards have heroic tendencies.
Just because I love talking GoT lore, Clegane is a "1st generation" knight and his father is an upjumped kennel master who would absolutely be looked down by more seasons families, and the whole my brother was made a knight for being brutal not for being chivalrous, explains his contempt for knights.
I know this is a long long long reach but in this book Flight To Canada I read for uni the older generation embraced Arthurian lore and were basically LARPing as them, down to naming their plantation Camelot, however the people who embodied the actual morals of King Arthur were the "lesser" people. That was a subversion.
That's the Sandor Clegane character to a T
>I don't agree with beyond a very very surface level of the character
Yeah I agree with you, I just think the copypasta is funny and/or cool. I was just illustrating that it maybe makes at least a *little* bit more sense than Arya doing it, no? Again, to me it's not worse than what we ACTUALLY got. Killing a king (Aerys) to save innocents but really for his own self aggrandizement (sitting on the throne afterward), vs killing a "king" to save innocents after his journey has humbled him. vs "Yooooo she jumped and did the knife trick she did on Breanne!"
And yeah, I don't think George is especially subversive - OR subtle (R+L = J was not a hard conclusion to reach, and should not have been the only criteria to prove respect for the story) however subversion is present in his stories and characters, but the catharsis of your typical, albeit somewhat roundabout way of arriving at a satisfying conclusion to those stories and characters is still needed, and in the unfinished books and disappointing show, is left wanting.
Don't actually have anything to add because we are just agreeing with eachother here, but thanks anon I love talking the lore and stories from GoT.
A lot of people were satisfied with Arya killing the Night's King. Most of my facebook normie friends were still very much happy with that ending and at most felt it was rushed. People didn't turn on the show until they realized Varys, Sansa and everyone else they liked was turning on their beloved Daenerys for no good reason. And that is the bigger issue. Dany was never given a proper villain arc. Most of the evil things she ever did, like burning evil tyrants without any mercy or remorse, were things all the normies loved. People never understood why suddenly she becomes a villain.
Presumably the books will just do a better job with that arc, as there are a lot of things hinting at the fact Westeros won't be fond of Daenerys and see her as the villain: most of her army is made of people who are hated in Westeros and become more hated by the day, Aegon is being set up as a beloved figure embraced by the Church, misoginy and xenophobia are much bigger issues in the books, etc. If Dany is, for example, the one to kill the High Septon because he denounces her as a monstruous product of incest that has practiced witchcraft, consorted outside marriage with multiple men, leads an army of non-faithful, etc. then it will probably make a lot more sense why Jon, Tyrion, and anyone remotely "good" on her side decides to betray her.
Also, I really question how anyone sees Jon as someone deserving to be a King. He has rejected responsibility over and over and usually is basically forced into the next position of power by sheer luck and his desire to be able to get the greatest good for everyone. But the whole point of aGoT was that that was not the role of a King in Westeros. So Jon ditching the throne if he finds someone better suited for the role, would make sense for his character. Especially when he has ZERO bonds with any character south of the Riverlands.
Jon choosing to be the King in the North or the King Beyond the Wall could make sense.
The books do a much better job handling a possible heel turn just because we get to see all the difference scenes shown in the show along with her internal monologue about how she actually feels about it.
"The king of the rabbits must wear his floppy crown" shows both her contempt for being forced to adapt to the kingdom she chose to take AND her annoyance in having to actually govern. The show also doesn't show, as far as I can remember, some of her truly brutal acts. We don't get the scene where after she has crucified all the slavemasters to make up for the slaves they did the same for, and then the son of one of those masters comes and confronts that he was a good man.
In that scene she doesn't accept she fricked up, she shies away and hides from that truth. She is of course fourteen so that actually makes sense she is emotional immature.
Because tv viewers are denied this they get to see all the heroic imagery that Dany invokes but without how she actually processes these events.
it shows both how stupid normies are and how badly d&d underestimated how stupid normies are for playing heroic, triumphant music every time khalisi burned somebody alive or invaded another city and flew off into the sunset on her dragon
i'm almost convinced now that somebody could make a series about jack the ripper and so long as the play grand uplifting music whenever he is on screen, the ignorant masses would see him as the good guy
>i'm almost convinced now that somebody could make a series about jack the ripper and so long as the play grand uplifting music whenever he is on screen
I mean Dexter exists, oh no I'm a serial killer but I only kill bad people and people who are inconvenient to me.
i get what you're saying but think that dexter is more an anti-hero, like tony soprano or walter white
the audience gets a thrill following their hijinks and descent into darkness but is under no illusions that it's a bad guy, whereas dany supporters thought she was the pure queen that was going to save westeros
one of the main complaints about the dexter finale was that the law didn't catch up with him and viewers were basically expecting him to either die or rot in jail
atleast its much better than what we got. I would've prefer Jaime killing Cersei, to protect Brienne, and having Cersei say "old habit of yours isn't it, it's not easy to change"
You were right, it did piss some sperg off. The people who defend the manner in which game of thrones ended are the people who defend Snyder films by claiming those who are critical just don’t get it.
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I never saw a completely happy ending. I saw it heading towards and ending where defeating the white walkers took Jon becoming Azor Ahai and sacrificing his love to be able to defeat them. He then begrudgingly had to accept a throne he didn't want because it was what was best for the people.
Honestly, just about anything would've been better than what we got. Literally no one was left fulfilled with how it ended.
>Would you keep watching if they ended the show properly?
That ship has sailed. Also, bad Dany is good Dany. It's everything else that they fricked up
Their only hope to redeem it is to follow through with the Jon Snow spinoff where they can address the major frickups of the ending
>Sansa abdicating the north/dying and the north making a treaty with the rest of westeros
>the night king that Arya killed not being the actual night king and expanding on that along with the cryptic symbols and basically redoing that entire storyline but good this time
>introducing young Griff
>revisiting the whole Azor Ahai thing
There's enough wasted storylines and cut content from the books to give the spinoff all the material it needs to actually redeem the show. They could even introduce characters like lady Stoneheart if they were feeling particularly bold.
Just keep Arya and Sansa out of it.
What are the chances we get a Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood in the future, where the author finally finishes the book and they go back and make the real ending according to author's plan.
>Give the people what they want
That’s how you get shit like The Rise of Skywalker. The people simply don’t know what they want.
Jaime is alive and kills the real night Queen which was resurrected by Qyburn using Cersei’s body. Jaime and Tyrion bro it up at casterly rock
dying to hear/see more of this place. my headcanon is Rickon is there being treated as a God by the native inhabitants and is going to come back with Davos with a literal army of wildlife and skagossi, and maybe even that wild dragon The Cannibal who has been living there frozen in stone.
It’s the actors I feel sorry for
You can still feel their embarrassment, shame and humiliation caused by two israeli hacks
Sure, considering I kept watching despite seasons 5, 6, 7 and 8 being total garbage. That's how much good will the first 3 seasons had.