>Gladiator (2000). >The Last Samurai (2003). >Troy (2004). >Alexander (2004). >Kingdom of Heaven (2005)

>Gladiator (2000)
>The Last Samurai (2003)
>Troy (2004)
>Alexander (2004)
>Kingdom of Heaven (2005)
>300 (2006)

What caused this brief resurgence of the epic/historical action genre, what caused its abrupt cessation, and are there prospects of its reemergence in the future?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I would also consider Lord of the Rings and Pirates of the Caribbean to be of this ilk

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Completely different they are fantasy but the first two maybe three pirates can barely be kino and lotr is obviously kino.

      https://i.imgur.com/1Nepr9g.jpeg

      >Gladiator (2000)
      >The Last Samurai (2003)
      >Troy (2004)
      >Alexander (2004)
      >Kingdom of Heaven (2005)
      >300 (2006)

      What caused this brief resurgence of the epic/historical action genre, what caused its abrupt cessation, and are there prospects of its reemergence in the future?

      genres come and go, can't wait for the capeshit genre to go and never come back.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      pirates was hollywood's response to success of LOTR

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gladiator caused it. It stopped because most of the other movies were shit, and the genre got stale. You would need another gladiator-level kino, but instead, we will get senile Ridley and black kangs.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      100% agree

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what about braveheart?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that was 5 years before Gladiator

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This, and gladiator was the only one to really make money outside of maybe 300, so they stopped making historical epic kino

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They weren't all bombs, but they were never blockbusters. It's a really risky genre, it seems.

        Gladiator
        >100 budget; 465 gross
        Last Samurai
        >140 budget; 455 gross
        Troy
        >180 budget; 500 gross
        Alexander
        >155 budget; 165 gross (-ACK)
        Kingdom of Heaven
        >130 budget; 220 gross (-EEK)
        300
        >60 budget; 450 gross (nice)

        So it seems that this genre never really cracked into the LOTR/Harry Potter/Pirates of the Caribbean/Superheroes type of franchise echelon.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    90s was kind of a cinematic Renaissance after the Cold War was over. The historical epics were a continuation of this paired with a generation of directors who grew up watching the classic historical epics of cinema being at an age where they could do these epics their way. Decades of work coming together with the right people, the right environment, and the right technology.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I always saw those last three in particular as reflecting the attitudes of the Iraq/Afghan War era. West vs East, Blonde Chads vs Brown Hordes, etc. I don't think it's a coincidence that these narratives disappeared at the moment that the Iraq/Afghan Wars were becoming enormously unpopular.
      I also think
      Might have something to do with it, i.e., the post-Cold War era optimism caused the re-emergence of the genre. But then it was subsumed by the pessimism of the War on Terror era.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I like you were able to associate the times..there was a lot of other stuff pushed out in that time too. Everyone wanted to romanticize the desert warfare and war in general to keep us dying over there. Black Hawk Down, Restrepo, Band of Brothers, The Pacific, literally hundreds of movies with "SOULJARS DOING HIGH SPEED COWADOOBIE SHIT!" Much wartime kino.. but also quite the propaganda

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah a ton of stuff from that era is literal propaganda. Even stuff that is supposed to be anti-war like Generation Kill ends up glorifying the experience of being a soldier (the Pentagon purposely put journalists permanently with units so that they would become sentimental about the soldiers and this would bias their analysis).

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's Dune 3.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              For

              Is this frim dunc?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes and I fell pray to the desert meme and joined the Army in 2011 cause I was a jobless moron after graduating in 2008

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              frick. got any tales?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Many. But to sum it all up.. essentially Generation Kill. Do nothing forever..then shit gets hot. Then...nothing and it meant nothing. Just a bad way to get a check.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I watched one about King Arthur and it was interesting but also cringe because they couldn't help themselves with slipping in feminist bullshit and also they kept doing this really cringe spiny attack in combat scenes. Every time you see it, you just think "ahh stop, just stop doing that, no please just stop"
    Also the pictabú warpaint was too over the top. I don't think the britons did that either, only picts

    You just can't trust these people to make decent films now

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Stephen Dillane is pure kino as Merlin

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This one from 2004? Yeah it really sucked compared with the others in the OP, I watched it the one time in theatres and never again.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I've forgotten about it

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        bro that was shit and proto 'muh strong and independent 70lbs whemen that can kill actual brutal warriors quadruple their size' if I remember correctly

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's the one

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    gladiator was popular so others tried to cash in to the popularity. not much else

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pathfinder and The Last Legion killed it

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's so much ancient kino they could adapt but there's no money it seems.
    >Caesar in Gaul
    >Cyrus and Darius
    >Hannibal
    >Hanno the navigator
    >Brennus invading Greece
    >Marius & Sulla
    >Last days of Assyria

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's paradoxical that now with CGI it is easier than ever to do these big battle scenes and make all these movies and yet, the CGI battle scenes look worse and worse (and darker and darker so you can't even see anything). Just compare the battle scenes of Troy with the much more recent Napoleon. I know I sound like a boomer but there's something amazing about the old movies before CGI that had to assemble and dress every single individual extra. Nevermind comparing Napoleon to Troy, compare it to a movie that came out 50 years earlier. *cracks beer* They just don't make them like this anymore.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Waterloo flopped with 100% real battle scenes.

        the big problem with a Napoleon movie is that Napoloen wasn't psychologically interesting, he was just a regular autistic strongman who benefited from a lot of long-delayed social, legal, scientific and military developments.

        his relationship with Joséphine is the most humanizing thing about him and its still obviously a toxic relationship between two narcissists.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the big problem with a Napoleon movie is that Napoloen wasn't psychologically interesting
          This is a very hot take, but it's not relevant because the Napoleon played by Steiger in the movie *was* psychologically interesting.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >with CGI it is easier than ever to do these big battle scenes
        its because theyre using CGI wrong. instead of enhancing the modern movie, its building the movies supposedly due to cost effectiveness, but i dont buy that excuse

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        my brain disengages whenever I see computer animated battles.
        endgame was the height of that rubbish, just felt like watching someone play a very boring computer game, and eventually just turned into a digital soup with indistinguishable masses mashing together.
        >oh look that bit of carrot just bumped into that half a pea and something flashed a bit
        >oh, now it's happening with lots of bits of carrots and peas, I wonder what the stain on the wall looks like in comparison

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          My issue with Endgame wasn't that it was CGI exactly, but that it was just shit. I mean that literally: it looked like the color of shit. Most Marvel movies look like this, but Endgame was egregious especially since this was supposed to be the 'heckin epicest' fight scene evar. Comic book superheroes are some of the most (literally) colourful characters ever invented, they just pop with the bright colors right off the page. Spider-Verse is a much better depiction of comic book aesthetic, or even (sorry) the Joel Schumacher Batman movies. Even in this scene when there is color its muted and shit. Blech

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks for the reminder gonna watch Julius Caesar (2002) right now!

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ah, it has a blue filter so you know it's historical. Bravo!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are you challenging Sir Ridley?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's to depict a cloudy dark day, usually at dusk. Nothing wrong using a blue filter for that. That's what some days look like in Europe

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ah, it has a blue filter so you know it's historical. Bravo!

      This is fine because it is meant to depict the dark forests of Germany. You notice the contrast when he goes back to Spain and it's full of lush yellows. Germany here is a wild, unknown, untamed land, and further to the North. So the choice of color here is excellent.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        More or less.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Is this frim dunc?

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They made no money. Same with the Russel Crowe boat movie. You can cry all you like but since you didn’t watch it, no point in making it.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In case it wasn't mentioned yet: Spartacus was enjoyable. Came later, but still.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was enjoyable but if we are going to mention a TV show in this breath it really must be HBO's Rome. I still think season 1 of Rome is some of the finest television ever produced.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Never seen it. I'll give it a try.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Oh frick, it's so good. Like, the absolute highest tier of TV-good. They shitcanned it to make Game of Thrones, and I will never forgive them.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Twow him, to the fwoow.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Trivia: That's the only depiction of Pontius Pilatus in media where he's in proper clothing of a governor instead of wearing some random armor.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They needed propaganda to encourage white people to go die for israelites.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hopefully gladiator 2 kicks it all off again

    That napoleon movie was fricking ass

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      who are you kidding, ridley scott hasn't made a good movie in 20 years

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        let's hope he makes a sequel to aliens again, and have the engineers appear but it turns out the engineers were made by jellyfish aliens as an experiment, then the jellyfish alien turns a human into a jellyfish/engineer hybrid, and she becomes pregnant, but then aborts it, but then a zombie comes along and the zombie is a wizard too, and then he magics her uterus into a dollhouse for the jellyfish to play in, but then it turns out the dolls are real and the dolls attack them and one of the dolls rebels against the zombie and tricks the zombie so the zombie flies to the jellyfish planet only to find out it's fake and made of papier mache, so the zombie uses a 3d printer to make the jellyfish home planet real and then just when the jellyfish/engineer pregnant hybrid girl thinks she's safe a big wheel of papier mache cheese rolls behind her and squashes her.
        something like that

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What caused this brief resurgence of the epic/historical action genre
    Gladiator (2000)
    >what caused its abrupt cessation
    capeshit

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The first season of Barbarians was kino. The second one was pure shit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its amazing how shows now fizzle out after a season of kino only to turn into white dog shit the next

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        white dog shit is calcium rich and exceedingly rare these days
        one might say, a delicacy

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Checked and youre right. Id rather eat white dog shit than watch some trash put out now

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            maybe we'll become completely disinterested in all film/tv and reach a higher plane

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The timeline of those movies has me thinking, because as the genre peters off it dovetails with the emergence of (and I use this term advisedly) the 'golden age of television'. It's not like interest in historical, or even epic, subject matter disappeared: it simply migrated to the living room.

    I will now list a bunch of shows off the top of my head that fit the description:
    >Rome
    >Spartacus
    >John Adams
    >Black Sails
    >Vikings
    >Barbarians
    >Marco Polo
    And someone mentioned Lord of the Rings as an essential epic, well it could be seen to be succeeded by
    >Game of Thrones
    And in the very present we have a reboot of
    >Shogun

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