Among the five highest grossing movie this summer in north america three are straight up woke (Barbie, ATSV, TLM) and one of the remaining two had "woke element" (race swap of the master of evolution in GOTG3).
Why does Cinemaphile keep on insisting on this false premise when it has been proven wrong again and again? Meanwhile MI is bombing harder than any of those.
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Barbie = Huge hit
SpiderVerse 2 = Hit domestically in the US but it underperformed outside the US. Its total box office will be around $700M
Guardians 3 = It performed to expectations for a Marvel movie
Oppenheimer =
The Little Mermaid = Performed good in the US but flopped outside the US (notice a pattern?) This will lose Disney alot of $$$.
>The Little Mermaid = Performed good in the US but flopped outside the US (notice a pattern?) This will lose Disney alot of $$$.
It won't as studios get a higher share domestically, this is also why Spiderverse despite its lower international gross will be about as profitable as GOTG3 to disney.
For tlm
https://deadline.com/2023/05/little-mermaid-box-office-profit-loss-halle-bailey-1235383099/
You need to read reread my post, not once did I say Opp was woke. In fact it was the one I excluded.
>You need to read reread my post, not once did I say Opp was woke
my bad, anon. Carry on with your gay little woke thread.
I mean… you could argue treating scientists like that is a systematic injustice, so pointing it out is very woke
Forgot spiderverse wasn't disney, but you get my point.
>Performed good in the US but flopped outside the US
China is circling the drain. The government is starting to poomp taxpayer monies into the real estate Ponzi that underpins their entire economy, but no one is buying into it because they were never able to completely control access to reporting.
Within 10 years it'll be Mao's chaos all over again, unless they distract everyone by invading Russia.
You glowBlack folk have saying China is gonna collapse "any time soon" since the early 2000s. You are just like those "two more weeks" gays.
except chinas population is now going down and their imports/exports are collapsing. this was all predicted ages ago and is now happening. demographics are destiny
Yeah yeah, this decade for sure.
China is literally a paper dragon. Look how they construct their fricking buildings.
You win Most Naive Comment of the Day anon. Congratulations.
>Doesn't count Merchandise, streaming value and Rentals in 2023
You lost, Chud.
>le special pleading
It is you whomst is on the wrong side of history, xir.
America has Black folk and the rest of the developed world has Black person fatigue.
What the fricking hell makes Oppenheimer "woke"? Please explain. Remember to be specific.
Guardians are woke too.
It's 4/5
It's because Americans are moronic.
For these 5 hits theres 15 flops.
The Last Voyage of Demeter - long awaited Dracula based story about his sail boat trip, just floped because they decided to put racist theme and cast a black guy in story nobody wanted to see black in.
People wanted to see Dracula killing shipmen crew. No watch black doctor crying over racis with Dracula in the background.
>The Last Voyage of Demeter - long awaited Dracula based story about his sail boat trip, just floped because they decided to put racist theme and cast a black guy in story nobody wanted to see black in.
Stop making shit up for frick sake, Reinfield was a few month ago and by all account will remain the biggest bomb of a dracula adaptation this year, by the same fricking studio.
Demeter is a similar flop. Renfield had 10 mil opening, Demeter is tracking 6 m now. Both will be equal flops.
The short bit of CGI in the trailer alone was enough to make most people NOPE Demeter. It looks like an original SyFy movie.
Reinfield had 8M domestic opening, Demeter is tracking to 6.5, with a budget about 30% lower. We'll see it's going to be actually close.
So then randomly bringing up the black guy in Demeter is irrelevant. We've reached true equality when both a shitty white led Dracula movie can suck just as much as a black led one.
>watch black doctor crying over racis with Dracula in the background.
Lmfao
Nobody wants Dracula period. Maybe Eggers Nosferatu will change that, but I doubt it. Nobody gives a frick about vampires. I unironically believe a life-force remake would have a better shot than anything truly vampire/Dracula related.
It's not really a novel that begs for yet another adaptation, without some fresh new angle and a big star bolstering it.
Nosferatu has Lily Rose Depp as it's lead. It's already tanked.
>Lily deep wiener
>star
that's flopping because it has zero marketing not because it has black people in it
>long awaited
I only know that movie exists because I read that it flopped. I saw no advertising for it.
>In North America
There's your answer. Americans worship blacks
false premise? so just because 5 movies didn't fail suddenly it means other wokeshit didn't fail? plus the budget for MI5 accounted for two movies, the second one will cross much higher because of this
Very impressive cope. homosexual.
Is it really a cope though
>so just because 5 movies didn't fail suddenly it means other wokeshit didn't fail?
No it means the go woke go broke mantra is shit. Making a movie woke isn't making it fail.
>plus the budget for MI5 accounted for two movies, the second one will cross much higher because of this
Lmao at this cope, it included only the first, the second isn't even finish filming yet.
Lily Rose lifeforce remake sounds great. Naked vampire alien.
It was always a stupid idea. Modern culture is pozzed to shit; of course its movies are going to reflect that. Disney's only struggling because they went full moron with stuff like black Ariel and the non-dwarf dwaves.
Your demoralization is low quality
*Hollywood puts Woke in Established super popular kid's franchises
How many new original woke shit is popular again?
Jordan peele's works are quit popular. But in general etablished ips are the money maker in hollywood. Woke or not.
>Jordan peele's works are quit popular
only in the US domestically
All mid budget movie are domestic heavy, imget out made 80M oversea on a sub 5M budget which is huge.
Low* budget
Fast and Furious lost? Transformers lost? Tom Cruise was dumb and didn't push his movie up or down. Coulda been a hit.
Fast x bombed in the us. Fricking sound of freedom is making more money.
Same for transformers and MI7.
Who gives a shit? Like honestly if you care about the profits a movie makes why? Seems pretty pathetic to me. I just watch what I want to lol
>it's not literally every movie, that means it isn't true at all
majority of woke trash flops and you know it
Now do the last ten years.
The only true success in your pic is barbie. The little mermaid was a flop and spider verse is only succesful because it was cheap to make, it's actual box office is nothing special and is the second worse performing spider-man movie. It coudn't even beat those andrew garfield movies
>those andrew garfield movies
wait was there more than one? i only remember the one with jamie fox as the electric incel
ATSV even with the same budget as GOTG3 it would have made money, you guy are pathetic.
It means progressivism. You don't get the redefine the word half way through when half the people understand it that way. Like what's the point. Everyone understand what it means.
>woketards still pretend TLM wasn't a massive failure that didn't even break even let alone be a billion dollar hit like yidney and woketards obviously expected
It broke even, what's the point on lying on something we can all check?
https://deadline.com/2023/05/little-mermaid-box-office-profit-loss-halle-bailey-1235383099/
>In a break-even scenario off a $560M global box office (meaning a net profit of $71M before participations and residuals are accounted for), we’re told that Little Mermaid‘s global film revenues would amount to $547M against its combined production, global theatrical and home entertainment marketing expenses of $476M.
That article is months old. The problem is that the longer a movie's in theatres, the larger the cut goes back to the chains. This movie only just crawled to $566 million. The equation they used back in May probably doesn't apply anymore.
Never mind the fact that Disney does not make $250 million movies hoping they just break even. They're even doing an animated series tied to this movie - something none of the other remakes got. They clearly went in expecting it do a lot better than it did. Adjusted for inflation, it did worse than Cinderella's remake, despite that having a much smaller budget.
>That article is months old. The problem is that the longer a movie's in theatres, the larger the cut goes back to the chains. This movie only just crawled to $566 million. The equation they used back in May probably doesn't apply anymore.
Those are projections based on its opening, of course they knew it wasn't going to do that on the first month, it's pretty much what the article states.
>Never mind the fact that Disney does not make $250 million movies hoping they just break even. They're even doing an animated series tied to this movie - something none of the other remakes got. They clearly went in expecting it do a lot better than it did. Adjusted for inflation, it did worse than Cinderella's remake, despite that having a much smaller budget.
Yeah it's a disapointement, bnut not a disaster, an actual disaster would have not warranted the animation Indy also had a similar project, it got scrapped since it was an actual disaster.
It wasn't a disaster, but I wouldn't say it's a counterpoint to "go woke, go broke" because it was close to being one. It was clearly a bad decision to racebend Ariel as that did cost them money, especially internationally.
They had promotional images ready for The Little Mermaid series a week or two after the movie's release. It's too far along to cancel and doing now would just give them negative publicity. Disney never announced an animated Indy show and LucasFilm shit gets canned all the time.
Even assuming the race swapping had a cost it was minimal, given the performances of other nostalgia bait in asia it couldn't have done much better.
Indy and Flash heavily relied on nostalgia, they were disasters. Indy actually made less than fricking TLM in China.
In the us it's the opposite the movie overperfomed BECAUSE of the raceswapp, in all states with heavy black population the bo overindexxed and why they went seeing it is obvious.
If we assume the cost is marginal, it's actually a counter to the go woke go broke narrative, because for it to work the cost has to be maximal, no one is going to make deep political choices in the hope of maybe making 2 to 3% more at the box office it's ridiculous.
And people repeating this shit do not hide that what they mean is an actual disaster.
How dishonest are you that you're comparing TLM to The Flash and Indiana Jones? Do either of those properties have a history in Asia? There are literally a decade+ of live-action Disney remakes to compare it to.
Cinderella (2015)
China - $71,570,000
Japan - $47,180,932
South Korea - $5,064,161
Total: $123 million
Beauty and the Beast (2017)
China: $85,763,002
Japan: $110,790,534
South Korea: $37,583,870
Total: $234 million
The Little Mermaid (2023)
China: $2,509,510
Japan: $23,265,416
South Korea: $5,061,735
Total: $30 million
Those are all unadjusted figures.
People were more nostalgic for a remake of a then 65-year-old movie than they were for a 35-year-old one? Please. America's Black worship might've helped it domestically, but it did the opposite internationally.
First every hollywood underprformed in asia since the pandemic, here a random marvel movie.
Ant man and the wasp (2018)
China 121M
Japan 11M
SK 42M
Quantumania (2023)
China 39M
Japan 7M
SK 12M
>Do either of those properties have a history in Asia?
TFA has no history in Asia, yet it did 121M in China and almost 100 in Japan.
TLM also has no hsitory in asia, aside from Japan, and it was never as big of a success as Aladdin, TLK or BaTB. Look at the grosses of the original movie, thinking TLM could make as much as a remake is delusional.
Trying to adjust for inflation is unfair as ticket sales has been constantly dropping since the 2000s in parallel to the rise in tickets price. Theatre going isn't as big as it used to.
There is plenty of proof TLM underperform in Asia because of the race swap, IN PART, there is also plenty of evidence it would NEVER have grossed as much as other remakes.
What does a poorly received MCU movie have to do with TLM? Antman 3 flopped everywhere. Guardians of the Galaxy 3 was up in South Korea, flat in Japan, and down in China (though it held better than most recent MCU sequels there) versus the prior entry (unadjusted). It's also irrelevant to The Little Mermaid.
If TFA stands for The Force Awakens, there's little reason to argue with someone trying to claim Star Wars had no nostalgic appeal in Japan. The original movies were very influential there, with the prequel trilogy putting up big numbers. Star Wars had a much more successful shelf-life in the public zeitgeist than Indiana and that rubs off on international markets.
The international boxoffice reports for pre-'00s movies are really sketchy. BOM doesn't even have a detailed breakdown of the original Little Mermaid's. That movie's impact isn't necessarily just from that original theatrical run. It was Disney's "return to form" that brought its name back into the spotlight and was popular on home video. Ariel became one of the core Disney Princesses, which is why it had a TV show and DTV sequels. I don't think it's that big of a stretch to think TLM should've done better than Cinderella. Disney wouldn't have given it a budget multiple times that if they figured it would do worse. Instead, in the Asian countries that usually eat up the remakes, it's closer to fricking Dumbo ...
Dumbo (2019)
China: $21,889,698
Japan: $8,963,442
South Korea: $2,449,705
>If TFA stands for The Force Awakens, there's little reason to argue with someone trying to claim Star Wars had no nostalgic appeal in Japan.
Had more CHina in made when I made this argument, if people went to see it it wasn't much because of a non existent nostalgia but because it was a big action movie.
For China it will be easy to rpove how Hollywood movies are underprforming:
-Fast X did half what fast 9 did
-ROTB did half what bumblebee did
-Avatar 2 did marginally improve but that was from a movie released in 2008 when the chinese market wasn't as big
-MEG still runnin but it could be one of the few exception, but it has some thing like heavy marketing toward china going for it
-MI7 will make a third what MI6 did
-Barbie and Mario despite being international hit will make nothing there
Can't be bothered to do the same for SK and Japan but the landscape is similar, hollywood movies underperform because local competition is getting more fierce.
>The international boxoffice reports for pre-'00s movies are really sketchy. BOM doesn't even have a detailed breakdown of the original Little Mermaid's. That movie's impact isn't necessarily just from that original theatrical run. It was Disney's "return to form" that brought its name back into the spotlight and was popular on home video. Ariel became one of the core Disney Princesses, which is why it had a TV show and DTV sequels. I don't think it's that big of a stretch to think TLM should've done better than Cinderella
If you can't prove it then it is not a thing.
>Disney wouldn't have given it a budget multiple times that if they figured it would do worse.
It actually did better and they did think it would do way better, which was reasonable given how little cindrella did back then. What was unreasonable was thinking TLM would make more than Aladdin or Beauty and the beast.
>It actually did better and they did think it would do way better, which was reasonable given how little cindrella did back then. What was unreasonable was thinking TLM would make more than Aladdin or Beauty and the beast.
Forget this point I forgot it was contained to east asia. If so I don't argue it should have done better there.
But the argument isn't what the other live action made there, but the size of the outrage.
“Woke” means brown people and gay people existing. That’s really it.
I have more respect for the blatant /misc/ Nazis than the cowards pretending like they don’t hate people different from them
Little Mermaid bombed.
Oppenheimer is about killing Nazis, National Socialists, the WORKERS party. You know, the vegans who believe in strong gun control and confiscating inherited wealth? Killing Nazis is anti-woke lol.
GotG had a raceswapped villain, yes, but the character was meant to be completely hated and despised and otherwise had no remotely political elements. We can keep doing this every fricking day homosexual. You spam this shit, and I'll remind you of the thousands of other woke flops you're ignoring failing lololololololol.
>Marvel had to buy out theatres
define "woke"
She won. Apologize already.
None of those are really woke though they are just normie films with panderic that they had to hide in all the marketing.
They don't insist on this. A select tew morons did and they're morons like you. Just another barbie shill thread. Still not going to watch it.
>OP has to pretend Little Mermaid did well for his point to stand
kek
>moron has to make strawman to reply
Everytime
>Still crying
Literally every girl I know has as a Little Mermaid merchandise.
>M-muh merch
Disney shill please
>ONLY THE BOX OFFICE MATTERS IT NEEDS TO MAKE 900 MILLION OR IT'S A FLOP!!!
Cry Chud.
Shhhh It's ok disney shill it flopped
Have sex Chud. Halle won and is a national icon now.
!remindme 5 years who died of overdose today
Have a updoot
Go buy some mattel stock and rose tico dolls if you’re so confident in merch shill.
Barbie is a white blonde with a white male co-protag and with "woke" elements we already knew: Barbie is a girlboss but does give Ken a character
SpiderBlack person is woke yeah but didn't raceswap Peter
Guardians has a literal heaven scene and Black villian who dies brutally
Oppenheimer is not woke
The little nigglet broke even but it's faar from the 1b hollywood was predicting.
>Barbie is a white blonde with a white male co-protag and with "woke" elements we already knew: Barbie is a girlboss but does give Ken a character
It's woke because it has obvious political points it tries to get to the audience. The difference with Barbie is that the pandepring has NEVER been this blatant. The thing looks like those twitter thread stretched to two hours.
Sure now some morons are trying to pretend like ACHtually woke just means racism, which is just false, ghostbuster 2016 was the genesis of all this woke backlash, and it was because of the feminist messaging.
>SpiderBlack person is woke yeah but didn't raceswap Peter
Technical point, but even assuming it's not enough to make it woke this ihas to be one of the least woke aspect fo the movie.
The whole thing is an allegory to the racist backlash behind Miles Morales becoming spiderman. It has trans inclusion messaging and a fricking pregnant spider woman as well as every fricking races as the guy.
>Guardians has a literal heaven scene and Black villian who dies brutally
A Black that was raceswapped. Honestly it's far from the wokest movie it just had this one woke element. COuld arguably include the fact that the movie pretty much says genetic doesn't determine anything, socoeties do, which runs counter to the point of view on the right.
>Oppenheimer is not woke
Which is what I said, read before replying for frick sake.
>It's woke because it has obvious political points it tries to get to the audience. The difference with Barbie is that the pandepring has NEVER been this blatant. The thing looks like those twitter thread stretched to two hours.
I agree the whole MUH PATRIARCHY was annoying. But then movie kind of redeems itself at the end with barbie realizing it was not okay to sideline ken and their matriarchy was toxic and then trying to make it equal.Twitter would never do that. Also barbie deciding to be a Real woman and staying in the real world was funny
Barbie actually succeeded because of the anti-woke Ken protagonist storyline.
He’s the little zoomer who reached too close to the sun.
Barbie's audience is 70% female, which has almost enver been seen for such a movie (except maybe frozen) those women don't go in theatres to see the incel self insert.
GET woke go broke you fricking tiktoker.
That mermaid movie came out?
I'm so sorry you have brain damage.
>Among the five highest grossing movie this summer in north america three are straight up woke (Barbie, ATSV, TLM)
TLM bombed.
>and one of the remaining two had "woke element" (race swap of the master of evolution in GOTG3).
Nobody gives a shit about anything GOTG in comic form
Why do leftists always ignore the mountain of woke shit that failed this year and think the shit the managed to succeed proves them right?
barbie isnt work its just a movie for women. barbie is still white, beautiful, in shape, etc.
woke barbie would have been a fat black lesbian barbie for no reason and a black female ken lover also. like little mermaid which was a bomb.
trying to change the definition of woke half way through is frankly pathetic, Ghostbuster was prime woke, it was because of the feminist messaging.
Everybody understand that Barbie is woke, what's the point of this stupid retcon?
thats my post and my definition.
Fine, it was my counter, you reply on a public forum, don't get shocked when people reply back.
its funny how much nicer your 2nd reply is.
have a good day.
>We're in august
>Only 5 movies
>Little Mermaid
>Only 4 movies
The state of american cinema
Sumlmer is pretty much over, aside from Blue beetle (which we can safely dismiss) no other release will make it to the top 5.
Don't forget the Mario movie was also woke
The fact Barbie had to hide its political leanings until release and that everyone involved won't say it's a feminist movie despite obviously being one is a huge indicator that wokeness is associated with failure. A year ago they would have shouted from the roofs about its message but now they're terrified of people associating them with wokeness.
Blacked Mermaid is also a failure no matter how much cope you inject in your veins.
>has spammed the board for several months now
Jesus op you are such a goddamn homosexual holy frick